How much light?

[Adam]

I'm now on my second anemone (both surviving) in my 30 gallon reef tank. I
have noticed that both of them tend to move out of direct light. One (the
new one) wants to go to the back of the tank and hide partially under the
live rock. The other is in the front but partially under a LR ledge. So my
question is what are the lighting requirements for these fellows? My tank
currently has one 10,000K, 65 Watt daylight and one 65 Watt actinic about 3
1/2 inches from the top of the tanks glass cover. No reflector. The
anemones are 1 BTA and 1 long tentacled anemone. Also the LTA doesn't want
to stay attached after the lights go out. Any idea why this might be?
Thanks for any help anyone can offer.

Ed

[Marc Levenson]

Ed,

I'd remove the glass covers regardless. It traps heat and inhibits good gas
exchange.

Anemones do need excellent lighting, but also know to protect themselves from
too much. Odds are they are simply getting used to your setup and trying to
find a spot they like. It is rare that an anemone doesn't like any light at
all, because they need to continue to fuel the symbiotic algae (zooanthellae),
which produces sugars that give the anemone energy.

They also need to be fed.

Marc


Adam wrote:

> I'm now on my second anemone (both surviving) in my 30 gallon reef tank. I
> have noticed that both of them tend to move out of direct light. One (the
> new one) wants to go to the back of the tank and hide partially under the
> live rock. The other is in the front but partially under a LR ledge. So my
> question is what are the lighting requirements for these fellows? My tank
> currently has one 10,000K, 65 Watt daylight and one 65 Watt actinic about 3
> 1/2 inches from the top of the tanks glass cover. No reflector. The
> anemones are 1 BTA and 1 long tentacled anemone. Also the LTA doesn't want
> to stay attached after the lights go out. Any idea why this might be?
> Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
>
> Ed

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[Adam]

Marc,

Not sure if you got my email or not but here are the pictures. Let me know
if you see anything that could be done better.
http://webpages.charter.net/sal****er/

Thanks

Ed


"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> Ed,
>
> I'd remove the glass covers regardless. It traps heat and inhibits good
gas
> exchange.
>
> Anemones do need excellent lighting, but also know to protect themselves
from
> too much. Odds are they are simply getting used to your setup and trying
to
> find a spot they like. It is rare that an anemone doesn't like any light
at
> all, because they need to continue to fuel the symbiotic algae
(zooanthellae),
> which produces sugars that give the anemone energy.
>
> They also need to be fed.
>
> Marc
>
>
> Adam wrote:
>
> > I'm now on my second anemone (both surviving) in my 30 gallon reef tank.
I
> > have noticed that both of them tend to move out of direct light. One
(the
> > new one) wants to go to the back of the tank and hide partially under
the
> > live rock. The other is in the front but partially under a LR ledge.
So my
> > question is what are the lighting requirements for these fellows? My
tank
> > currently has one 10,000K, 65 Watt daylight and one 65 Watt actinic
about 3
> > 1/2 inches from the top of the tanks glass cover. No reflector. The
> > anemones are 1 BTA and 1 long tentacled anemone. Also the LTA doesn't
want
> > to stay attached after the lights go out. Any idea why this might be?
> > Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
> >
> > Ed
>
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> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
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>
>

[Marc Levenson]

1.jpg is a Toadstool Leather
3.jpg is Green Star Polyps
5.jpg and 6.jpg & 8.jpg are Pulsing Xenia. Possibly PomPom Xenia, to be exact.
7.jpg is a Brittle star, because it isn't smooth like a serpent star.
9.jpg is a Zoanthid! Those are very popular and easy to keep if the water
quality stays steady.
11.jpg is a Gold Stripe Maroon Clown, not a Yellow Stripe.
The 'blue' light is "actinic"

Looks good so far. I did get your email, and will reply shortly.

Marc


Adam wrote:

> Marc,
>
> Not sure if you got my email or not but here are the pictures. Let me know
> if you see anything that could be done better.
> http://webpages.charter.net/sal****er/
>
> Thanks
>
> Ed
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ed,
> >
> > I'd remove the glass covers regardless. It traps heat and inhibits good
> gas
> > exchange.
> >
> > Anemones do need excellent lighting, but also know to protect themselves
> from
> > too much. Odds are they are simply getting used to your setup and trying
> to
> > find a spot they like. It is rare that an anemone doesn't like any light
> at
> > all, because they need to continue to fuel the symbiotic algae
> (zooanthellae),
> > which produces sugars that give the anemone energy.
> >
> > They also need to be fed.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > Adam wrote:
> >
> > > I'm now on my second anemone (both surviving) in my 30 gallon reef tank.
> I
> > > have noticed that both of them tend to move out of direct light. One
> (the
> > > new one) wants to go to the back of the tank and hide partially under
> the
> > > live rock. The other is in the front but partially under a LR ledge.
> So my
> > > question is what are the lighting requirements for these fellows? My
> tank
> > > currently has one 10,000K, 65 Watt daylight and one 65 Watt actinic
> about 3
> > > 1/2 inches from the top of the tanks glass cover. No reflector. The
> > > anemones are 1 BTA and 1 long tentacled anemone. Also the LTA doesn't
> want
> > > to stay attached after the lights go out. Any idea why this might be?
> > > Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
> > >
> > > Ed
> >
> > --
> > Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> >
> >

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[Richard Reynolds]

just to be a pita

> 11.jpg is a Gold Stripe Maroon Clown, not a Yellow Stripe.


though they are called GSM's more often yellow stripe maroon clown is also the same fish

> Marc


--
Richard Reynolds

[Marc Levenson]

How rude.... <grin>

Okay, I can live with that. They do turn gold as they get older though. Maybe Yellow for
juveniles; Gold for adults?

Marc


Richard Reynolds wrote:

> just to be a pita
>
> > 11.jpg is a Gold Stripe Maroon Clown, not a Yellow Stripe.
>
> though they are called GSM's more often yellow stripe maroon clown is also the same fish
>
> > Marc
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>

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[Adam]

Thanks Marc. As usual you came through. I'm hoping to transfer the entire
tank to a 55 gallon here pretty soon. Any special problems I should know
about before I attempt this?

Again thanks for the names and for taking a look.

Ed

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> 1.jpg is a Toadstool Leather
> 3.jpg is Green Star Polyps
> 5.jpg and 6.jpg & 8.jpg are Pulsing Xenia. Possibly PomPom Xenia, to be
exact.
> 7.jpg is a Brittle star, because it isn't smooth like a serpent star.
> 9.jpg is a Zoanthid! Those are very popular and easy to keep if the water
> quality stays steady.
> 11.jpg is a Gold Stripe Maroon Clown, not a Yellow Stripe.
> The 'blue' light is "actinic"
>
> Looks good so far. I did get your email, and will reply shortly.
>
> Marc
>
>
> Adam wrote:
>
> > Marc,
> >
> > Not sure if you got my email or not but here are the pictures. Let me
know
> > if you see anything that could be done better.
> > http://webpages.charter.net/sal****er/
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Ed,
> > >
> > > I'd remove the glass covers regardless. It traps heat and inhibits
good
> > gas
> > > exchange.
> > >
> > > Anemones do need excellent lighting, but also know to protect
themselves
> > from
> > > too much. Odds are they are simply getting used to your setup and
trying
> > to
> > > find a spot they like. It is rare that an anemone doesn't like any
light
> > at
> > > all, because they need to continue to fuel the symbiotic algae
> > (zooanthellae),
> > > which produces sugars that give the anemone energy.
> > >
> > > They also need to be fed.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > > Adam wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm now on my second anemone (both surviving) in my 30 gallon reef
tank.
> > I
> > > > have noticed that both of them tend to move out of direct light.
One
> > (the
> > > > new one) wants to go to the back of the tank and hide partially
under
> > the
> > > > live rock. The other is in the front but partially under a LR
ledge.
> > So my
> > > > question is what are the lighting requirements for these fellows?
My
> > tank
> > > > currently has one 10,000K, 65 Watt daylight and one 65 Watt actinic
> > about 3
> > > > 1/2 inches from the top of the tanks glass cover. No reflector.
The
> > > > anemones are 1 BTA and 1 long tentacled anemone. Also the LTA
doesn't
> > want
> > > > to stay attached after the lights go out. Any idea why this might
be?
> > > > Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > >
> > > --
> > > Personal Page:
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> > > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>
>

[Richard Reynolds]

> How rude.... <grin>
hehehe

> Okay, I can live with that. They do turn gold as they get older though. Maybe Yellow
for
> juveniles; Gold for adults?

I think its like area or something ??? maybee even as much as what the supliers call
them??

ive seen it writen both ways in higher articles and books

both refering to p. biaculeatus (bia * cul * eat * us) at least i think i got my cutsie
name thingie right :)

as for juv. real juv are actually white striped but they do tend to go from a white >>
yellow >> and even more golden as they age ????

also good food will bring out that gold color.

--
Richard Reynolds

[Marc Levenson]

Hi Ed (btw, why does it always say Adam?)....

I can't think of anything specific besides the inherant dangers of moving a DSB,
as you'll be unearthing sections that are oxygen free (for a reason). I would
recommend setting up the new tank with new sand and using a few cups of your
current sand as seed for a new DSB.

Or is this DSB very very young? How soon will you move to the larger tank?

Marc


Adam wrote:

> Thanks Marc. As usual you came through. I'm hoping to transfer the entire
> tank to a 55 gallon here pretty soon. Any special problems I should know
> about before I attempt this?
>
> Again thanks for the names and for taking a look.
>
> Ed
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > 1.jpg is a Toadstool Leather
> > 3.jpg is Green Star Polyps
> > 5.jpg and 6.jpg & 8.jpg are Pulsing Xenia. Possibly PomPom Xenia, to be
> exact.
> > 7.jpg is a Brittle star, because it isn't smooth like a serpent star.
> > 9.jpg is a Zoanthid! Those are very popular and easy to keep if the water
> > quality stays steady.
> > 11.jpg is a Gold Stripe Maroon Clown, not a Yellow Stripe.
> > The 'blue' light is "actinic"
> >
> > Looks good so far. I did get your email, and will reply shortly.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > Adam wrote:
> >
> > > Marc,
> > >
> > > Not sure if you got my email or not but here are the pictures. Let me
> know
> > > if you see anything that could be done better.
> > > http://webpages.charter.net/sal****er/
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Ed,
> > > >
> > > > I'd remove the glass covers regardless. It traps heat and inhibits
> good
> > > gas
> > > > exchange.
> > > >
> > > > Anemones do need excellent lighting, but also know to protect
> themselves
> > > from
> > > > too much. Odds are they are simply getting used to your setup and
> trying
> > > to
> > > > find a spot they like. It is rare that an anemone doesn't like any
> light
> > > at
> > > > all, because they need to continue to fuel the symbiotic algae
> > > (zooanthellae),
> > > > which produces sugars that give the anemone energy.
> > > >
> > > > They also need to be fed.
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Adam wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm now on my second anemone (both surviving) in my 30 gallon reef
> tank.
> > > I
> > > > > have noticed that both of them tend to move out of direct light.
> One
> > > (the
> > > > > new one) wants to go to the back of the tank and hide partially
> under
> > > the
> > > > > live rock. The other is in the front but partially under a LR
> ledge.
> > > So my
> > > > > question is what are the lighting requirements for these fellows?
> My
> > > tank
> > > > > currently has one 10,000K, 65 Watt daylight and one 65 Watt actinic
> > > about 3
> > > > > 1/2 inches from the top of the tanks glass cover. No reflector.
> The
> > > > > anemones are 1 BTA and 1 long tentacled anemone. Also the LTA
> doesn't
> > > want
> > > > > to stay attached after the lights go out. Any idea why this might
> be?
> > > > > Thanks for any help anyone can offer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Personal Page:
> http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> > > > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > > > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> >
> >

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[Adam]

Howdy Marc,

I explained the Adam thing back when I first started posting on here. I
think it was to Richard R. the first time but I've noticed that if you are
here long enough you start to see the same questions again (cycle time seems
to be about 6 months for most questions other that the common ones) :-)
Anyhoot, About 100 years ago I ran a BBS system in Virginia Beach, VA
(before the internet caught on). It was called The Garden of Eden. I've
used the name Adam for online every since then. BTW, yes the wife does go
by Eve. My real name is Edward.

The tank is 6 or 8 months established and here of late I have really seen
life (previously unnoticed life forms) pick up in there. I think I'll just
leave it alone and have a 30 (29 actually) and a 55. The 55 is already
established also but it is currently a FO w/LS I guess I'll just pull out
all the tacky decorations and start adding live rock and all the rest.
Thanks for letting me know about the no O2 thing. BTW, What is the reason
for that?

Ed (or Adam I'll answer to either) :-)

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Ed (btw, why does it always say Adam?)....
>
> I can't think of anything specific besides the inherant dangers of moving
a DSB,
> as you'll be unearthing sections that are oxygen free (for a reason). I
would
> recommend setting up the new tank with new sand and using a few cups of
your
> current sand as seed for a new DSB.
>
> Or is this DSB very very young? How soon will you move to the larger
tank?
>
> Marc
>
>
> Adam wrote:
>
> > Thanks Marc. As usual you came through. I'm hoping to transfer the
entire
> > tank to a 55 gallon here pretty soon. Any special problems I should
know
> > about before I attempt this?
> >
> > Again thanks for the names and for taking a look.
> >
> > Ed

[Marc Levenson]

You did mention that before, and I totally forgot about it. I used to go by
Pioneer 20 years ago. Good times....

The lack of oxygen helps in the breakdown of nitrates to nitrogen gas, which
rise and pop on the surface of the water. Others here with greater interest in
this topic can explain it almost to a molecular level. :)

Marc


Adam wrote:

> Howdy Marc,
>
> I explained the Adam thing back when I first started posting on here. I
> think it was to Richard R. the first time but I've noticed that if you are
> here long enough you start to see the same questions again (cycle time seems
> to be about 6 months for most questions other that the common ones) :-)
> Anyhoot, About 100 years ago I ran a BBS system in Virginia Beach, VA
> (before the internet caught on). It was called The Garden of Eden. I've
> used the name Adam for online every since then. BTW, yes the wife does go
> by Eve. My real name is Edward.
>
> The tank is 6 or 8 months established and here of late I have really seen
> life (previously unnoticed life forms) pick up in there. I think I'll just
> leave it alone and have a 30 (29 actually) and a 55. The 55 is already
> established also but it is currently a FO w/LS I guess I'll just pull out
> all the tacky decorations and start adding live rock and all the rest.
> Thanks for letting me know about the no O2 thing. BTW, What is the reason
> for that?
>
> Ed (or Adam I'll answer to either) :-)
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Ed (btw, why does it always say Adam?)....
> >
> > I can't think of anything specific besides the inherant dangers of moving
> a DSB,
> > as you'll be unearthing sections that are oxygen free (for a reason). I
> would
> > recommend setting up the new tank with new sand and using a few cups of
> your
> > current sand as seed for a new DSB.
> >
> > Or is this DSB very very young? How soon will you move to the larger
> tank?
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > Adam wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Marc. As usual you came through. I'm hoping to transfer the
> entire
> > > tank to a 55 gallon here pretty soon. Any special problems I should
> know
> > > about before I attempt this?
> > >
> > > Again thanks for the names and for taking a look.
> > >
> > > Ed

--
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[Adam]

> The lack of oxygen helps in the breakdown of nitrates to nitrogen gas,
which
> rise and pop on the surface of the water. Others here with greater
interest in
> this topic can explain it almost to a molecular level. :)

Thanks. As for the molecular thing, no thanks I have enough trouble
remembering all the stuff I have learned about fish keeping so far... :-)

Ed