Kent Marine 2 part buffer question

[MakitaSalesRep]

I have been using the 2 part buffer from Kent Marine but am having a little bit
of a problem. I am trying to get my calcium level up from 350 without raising
the alkalinity any higher. I was told that the "A" part of the buffer system is
basically the calcium buffer and that the "B" part was for Alkalinity. If this
is true I should be able to step up the dosage of PART A without drastically
changing my alkalinity. Does this make sense? Just FYI my Magnesium level is
around 1100.

[Marc Levenson]

With B-Ionic, part A or Part 1 is Alkalinity. Maybe you've got them backwards.

Mg should be close to 1200 to get perfect levels. I never quite hit that though.

Marc


MakitaSalesRep wrote:

> I have been using the 2 part buffer from Kent Marine but am having a little bit
> of a problem. I am trying to get my calcium level up from 350 without raising
> the alkalinity any higher. I was told that the "A" part of the buffer system is
> basically the calcium buffer and that the "B" part was for Alkalinity. If this
> is true I should be able to step up the dosage of PART A without drastically
> changing my alkalinity. Does this make sense? Just FYI my Magnesium level is
> around 1100.

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Kent's Tech CB part A is Ca. part B is Alk.

kc


"MakitaSalesRep" > wrote in message
...
> I have been using the 2 part buffer from Kent Marine but am having a
little bit
> of a problem. I am trying to get my calcium level up from 350 without
raising
> the alkalinity any higher. I was told that the "A" part of the buffer
system is
> basically the calcium buffer and that the "B" part was for Alkalinity. If
this
> is true I should be able to step up the dosage of PART A without
drastically
> changing my alkalinity. Does this make sense? Just FYI my Magnesium level
is
> around 1100.

[Dragon Slayer]

Kent products are bassakwards from ESV's in the Ca buffer system Marc.

kc

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> With B-Ionic, part A or Part 1 is Alkalinity. Maybe you've got them
backwards.
>
> Mg should be close to 1200 to get perfect levels. I never quite hit that
though.
>
> Marc
>
>
> MakitaSalesRep wrote:
>
> > I have been using the 2 part buffer from Kent Marine but am having a
little bit
> > of a problem. I am trying to get my calcium level up from 350 without
raising
> > the alkalinity any higher. I was told that the "A" part of the buffer
system is
> > basically the calcium buffer and that the "B" part was for Alkalinity.
If this
> > is true I should be able to step up the dosage of PART A without
drastically
> > changing my alkalinity. Does this make sense? Just FYI my Magnesium
level is
> > around 1100.
>
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>

[Dragon Slayer]

> Mg should be close to 1200 to get perfect levels. I never quite hit that
though.
>
> Marc
>


you use the Kent salt don't you Marc???

I use IO and my levels are at 1440 with a Salifert kit.

when you make that new Ca reactor just add some pure dolomite to your media
and it will help keep your levels up. adding Epsom salt will do it now,
just dissolve in RO/DI water and add to your tank.

kc

[Marc Levenson]

Thanks for the tip. Hopefully I'll remember it later. <Grin>

Got a guesstimate on how much Epsom to how much RO/DI water to get it up 'x'
amount of ppm?

Marc


Dragon Slayer wrote:

> > Mg should be close to 1200 to get perfect levels. I never quite hit that
> though.
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
> you use the Kent salt don't you Marc???
>
> I use IO and my levels are at 1440 with a Salifert kit.
>
> when you make that new Ca reactor just add some pure dolomite to your media
> and it will help keep your levels up. adding Epsom salt will do it now,
> just dissolve in RO/DI water and add to your tank.
>
> kc

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[Marc Levenson]

I didn't know for sure, that is why I said "maybe". :)

Marc


Dragon Slayer wrote:

> Kent products are bassakwards from ESV's in the Ca buffer system Marc.
>
> kc
>
>

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[Boomer]

Some Dolomite Marc, very little no more than a small hand full or you will have excess
Mg.You will never find pure dolomite, as it is a mineral. DS means dolomite/dolostone the
rock, as being as pure as possible. It will still contain a small % of CaCO3, 1-5 %.
Dolomite is CaMg(CO3)2. Pure Dolomitic rocks run about 95- 99% CaMg(CO3)2 and 1-5 % CaCO3.
Actually you would be better off with pure as possible 50-50 Dolomitic Limestone.Take
note, that the purity is based on the amount of CaCO3 to CaMg(CO3)2 and says nothing of
other components/impurities.
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"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message ...
: Thanks for the tip. Hopefully I'll remember it later. <Grin>
:
: Got a guesstimate on how much Epsom to how much RO/DI water to get it up 'x'
: amount of ppm?
:
: Marc
:
:
: Dragon Slayer wrote:
:
: > > Mg should be close to 1200 to get perfect levels. I never quite hit that
: > though.
: > >
: > > Marc
: > >
: >
: > you use the Kent salt don't you Marc???
: >
: > I use IO and my levels are at 1440 with a Salifert kit.
: >
: > when you make that new Ca reactor just add some pure dolomite to your media
: > and it will help keep your levels up. adding Epsom salt will do it now,
: > just dissolve in RO/DI water and add to your tank.
: >
: > kc
:
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[Boomer]

"If this
is true I should be able to step up the dosage of PART A without drastically
changing my alkalinity"

Yes

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"MakitaSalesRep" > wrote in message
...
: I have been using the 2 part buffer from Kent Marine but am having a little bit
: of a problem. I am trying to get my calcium level up from 350 without raising
: the alkalinity any higher. I was told that the "A" part of the buffer system is
: basically the calcium buffer and that the "B" part was for Alkalinity. If this
: is true I should be able to step up the dosage of PART A without drastically
: changing my alkalinity. Does this make sense? Just FYI my Magnesium level is
: around 1100.

[Dragon Slayer]

from my understanding Boomer that In dolomite (or dolomitic limestone), the
magnesium's occupy one layer by themselves then a carbonate layer which is
followed by an exclusively calcite layer. The magnesium ions are not the
same size as calcium and the two ions are not found in the same layer. In
calcite the structure is composed of alternating layers of carbonate ions,
CO3, and calcium ions.

cant say how much of the Eppsom salt will add X to X Marc, might ask RHF in
the chemestry forum about that for a better guess, i have always just used a
little at the time and tested becaue i did not know the harm of a massive up
in the Mg levels.

and as Boom said just adding a half cup or so of the dolomite in your
reactor will keep up and not over do it.

you used to be able to get dolomite as a substrate for your tank back in the
70's and 80's but it seams to be loosing its popularity in the past several
years and i have not seen it offered in quite some time localy to me
anyways. the so called 'pure dolomite' was a pinkish white CC looking
substrate, and then it started to come in different colored rocks similar to
fresh water gravels.


kc

[Dragon Slayer]

from my understanding Boomer that In dolomite (or dolomitic limestone), the
magnesium's occupy one layer by themselves then a carbonate layer which is
followed by an exclusively calcite layer. The magnesium ions are not the
same size as calcium and the two ions are not found in the same layer. In
calcite the structure is composed of alternating layers of carbonate ions,
CO3, and calcium ions.

cant say how much of the Eppsom salt will add X to X Marc, might ask RHF in
the chemestry forum about that for a better guess, i have always just used a
little at the time and tested becaue i did not know the harm of a massive up
in the Mg levels.

and as Boom said just adding a half cup or so of the dolomite in your
reactor will keep up and not over do it.

you used to be able to get dolomite as a substrate for your tank back in the
70's and 80's but it seams to be loosing its popularity in the past several
years and i have not seen it offered in quite some time localy to me
anyways. the so called 'pure dolomite' was a pinkish white CC looking
substrate, and then it started to come in different colored rocks similar to
fresh water gravels.


kc

[Dragon Slayer]

from my understanding Boomer that In dolomite (or dolomitic limestone), the
magnesium's occupy one layer by themselves then a carbonate layer which is
followed by an exclusively calcite layer. The magnesium ions are not the
same size as calcium and the two ions are not found in the same layer. In
calcite the structure is composed of alternating layers of carbonate ions,
CO3, and calcium ions.

cant say how much of the Eppsom salt will add X to X Marc, might ask RHF in
the chemestry forum about that for a better guess, i have always just used a
little at the time and tested becaue i did not know the harm of a massive up
in the Mg levels.

and as Boom said just adding a half cup or so of the dolomite in your
reactor will keep up and not over do it.

you used to be able to get dolomite as a substrate for your tank back in the
70's and 80's but it seams to be loosing its popularity in the past several
years and i have not seen it offered in quite some time localy to me
anyways. the so called 'pure dolomite' was a pinkish white CC looking
substrate, and then it started to come in different colored rocks similar to
fresh water gravels.


kc

[Dragon Slayer]

from my understanding Boomer that In dolomite (or dolomitic limestone), the
magnesium's occupy one layer by themselves then a carbonate layer which is
followed by an exclusively calcite layer. The magnesium ions are not the
same size as calcium and the two ions are not found in the same layer. In
calcite the structure is composed of alternating layers of carbonate ions,
CO3, and calcium ions.

cant say how much of the Eppsom salt will add X to X Marc, might ask RHF in
the chemestry forum about that for a better guess, i have always just used a
little at the time and tested becaue i did not know the harm of a massive up
in the Mg levels.

and as Boom said just adding a half cup or so of the dolomite in your
reactor will keep up and not over do it.

you used to be able to get dolomite as a substrate for your tank back in the
70's and 80's but it seams to be loosing its popularity in the past several
years and i have not seen it offered in quite some time localy to me
anyways. the so called 'pure dolomite' was a pinkish white CC looking
substrate, and then it started to come in different colored rocks similar to
fresh water gravels.


kc

[Dragon Slayer]

from my understanding Boomer that In dolomite (or dolomitic limestone), the
magnesium's occupy one layer by themselves then a carbonate layer which is
followed by an exclusively calcite layer. The magnesium ions are not the
same size as calcium and the two ions are not found in the same layer. In
calcite the structure is composed of alternating layers of carbonate ions,
CO3, and calcium ions.

cant say how much of the Eppsom salt will add X to X Marc, might ask RHF in
the chemestry forum about that for a better guess, i have always just used a
little at the time and tested becaue i did not know the harm of a massive up
in the Mg levels.

and as Boom said just adding a half cup or so of the dolomite in your
reactor will keep up and not over do it.

you used to be able to get dolomite as a substrate for your tank back in the
70's and 80's but it seams to be loosing its popularity in the past several
years and i have not seen it offered in quite some time localy to me
anyways. the so called 'pure dolomite' was a pinkish white CC looking
substrate, and then it started to come in different colored rocks similar to
fresh water gravels.


kc

[Dragon Slayer]

from my understanding Boomer that In dolomite (or dolomitic limestone), the
magnesium's occupy one layer by themselves then a carbonate layer which is
followed by an exclusively calcite layer. The magnesium ions are not the
same size as calcium and the two ions are not found in the same layer. In
calcite the structure is composed of alternating layers of carbonate ions,
CO3, and calcium ions.

cant say how much of the Eppsom salt will add X to X Marc, might ask RHF in
the chemestry forum about that for a better guess, i have always just used a
little at the time and tested becaue i did not know the harm of a massive up
in the Mg levels.

and as Boom said just adding a half cup or so of the dolomite in your
reactor will keep up and not over do it.

you used to be able to get dolomite as a substrate for your tank back in the
70's and 80's but it seams to be loosing its popularity in the past several
years and i have not seen it offered in quite some time localy to me
anyways. the so called 'pure dolomite' was a pinkish white CC looking
substrate, and then it started to come in different colored rocks similar to
fresh water gravels.


kc

[Boomer]

"from my understanding Boomer that In dolomite (or dolomitic limestone), the
magnesium's occupy one layer by themselves then a carbonate layer which is
followed by an exclusively calcite layer. The magnesium ions are not the
same size as calcium and the two ions are not found in the same layer. In
calcite the structure is composed of alternating layers of carbonate ions,
CO3, and calcium ions."

That is almost a copy paste from this;


http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/carbonat/dolomite/dolomite.htm

Dolomite differs from calcite, CaCO3, in the addition of magnesium ions to make the
formula, CaMg(CO3)2. The magnesium ions are not the same size as calcium and the two ions
seem incompatible in the same layer. In calcite the structure is composed of alternating
layers of carbonate ions, CO3, and calcium ions. In dolomite, the magnesiums occupy one
layer by themselves followed by a carbonate layer which is followed by an exclusively
calcite layer and so forth. Why the alternating layers? It is probably the significant
size difference between calcium and magnesium and it is more stable to group the differing
sized ions into same sized layers.

Dolomite is both a rock name and a mineral name. Dolomite the rock, also called Dolostone,
must contain at least 95 % Dolomite the mineral, to be called Dolomite/Dolostone the rock.
If value is less than this it is called Limetic Dolomite.When the rock is at least 95 %
Calcite and 5 % Dolomite it is called Limestone and if Dolomite is above 5% it is called
Dolomitic Limestone. So, you have a progression. Limestone (100-95)----->Dolomitic
Limestone(95-50)---->Limetic Dolomite ( or Calcite Dolomite)(50-95)---->Dolomite (0-5, %
' s are Calcite). Some authors just like to call anything in between Limestone and
Dolomite just Dolomitic Limestone. Most Dolomite is altered Limestone, a process called
Dolomitization

"you used to be able to get dolomite as a substrate for your tank back in the
70's and 80's "

Yes DS and you don't see much of it anymore, as you stated

Here is our stuff on Epsom Salt

http://reefcentral.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=2245114&sortby=las
tpost&sortorder=descending

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"Dragon Slayer" > wrote in message
...
: from my understanding Boomer that In dolomite (or dolomitic limestone), the
: magnesium's occupy one layer by themselves then a carbonate layer which is
: followed by an exclusively calcite layer. The magnesium ions are not the
: same size as calcium and the two ions are not found in the same layer. In
: calcite the structure is composed of alternating layers of carbonate ions,
: CO3, and calcium ions.
:
: cant say how much of the Eppsom salt will add X to X Marc, might ask RHF in
: the chemestry forum about that for a better guess, i have always just used a
: little at the time and tested becaue i did not know the harm of a massive up
: in the Mg levels.
:
: and as Boom said just adding a half cup or so of the dolomite in your
: reactor will keep up and not over do it.
:
: you used to be able to get dolomite as a substrate for your tank back in the
: 70's and 80's but it seams to be loosing its popularity in the past several
: years and i have not seen it offered in quite some time localy to me
: anyways. the so called 'pure dolomite' was a pinkish white CC looking
: substrate, and then it started to come in different colored rocks similar to
: fresh water gravels.
:
:
: kc
:
:
:
:
:
:

[Boomer]

So, you have a progression. Limestone (100-95)----->Dolomitic
Limestone(95-50)---->Limetic Dolomite ( or Calcite Dolomite)(50-95)---->Dolomite (0-5, %
' s are Calcite).

Should have been

So, you have a progression. Limestone (100-95)----->Dolomitic
Limestone(95-50)---->Limetic Dolomite ( or Calcite Dolomite)**(50-5)---->Dolomite (5-0, %
' s are Calcite).


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"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
: "from my understanding Boomer that In dolomite (or dolomitic limestone), the
: magnesium's occupy one layer by themselves then a carbonate layer which is
: followed by an exclusively calcite layer. The magnesium ions are not the
: same size as calcium and the two ions are not found in the same layer. In
: calcite the structure is composed of alternating layers of carbonate ions,
: CO3, and calcium ions."
:
: That is almost a copy paste from this;
:
:
: http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/carbonat/dolomite/dolomite.htm
:
: Dolomite differs from calcite, CaCO3, in the addition of magnesium ions to make the
: formula, CaMg(CO3)2. The magnesium ions are not the same size as calcium and the two
ions
: seem incompatible in the same layer. In calcite the structure is composed of alternating
: layers of carbonate ions, CO3, and calcium ions. In dolomite, the magnesiums occupy one
: layer by themselves followed by a carbonate layer which is followed by an exclusively
: calcite layer and so forth. Why the alternating layers? It is probably the significant
: size difference between calcium and magnesium and it is more stable to group the
differing
: sized ions into same sized layers.
:
: Dolomite is both a rock name and a mineral name. Dolomite the rock, also called
Dolostone,
: must contain at least 95 % Dolomite the mineral, to be called Dolomite/Dolostone the
rock.
: If value is less than this it is called Limetic Dolomite.When the rock is at least 95 %
: Calcite and 5 % Dolomite it is called Limestone and if Dolomite is above 5% it is called
: Dolomitic Limestone. So, you have a progression. Limestone (100-95)----->Dolomitic
: Limestone(95-50)---->Limetic Dolomite ( or Calcite Dolomite)(50-95)---->Dolomite (0-5,
%
: ' s are Calcite). Some authors just like to call anything in between Limestone and
: Dolomite just Dolomitic Limestone. Most Dolomite is altered Limestone, a process called
: Dolomitization
:
: "you used to be able to get dolomite as a substrate for your tank back in the
: 70's and 80's "
:
: Yes DS and you don't see much of it anymore, as you stated
:
: Here is our stuff on Epsom Salt
:
:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=2245114&sortby=las
: tpost&sortorder=descending
:
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: "Dragon Slayer" > wrote in message
: ...
: : from my understanding Boomer that In dolomite (or dolomitic limestone), the
: : magnesium's occupy one layer by themselves then a carbonate layer which is
: : followed by an exclusively calcite layer. The magnesium ions are not the
: : same size as calcium and the two ions are not found in the same layer. In
: : calcite the structure is composed of alternating layers of carbonate ions,
: : CO3, and calcium ions.
: :
: : cant say how much of the Eppsom salt will add X to X Marc, might ask RHF in
: : the chemestry forum about that for a better guess, i have always just used a
: : little at the time and tested becaue i did not know the harm of a massive up
: : in the Mg levels.
: :
: : and as Boom said just adding a half cup or so of the dolomite in your
: : reactor will keep up and not over do it.
: :
: : you used to be able to get dolomite as a substrate for your tank back in the
: : 70's and 80's but it seams to be loosing its popularity in the past several
: : years and i have not seen it offered in quite some time localy to me
: : anyways. the so called 'pure dolomite' was a pinkish white CC looking
: : substrate, and then it started to come in different colored rocks similar to
: : fresh water gravels.
: :
: :
: : kc
: :
: :
: :
: :
: :
: :
:
:

[Dragon Slayer]

>
> That is almost a copy paste from this;
>
>
> http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/carbonat/dolomite/dolomite.htm
>


not sure where I got the info from, it is in some notes I have collected
over the years.

kc