Power outage - what to do?

[Jürgen Exner]

We just had a power outage. Happens every now and then, mostly just for a
few minutes.

But this time the power wasn't back up even after 3 hours and I decided that
I had to to something for my fish live support system (aka filter and air
pump).
Ran a cable to the garage and hooked up the canister filter and air pump to
an inverter which in turn is hooked up to the car battery. Together they are
drawing under 25W, so I figured at least for a few hours I should be fine.
Lucky the power came back just a few minutes later.

Question: what do other people do? Do you have an emergency plan for your
loved ones? Did you have to put it to the test and how did it work for you?

jue

[fish lover]

Buy a cheap UPS for computers, which mostly rated for 400W for about
20 to 30 minutes, that should last about 5 to 8 hours for your 30W
filter. Don't hook up the lights. No point of wasting there.

>We just had a power outage. Happens every now and then, mostly just for a
>few minutes.
>
>But this time the power wasn't back up even after 3 hours and I decided that
>I had to to something for my fish live support system (aka filter and air
>pump).
>Ran a cable to the garage and hooked up the canister filter and air pump to
>an inverter which in turn is hooked up to the car battery. Together they are
>drawing under 25W, so I figured at least for a few hours I should be fine.
>Lucky the power came back just a few minutes later.
>
>Question: what do other people do? Do you have an emergency plan for your
>loved ones? Did you have to put it to the test and how did it work for you?
>
>jue
>

[Koi-Lo]

"Jürgen Exner" > wrote in message
news:lr0Ff.458$Gg1.32@trnddc03...
> We just had a power outage. Happens every now and then, mostly just for a
> few minutes.
>
> But this time the power wasn't back up even after 3 hours and I decided
> that I had to to something for my fish live support system (aka filter and
> air pump).
> Ran a cable to the garage and hooked up the canister filter and air pump
> to an inverter which in turn is hooked up to the car battery. Together
> they are drawing under 25W, so I figured at least for a few hours I should
> be fine. Lucky the power came back just a few minutes later.
>
> Question: what do other people do? Do you have an emergency plan for your
> loved ones? Did you have to put it to the test and how did it work for
> you?
=======================
All we have are a few battery powered aerators. We seldom lose power here
for more than 30 minutes. We never lost any fish because of outages - yet!
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Mr. Gardener]

On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:34:04 -0500, fish lover >
wrote:

>Buy a cheap UPS for computers, which mostly rated for 400W for about
>20 to 30 minutes, that should last about 5 to 8 hours for your 30W
>filter. Don't hook up the lights. No point of wasting there.
>
>>We just had a power outage. Happens every now and then, mostly just for a
>>few minutes.
>>
>>But this time the power wasn't back up even after 3 hours and I decided that
>>I had to to something for my fish live support system (aka filter and air
>>pump).
>>Ran a cable to the garage and hooked up the canister filter and air pump to
>>an inverter which in turn is hooked up to the car battery. Together they are
>>drawing under 25W, so I figured at least for a few hours I should be fine.
>>Lucky the power came back just a few minutes later.
>>
>>Question: what do other people do? Do you have an emergency plan for your
>>loved ones? Did you have to put it to the test and how did it work for you?
>>
>>jue
>>

We lived through an ice storm here in Maine a few years back that
knocked out our power for more than a week. Many areas of the state
were out for much longer. I had 5 or 6 good sized tanks going at the
time, 15-55 gallons, along with numerous 5 gallon fry tanks. We burn
wood for our heat, so that wasn't a big problem. The temperature in
the tanks dropped to around 60 overnight a couple of times, but mostly
we were able to keep them around 70. Our water is supplied by the
town, so we didn't have to worry about an electric well pump. I did
partial water changes about every other day and simply dragged my hand
through the tank water in each tank every hour or two to get some
surface movement going, to encourage oxygen exchange. I ignored the
small fry tanks, we lost them all. I'm glad you brought this up,
becasue as I am beginning to get all of my tanks up and running again,
I need to buy a few battery operated air pumps. We lost zero fish
during the week without power. My lfs guy is a personal friend, his
place is just up the road. He took similar action, using a generator
and kerosun heaters to provide some warmth to his store and did a
whole lot of water changes. He kept his fish rooms darkened in hopes
of decreasing activity and easing metabolic energy among his fish. He
lost all of his marine tanks, but managed to get most of his fresh
water tanks through the week.

Mr Gardener

[Richard Sexton]

I use a computer UPS to protect things. The battery died and it was $100 for
a new one. Turns out mine uses a chair-lift battery. Go to any good medical
supply hous e and they should have them in stock. I found one for $40 locally.

It's a small UPS. I have another in the barn with some Sun servers that takes
two poeple to lift and requires a 30 amp circuit. It'll run the whole house
for about a day. Massive big mother batteries in that thing.

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633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net

[sew crazy]

i made a conversion and used a copmuter UPS for my Main components (2 pumps
and one heater) the rest can "restart" without that much influence on the
system ...
never tested it for full duration but did manage to get 5 hours out of the
ups b4 the power came back on ....


"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jürgen Exner" > wrote in message
> news:lr0Ff.458$Gg1.32@trnddc03...
>> We just had a power outage. Happens every now and then, mostly just for a
>> few minutes.
>>
>> But this time the power wasn't back up even after 3 hours and I decided
>> that I had to to something for my fish live support system (aka filter
>> and air pump).
>> Ran a cable to the garage and hooked up the canister filter and air pump
>> to an inverter which in turn is hooked up to the car battery. Together
>> they are drawing under 25W, so I figured at least for a few hours I
>> should be fine. Lucky the power came back just a few minutes later.
>>
>> Question: what do other people do? Do you have an emergency plan for your
>> loved ones? Did you have to put it to the test and how did it work for
>> you?
> =======================
> All we have are a few battery powered aerators. We seldom lose power here
> for more than 30 minutes. We never lost any fish because of outages -
> yet!
> --
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> Aquariums since 1952
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
>
>

[Koi-Lo]

"sew crazy" > wrote in message
...
>i made a conversion and used a copmuter UPS for my Main components (2 pumps
>and one heater) the rest can "restart" without that much influence on the
>system ...
> never tested it for full duration but did manage to get 5 hours out of the
> ups b4 the power came back on ....
======================
If power outages ever became a serious problem here I would have to take
that route as well. The worst outage I can remember was for half a day in
summer. My main concern were my pond fish, large koi and GF who could
suffocate in calm warm waters. They came through it fine, not one was lost.
The indoor fish were also fine in the cooler water.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Troll Information:
http://tinyurl.com/9zbh
http://tinyurl.com/d8e4
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[Mr. Gardener]

On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:31:31 -0600, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:

>
>"sew crazy" > wrote in message
...
>>i made a conversion and used a copmuter UPS for my Main components (2 pumps
>>and one heater) the rest can "restart" without that much influence on the
>>system ...
>> never tested it for full duration but did manage to get 5 hours out of the
>> ups b4 the power came back on ....
>======================
>If power outages ever became a serious problem here I would have to take
>that route as well. The worst outage I can remember was for half a day in
>summer. My main concern were my pond fish, large koi and GF who could
>suffocate in calm warm waters. They came through it fine, not one was lost.
>The indoor fish were also fine in the cooler water.

Would it be the heat or the stillness of the water that would do them
in? Can't they aerate the water enough just be swimming around and
around? Interesting. I think I'm learning something.

Mr Gardener

[Koi-Lo]

"Mr. Gardener" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:31:31 -0600, "Koi-Lo" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"sew crazy" > wrote in message
...
>>>i made a conversion and used a copmuter UPS for my Main components (2
>>>pumps
>>>and one heater) the rest can "restart" without that much influence on the
>>>system ...
>>> never tested it for full duration but did manage to get 5 hours out of
>>> the
>>> ups b4 the power came back on ....
>>======================
>>If power outages ever became a serious problem here I would have to take
>>that route as well. The worst outage I can remember was for half a day in
>>summer. My main concern were my pond fish, large koi and GF who could
>>suffocate in calm warm waters. They came through it fine, not one was
>>lost.
>>The indoor fish were also fine in the cooler water.
=============================================
> Would it be the heat or the stillness of the water that would do them
> in?

Both, since warm water holds less oxygen at a time the fish are most active
and using the most oxygen. Keeping the water moving and running through the
filters keeps it aerated and prevents suffocation. Also in daylight the
algae in the water adds oxygen - but that reverses at night. Fortunately
this blackout happened during the daylight hours.

Can't they aerate the water enough just be swimming around and
> around? Interesting. I think I'm learning something.

No. The surface must be roiled in some way so there's an exchange of
gasses where the air meets the water's surface. Our pump draws the water
from near the bottom and carries it up to the filter where it splashes onto
filter material then down through bio-blocks and back out into the pond,
about a foot above the surface. Some is diverted to a plant filled settling
tank. The overflow splashes back into the pond. So the water is moved
constantly, aerating it and filtering it 24/7.

--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Troll Information:
http://tinyurl.com/9zbh
http://tinyurl.com/d8e4
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[ReelMcKoi]

Koi-Lo wrote:
> =============================================
> > Would it be the heat or the stillness of the water that would do them
> > in?
>
Koi-Lo Real name is Carolyn Adamo Gulley
3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
Phone 615-459-9345

has been caught in various vicious lies!
Before plaguing The aquarian NG's with her nonsense, she use to plague
the Health NG do a google search on Yarrow / windsong / Carol for more
details.

http://tinyurl.com/99azt
http://tinyurl.com/87ow4
http://tinyurl.com/d6t5m
http://tinyurl.com/aheek
http://tinyurl.com/ck97r
http://tinyurl.com/cm3dp
http://tinyurl.com/8bscg
http://tinyurl.com/7epdg
http://tinyurl.com/bya3z
When she is best by a man she accuse him of stalking

http://tinyurl.com/8wryt

She engages people in senseless debates about absolutely nothing.
Her intent on the aquarian groups is to pretend she an expert on all
types of fish and aquarian issues.

Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one.
_Where does she get her information?
_Can her information be verified?
_Is the information up to date?
_What is the purpose of her post? To present reliable facts about JW's
or sling mud on a religious organization in good standing in almost
every country in the world?

Ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your
conversation with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time and
bandwidth on discussing subjects based on fraudulent and fabricated
information. This is how she manipulates clueless bystanders in
participating with her distributing false information elsewhere?

Facts about Carol:

*She can never present evidence.
*She never reveals the source of her info (because there is none).
*She always hides her identity. And change her header to avoid
killfiles. A TOS offense
*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail
addresses
;which her ISP allows her to do. Just ask them:



If your newsgroups has been victim of Carol's MCP and ECP; you can
report her. Her account is dpc6682112001.direcpc.com and you may report
her by calling 1-800-DirecPC, by emailing us at
, or by writing to:

DirecPC
Customer Care Center
11717 Exploration Lane
Germantown, MD 20876 USA

Her use of remailers can still be traced to her account.No American ISP
like to be
associated with Hate Speech no matter if Hate speech is protected
under the First. It affects their commercial interest.
Then you can contact your own ISP and have them add them to their
block List Direcpc.com

[Richard Sexton]

In article >,
sew crazy > wrote:
>i made a conversion and used a copmuter UPS for my Main components (2 pumps
>and one heater) the rest can "restart" without that much influence on the
>system ...
>never tested it for full duration but did manage to get 5 hours out of the
>ups b4 the power came back on ....

That's the good news, the bad news is batteries hate being completely discharged
and the more you completely discharge them the shorter their life. If
5 hours offis normal for you area (oh, you live in the country too?) then
you might want to think about a bigger UPS that doesn't drain itself
in the average power-off time period.

--
Need Mercedes parts ? - http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org
1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home page: http://rs79.vrx.net
633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net

[Roy]

And thats the facts Jack!


On 6 Feb 2006 15:29:54 -0800, "ReelMcKoi" >
wrote:
>><>Koi-Lo wrote:
>><>> =============================================
>><>> > Would it be the heat or the stillness of the water that would do them
>><>> > in?
>><>>
>><> Koi-Lo Real name is Carolyn Adamo Gulley
>><>3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
>><>Phone 615-459-9345
>><>
>><>has been caught in various vicious lies!
>><>Before plaguing The aquarian NG's with her nonsense, she use to plague
>><>the Health NG do a google search on Yarrow / windsong / Carol for more
>><>details.
>><>
>><>http://tinyurl.com/99azt
>><>http://tinyurl.com/87ow4
>><>http://tinyurl.com/d6t5m
>><>http://tinyurl.com/aheek
>><>http://tinyurl.com/ck97r
>><>http://tinyurl.com/cm3dp
>><>http://tinyurl.com/8bscg
>><>http://tinyurl.com/7epdg
>><>http://tinyurl.com/bya3z
>><>When she is best by a man she accuse him of stalking
>><>
>><>http://tinyurl.com/8wryt
>><>
>><>She engages people in senseless debates about absolutely nothing.
>><>Her intent on the aquarian groups is to pretend she an expert on all
>><>types of fish and aquarian issues.
>><>
>><>Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one.
>><>_Where does she get her information?
>><>_Can her information be verified?
>><>_Is the information up to date?
>><>_What is the purpose of her post? To present reliable facts about JW's
>><>or sling mud on a religious organization in good standing in almost
>><>every country in the world?
>><>
>><>Ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your
>><>conversation with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time and
>><>bandwidth on discussing subjects based on fraudulent and fabricated
>><>information. This is how she manipulates clueless bystanders in
>><>participating with her distributing false information elsewhere?
>><>
>><>Facts about Carol:
>><>
>><>*She can never present evidence.
>><>*She never reveals the source of her info (because there is none).
>><>*She always hides her identity. And change her header to avoid
>><>killfiles. A TOS offense
>><>*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail
>><>addresses
>><>;which her ISP allows her to do. Just ask them:
>><>
>><>
>><>
>><>If your newsgroups has been victim of Carol's MCP and ECP; you can
>><>report her. Her account is dpc6682112001.direcpc.com and you may report
>><>her by calling 1-800-DirecPC, by emailing us at
, or by writing to:
>><>
>><>DirecPC
>><>Customer Care Center
>><>11717 Exploration Lane
>><>Germantown, MD 20876 USA
>><>
>><>Her use of remailers can still be traced to her account.No American ISP
>><>like to be
>><>associated with Hate Speech no matter if Hate speech is protected
>><>under the First. It affects their commercial interest.
>><>Then you can contact your own ISP and have them add them to their
>><>block List Direcpc.com

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[Jürgen Exner]

ReelMcKoi wrote:
[...]
> has been caught in various vicious lies!
> Before plaguing The aquarian NG's with her nonsense, she use to
[bla-bla-bla snipped]

Apparently you can't just shut up and instead keep inventing new aliases
because everyone plonked your old ones a long time ago?

Well, time to switch you pseudonym again:
*PLONK*


jue