I lost my clowns in less than 48 hours and bummed.

Even though I've been out for a couple years I'm not use to loses for no reason.
Ok heres the deal the tank was set up Jan 6 with my old rock that had been sitting
in water for 2yrs. after a week I introduced a yellow tail damsel. everything is fine.
green algae started last week, all good. mon. I dropped by a lfs near work to get some
snails,( $6 each, FU) on the way out I noticed some baby perc's that had been there 2 weeks
ago.sale 2 for $15 , ahh **** I wasn't ready yet but I they looked good and at that price too tempting.

temp. 75-80
Ph high side of 8.4 (a little high)
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0

The fish spent half hour floating then slowing added tank water over the next 1hr and half.
My thoughts are
A: damel tortured them to death
B: I had the current too stong for them

There is plenty of rock to hide in.
The wife just reminded me that years ago I had bought a goby from them that didn't survive.
( I also watched that one for a couple weeks)
but should of because the tank was really well established and pleanty of life in the bed for it.

Just bummed and rambling again


Any thoughts?


Thanks

[Mort]

Zues, I can almost guarentee it was NOT from too strong of a current. (then
again, I dont know how small the "babies" were)

I would suspect your pH. Babies are more sensative to rapid shifts in pH.

Can you find out what the pH was of their LFS water?

~Mort



> wrote in message
...
> Even though I've been out for a couple years I'm not use to loses for no
reason.
> Ok heres the deal the tank was set up Jan 6 with my old rock that had been
sitting
> in water for 2yrs. after a week I introduced a yellow tail damsel.
everything is fine.
> green algae started last week, all good. mon. I dropped by a lfs near work
to get some
> snails,( $6 each, FU) on the way out I noticed some baby perc's that had
been there 2 weeks
> ago.sale 2 for $15 , ahh **** I wasn't ready yet but I they looked good
and at that price too tempting.
>
> temp. 75-80
> Ph high side of 8.4 (a little high)
> Ammonia 0
> Nitrite 0
>
> The fish spent half hour floating then slowing added tank water over the
next 1hr and half.
> My thoughts are
> A: damel tortured them to death
> B: I had the current too stong for them
>
> There is plenty of rock to hide in.
> The wife just reminded me that years ago I had bought a goby from them
that didn't survive.
> ( I also watched that one for a couple weeks)
> but should of because the tank was really well established and pleanty of
life in the bed for it.
>
> Just bummed and rambling again
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>

[skozzy]

The method of letting water into a bag over time in my experiance is the
main cause to early fish death. I now have a small 1 foot tank that I poor
the bag into, the water depth is enough for the fish to swim in, then I use
2 air hoses from the main tank to the small tank and syphon water into it,
the 1 foot tank fills up in 1 hour and 15 mins, I then drain that to almost
empty and fill again, then I just tip then into the main tank or just net
them, depending on the fish.

So far to date no fish loss. I use this method for fresh and salt stuff.


> wrote in message
...
> Even though I've been out for a couple years I'm not use to loses for no
reason.
> Ok heres the deal the tank was set up Jan 6 with my old rock that had been
sitting
> in water for 2yrs. after a week I introduced a yellow tail damsel.
everything is fine.
> green algae started last week, all good. mon. I dropped by a lfs near work
to get some
> snails,( $6 each, FU) on the way out I noticed some baby perc's that had
been there 2 weeks
> ago.sale 2 for $15 , ahh **** I wasn't ready yet but I they looked good
and at that price too tempting.
>
> temp. 75-80
> Ph high side of 8.4 (a little high)
> Ammonia 0
> Nitrite 0
>
> The fish spent half hour floating then slowing added tank water over the
next 1hr and half.
> My thoughts are
> A: damel tortured them to death
> B: I had the current too stong for them
>
> There is plenty of rock to hide in.
> The wife just reminded me that years ago I had bought a goby from them
that didn't survive.
> ( I also watched that one for a couple weeks)
> but should of because the tank was really well established and pleanty of
life in the bed for it.
>
> Just bummed and rambling again
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>

[Harald]

"skozzy" > wrote in message
...
> The method of letting water into a bag over time in my experiance is the
> main cause to early fish death. I now have a small 1 foot tank that I poor
> the bag into, the water depth is enough for the fish to swim in, then I
use
> 2 air hoses from the main tank to the small tank and syphon water into it,
> the 1 foot tank fills up in 1 hour and 15 mins, I then drain that to
almost
> empty and fill again, then I just tip then into the main tank or just net
> them, depending on the fish.
>
> So far to date no fish loss. I use this method for fresh and salt stuff.
>
That's a good way to do it. I'm looking at changing my acclimation
procedures too. I'm going to build myself a little drip line and place the
animals in a bowl or small tank. The only issue I can see is that if I'm
adding more then one fish at a time, it can get to be a pain, unless I have
multiple lines & bowls/tanks.

--
Harald
130 g Skimmerless SW Tank
290 lbs/6" DSB
70 lbs LR
3 B/G Chromis, 1 Tomato Clown, 1 Lawnmower Blenny, 1 Foxface, 1 Blue Regal,
1 Cleaner Wrasse, 1 soft coral.


33 gal Skimmerless SW Nano
80 lbs/6" DSB
39 lbs LR,
1 - Yellow Wrasse, 1 Decorated FireFish, 2 Bangaii Cardinals

the pH at the lfs is 8.2 I was in a hurry this morn and forgot to grab a sample of my
water for them. the clowns were about the size of my thumb nail.
I have 2 Penguin's a 660 and a 1400 on either ends of the tank and the skimmer.
after a hour or so after putting them in I shut down the 1400






Zues, I can almost guarentee it was NOT from too strong of a current. (then
again, I dont know how small the "babies" were)

I would suspect your pH. Babies are more sensative to rapid shifts in pH.

Can you find out what the pH was of their LFS water?

~Mort



> wrote in message
...
> Even though I've been out for a couple years I'm not use to loses for no
reason.
> Ok heres the deal the tank was set up Jan 6 with my old rock that had been
sitting
> in water for 2yrs. after a week I introduced a yellow tail damsel.
everything is fine.
> green algae started last week, all good. mon. I dropped by a lfs near work
to get some
> snails,( $6 each, FU) on the way out I noticed some baby perc's that had
been there 2 weeks
> ago.sale 2 for $15 , ahh **** I wasn't ready yet but I they looked good
and at that price too tempting.
>
> temp. 75-80
> Ph high side of 8.4 (a little high)
> Ammonia 0
> Nitrite 0
>
> The fish spent half hour floating then slowing added tank water over the
next 1hr and half.
> My thoughts are
> A: damel tortured them to death
> B: I had the current too stong for them
>
> There is plenty of rock to hide in.
> The wife just reminded me that years ago I had bought a goby from them
that didn't survive.
> ( I also watched that one for a couple weeks)
> but should of because the tank was really well established and pleanty of
life in the bed for it.
>
> Just bummed and rambling again
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>




**********End Of Post*************

[skozzy]

My small introduction tank I put on a chair, and I often drain from the main
tank using 2 air hoses, into the small tank, then drain with a single air
hose into the sump which sits below the chair, it's a very slow process, but
it surely works great for me.

"Harald" > wrote in message
news:G8gSb.41377$oj2.6367@edtnps89...
> "skozzy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The method of letting water into a bag over time in my experiance is the
> > main cause to early fish death. I now have a small 1 foot tank that I
poor
> > the bag into, the water depth is enough for the fish to swim in, then I
> use
> > 2 air hoses from the main tank to the small tank and syphon water into
it,
> > the 1 foot tank fills up in 1 hour and 15 mins, I then drain that to
> almost
> > empty and fill again, then I just tip then into the main tank or just
net
> > them, depending on the fish.
> >
> > So far to date no fish loss. I use this method for fresh and salt stuff.
> >
> That's a good way to do it. I'm looking at changing my acclimation
> procedures too. I'm going to build myself a little drip line and place the
> animals in a bowl or small tank. The only issue I can see is that if I'm
> adding more then one fish at a time, it can get to be a pain, unless I
have
> multiple lines & bowls/tanks.
>
> --
> Harald
> 130 g Skimmerless SW Tank
> 290 lbs/6" DSB
> 70 lbs LR
> 3 B/G Chromis, 1 Tomato Clown, 1 Lawnmower Blenny, 1 Foxface, 1 Blue
Regal,
> 1 Cleaner Wrasse, 1 soft coral.
>
>
> 33 gal Skimmerless SW Nano
> 80 lbs/6" DSB
> 39 lbs LR,
> 1 - Yellow Wrasse, 1 Decorated FireFish, 2 Bangaii Cardinals
>
>