Aquarium air-pumps - which are best?

[Koi-Lo]

I'm so tired of buying airpumps that wear out in less than a year. We
replace the diaphragms and flappers and the improvement is minimal.
Sometimes they're even worse! Why is this? There is no cigarette smoke in
the air and the house isn't dusty. Can anyone recommend an air pump that
lasts awhile outside the overpriced Tetra pumps. BTW I paid $44 for one
several years ago and the replacement parts didn't fix it. Why do they even
sell replacement parts when they either don't work or improve the
performance of the pump so little, and for such a short period of time?

Thoughts? Suggestions? Experiences?
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[Sean]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> I'm so tired of buying airpumps that wear out in less than a year. We
> replace the diaphragms and flappers and the improvement is minimal.
> Sometimes they're even worse! Why is this? There is no cigarette smoke
> in the air and the house isn't dusty. Can anyone recommend an air pump
> that lasts awhile outside the overpriced Tetra pumps. BTW I paid $44 for
> one several years ago and the replacement parts didn't fix it. Why do
> they even sell replacement parts when they either don't work or improve
> the performance of the pump so little, and for such a short period of
> time?
>
> Thoughts? Suggestions? Experiences?


I have an Elite 802. Cost $14 CAN and has lasted me a year so far with no
problems.

Sean

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"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
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Which one of your "identities" is this one, Carol?

[Koi-Lo]

"Sean" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I'm so tired of buying airpumps that wear out in less than a year. We
>> replace the diaphragms and flappers and the improvement is minimal.
>> Sometimes they're even worse! Why is this? There is no cigarette smoke
>> in the air and the house isn't dusty. Can anyone recommend an air pump
>> that lasts awhile outside the overpriced Tetra pumps. BTW I paid $44 for
>> one several years ago and the replacement parts didn't fix it. Why do
>> they even sell replacement parts when they either don't work or improve
>> the performance of the pump so little, and for such a short period of
>> time?
>>
>> Thoughts? Suggestions? Experiences?
>
>
> I have an Elite 802. Cost $14 CAN and has lasted me a year so far with no
> problems.
>
> Sean
========================
Have you seen much loss of pressure? I have a small Elite 799 running 4
airstones with no loss of pressure, but can't find the receipt to know
exactly how long it's been running. I think it's only a few months old. I
don't mind spending more money for something that'll last, but they've all
been so short-lived so far, even the more costly ones.

I'm about to toss one in the trash right now. Come to find out, it doesn't
even have a NAME on it! That's how ashamed the mfg is. All it has is a
country - Malaysia. I bought it last August and it's already crapped out.
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[Sean]

> ========================
> Have you seen much loss of pressure? I have a small Elite 799 running 4
> airstones with no loss of pressure, but can't find the receipt to know
> exactly how long it's been running. I think it's only a few months old.
> I don't mind spending more money for something that'll last, but they've
> all been so short-lived so far, even the more costly ones.
>
> I'm about to toss one in the trash right now. Come to find out, it
> doesn't even have a NAME on it! That's how ashamed the mfg is. All it
> has is a country - Malaysia. I bought it last August and it's already
> crapped out.

Nope no loss of pressure and I am running a air curtain across the back of
the tank. It about two feet in length and bubbles something crazy.

Sean

[Roy]

Why don;t you know thew answer to this questioon yourself .afterall
your the self imposed queen of fish and ponds and seem to think yu
know everything..........and here you are asking us common folks what
is best. Perhaps one of yur sock puppets can answer that question, and
with all the hot air they seem to have you should not have a problem
with getting all kinds of already heated air, and then you can turn
off your heaters a well.


On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:07:44 -0600, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:
>><>I'm so tired of buying airpumps that wear out in less than a year. We
>><>replace the diaphragms and flappers and the improvement is minimal.
>><>Sometimes they're even worse! Why is this? There is no cigarette smoke in
>><>the air and the house isn't dusty. Can anyone recommend an air pump that
>><>lasts awhile outside the overpriced Tetra pumps. BTW I paid $44 for one
>><>several years ago and the replacement parts didn't fix it. Why do they even
>><>sell replacement parts when they either don't work or improve the
>><>performance of the pump so little, and for such a short period of time?
>><>
>><>Thoughts? Suggestions? Experiences?

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[CanadianCray]

I personally like the Dolphin series of pumps. I have been running a
fishroom of 24 tanks off of 2 Dolphin 5 star pumps for almost 2 years now,
no loss or failure yet.


"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> I'm so tired of buying airpumps that wear out in less than a year. We
> replace the diaphragms and flappers and the improvement is minimal.
> Sometimes they're even worse! Why is this? There is no cigarette smoke
> in the air and the house isn't dusty. Can anyone recommend an air pump
> that lasts awhile outside the overpriced Tetra pumps. BTW I paid $44 for
> one several years ago and the replacement parts didn't fix it. Why do
> they even sell replacement parts when they either don't work or improve
> the performance of the pump so little, and for such a short period of
> time?
>
> Thoughts? Suggestions? Experiences?
> --
>
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
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>

[Koi-Lo]

"CanadianCray" > wrote in message
. ..
>I personally like the Dolphin series of pumps. I have been running a
>fishroom of 24 tanks off of 2 Dolphin 5 star pumps for almost 2 years now,
>no loss or failure yet.
=====================
I'll definitely take a look at these air pumps. Thanks. I'm really tired
of messing with pumps that can't be repaired even though they sell you
repair kits. It's just throwing good money after bad.
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[sew crazy]

usually the rubbers go because of too much preasure place on them
= 2 few airstones and such ....
i buy the cheapest then chuck it at the first sighn of trouble ,.,,,

for my aircuirtain i have an elite ... it has been running for about 2 years
now .....


"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> I'm so tired of buying airpumps that wear out in less than a year. We
> replace the diaphragms and flappers and the improvement is minimal.
> Sometimes they're even worse! Why is this? There is no cigarette smoke
> in the air and the house isn't dusty. Can anyone recommend an air pump
> that lasts awhile outside the overpriced Tetra pumps. BTW I paid $44 for
> one several years ago and the replacement parts didn't fix it. Why do
> they even sell replacement parts when they either don't work or improve
> the performance of the pump so little, and for such a short period of
> time?
>
> Thoughts? Suggestions? Experiences?
> --
>
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> Aquariums since 1952
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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>
>
>

[Koi-Lo]

"sew crazy" > wrote in message
...
> usually the rubbers go because of too much preasure place on them
> = 2 few airstones and such ....

There's no real back-pressure on mine. I change the stones constantly. I
bought a sack of those inexpensive disposable ones a few years ago from a
place going out of business, so I sort of waste them. Back-pressure
definitely isn't the problem.

> i buy the cheapest then chuck it at the first sighn of trouble ,.,,,

Cheapest pump? The real cheapos aren't worth the effort to take home. :-)
Avoid anything from those large non-pet shop chains.

> for my aircuirtain i have an elite ... it has been running for about 2
> years now .....

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[Richard Sexton]

>Have you seen much loss of pressure? I have a small Elite 799 running 4
>airstones with no loss of pressure, but can't find the receipt to know
>exactly how long it's been running. I think it's only a few months old. I
>don't mind spending more money for something that'll last, but they've all
>been so short-lived so far, even the more costly ones.
>
>I'm about to toss one in the trash right now. Come to find out, it doesn't
>even have a NAME on it! That's how ashamed the mfg is. All it has is a
>country - Malaysia. I bought it last August and it's already crapped out.

Airstones are real pump killers. No matter what kind they all clog, when they
do you have back pressure and you can expect your pump to die shortly after.

I won't use airstones (any more).

Another thing that might help is to build a plenum out of black PVC
piping. This gives the air a fairly good sized chamber to accumulate
pressure and you might be surprised how much more milage you get
out of what air you have now. I run 170 gallons in 8 tanks off
two Hagen Optimas this way. One of the tanks is doinwright boiling
over with tubulence.

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[Koi-Lo]

"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
> >Have you seen much loss of pressure? I have a small Elite 799 running 4
>>airstones with no loss of pressure, but can't find the receipt to know
>>exactly how long it's been running. I think it's only a few months old.
>>I
>>don't mind spending more money for something that'll last, but they've all
>>been so short-lived so far, even the more costly ones.
>>
>>I'm about to toss one in the trash right now. Come to find out, it
>>doesn't
>>even have a NAME on it! That's how ashamed the mfg is. All it has is a
>>country - Malaysia. I bought it last August and it's already crapped out.
=============================================
> Airstones are real pump killers. No matter what kind they all clog, when
> they
> do you have back pressure and you can expect your pump to die shortly
> after.
>
> I won't use airstones (any more).

The ones I have don't have back-pressure. They're those disposable ones
made of some kind of white foamy plastic. I change them constantly. The
only back pressure is against the water itself which is unavoidable.
Without something on the ends of the hose the air is too wild, bubbles too
huge - splashing the glass and everything else.

> Another thing that might help is to build a plenum out of black PVC
> piping. This gives the air a fairly good sized chamber to accumulate
> pressure and you might be surprised how much more milage you get
> out of what air you have now.

?!?!?!?! What is a plenum and how is one made for two 10g tanks? How does
it accumulate pressure and not put back-pressure on the air-pump?

I run 170 gallons in 8 tanks off
> two Hagen Optimas this way. One of the tanks is doinwright boiling
> over with tubulence.

How do you build the pressure up without back pressure in the pumps?
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[ReelMcKoi]

Koi-Lo wrote:
> "sew crazy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > usually the rubbers go because of too much preasure place on them
> > = 2 few airstones and such ....
>
> There's no real back-pressure on mine. I change the stones constantly. I
> bought a sack of those inexpensive disposable ones a few years ago from a
> place going out of business, so I sort of waste them. Back-pressure
> definitely isn't the problem.
>
> > i buy the cheapest then chuck it at the first sighn of trouble ,.,,,
>
> Cheapest pump? The real cheapos aren't worth the effort to take home. :-)
> Avoid anything from those large non-pet shop chains.
>
> > for my aircuirtain i have an elite ... it has been running for about 2
> > years now .....
>
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> Aquariums since 1952

Koi-Lo Real name is Carolyn Adamo Gulley
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has been caught in various vicious lies!
Before plaguing The aquarian NG's with her nonsense, she use to plague
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She engages people in senseless debates about absolutely nothing.
Her intent on the aquarian groups is to pretend she an expert on all
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Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one.
_Where does she get her information?
_Can her information be verified?
_Is the information up to date?
_What is the purpose of her post? To present reliable facts about JW's
or sling mud on a religious organization in good standing in almost
every country in the world?

Ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your
conversation with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time and
bandwidth on discussing subjects based on fraudulent and fabricated
information. This is how she manipulates clueless bystanders in
participating with her distributing false information elsewhere?

Facts about Carol:

*She can never present evidence.
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*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail
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[Daniel Morrow]

Mid posted.
Richard Sexton wrote:
>> Have you seen much loss of pressure? I have a small Elite 799
>> running 4 airstones with no loss of pressure, but can't find the
>> receipt to know exactly how long it's been running. I think it's
>> only a few months old. I don't mind spending more money for
>> something that'll last, but they've all been so short-lived so far,
>> even the more costly ones.
>>
>> I'm about to toss one in the trash right now. Come to find out, it
>> doesn't even have a NAME on it! That's how ashamed the mfg is. All
>> it has is a country - Malaysia. I bought it last August and it's
>> already crapped out.
>
> Airstones are real pump killers.

You should use my regeneration method (do a google groups search on this
newsgroup there for daniel morrow airstone and examine the one with the
forced air method of keeping airstones in top shape. I use a bicycle air
pump (with presta valve setup) once every month or two on all of my
airstones whether they are air wands or plain airstones and they operate
like new all of the time and I have been using the air-wands with tetra luft
g pumps and a cheap airmaster air pump for shallow airstones/tanks for over
two years now without a problem. The lufts are the best in my opinion for
both indoors and outdoors but indoors the danner dynamaster 2 packs more
power, is easily repairable (truly) and outputs at high pressure, but it
shouldn't be used outdoors. Both are expensive compared to the others though
but theres that saying "you get what you pay for". The cheap airmaster won't
do air wands but I still like it because it is a good cheap pump for shallow
water projects. The rena microbubbler airstones can be cleaned once every
month or two by soaking it in peroxide overnight I am told, but I clean mine
with my bicycle pump method. Good luck and later.

No matter what kind they all clog,
> when they do you have back pressure and you can expect your pump to
> die shortly after.
>
> I won't use airstones (any more).
>
> Another thing that might help is to build a plenum out of black PVC
> piping. This gives the air a fairly good sized chamber to accumulate
> pressure and you might be surprised how much more milage you get
> out of what air you have now. I run 170 gallons in 8 tanks off
> two Hagen Optimas this way. One of the tanks is doinwright boiling
> over with tubulence.

[Koi-Lo]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> I'm so tired of buying airpumps that wear out in less than a year. We
> replace the diaphragms and flappers and the improvement is minimal.
> Sometimes they're even worse! Why is this? There is no cigarette smoke
> in the air and the house isn't dusty. Can anyone recommend an air pump
> that lasts awhile outside the overpriced Tetra pumps. BTW I paid $44 for
> one several years ago and the replacement parts didn't fix it. Why do
> they even sell replacement parts when they either don't work or improve
> the performance of the pump so little, and for such a short period of
> time?
>
> Thoughts? Suggestions? Experiences?


Go to an industrial supply company, buy an industrial airpump, and a large
air tank. Let the air pump fill up the pump, then slowly drain out the
pressure through the air hose.

[Richard Sexton]

>?!?!?!?! What is a plenum and how is one made for two 10g tanks? How does
>it accumulate pressure and not put back-pressure on the air-pump?

Take a one foot length of 1 1/2" PVC pipe. Glue (with pvc cement) on two
end pieces. Drill holes just big enough to stick some rigit air tubing
in it. One in for the pump, as many out as you want. That's it.

It's not uncomon in setups with lots of tanks to see PVC pipe running along the
back - you can drill a hole and bleed off air wherver you need.

Before I did this I never had enough pumps. I'm amazed at how many tanks
you can run off 1 pump with a plenum.

Have you considered sponge filters instead of airstones?

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[Koi-Lo]

Since this was already cross-posted I will let this be the last one - to
avoid reposting to the same thread 4 times.
This is to let the groups know that "SNOOZE" from rec.ponds has decided to
change his NYM to Koi-Lo. Knowing there are two "Koi-Los" may help avoid
some confusion.
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"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I'm so tired of buying airpumps that wear out in less than a year. We
>> replace the diaphragms and flappers and the improvement is minimal.
>> Sometimes they're even worse! Why is this? There is no cigarette smoke
>> in the air and the house isn't dusty. Can anyone recommend an air pump
>> that lasts awhile outside the overpriced Tetra pumps. BTW I paid $44 for
>> one several years ago and the replacement parts didn't fix it. Why do
>> they even sell replacement parts when they either don't work or improve
>> the performance of the pump so little, and for such a short period of
>> time?
>>
>> Thoughts? Suggestions? Experiences?
>
>
> Go to an industrial supply company, buy an industrial airpump, and a large
> air tank. Let the air pump fill up the pump, then slowly drain out the
> pressure through the air hose.
>
>
>

[Koi-Lo]

Cross-Posted because I don't know which group you replied from.

"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
> >?!?!?!?! What is a plenum and how is one made for two 10g tanks? How
> >does
>>it accumulate pressure and not put back-pressure on the air-pump?
>
> Take a one foot length of 1 1/2" PVC pipe. Glue (with pvc cement) on two
> end pieces. Drill holes just big enough to stick some rigit air tubing
> in it. One in for the pump, as many out as you want. That's it.

How does this extend pump life? It still has to push the air through some
kind of diffuser and out into the water. Or are you just talking about
getting more tanks aerated from one pump? I use gang valves for that.

> It's not uncomon in setups with lots of tanks to see PVC pipe running
> along the
> back - you can drill a hole and bleed off air wherver you need.

I see. My tanks are not in a row. Most are scattered around the sun-fish
room, and two are in here. I'd have to have air hoses running everywhere.
That sounds like a great idea if the tanks are racked on one or two walls.
:-) I have to keep this in mind.

> Before I did this I never had enough pumps. I'm amazed at how many tanks
> you can run off 1 pump with a plenum.
>
> Have you considered sponge filters instead of airstones?

Yes. They take up space in the tanks and are hard to hide. I use them
outside in the 150g GF pools with powerheads.
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[Roy]

That is not a plenum its a accumulator or resivoir. All it does is add
"volumne" so there is not a constant drain on air suppl;y. Odds are a
single stone or two does not utilized every bit of air produced by a
pump,. and over a bit of time this residual eventually accumulates in
the resivoir. It also helps balance flow between devices.


On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 06:43:55 +0000 (UTC), (Richard
Sexton) wrote:
>><>>?!?!?!?! What is a plenum and how is one made for two 10g tanks? How does
>><>>it accumulate pressure and not put back-pressure on the air-pump?
>><>
>><>Take a one foot length of 1 1/2" PVC pipe. Glue (with pvc cement) on two
>><>end pieces. Drill holes just big enough to stick some rigit air tubing
>><>in it. One in for the pump, as many out as you want. That's it.
>><>
>><>It's not uncomon in setups with lots of tanks to see PVC pipe running along the
>><>back - you can drill a hole and bleed off air wherver you need.
>><>
>><>Before I did this I never had enough pumps. I'm amazed at how many tanks
>><>you can run off 1 pump with a plenum.
>><>
>><>Have you considered sponge filters instead of airstones?

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[Roy]

Who really gives a darn carol, you just have to cross post or post one
way or another and yur opbsessed with your posts to point out what you
consider is someone else, when odds are no one else really gives a dam
one way or another.........


On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:50:38 -0600, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:
>><>Since this was already cross-posted I will let this be the last one - to
>><>avoid reposting to the same thread 4 times.
>><>This is to let the groups know that "SNOOZE" from rec.ponds has decided to
>><>change his NYM to Koi-Lo. Knowing there are two "Koi-Los" may help avoid
>><>some confusion.

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[Adam]

I have two sets of air stones that I switch out every so often. I keep
one set soaking in vinegar until a few days before I am ready to use
them. The vinegar seems to work pretty well.

[cat daddy]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> Since this was already cross-posted

That didn't take long to break your "promise".

> I will let this be the last one - to

How many times have you said this, Carol?

> avoid reposting to the same thread 4 times.
> This is to let the groups know that "SNOOZE" from rec.ponds has decided
to
> change his NYM to Koi-Lo. Knowing there are two "Koi-Los" may help avoid
> some confusion.

Odd, since you post under so many nyms to *cause* confusion. What about
your daily "X-Zenia" warning in RP that now includes, "You can ask your pond
questions on another fish related group such as rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
or alt.aquaria where some from this group have migrated."?
Nope, you're not trying to cause trouble, are you, Carol?

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> > "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
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[Roy]

The thing is none of the real knowedgeable posters migrated anywhere.
They still patronize rec.ponds just like before, but they are more
precise in who they reply to due to carols nym ****ing all the time.
They did not migrate to these other groups to get away from rec.ponds,
as much as they followed you to warn others and keep you inline. CArol
the scurge of the usenet.........a plague on a keyboard is what carol
aka koi-lo is......

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:26:55 -0600, "cat daddy" >
wrote:
>><>
>><>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>><>> Since this was already cross-posted
>><>
>><> That didn't take long to break your "promise".
>><>
>><> > I will let this be the last one - to
>><>
>><> How many times have you said this, Carol?
>><>
>><>> avoid reposting to the same thread 4 times.
>><>> This is to let the groups know that "SNOOZE" from rec.ponds has decided
>><>to
>><>> change his NYM to Koi-Lo. Knowing there are two "Koi-Los" may help avoid
>><>> some confusion.
>><>
>><> Odd, since you post under so many nyms to *cause* confusion. What about
>><>your daily "X-Zenia" warning in RP that now includes, "You can ask your pond
>><>questions on another fish related group such as rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
>><>or alt.aquaria where some from this group have migrated."?
>><> Nope, you're not trying to cause trouble, are you, Carol?
>><>
>><>> --
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>><>> Aquariums since 1952
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>><>>
>><>>
>><>> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
>><>> . com...
>><>> >
>><>> > "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
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[Roy]

Carols way of thinking is.......... promises are made to break....just
look at the amount of husbands the bimbo has gone through
already.......

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:26:55 -0600, "cat daddy" >
wrote:
>><>
>><>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>><>> Since this was already cross-posted
>><>
>><> That didn't take long to break your "promise".
>><>
>><> > I will let this be the last one - to
>><>
>><> How many times have you said this, Carol?
>><>
>><>> avoid reposting to the same thread 4 times.
>><>> This is to let the groups know that "SNOOZE" from rec.ponds has decided
>><>to
>><>> change his NYM to Koi-Lo. Knowing there are two "Koi-Los" may help avoid
>><>> some confusion.
>><>
>><> Odd, since you post under so many nyms to *cause* confusion. What about
>><>your daily "X-Zenia" warning in RP that now includes, "You can ask your pond
>><>questions on another fish related group such as rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
>><>or alt.aquaria where some from this group have migrated."?
>><> Nope, you're not trying to cause trouble, are you, Carol?
>><>
>><>> --
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>><>> >
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[Gail Futoran]

I've used various common air pumps; none have failed
in 3+ years. I switched to bubble wands (soft rubber?
and flexible) a year or so ago which supposedly put less
back pressure on the pump. In moderately to heavily
planted tanks, I only run the air pumps overnight.

Gail

[Koi-Lo]

Cross-posted thread. I don't know where you posted from so will leave all.

"Adam" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I have two sets of air stones that I switch out every so often. I keep
> one set soaking in vinegar until a few days before I am ready to use
> them. The vinegar seems to work pretty well.
==============================================
I've heard of this. I may try it if I ever use the old style stones again.
I used to just toss them when they slowed down. Now I use those cheap
throw-away stones. I lucked out one a large number of them for near
nothing. At my age they're probably going to be a lifetime supply. :-)
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[eric]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> Cross-Posted because I don't know which group you replied from.
>
> "Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Take a one foot length of 1 1/2" PVC pipe. Glue (with pvc cement) on two
>> end pieces. Drill holes just big enough to stick some rigit air tubing
>> in it. One in for the pump, as many out as you want. That's it.
>
> How does this extend pump life? It still has to push the air through some
> kind of diffuser and out into the water.

The effect is that a blocked airstone does not raise pressure on the pump
because the plenum can dissipate the pressure to other devices. So if you
have two airstones coming off the plenum and one gets blocked up the
resulting increase in pressure gets dissipated to the other airstone instead
of (only) back on the pump. Its not clear if this is why your pumps are
failing but it could be. In a more limited sense you could achieve the same
effect with a splitter and two airlines and thus two airstones per pump that
way any failure of one will not automatically destroy the pump. Just be sure
to only any check valve between the pump and the splitter.

[Koi-Lo]

"eric" > wrote in message
news:L14Gf.12$Tb.3@trndny01...
>
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> How does this extend pump life? It still has to push the air through
>> some kind of diffuser and out into the water.
> -------
> The effect is that a blocked airstone does not raise pressure on the pump
> because the plenum can dissipate the pressure to other devices. So if you
> have two airstones coming off the plenum and one gets blocked up the
> resulting increase in pressure gets dissipated to the other airstone
> instead of (only) back on the pump. Its not clear if this is why your
> pumps are failing but it could be. In a more limited sense you could
> achieve the same effect with a splitter and two airlines and thus two
> airstones per pump that way any failure of one will not automatically
> destroy the pump. Just be sure to only any check valve between the pump
> and the splitter.
====================================
Ok, gotcha. I always have 3 to 4 airstones running from each air-pump and
of course they're indoors so I can immediately see if they're slowing down.
That's what made me wonder if the bother of making a plenum was worth the
effort. I don't always have check valves as some are above the tanks. I
change the stones so often I don't get to witness this slowing down.

Why don't they work when new diaphragms and flappers are put in? There's
little improvement and in days they're as bad as ever. There must be more
to it then just the diaphragms and flappers getting worn. What other parts
are known to go on them?
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[Roy]

Well if you were worth a dam I could give you the low down, so just
suffer.......my lips are sealed, so go buy a pump and get over it.

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:23:16 -0600, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:
>><>
>><>"eric" > wrote in message
>><>news:L14Gf.12$Tb.3@trndny01...
>><>>
>><>> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
>><>> ...
>><>>> How does this extend pump life? It still has to push the air through
>><>>> some kind of diffuser and out into the water.
>><>> -------
>><>> The effect is that a blocked airstone does not raise pressure on the pump
>><>> because the plenum can dissipate the pressure to other devices. So if you
>><>> have two airstones coming off the plenum and one gets blocked up the
>><>> resulting increase in pressure gets dissipated to the other airstone
>><>> instead of (only) back on the pump. Its not clear if this is why your
>><>> pumps are failing but it could be. In a more limited sense you could
>><>> achieve the same effect with a splitter and two airlines and thus two
>><>> airstones per pump that way any failure of one will not automatically
>><>> destroy the pump. Just be sure to only any check valve between the pump
>><>> and the splitter.
>><>====================================
>><>Ok, gotcha. I always have 3 to 4 airstones running from each air-pump and
>><>of course they're indoors so I can immediately see if they're slowing down.
>><>That's what made me wonder if the bother of making a plenum was worth the
>><>effort. I don't always have check valves as some are above the tanks. I
>><>change the stones so often I don't get to witness this slowing down.
>><>
>><>Why don't they work when new diaphragms and flappers are put in? There's
>><>little improvement and in days they're as bad as ever. There must be more
>><>to it then just the diaphragms and flappers getting worn. What other parts
>><>are known to go on them?

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[Koi-Lo]

"Gail Futoran" > wrote in message
...
> I've used various common air pumps; none have failed
> in 3+ years. I switched to bubble wands (soft rubber?
> and flexible) a year or so ago which supposedly put less
> back pressure on the pump. In moderately to heavily
> planted tanks, I only run the air pumps overnight.
=====================
There must be some problem with humidity then... after all I have most of
them in the humid plant room. Others are outside in rain proof boxes with
the line running to the pools in summer. Since the repair kits fail to
repair them it has to be something OTHER then just worn flappers and
diaphragms. I need to find out what that "something" is.
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[Roy]

I'll give you one clue dumbass........its not the humidity, or none
of mine would work....now go get a clue, looser. You got all the info
from me you'll ever get if its directed directly to you in response to
your assinine statements........The problem is as simple as can be to
make right........but you have to know and have a bit of intelligence
so that leaves you out in the dark. Perhaps one of your knowledgeable
sock puppets may care to chime in and help you.......
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:38:28 -0600, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:
>><>
>><>"Gail Futoran" > wrote in message
...
>><>> I've used various common air pumps; none have failed
>><>> in 3+ years. I switched to bubble wands (soft rubber?
>><>> and flexible) a year or so ago which supposedly put less
>><>> back pressure on the pump. In moderately to heavily
>><>> planted tanks, I only run the air pumps overnight.
>><>=====================
>><>There must be some problem with humidity then... after all I have most of
>><>them in the humid plant room. Others are outside in rain proof boxes with
>><>the line running to the pools in summer. Since the repair kits fail to
>><>repair them it has to be something OTHER then just worn flappers and
>><>diaphragms. I need to find out what that "something" is.

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[Koi-Lo]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> ==============================================
> I've heard of this. I may try it if I ever use the old style stones
> again. I used to just toss them when they slowed down. Now I use those
> cheap throw-away stones. I lucked out one a large number of them for near
> nothing. At my age they're probably going to be a lifetime supply. :-)

Let's hope you only have 2 more airstones left.

If you want an airstone that will last a millennium, do this, if you're
truly as frugal as pretend to be.

Buy a 1 foot section of 1" pvc pipe.
a handful SOS Tuffy nylon scouring pads
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002ZWAJW/
a couple of reducing bushings to go from 1" to 1/2" (air comes out of this
end)
airline hose

Take a 1" pvc pipe, stuff as many SOS nylon tuffy/scouring pads as you can
into it, the more the better.
Connecting the air hose to the pipe is left as an exercise to the reader.

You won't get a fine mist of bubbles the way you would with limewood air
diffuser, but good enough for a pond.

[Sean]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ==============================================
>> I've heard of this. I may try it if I ever use the old style stones
>> again. I used to just toss them when they slowed down. Now I use those
>> cheap throw-away stones. I lucked out one a large number of them for
>> near nothing. At my age they're probably going to be a lifetime supply.
>> :-)
>
> Let's hope you only have 2 more airstones left.
>
> If you want an airstone that will last a millennium, do this, if you're
> truly as frugal as pretend to be.
>
> Buy a 1 foot section of 1" pvc pipe.
> a handful SOS Tuffy nylon scouring pads
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002ZWAJW/
> a couple of reducing bushings to go from 1" to 1/2" (air comes out of this
> end)
> airline hose
>
> Take a 1" pvc pipe, stuff as many SOS nylon tuffy/scouring pads as you can
> into it, the more the better.
> Connecting the air hose to the pipe is left as an exercise to the reader.
>
> You won't get a fine mist of bubbles the way you would with limewood air
> diffuser, but good enough for a pond.


Skip the PVC pipe jobby and get a $5 bubble wall from Wally Mart. So far I
have had it a year and a half now and it gives off a even "misting" of air.


Sean

[Richard Sexton]

In article >,
Koi-Lo > wrote:
>Cross-Posted because I don't know which group you replied from.
>
>"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
>> >?!?!?!?! What is a plenum and how is one made for two 10g tanks? How
>> >does
>>>it accumulate pressure and not put back-pressure on the air-pump?
>>
>> Take a one foot length of 1 1/2" PVC pipe. Glue (with pvc cement) on two
>> end pieces. Drill holes just big enough to stick some rigit air tubing
>> in it. One in for the pump, as many out as you want. That's it.
>
>How does this extend pump life?

Beats me. If Ihad to guess I'd say it has a greater volume of air
which it can compress into. Less back pressure?

My tanks are on the ground floor, pumps are in the basement
connected to a 1' plenum. This is connected by 5 airline hoses
to an 8' plenum on my rack of tanks. There must be about 5L
of air in those planums.

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[Richard Sexton]

>Why don't they work when new diaphragms and flappers are put in? There's
>little improvement and in days they're as bad as ever. There must be more
>to it then just the diaphragms and flappers getting worn. What other parts
>are known to go on them?

Now that's a good question. If the rubber is new and installed properly
there's only two other things that can fail: the magnets or the windings.

My vote goes for the magnets losing strength cause they've overheated.

Come to think of it all the magnets I've seen were the standard ones.

Anybody ever tried refitting these things with rare earth magnets?

Bwah hahahahah...


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[Richard Sexton]

>the resivoir. It also helps balance flow between devices.

Big time. I could never balance things right before using
a plenum. Now it's real easy and quite consistant.

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[Richard Sexton]

In article >,
Gail Futoran > wrote:
>I've used various common air pumps; none have failed
>in 3+ years.

I have lke 5 pumps but only ned touse two now. The newest one is
7 years old. The oldest I bought used 15 years ago. It's had one
new diaphragm. The rest have the original rubber.

I just remembered the oher failure mode that's delamination of the
plates the windings go around. They make a heckuva buzzing racket
when this happens and it's new pump time. Heat seems to do this.
A hot pump is a dead pump.


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[Larry Blanchard]

In response to the original question, I only have one air pump, but it's
been running steadily for nearly a year powering an 8" bubble wand in a
blackworm tank. I can't hear it from 3 feet away. It's a Rena.


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[Koi-Lo]

"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
>
> Anybody ever tried refitting these things with rare earth magnets?
>
> Bwah hahahahah...
====================
Only those using Quack medicine - for arthritis I think. ;-)
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Goldfish dont use sponge filters, and large glass air stones can be cleaned in
muriatic acid. no reason they should get blocked at all. Ingrid


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[Roy]

Thats contrary to what the fish guru Koi Lo says......please clarify.

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:24:48 GMT, wrote:
>><>Goldfish dont use sponge filters, and large glass air stones can be cleaned in
>><>muriatic acid. no reason they should get blocked at all. Ingrid
>><>
>><>
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>><>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>><>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>><>I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
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In article >,
> wrote:
>Goldfish dont use sponge filters,

They do at wholesalers.

>AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE ADS AT THE OLD PUREGOLD SITE

No, I did. Sorry, but 300 free websitres for ten years eating all my bandwidth
made me do it.



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[Koi-Lo]

Cross-posted as I don't know which group this came from.

"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> > wrote:
>>Goldfish dont use sponge filters,
>
> They do at wholesalers.

I use sponge filters in my outdoor goldfish pools. They work fine but
esthetics are not an issue outside. Large sponges are too hard to hide in
indoor aquariums.

>>AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE ADS AT THE OLD PUREGOLD SITE

> No, I did. Sorry, but 300 free websitres for ten years eating all my
> bandwidth
> made me do it.

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I believe it was me and the people in my group sent you money to rebuild your
computers. And I was paying for the domain names, personally. You never asked
everyone on all those websites for help with the cost either. Ingrid

(Richard Sexton) wrote:

>In article >,
> > wrote:
>>Goldfish dont use sponge filters,
>
>They do at wholesalers.
>
>>AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE ADS AT THE OLD PUREGOLD SITE
>
>No, I did. Sorry, but 300 free websitres for ten years eating all my bandwidth
>made me do it.



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[Richard Sexton]

I cannot think of anything more odious than discussing this in public;
suffice it to say if you think I ever recovered the costs of running
this stuff for years you'd be mistaken.

I hate the ads too but they help stop the bleeding a little bit.

In article >,
> wrote:
>I believe it was me and the people in my group sent you money to rebuild your
>computers. And I was paying for the domain names, personally. You never asked
>everyone on all those websites for help with the cost either. Ingrid
>
(Richard Sexton) wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> > wrote:
>>>Goldfish dont use sponge filters,
>>
>>They do at wholesalers.
>>
>>>AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE ADS AT THE OLD PUREGOLD SITE
>>
>>No, I did. Sorry, but 300 free websitres for ten years eating all my bandwidth
>>made me do it.
>
>
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>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for
>any of the recommendations I make.
>AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE ADS AT THE OLD PUREGOLD SITE


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[Koi-Lo]

"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
> I just remembered the oher failure mode that's delamination of the
> plates the windings go around. They make a heckuva buzzing racket
> when this happens and it's new pump time. Heat seems to do this.
> A hot pump is a dead pump.
==================
How do you keep them "cool" when a normal home is around 75F? What about
outside where they have to run and it's in the mid 90s for several months at
a time? What would make them run *too hot?* I don't think many people
would be foolish enough to cover one with a cloth.
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[Richard Sexton]

In article >,
Koi-Lo > wrote:
>
>"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
>> I just remembered the oher failure mode that's delamination of the
>> plates the windings go around. They make a heckuva buzzing racket
>> when this happens and it's new pump time. Heat seems to do this.
>> A hot pump is a dead pump.
>==================
>How do you keep them "cool" when a normal home is around 75F? What about
>outside where they have to run and it's in the mid 90s for several months at
>a time? What would make them run *too hot?* I don't think many people
>would be foolish enough to cover one with a cloth.

I stuffed one inside a pillow once to shut it up. Didn't work so good
to say the least.

Fans keep things cool.

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[Koi-Lo]

"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
>I cannot think of anything more odious than discussing this in public;
> suffice it to say if you think I ever recovered the costs of running
> this stuff for years you'd be mistaken.
>
> I hate the ads too but they help stop the bleeding a little bit.

Hosting a website, forum or mailing list has never been cost neutral.
Donations will rarely cover the monthly hosting, hardware, and bandwidth
costs, plus donations are rarely consistent. Hosting a popular site can
easily cost over $50/month.

Let's pretend it hosting the site costs, $25/month, or $300/year. How much
of that was covered through donation, and how much was absorbed by the
person donating server space? I strongly suspect the hosting was done on a
service that costs way more then $25/month.

[AlanM]

I have set noisy air pumps on a sponge - it made a huge difference.


On 2/9/06 10:22 AM, in article , "Richard
Sexton" > wrote:

> In article >,
> Koi-Lo > wrote:
>>
>> "Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I just remembered the oher failure mode that's delamination of the
>>> plates the windings go around. They make a heckuva buzzing racket
>>> when this happens and it's new pump time. Heat seems to do this.
>>> A hot pump is a dead pump.
>> ==================
>> How do you keep them "cool" when a normal home is around 75F? What about
>> outside where they have to run and it's in the mid 90s for several months at
>> a time? What would make them run *too hot?* I don't think many people
>> would be foolish enough to cover one with a cloth.
>
> I stuffed one inside a pillow once to shut it up. Didn't work so good
> to say the least.
>
> Fans keep things cool.

[Koi-Lo]

"AlanM" > wrote in message
...
>I have set noisy air pumps on a sponge - it made a huge difference.
==================
I have one sitting on top of a folded face cloth. That really helped. Oh
for a brand new, out of the box Silent Giant of the 1960s.
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Aquariums since 1952
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[CanadianCray]

LOL funny the little tricks we try. I have actually hung the air pumps with
elastic bands. Really makes them quite.

"AlanM" > wrote in message
...
>I have set noisy air pumps on a sponge - it made a huge difference.
>
>
> On 2/9/06 10:22 AM, in article , "Richard
> Sexton" > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Koi-Lo > wrote:
>>>
>>> "Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I just remembered the oher failure mode that's delamination of the
>>>> plates the windings go around. They make a heckuva buzzing racket
>>>> when this happens and it's new pump time. Heat seems to do this.
>>>> A hot pump is a dead pump.
>>> ==================
>>> How do you keep them "cool" when a normal home is around 75F? What
>>> about
>>> outside where they have to run and it's in the mid 90s for several
>>> months at
>>> a time? What would make them run *too hot?* I don't think many people
>>> would be foolish enough to cover one with a cloth.
>>
>> I stuffed one inside a pillow once to shut it up. Didn't work so good
>> to say the least.
>>
>> Fans keep things cool.
>

[NetMax]

Yup, duct tape works too. I was at a friends house and I took a piece of
duct tape and taped the airpump in a loop (made a cradle for it) inside
the stand's cabinet. Worked like a charm, but I told them it was just a
quick & dirty fix, and they could make it look a little neater when it
came apart. Months later, that duct tape was still hanging in there (it
was a small airpump).
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"CanadianCray" > wrote in message
.. .
> LOL funny the little tricks we try. I have actually hung the air pumps
> with elastic bands. Really makes them quite.
>
> "AlanM" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I have set noisy air pumps on a sponge - it made a huge difference.
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/06 10:22 AM, in article , "Richard
>> Sexton" > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> Koi-Lo > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I just remembered the oher failure mode that's delamination of the
>>>>> plates the windings go around. They make a heckuva buzzing racket
>>>>> when this happens and it's new pump time. Heat seems to do this.
>>>>> A hot pump is a dead pump.
>>>> ==================
>>>> How do you keep them "cool" when a normal home is around 75F? What
>>>> about
>>>> outside where they have to run and it's in the mid 90s for several
>>>> months at
>>>> a time? What would make them run *too hot?* I don't think many
>>>> people
>>>> would be foolish enough to cover one with a cloth.
>>>
>>> I stuffed one inside a pillow once to shut it up. Didn't work so good
>>> to say the least.
>>>
>>> Fans keep things cool.
>>
>
>

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In >, on 02/10/06
at 05:49 PM, AlanM > said:

>I have set noisy air pumps on a sponge - it made a huge difference.

I can second that. Some pumps stay noisy even on a sponge (those go right
back to the LFS), but I've found that most noisy pumps I have were able to
be silenced by placing them on a sponge. My aquarium is in my bedroom, so
noisy pumps are not welcome.

Even on a sponge, the vibration of the pump sometimes moves it a little
bit and it gets noisy again, but repositioning it quiets things back down.


Alan

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