How TO: Do it Yourself SUMP TANK??

[jj]

Hi, I have 30Galon tank that I would like to convert to a sump tank. Is
there any description how to make it or detail pictures?
besides, I woudl like to know what pump should I use, what diameter of the
hoses.Will pump the water 4 feet high.
All help will be appreciated.
I will use it with my 45Gal reef tank.
Jack - Toronto Canada

[Marc Levenson]

Check my site for tons of info. Here's a shortcut:
http://www.melevsreef.com/allmysumps.html

Plumbing you'll create via your ingenuity. Plan on a Mag 5 or Mag 7 for your
return pump. 1" plumbing would be best, even if it looks big. I would suggest
using "thinwall" pvc, because the inner diameter is 7/8" wide. Thinwall is used
for sprinker systems and should be readily available at your hardware store.

Marc


jj wrote:

> Hi, I have 30Galon tank that I would like to convert to a sump tank. Is
> there any description how to make it or detail pictures?
> besides, I woudl like to know what pump should I use, what diameter of the
> hoses.Will pump the water 4 feet high.
> All help will be appreciated.
> I will use it with my 45Gal reef tank.
> Jack - Toronto Canada

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[TomW]

Thinwall PVC... is that the grey (vs. white) tubing that I see in so many of
your pictures?

-Tom

[Marc Levenson]

I only have white pvc plumbing, that has aged. Nothing gray that I'm aware of,
besides a few shots of the 55g with the plumbing that came with it. That has
all be replaced.

Marc


TomW wrote:

> Thinwall PVC... is that the grey (vs. white) tubing that I see in so many of
> your pictures?
>
> -Tom

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[TomW]

Oops, Sorry. Must have been another site. Still, Thinwall PVC. Great tip!
I learn something almost every time I read this group.

-TomW

[Dragon Slayer]

Thin wall is called "Schedule 80" and the thick is called "Schedule 40"

the schedule 80 is rated at 200 psi in 1" size and the schedule 40 is rated
for 450 psi in 1" size. (as the size of pipe gets larger the psi gets lower
FWIW)

hth
kc

"TomW" > wrote in message
...
> Thinwall PVC... is that the grey (vs. white) tubing that I see in so many
of
> your pictures?
>
> -Tom
>
>

[Mort]

Is your thin wall the same as Schedule 40?

~Mort

[Mort]

kc,

I have to disagree with you. I am in the HVAC business and I sell PVC
for many applications in our field. Perhaps you got them confused but Sch.
40 is white, is thinner, and has a lower rating than Sch. 80 which is gray.

1" Sch 40 is rated at 450psi but only at 73 degrees F. and has a wall
thickness of .133"

1" Sch 80 is rated at 630psi at 73 degrees F and has a wall thickness of
..179"

There is a thinner white PVC than sch 40. Often reffered to as PR160 or sch
20. Being that they both are white, I was trying to determine which one
Marc is using as "thin" wall is a relative term.

Reguards,

~Mort


"Dragon Slayer" > wrote in message
...
> Thin wall is called "Schedule 80" and the thick is called "Schedule 40"
>
> the schedule 80 is rated at 200 psi in 1" size and the schedule 40 is
rated
> for 450 psi in 1" size. (as the size of pipe gets larger the psi gets
lower
> FWIW)
>
> hth
> kc
>
> "TomW" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thinwall PVC... is that the grey (vs. white) tubing that I see in so
many
> of
> > your pictures?
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> >
>
>

[Dragon Slayer]

"Mort" > wrote in message
m...
> kc,
>
> I have to disagree with you. I am in the HVAC business and I sell PVC
> for many applications in our field. Perhaps you got them confused but
Sch.
> 40 is white, is thinner, and has a lower rating than Sch. 80 which is
gray.


I wont say your wrong because things may be different in your part of the
world, but what I posted is the standard for all the south eastern US.
here is a pic:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/29872pvc.jpg

this link also shows the sch 80 in white.

http://www.deanbennett.com/smallersize-tfj-pipe.htm

all the hardware stores I have ever been to only carry sch 80 in white.
the gray is a UV resistant form of PVC the color doesn't denote Sch size.

as always YMMV

kc

[Richard Reynolds]

> 40 is white, is thinner, and has a lower rating than Sch. 80 which is gray.

I thought the color of the PVC had something to do with what its used for

white is for cold water and dwv
green is for sewer use
I thought the light grey pvc was not for potable use, for use in things like electric runs
and umm dark grey for something else maybee same as grey but under pressure ???
i think yellow and pink are for gas one is like above ground the other is below ground ???


i know there is a standard, but i dont know if thats 100% on

--
Richard Reynolds

[Mort]

> I wont say your wrong because things may be different in your part of the
> world, but what I posted is the standard for all the south eastern US.
> here is a pic:
>
> http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/29872pvc.jpg
>
> this link also shows the sch 80 in white.
>
> http://www.deanbennett.com/smallersize-tfj-pipe.htm
>
> all the hardware stores I have ever been to only carry sch 80 in white.
> the gray is a UV resistant form of PVC the color doesn't denote Sch size.
>
> as always YMMV
>
> kc
>
>


I have heard of white sch 80 but I've never seen it. Maybe there is
something to this but IME, the higher the schedule the thicker and higher
the pressure rating.

I'd like to find out more about that pic from reef central.

I'll look in to this tomorrow at work and let you know what I find =)

~Mort

[Mort]

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:UR0Sb.1204$gl2.544@lakeread05...
> > 40 is white, is thinner, and has a lower rating than Sch. 80 which is
gray.
>
> I thought the color of the PVC had something to do with what its used for
>
> white is for cold water and dwv
> green is for sewer use
> I thought the light grey pvc was not for potable use, for use in things
like electric runs
> and umm dark grey for something else maybee same as grey but under
pressure ???
> i think yellow and pink are for gas one is like above ground the other is
below ground ???
>
>
> i know there is a standard, but i dont know if thats 100% on
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>
>
>
>

That is pretty close Rich but unfortunately there is not a SET standard.
I've seen just about everything you've mentioned but there are deviants from
color.

~Mort

[Dragon Slayer]

I mentioned in an earlier post the Gray is 'supposed' to be UV resistant.

in the old days it was always recommended that if you use white pvc in the
open (in sunlight) then you needed to paint it with a white paint to prevent
UV rays from making it brittle. the gray was the answer to not having to
paint it, it is safe for potable water as well.

the black abs is the only one that is recommended to use as only a drain
pipe.

kc

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:UR0Sb.1204$gl2.544@lakeread05...
> > 40 is white, is thinner, and has a lower rating than Sch. 80 which is
gray.
>
> I thought the color of the PVC had something to do with what its used for
>
> white is for cold water and dwv
> green is for sewer use
> I thought the light grey pvc was not for potable use, for use in things
like electric runs
> and umm dark grey for something else maybee same as grey but under
pressure ???
> i think yellow and pink are for gas one is like above ground the other is
below ground ???
>
>
> i know there is a standard, but i dont know if thats 100% on
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>
>
>