Tail rot question

[Mellie101]

Hi, just when everything seemed to going well with my new hobby, I get
to experience true worry with a fish. Fortunatley, the fish in
question is in a 1 gallon tank awaiting the bigger tank to finish
cycling. So glad that I decided to quarantine him for a couple of
weeks before putting him in my big tank. Anyway, this morning I awoke
to find that my black moor has white 'lumps' on his tail. His tail
does look like it is ragged in a couple of places. I immediatly
dressed and run to petsmart. There are 2 guys there who seem
knowledgable compared to the girls there who don't have a clue.
Anyway, was really relived to see them both there. So it was
reccomended to buy PimaFix. This surprised me as there was a lot more
expensive treatments there and this was one of the cheapest. He said
that he used it and was good and did the same job. So I came home and
gave 'Rodney' his first dose.

I read that you could use Melafix in conjunction with PimaFix so
wandered whether I should use both to increase the odds of treating the
problem. Also, should I do anything with the tank. Once he is 'well'
and the big tank is cycled (which I hope is soon, has already been 3
1/2 weeks) he will go in there and I will tear down the small one and
prepare for a betta.

Any words of wisdom from out there. Broke my heart to see him sick.
His appetite is still good.

Thank you
Mellie

[Mellie101]

Just noticed that he isn't using one of his fins also. His coat looks
more silvery than black too. Have checked water quality and all is
well. Got him from the LFS about 8 days ago. Would salt work,
although I only have iodized so wouldn't be able to get some till the
morning.

Thanks Mellie

[Roy]

If you like to throw money away and tanke your chances go with the
snake oils mela and pima fix. Of course they can be used together,
what do you think the manufacturer is stupid,...they make double the
moiney off yu buying useless snakeoils. Odds are water changes will be
sufficient, and now would be a better chance to use some salt than
snake oils....Odds are it all started with cramped conditions, as 1
gal is pretty darn small and hard to maintain.



On 4 Feb 2006 12:58:25 -0800, "Mellie101" >
wrote:
>><>Hi, just when everything seemed to going well with my new hobby, I get
>><>to experience true worry with a fish. Fortunatley, the fish in
>><>question is in a 1 gallon tank awaiting the bigger tank to finish
>><>cycling. So glad that I decided to quarantine him for a couple of
>><>weeks before putting him in my big tank. Anyway, this morning I awoke
>><>to find that my black moor has white 'lumps' on his tail. His tail
>><>does look like it is ragged in a couple of places. I immediatly
>><>dressed and run to petsmart. There are 2 guys there who seem
>><>knowledgable compared to the girls there who don't have a clue.
>><>Anyway, was really relived to see them both there. So it was
>><>reccomended to buy PimaFix. This surprised me as there was a lot more
>><>expensive treatments there and this was one of the cheapest. He said
>><>that he used it and was good and did the same job. So I came home and
>><>gave 'Rodney' his first dose.
>><>
>><>I read that you could use Melafix in conjunction with PimaFix so
>><>wandered whether I should use both to increase the odds of treating the
>><>problem. Also, should I do anything with the tank. Once he is 'well'
>><>and the big tank is cycled (which I hope is soon, has already been 3
>><>1/2 weeks) he will go in there and I will tear down the small one and
>><>prepare for a betta.
>><>
>><>Any words of wisdom from out there. Broke my heart to see him sick.
>><>His appetite is still good.
>><>
>><>Thank you
>><>Mellie

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[Mellie101]

Thanks. As I said the small tank was only being used as a 'quarantine
tank'. I have a 55g waiting for him. So water changes and salt are
enough to cure fin-rot? The tank is small but cycled and reading are
zero for ammonia and nitrates. As soon as he is well he will have all
the fun of the big tank

Mellie

[Roy]

I can;t say for sure it will be sufficieint to cure the rot, but its
bound to be much better than using snake oils and if the fishes immune
system is good it should heal up just fine.......good water will do
more for that fish than all the mela or pima fix in thw world. Its too
much to repost here, but I did an experiment at the request of a
certain koi forum. The test was controlled and all setups etc were
identical in every way.......I specificaly seached out and bought 200+
fungal ridden fish with tail and mouth rot and all kinds of other
problems.........All these fish were from same tank and were the comon
feeder type of GF. I used malachite green with formalin in one tank,
nothing but good pristine water in another, salt in yet another,
potassium permangante in yet another and of course the Mela Fix snake
oil in another and in the last I used an antibiiotic. Divided up all
the fish and went for the so called recomended treatments. The fish
treated with Potassium Permaganate were the first bunch on the road to
recovery and healed up the quickest, with the shortest amount of time
needed. ONce fungus was cleared n the PP treated fish nothing but
water changes was done to the tank....Antibiotic treated came in
second but took longer to properly run the course of prescribed
antibiotics. Fresh water changes came in next, followed by MG/F
treatment and then salt......Dead last was the mela fix. The mela fix
tank suffered the most casualties overall......All tanks did have
fatalities but the mela was the worst. So based on that simple
experiment water changes with good water is better than mela fix or
pima fix.....It stresses fish by hindering their respiratory actions
as its nothing but DOC laden water........and nothing more thanam
emulsion oil. I was able to clean up all tanks and make thew water
conditins fine with one single dose of PP, but it took multiple doses
of PP until I could even get the mela fix tank within reason.......Of
course I did not use any of those tanks water over again as it was
just a continuation of my experiment, and proved to me mela fix adds
tons of disolved organics to the water as well which do little or
nothing to help a fish. SNAKE OIL! I am not a biologist my any means,
but some of the folks that advised me on how to do a fair and decent
comparison of various treatments were, as well as a chemist and vet.
They all agreed that the test was as close as it needed to be since I
did it two times with 2 different batches of sick feeders and came up
with the same results......and odds are I could do it 3 , 4 or more
times and the results wold be the same.


On 4 Feb 2006 17:33:58 -0800, "Mellie101" >
wrote:
>><>Thanks. As I said the small tank was only being used as a 'quarantine
>><>tank'. I have a 55g waiting for him. So water changes and salt are
>><>enough to cure fin-rot? The tank is small but cycled and reading are
>><>zero for ammonia and nitrates. As soon as he is well he will have all
>><>the fun of the big tank
>><>
>><>Mellie

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[Koi-Lo]

"Mellie101" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hi, just when everything seemed to going well with my new hobby, I get
> to experience true worry with a fish. Fortunatley, the fish in
> question is in a 1 gallon tank awaiting the bigger tank to finish
> cycling. So glad that I decided to quarantine him for a couple of
> weeks before putting him in my big tank. Anyway, this morning I awoke
> to find that my black moor has white 'lumps' on his tail. His tail
> does look like it is ragged in a couple of places. I immediatly
> dressed and run to petsmart. There are 2 guys there who seem
> knowledgable compared to the girls there who don't have a clue.
> Anyway, was really relived to see them both there. So it was
> reccomended to buy PimaFix. This surprised me as there was a lot more
> expensive treatments there and this was one of the cheapest. He said
> that he used it and was good and did the same job. So I came home and
> gave 'Rodney' his first dose.
>
> I read that you could use Melafix in conjunction with PimaFix so
> wandered whether I should use both to increase the odds of treating the
> problem. Also, should I do anything with the tank. Once he is 'well'
> and the big tank is cycled (which I hope is soon, has already been 3
> 1/2 weeks) he will go in there and I will tear down the small one and
> prepare for a betta.
>
> Any words of wisdom from out there. Broke my heart to see him sick.
> His appetite is still good.
=========================
Waxy white lumps could be carp-pox, a virus and non treatable. I'm not sure
what you mean by "lumps." As far as bacterial diseases in fish - the only
product I *SAW* to work miracles is Furicin or Furinace (spelling may be a
bit off). I have literally seen the dead swim in a local large non-pet shop
type store. Along with that they were doing more partial water changes than
usual. These were fish with all kinds of serious problems in salted tanks
that had been neglected. I couldn't believe my eyes. Melafix and PimaFix
are considered pretty worthless. The stores here required to carry the
product don't even recommend it.

BTW, due to constant complaints about the horrid conditions in their pet
dept., that store removed all live pets and fish shortly afterward.

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[Mellie101]

Thanks for the reply. Where do I get PP from? Is my local LFS likely
to carry it or would I be best off going to a pharmacy? I don't
suppose you know the dosage required off the top of you head. I'm
desperate. Have seen a slight improvement tonight. Fin isn't closed
anymore.

The definition I gave is bad. I'm so new to all this that the
terminology hasn't started too well. The white on the tail runs along
and is kind of 'cotton like'. A definition I have read. I really
appreciate the advice and what treatment to use. Its where to find
this that is worrying. I went to the local PetSmart earlier and they
don't carry Bio Spira.

Is there any hope then :-)
So happy that my 3 gold fish are happy in the 55g. Was longing for the
day to introduce 'Rodney' too them.

Thanks so much for you help. Beginners must be sooo frustrating.

Mellie

[Roy]

Usually white cotton like growths is fungus.......PP would clear that
up, however using PP is kind of risky if your not familiar with it.
Lowes sells it in their pond section under a different name on their
products for treating ponds etc, and what that name is I do not
remember, but a check of the labels would reveal it as PP. It will be
straight mix of PP with no added ingredients. You may also find it in
the water softener section of big box stores as its used in water
softeners as well....I woulkd seriously doubt yur pet shop would carry
it....

I would suggest trying to nail down exactly what the problem is, and
the below referenced site has a wealth of info onit in regards to
treating various fish problems. Its the University of Floridas
website. It also has the correct doseage for PP if yu go that
route....

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/
Look for phamphlet numbers:

FACT SHEET
FA-23 Use of PP in fish ponds
FA-027 Use of PP to control external infections of Ornamental fish
FA-29 Introduction to viral diseases of fish
VM-97 Fungal Infections of Fish
FA-37 Use of PP to control external infections of ornamental fish
CIR-920 White spot infections in fish

In the above lfact sheets and circulars yu will find the proper
doseage rates. I suggest making up whats called a stock solution (its
described in those papers) and use the stock solution to treat.

Of ocurse most anyhting is a shotgun approach unless yu actually scope
the fish and know for sure, but the wite cotton description is pretty
well a dead giveaway as to it being fungus related and PP shoulkd fix
that quite readily.

Furanase can be used but its a much longer term treatment, and not any
where near as effective as good water changes and PP treatment.





On 4 Feb 2006 19:31:23 -0800, "Mellie101" >
wrote:
>><>Thanks for the reply. Where do I get PP from? Is my local LFS likely
>><>to carry it or would I be best off going to a pharmacy? I don't
>><>suppose you know the dosage required off the top of you head. I'm
>><>desperate. Have seen a slight improvement tonight. Fin isn't closed
>><>anymore.
>><>
>><>The definition I gave is bad. I'm so new to all this that the
>><>terminology hasn't started too well. The white on the tail runs along
>><>and is kind of 'cotton like'. A definition I have read. I really
>><>appreciate the advice and what treatment to use. Its where to find
>><>this that is worrying. I went to the local PetSmart earlier and they
>><>don't carry Bio Spira.
>><>
>><>Is there any hope then :-)
>><>So happy that my 3 gold fish are happy in the 55g. Was longing for the
>><>day to introduce 'Rodney' too them.
>><>
>><>Thanks so much for you help. Beginners must be sooo frustrating.
>><>
>><>Mellie

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[Roy]

If you go the anitbiotic route you need to know if its a gram negative
or gram positive problem............Tetracycline is for gram
negative,,,,,as is a brand name product called Maracyn Two...
Regular Maracyn is a broad spectrum anti biotic for gram positive
which "most" fungal problems fall under.......(only real way to tell
is to scrape / scope of fish) They make a tri sulfa antibiiotic sold
by the Mardel company which also markets the various maracyn anti
biotics that covers a lot of the most common problems. Maroxy is a
anti fungal solution which is effective on some fugal problems as
well. Go look at any of these treatments and inside the box is a well
written and documentation on fish disease.......bump what you already
know against the chart on the phamplet in the med box and decide from
there, since its more or less a shotgun approach. If you happen to
make the wrong choice you can always go other routes.......As long as
fish is eating your already ahead of the game.

Petco and Petsmart both sell these treatments by Mardel. I think for
a single fish that yur wanting to treat, one of the above wold be the
most practical way if you can narrow down exactly what the symptoms
are. PP is not cheap, neither is the MArdel treatments. Use the
minimum amount of water for the treatement as possible so yu can
stretch the meds further. In other words if doseage is one full tablet
per10 gal, use 5 gal and half a tablet.....

One good thing about PP is its not a medicine, and even if yu treat a
fish with it, and the PP is not the proper cure, it can only improve
conditions for the fish and not cause it any unde harm, if the correct
doseage is used. I use PP as a prophylactic treatment 2x a year in my
ponds.......
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you need to try the tub to tub method. small quarantine tanks just dont work.
dont use melafix, it is a kerosene like substance and harsh on the gills.
what is in pimafix? dont use anything where they dont tell you what are the
ingredients.
come join the puregold GF list, lots of people there to help
Ingrid

"Mellie101" > wrote:

>Hi, just when everything seemed to going well with my new hobby, I get
>to experience true worry with a fish. Fortunatley, the fish in
>question is in a 1 gallon tank awaiting the bigger tank to finish
>cycling. So glad that I decided to quarantine him for a couple of
>weeks before putting him in my big tank. Anyway, this morning I awoke
>to find that my black moor has white 'lumps' on his tail. His tail
>does look like it is ragged in a couple of places. I immediatly
>dressed and run to petsmart. There are 2 guys there who seem
>knowledgable compared to the girls there who don't have a clue.
>Anyway, was really relived to see them both there. So it was
>reccomended to buy PimaFix. This surprised me as there was a lot more
>expensive treatments there and this was one of the cheapest. He said
>that he used it and was good and did the same job. So I came home and
>gave 'Rodney' his first dose.
>
>I read that you could use Melafix in conjunction with PimaFix so
>wandered whether I should use both to increase the odds of treating the
>problem. Also, should I do anything with the tank. Once he is 'well'
>and the big tank is cycled (which I hope is soon, has already been 3
>1/2 weeks) he will go in there and I will tear down the small one and
>prepare for a betta.
>
>Any words of wisdom from out there. Broke my heart to see him sick.
>His appetite is still good.
>
>Thank you
>Mellie



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cottony sounds like either the slime coat is stripping off, or, it is columnaris.
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/disease.htm

"Mellie101" > wrote:

>Thanks for the reply. Where do I get PP from? Is my local LFS likely
>to carry it or would I be best off going to a pharmacy? I don't
>suppose you know the dosage required off the top of you head. I'm
>desperate. Have seen a slight improvement tonight. Fin isn't closed
>anymore.
>
>The definition I gave is bad. I'm so new to all this that the
>terminology hasn't started too well. The white on the tail runs along
>and is kind of 'cotton like'. A definition I have read. I really
>appreciate the advice and what treatment to use. Its where to find
>this that is worrying. I went to the local PetSmart earlier and they
>don't carry Bio Spira.
>
>Is there any hope then :-)
>So happy that my 3 gold fish are happy in the 55g. Was longing for the
>day to introduce 'Rodney' too them.
>
>Thanks so much for you help. Beginners must be sooo frustrating.
>
>Mellie



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[Roy]

Columnaris...is the so called 2nd leading cause of mortaility in pond
fish....such as GF, Koi and game type fish ike catfish and bream etc.
It is most likely in all aquatic environments. Its onset is brought
on most likely by stress, due to low oxygen, high nitrite,
ammonia,high water temps, rough handling, mechanical injury,
overcrowding. It can be occur frequently in closed systems. It can
lead to secondary infections such as winter fungus (saprolegniosis)

The best treatment is the PP and ensuring water quality is all within
the correct parameters. YOu can also buy anitbiotic feed which will
also treat it. Look for feed with terramycin in it. It shoul dbe
available in most any lfs in small packages.....but then again the
feed with antibiotics is only going to be efffective if the fish is
still eating..

Another food with antibiotics is romet-B, but its usually only
available in 50 pound bags and intended mainly for food type fish and
mass feeding in ponds....
]

Keep us informed as to your progress on treatment of the fish.


On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:08:17 GMT, wrote:
>><>cottony sounds like either the slime coat is stripping off, or, it is columnaris.
>><>http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/disease.htm
>><>
>><>"Mellie101" > wrote:
>><>
>><>>Thanks for the reply. Where do I get PP from? Is my local LFS likely
>><>>to carry it or would I be best off going to a pharmacy? I don't
>><>>suppose you know the dosage required off the top of you head. I'm
>><>>desperate. Have seen a slight improvement tonight. Fin isn't closed
>><>>anymore.
>><>>
>><>>The definition I gave is bad. I'm so new to all this that the
>><>>terminology hasn't started too well. The white on the tail runs along
>><>>and is kind of 'cotton like'. A definition I have read. I really
>><>>appreciate the advice and what treatment to use. Its where to find
>><>>this that is worrying. I went to the local PetSmart earlier and they
>><>>don't carry Bio Spira.
>><>>
>><>>Is there any hope then :-)
>><>>So happy that my 3 gold fish are happy in the 55g. Was longing for the
>><>>day to introduce 'Rodney' too them.
>><>>
>><>>Thanks so much for you help. Beginners must be sooo frustrating.
>><>>
>><>>Mellie
>><>
>><>
>><>
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>><>sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
>><>www.drsolo.com
>><>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>><>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>><>I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>><>compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for
>><>any of the recommendations I make.
>><>AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE ADS AT THE OLD PUREGOLD SITE

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[Daniel Morrow]

Bottom posted.
Mellie101 wrote:
> Thanks for the reply. Where do I get PP from? Is my local LFS likely
> to carry it or would I be best off going to a pharmacy? I don't
> suppose you know the dosage required off the top of you head. I'm
> desperate. Have seen a slight improvement tonight. Fin isn't closed
> anymore.
>
> The definition I gave is bad. I'm so new to all this that the
> terminology hasn't started too well. The white on the tail runs along
> and is kind of 'cotton like'. A definition I have read. I really
> appreciate the advice and what treatment to use. Its where to find
> this that is worrying. I went to the local PetSmart earlier and they
> don't carry Bio Spira.
>
> Is there any hope then :-)
> So happy that my 3 gold fish are happy in the 55g. Was longing for
> the day to introduce 'Rodney' too them.
>
> Thanks so much for you help. Beginners must be sooo frustrating.
>
> Mellie

You can get potassium permanganate in liquid form via buying/ordering (
www.thatpetplace.com ) jungle's clear water. I have heard that potassium
permanganate typically degrades (i.e. is perishable goods) after even just a
year even in storage so I recommend on only buying what you think you need,
maybe just a little more for good measure though. Good luck and later!

[Daniel Morrow]

Bottom posted.
Mellie101 wrote:
> Thanks. As I said the small tank was only being used as a 'quarantine
> tank'. I have a 55g waiting for him. So water changes and salt are
> enough to cure fin-rot? The tank is small but cycled and reading are
> zero for ammonia and nitrates. As soon as he is well he will have all
> the fun of the big tank
>
> Mellie

What about nitrItes? NitrItes are even more toxic if I am not mistaken
(nitrAtes aren't nearly as toxic as NitrItes). Good luck and later!

[Daniel Morrow]

Bottom posted.
Mellie101 wrote:
> Just noticed that he isn't using one of his fins also. His coat looks
> more silvery than black too. Have checked water quality and all is
> well. Got him from the LFS about 8 days ago. Would salt work,
> although I only have iodized so wouldn't be able to get some till the
> morning.
>
> Thanks Mellie

Never use iodized salt in aquariums, that would be a major health no-no.
Good luck and later!

[Mellie101]

Hi, wanted to say a big thank you to everybody who helped with their
experiences and expertise. 'Rodney' seems to be doing much much
bettter. Hoping I'm not being a bit premature here as it only two
days, but I can see a marked improvement. I have to add that his
appetite is slightly off but I can no longer see any white cotton like
'things' along his tail or on his fins, which they had spread too. His
fins haven't been clamped for 2 days. He still has a greyish hue to
him but his scales now look clear. He appears to have a small 'line'
about a millimeter long which is completely gold. Not the goldish hue
around his anal area that black moors get but bright gold. It looks
very attractive. I can see no signs of parasites there just this one
tiny gold scale.

I decided to take all of your suggestions on board. I have been doing
40 - 50% water changeds for the past 3 days. I've added salt into the
water change and the Furanase daily. I've also been adding 2 drops of
stress coat in on top of the water conditioner that I use. He is
exclusively eating anti-biotic food. My husband is laughing that I've
probably spent 10 times more on him than he actually cost.

So there it is. If anybody thinks I'm 'over doing' it then please feel
free to say. Like I say he does appear better in colour to me and I
can't see any sign of the fungus any more. Silly question, it says to
exclusively feed the anti-biotic feed but would a small pea hurt. He
loves them and I have noticed that his 'waste' has changed.

Thank you to everybody who helped
Mellie and Rodney :-)

[Roy]

Continue feeding the medicated feed, for the prescribed regimine of
treatment on the package. A day or two more over the prescribed will
ot hurt, then start on regular feeds.....


On 7 Feb 2006 04:00:42 -0800, "Mellie101" >
wrote:
>><>Hi, wanted to say a big thank you to everybody who helped with their
>><>experiences and expertise. 'Rodney' seems to be doing much much
>><>bettter. Hoping I'm not being a bit premature here as it only two
>><>days, but I can see a marked improvement. I have to add that his
>><>appetite is slightly off but I can no longer see any white cotton like
>><>'things' along his tail or on his fins, which they had spread too. His
>><>fins haven't been clamped for 2 days. He still has a greyish hue to
>><>him but his scales now look clear. He appears to have a small 'line'
>><>about a millimeter long which is completely gold. Not the goldish hue
>><>around his anal area that black moors get but bright gold. It looks
>><>very attractive. I can see no signs of parasites there just this one
>><>tiny gold scale.
>><>
>><>I decided to take all of your suggestions on board. I have been doing
>><>40 - 50% water changeds for the past 3 days. I've added salt into the
>><>water change and the Furanase daily. I've also been adding 2 drops of
>><>stress coat in on top of the water conditioner that I use. He is
>><>exclusively eating anti-biotic food. My husband is laughing that I've
>><>probably spent 10 times more on him than he actually cost.
>><>
>><>So there it is. If anybody thinks I'm 'over doing' it then please feel
>><>free to say. Like I say he does appear better in colour to me and I
>><>can't see any sign of the fungus any more. Silly question, it says to
>><>exclusively feed the anti-biotic feed but would a small pea hurt. He
>><>loves them and I have noticed that his 'waste' has changed.
>><>
>><>Thank you to everybody who helped
>><>Mellie and Rodney :-)

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[Koi-Lo]

"Mellie101" > wrote in message
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>
> I decided to take all of your suggestions on board. I have been doing
> 40 - 50% water changeds for the past 3 days. I've added salt into the
> water change and the Furanase daily.

In my opinion Furanase is the BEST product there is for bacterial
infections. It gets both gram negative and gram positive bacteria I read.
I saw this product perform a miracle in that pet dept. I would never have
believed it had I not seen it with my own eyes.

I've also been adding 2 drops of
> stress coat in on top of the water conditioner that I use. He is
> exclusively eating anti-biotic food. My husband is laughing that I've
> probably spent 10 times more on him than he actually cost.

We've all done that at some point in our fishkeeping lives.

> So there it is. If anybody thinks I'm 'over doing' it then please feel
> free to say. Like I say he does appear better in colour to me and I
> can't see any sign of the fungus any more. Silly question, it says to
> exclusively feed the anti-biotic feed but would a small pea hurt. He
> loves them and I have noticed that his 'waste' has changed.

Give it a go! :-) It's good to know things have improved.


> Thank you to everybody who helped
> Mellie and Rodney :-)
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[Koi-Lo]

> wrote in message
...
> you need to try the tub to tub method. small quarantine tanks just dont
> work.
> dont use melafix, it is a kerosene like substance and harsh on the gills.
> what is in pimafix? dont use anything where they dont tell you what are
> the
> ingredients.
> come join the puregold GF list, lots of people there to help
> Ingrid

http://www.aquariumpharm.com/pimafix.html

Looks like google knows all.

[Zod]

Koi-Lo wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > you need to try the tub to tub method. small quarantine tanks just dont
> > work.
> > dont use melafix, it is a kerosene like substance and harsh on the gills.
> > what is in pimafix? dont use anything where they dont tell you what are
> > the
> > ingredients.
> > come join the puregold GF list, lots of people there to help
> > Ingrid
>
> http://www.aquariumpharm.com/pimafix.html
>
> Looks like google knows all.

Carolyn Adamo Gulley
3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
Phone 615-459-9345

CArol has been caught in various vicious lies!
Before plaguing ARJW with her nonsense, she use to plague the Health NG
do a google search on Yarrow / windsong / Carol for more details.

http://tinyurl.com/99azt
http://tinyurl.com/87ow4
http://tinyurl.com/d6t5m
http://tinyurl.com/aheek
http://tinyurl.com/ck97r
http://tinyurl.com/cm3dp
http://tinyurl.com/8bscg
http://tinyurl.com/7epdg
http://tinyurl.com/bya3z
When she is best by a man she accuse him of stalking

http://tinyurl.com/8wryt

She engages people in senseless debates about absolutely nothing.

Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one.
_Where does she get her information?
_Can her information be verified?
_Is the information up to date?

Ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your
conversation with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time and
bandwidth on discussing subjects based on fraudulent and fabricated
information. This is how she manipulates clueless bystanders in
participating with her distributing false information elsewhere?

Facts about Carol:

*She can never present evidence.
*She never reveals the source of her info (because there is none). Her
common reply, is: "everybody already knows". If everybody knew, why
bring it up?
*She always hides her identity. And change her header to avoid
killfiles. A TOS offense
*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail
addresses
;which her ISP allows her to do. Just ask them:



If your newsgroups has been victim of Carol's MCP and ECP that is off
topic you can report her. Her account is dpc6682112001.direcpc.com and
you may report her by calling 1-800-DirecPC, by emailing us at
, or by writing to:

DirecPC
Customer Care Center
11717 Exploration Lane
Germantown, MD 20876 USA

Her use of remailers can still be traced to her account.No American ISP
like to be
associated with Hate Speech no matter if Hate speech is protected
under the First. It affects their commercial interest.
Then you can contact your own ISP and have them add them to their
block List Direcpc.com

Why does Carol behave as she does?


Carolyn Adamo Gulley of Mt Juliet Tn. Is a life long underachiever.
She did not finish High school in NYC, and lived as a biker gangsters
in the 60's and 70's. She claims on her former website that she has 2
failed
marriages and blames God for her poor choices. It is alleged that she
lost custody of her only son due to substance abuse, (never been
proven however). Dumped in TN by her Second husband, Quote-quote, with
no place to go.


She also has failed attempts at being a JW. She could never attain
their moral standards as dictated in the scriptures, and thus been at
war with them ever since. This has made her a very mentally unstable
woman, her hatred is intense, and due to biker-substance abuse
lifestyle, she now needs aid of a pacemaker.

By reporting her to her ISP, she is made aware, that she is alone in
her insane crusade full of false hoods and forgeries., and that you
the reader does not support hate speech against any religion or person.

[bod]

"Zod" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Koi-Lo wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > you need to try the tub to tub method. small quarantine tanks just
>> > dont
>> > work.
>> > dont use melafix, it is a kerosene like substance and harsh on the
>> > gills.
>> > what is in pimafix? dont use anything where they dont tell you what
>> > are
>> > the
>> > ingredients.
>> > come join the puregold GF list, lots of people there to help
>> > Ingrid

**** me...its a laugh a minute in this ng isnt it..."oh no, report their
isp...they just called my goldfish a pop eyed **** bucket!"
jesus ****ing christ!!


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regards from BOD!

"dont worry yoko, its only a friggin water pist...."
JOHN LENNON 1980

see bod ****ing in the wind at...
www.bodland.co.uk the home of bod!

[Bonestructure]

Bitch sounds like my ex wife


--
As I arrived home from work, I could hear the sounds of maniacal laughter
and terrified goats coming from within the house. As I put my key in the
door, I couldn't help but think, "Here we go again."

http://www.bonestructure.net

[[email protected]]

there is nothing like lots of water changes and a bit of to bring most fish around.
Ingrid


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[Roy]

Exactly and lots cheaper than the snakeoils that are peddled.

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:26:23 GMT, wrote:
>><>there is nothing like lots of water changes and a bit of to bring most fish around.
>><>Ingrid
>><>
>><>
>><>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>><>List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
>><>http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
>><>sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
>><>www.drsolo.com
>><>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>><>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>><>I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>><>compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for
>><>any of the recommendations I make.
>><>AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE ADS AT THE OLD PUREGOLD SITE

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