Green Mandarin

[Mort]

Anyone have experience with these? I think I remember Marc said he had one?

I've read that they live off of copepods and amphipods (spelling?). Isn't
that BAD for a reef?

I saw one of these at an LFS and it was love at first sight!

PLEASE tell me they're okay. =)

~Mort

[Richard Reynolds]

> Anyone have experience with these?
yep lots :)

> I think I remember Marc said he had one?
think he does:)


> I've read that they live off of copepods and amphipods (spelling?). Isn't
> that BAD for a reef?

add isopods, but basically small inverts including small worms.

its only bad for the reef if your reef does not have a population that can support the
mandarin

> I saw one of these at an LFS and it was love at first sight!

you and me both.

> PLEASE tell me they're okay. =)
I know you have posted your tank config before but I cant remember how to spell my own
name, so your tank is way out of my head, you will have to tell us again what you have,
really what we need to know is size/amount of liverock/time established

and optionally if you either have or are willing to use one of many available pod kits.

> ~Mort



--
Richard Reynolds

[Dan of New Jersey]

My mandarin is my favorite fish. I feeds off the reef. You will need a well
established reef with lots of LR. Feeding off the reef does not hurt it, and
you can "grow" copepods with Phytoplex or BioPlankton. This is an ongoing
process to keep the copepod level up in the tank. Make sure that it is the
only fish to feed this way and you will be fine. They have been known to
starve to death. They will not, usually, look at flake or live food. I have
110 lbs of LR in a 90 gallon. I also grow copepods in my refugium... With
adequate food supply, they do great...


"Mort" > wrote in message
m...
> Anyone have experience with these? I think I remember Marc said he had
one?
>
> I've read that they live off of copepods and amphipods (spelling?). Isn't
> that BAD for a reef?
>
> I saw one of these at an LFS and it was love at first sight!
>
> PLEASE tell me they're okay. =)
>
> ~Mort
>
>
>

[Mort]

> I know you have posted your tank config before but I cant remember how to
spell my own
> name, so your tank is way out of my head, you will have to tell us again
what you have,
> really what we need to know is size/amount of liverock/time established


I was thinking about that last night after I went to bed.

I have a 75 gal been running for 6 months now. I have a total of 60lbs of
LR. I will be adding another 25lbs in March.

I started a phytoplankton farm for my tank so I am up for growing things =)

Right now, I have a wet/dry but I plan on replacing that with a refugium
soon. Prolly in March as well. I know it would be ideal to wait until
after I accomplish those things but I'm not sure my LFS will have them then.
I've been going there for 6 months now and this is the first time I saw them
there. If I can compensate by growing some extra stuff until then, I'd be
willing. What do you think?

~Mort

[Richard Reynolds]

> I was thinking about that last night after I went to bed.

i tried to think once but it hurt sooo much that i quit:)

> I have a 75 gal been running for 6 months now. I have a total of 60lbs of
> LR. I will be adding another 25lbs in March.
>
> I started a phytoplankton farm for my tank so I am up for growing things =)

cool in a few weeks you will have enough pods you wont need to worry.

> Right now, I have a wet/dry but I plan on replacing that with a refugium
> soon. Prolly in March as well. I know it would be ideal to wait until
> after I accomplish those things but I'm not sure my LFS will have them then.
> I've been going there for 6 months now and this is the first time I saw them
> there. If I can compensate by growing some extra stuff until then, I'd be
> willing. What do you think?

ok so first you really should only get it if its healthy and has eaten you can know this
by looking between its pectoral fins(the ones up front and pointing downwards ideally that
should look round and "full" even if its kinda straight across or empty looking its not
the end of the world if its sucked in then its bad dont get it. if it looks good buy it,
put it in your tank and order a pod kit. I like aquaticeco.com there are others some even
a little cheaper. toss it in a 10 with a heater and an airstone and have at it :) the
airstone should be positioned under the heater to keep the pods off the heater. feed phyto
often if you have any add some hair algae from your main tank and light that 10 up with
plain incandescent bulbs the thicker you get that hair algae the better, your pod kit
should come with a variety some will live fine on phyto others will require macroalgaes
might as well feed it the stuff you dont like :) let the population increase for a couple
of weeks then go fishing. you may also desire re seeding your culture every now and then
but it shouldnt need it too often.

> ~Mort

--
Richard Reynolds

[Mort]

Excellent! Thanks for the advice Rich. I'll be on my way shortly.

~Mort

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:icTSb.4878$gl2.3030@lakeread05...
> > I was thinking about that last night after I went to bed.
>
> i tried to think once but it hurt sooo much that i quit:)
>
> > I have a 75 gal been running for 6 months now. I have a total of 60lbs
of
> > LR. I will be adding another 25lbs in March.
> >
> > I started a phytoplankton farm for my tank so I am up for growing things
=)
>
> cool in a few weeks you will have enough pods you wont need to worry.
>
> > Right now, I have a wet/dry but I plan on replacing that with a refugium
> > soon. Prolly in March as well. I know it would be ideal to wait until
> > after I accomplish those things but I'm not sure my LFS will have them
then.
> > I've been going there for 6 months now and this is the first time I saw
them
> > there. If I can compensate by growing some extra stuff until then, I'd
be
> > willing. What do you think?
>
> ok so first you really should only get it if its healthy and has eaten you
can know this
> by looking between its pectoral fins(the ones up front and pointing
downwards ideally that
> should look round and "full" even if its kinda straight across or empty
looking its not
> the end of the world if its sucked in then its bad dont get it. if it
looks good buy it,
> put it in your tank and order a pod kit. I like aquaticeco.com there are
others some even
> a little cheaper. toss it in a 10 with a heater and an airstone and have
at it :) the
> airstone should be positioned under the heater to keep the pods off the
heater. feed phyto
> often if you have any add some hair algae from your main tank and light
that 10 up with
> plain incandescent bulbs the thicker you get that hair algae the better,
your pod kit
> should come with a variety some will live fine on phyto others will
require macroalgaes
> might as well feed it the stuff you dont like :) let the population
increase for a couple
> of weeks then go fishing. you may also desire re seeding your culture
every now and then
> but it shouldnt need it too often.
>
> > ~Mort
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>
>
>

[Mort]

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:icTSb.4878$gl2.3030@lakeread05...
> > I was thinking about that last night after I went to bed.
>
> i tried to think once but it hurt sooo much that i quit:)
>
> > I have a 75 gal been running for 6 months now. I have a total of 60lbs
of
> > LR. I will be adding another 25lbs in March.
> >
> > I started a phytoplankton farm for my tank so I am up for growing things
=)
>
> cool in a few weeks you will have enough pods you wont need to worry.
>
> > Right now, I have a wet/dry but I plan on replacing that with a refugium
> > soon. Prolly in March as well. I know it would be ideal to wait until
> > after I accomplish those things but I'm not sure my LFS will have them
then.
> > I've been going there for 6 months now and this is the first time I saw
them
> > there. If I can compensate by growing some extra stuff until then, I'd
be
> > willing. What do you think?
>
> ok so first you really should only get it if its healthy and has eaten you
can know this
> by looking between its pectoral fins(the ones up front and pointing
downwards ideally that
> should look round and "full" even if its kinda straight across or empty
looking its not
> the end of the world if its sucked in then its bad dont get it. if it
looks good buy it,
> put it in your tank and order a pod kit. I like aquaticeco.com there are
others some even
> a little cheaper. toss it in a 10 with a heater and an airstone and have
at it :) the
> airstone should be positioned under the heater to keep the pods off the
heater. feed phyto
> often if you have any add some hair algae from your main tank and light
that 10 up with
> plain incandescent bulbs the thicker you get that hair algae the better,
your pod kit
> should come with a variety some will live fine on phyto others will
require macroalgaes
> might as well feed it the stuff you dont like :) let the population
increase for a couple
> of weeks then go fishing. you may also desire re seeding your culture
every now and then
> but it shouldnt need it too often.
>
> > ~Mort
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>
>
>


BTW, I'll need advice on which kit to order. I prefer florida aqua farms as
I have ordered from them previously.

Also, is a heater necessary? And a 10gal tank? I have a shelf with some
fluorscent tubes mounted on the wall. It's designed to shine through a 2
litre bottle. I'd rather use that but I dont want to put a 10g on that
shelf. I have room but I fear that's too much weight. Would a 5g suffice?

TAIA

~Mort

[Richard Reynolds]

> BTW, I'll need advice on which kit to order. I prefer florida aqua farms as
> I have ordered from them previously.

I probibly should try out FAF but i have not yet. I quickly looked at the website, I didnt
see a pod kit. but didnt spend a lot of time there.

> Also, is a heater necessary?

probibly you dont want it getting cold at night, but a cheapo HOB glass one will do great.

> And a 10gal tank? I have a shelf with some
> fluorscent tubes mounted on the wall. It's designed to shine through a 2
> litre bottle. I'd rather use that but I dont want to put a 10g on that
> shelf. I have room but I fear that's too much weight. Would a 5g suffice?

it would be better to use a 10, and fill it 1/2 way you want as much of a floor as you can
get. even better if you can make your own shelf setup to stick in it. but for 1 or 2
mandarins you dont need that many pods they wont do all that well in a 2l bottle.
optionally if you can expose the tank to sunlight itll do good also IF you can keep it
warm and outside itll do nicely

> TAIA
>
> ~Mort

--
Richard Reynolds

[Mort]

I posted a couple of pics in ABA =)

~Mort

"Mort" > wrote in message
m...
> Anyone have experience with these? I think I remember Marc said he had
one?
>
> I've read that they live off of copepods and amphipods (spelling?). Isn't
> that BAD for a reef?
>
> I saw one of these at an LFS and it was love at first sight!
>
> PLEASE tell me they're okay. =)
>
> ~Mort
>
>
>

[Richard Reynolds]

> I posted a couple of pics in ABA =)

cool

> ~Mort


--
Richard Reynolds

[Marc Levenson]

Yes, I've got three Mandarins now. A blue, a green and a very unhappy orange.

I've always recommended this process --

6 month established tank
75lbs LR
Refugium
No other pod eating carnivores in the tank to deplete the natural foods your
Mandarin needs. (Such as wrasses - Six Line, Banana, Leopard, Yellow Coris...)

You may get lucky and get one that eats prepared foods. You might not. I know
that two of mine eat food I offer.

Growing brineshrimp yourself is a great way to keep the Mandarin fed, and you
can have a new batch ready every 48 hours. Rotate your setup and you can have a
small batch ready every day if you set up two stations.

Since you are growing Phytoplankton, you can order the rotifer stuff from FAF
and feed that instead.

Just remember, the more stuff you grow yourself, the more complicated your life
can become. If it becomes problematic, your joy will ebb and your fish will
suffer. So it is better if your tank can support the fish of choice without a
lot of extra effort.

Marc


Mort wrote:

> Anyone have experience with these? I think I remember Marc said he had one?
>
> I've read that they live off of copepods and amphipods (spelling?). Isn't
> that BAD for a reef?
>
> I saw one of these at an LFS and it was love at first sight!
>
> PLEASE tell me they're okay. =)
>
> ~Mort

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[Mort]

I fed some live brine this evening and he did eat a couple of them that got
in his face =)

What exactly would you recommend I get from FAF?

I can do hatch brine shrimp, thats something I actually have experience in
for a change =)

~Mort

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> Yes, I've got three Mandarins now. A blue, a green and a very unhappy
orange.
>
> I've always recommended this process --
>
> 6 month established tank
> 75lbs LR
> Refugium
> No other pod eating carnivores in the tank to deplete the natural foods
your
> Mandarin needs. (Such as wrasses - Six Line, Banana, Leopard, Yellow
Coris...)
>
> You may get lucky and get one that eats prepared foods. You might not. I
know
> that two of mine eat food I offer.
>
> Growing brineshrimp yourself is a great way to keep the Mandarin fed, and
you
> can have a new batch ready every 48 hours. Rotate your setup and you can
have a
> small batch ready every day if you set up two stations.
>
> Since you are growing Phytoplankton, you can order the rotifer stuff from
FAF
> and feed that instead.
>
> Just remember, the more stuff you grow yourself, the more complicated your
life
> can become. If it becomes problematic, your joy will ebb and your fish
will
> suffer. So it is better if your tank can support the fish of choice
without a
> lot of extra effort.
>
> Marc
>
>
> Mort wrote:
>
> > Anyone have experience with these? I think I remember Marc said he had
one?
> >
> > I've read that they live off of copepods and amphipods (spelling?).
Isn't
> > that BAD for a reef?
> >
> > I saw one of these at an LFS and it was love at first sight!
> >
> > PLEASE tell me they're okay. =)
> >
> > ~Mort
>
> --
> Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>
>

[Richard Reynolds]

I just wanted to quickly jump in here

> Since you are growing Phytoplankton, you can order the rotifer stuff from FAF
> and feed that instead.

marc has a point and all that but just to make sure you dont order the wrong thing,
mandarin gobies larger than aprox 1 inch wont eat rotifers you need pods, copepods,
smaller or babby amphipods smaller isopods

it apears FAF does sell amphipods its on the 2nd page @
https://3kserver7.com/~frank/secure/agora.cgi?cart_id=639630.22240*w05fg8&next=6&product=LIVE_CULTURES
incase the link doesnt work its live cultures{from menu on left}| next page {down at the
bottom}

aquaticeco.com does sell both amphipods and copepods, as seperate live cultures.

--
Richard Reynolds

[Marc Levenson]

It would be a lot easier if your mandarin started eating prepared foods. I'd suggest you buy some Formula
Two *small* pellet food, and drop those in your tank and watch over the next couple of weeks. My mandarin
loves those things, and sucks it right in, expelling colored dust from his gills.

Marc


Richard Reynolds wrote:

> I just wanted to quickly jump in here
>
> > Since you are growing Phytoplankton, you can order the rotifer stuff from FAF
> > and feed that instead.
>
> marc has a point and all that but just to make sure you dont order the wrong thing,
> mandarin gobies larger than aprox 1 inch wont eat rotifers you need pods, copepods,
> smaller or babby amphipods smaller isopods
>
> it apears FAF does sell amphipods its on the 2nd page @
> https://3kserver7.com/~frank/secure/agora.cgi?cart_id=639630.22240*w05fg8&next=6&product=LIVE_CULTURES
> incase the link doesnt work its live cultures{from menu on left}| next page {down at the
> bottom}
>
> aquaticeco.com does sell both amphipods and copepods, as seperate live cultures.
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>

--
Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com

[Richard Reynolds]

> It would be a lot easier if your mandarin started eating prepared foods. I'd suggest
you buy some Formula
> Two *small* pellet food, and drop those in your tank and watch over the next couple of
weeks. My mandarin
> loves those things, and sucks it right in, expelling colored dust from his gills.

:D its nice to get them to eat prepared foods, I have several that are not up to it yet :D
the formula pellets were the first good repeatable food they would take. and i know of at
least 1 person who cant get his to take to formula 2.

>>Yes, I've got three Mandarins now. A blue, a green and a very unhappy orange.
so whats up with the orange to make it unhappy ???? mine is still kinda skinny but has
just started to look at pellets as potential food. that zoecon is expensive but nice and
you can soak the pellets in it, ive found if you use a white surface to put the formula 2
on they will take to it faster. and soaking the food makes it sink faster so its easier to
get to them.

> Marc



--
Richard Reynolds

[Ct Midnite]

You might want to check your filter medium if you use a filter in your
tank before you by amphipods. I cleaned my filter pads once when I
started and could not believe all the little creatures living on and
in the pads.

Since then I have set up a 10 gal with just caulerpa and some
amphipods from the filter and now have a whole aquarium full of them.
They reproduce like rabbits.

I didn't buy these, they came in either on the live rock or caulerpa.
But my mandarin loves them. I raise them for my seahorses.

Just thought you might want to check before ordering. The place below
only ships 20 pods. I had hundreds on my filter.

Ct Midnite


On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:53:40 -0800, "Richard Reynolds"
> wrote:

>I just wanted to quickly jump in here
>
>> Since you are growing Phytoplankton, you can order the rotifer stuff from FAF
>> and feed that instead.
>
>marc has a point and all that but just to make sure you dont order the wrong thing,
>mandarin gobies larger than aprox 1 inch wont eat rotifers you need pods, copepods,
>smaller or babby amphipods smaller isopods
>
>it apears FAF does sell amphipods its on the 2nd page @
>https://3kserver7.com/~frank/secure/agora.cgi?cart_id=639630.22240*w05fg8&next=6&product=LIVE_CULTURES
>incase the link doesnt work its live cultures{from menu on left}| next page {down at the
>bottom}
>
>aquaticeco.com does sell both amphipods and copepods, as seperate live cultures.


http://www.geocities.com/ctmidnite53/

[Mort]

Thanks for the suggestion but I do not use any foam pads as they are
beleived to be a nitrate factory.

I'll have to do some reading on my options as far as what to grow.

How often are you guys feeding your mandarins?

~Mort

"Ct Midnite" <mreef2.10.muffin@spamgourmet.(nospam)com> wrote in message
...
> You might want to check your filter medium if you use a filter in your
> tank before you by amphipods. I cleaned my filter pads once when I
> started and could not believe all the little creatures living on and
> in the pads.
>
> Since then I have set up a 10 gal with just caulerpa and some
> amphipods from the filter and now have a whole aquarium full of them.
> They reproduce like rabbits.
>
> I didn't buy these, they came in either on the live rock or caulerpa.
> But my mandarin loves them. I raise them for my seahorses.
>
> Just thought you might want to check before ordering. The place below
> only ships 20 pods. I had hundreds on my filter.
>
> Ct Midnite
>
>
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:53:40 -0800, "Richard Reynolds"
> > wrote:
>
> >I just wanted to quickly jump in here
> >
> >> Since you are growing Phytoplankton, you can order the rotifer stuff
from FAF
> >> and feed that instead.
> >
> >marc has a point and all that but just to make sure you dont order the
wrong thing,
> >mandarin gobies larger than aprox 1 inch wont eat rotifers you need pods,
copepods,
> >smaller or babby amphipods smaller isopods
> >
> >it apears FAF does sell amphipods its on the 2nd page @
>
>https://3kserver7.com/~frank/secure/agora.cgi?cart_id=639630.22240*w05fg8&n
ext=6&product=LIVE_CULTURES
> >incase the link doesnt work its live cultures{from menu on left}| next
page {down at the
> >bottom}
> >
> >aquaticeco.com does sell both amphipods and copepods, as seperate live
cultures.
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/ctmidnite53/

[Marc Levenson]

Well, the idea was the Green and Orange would mate. Instead it has been on the run for the
past couple of weeks, and has some tattered fins. I really can't put it anywhere else, and
catching it will be near impossible in my 55g, as full as it is.

For now, nature is taking its course. :(

Marc


Richard Reynolds wrote:

> > It would be a lot easier if your mandarin started eating prepared foods. I'd suggest
> you buy some Formula
> > Two *small* pellet food, and drop those in your tank and watch over the next couple of
> weeks. My mandarin
> > loves those things, and sucks it right in, expelling colored dust from his gills.
>
> :D its nice to get them to eat prepared foods, I have several that are not up to it yet :D
> the formula pellets were the first good repeatable food they would take. and i know of at
> least 1 person who cant get his to take to formula 2.
>
> >>Yes, I've got three Mandarins now. A blue, a green and a very unhappy orange.
> so whats up with the orange to make it unhappy ???? mine is still kinda skinny but has
> just started to look at pellets as potential food. that zoecon is expensive but nice and
> you can soak the pellets in it, ive found if you use a white surface to put the formula 2
> on they will take to it faster. and soaking the food makes it sink faster so its easier to
> get to them.
>
> > Marc
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>

--
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[Marc Levenson]

I feed my tank daily. Mandarins hunt for food during the lighted hours, and
sleep at night. They will park in the sand and their colors fade. It is scary
at first because you'll think it is dead. However, it is fine.

You could put a pad in your sump (if you have one) where it just sits and gets
populated, the shake it off in your tank once a week. Your other fish will get
some food, though.

You can build 'pod piles' as well, which allows pods to multiply safely in your
display and when they get near the outer edges, the mandarin will eat it.

Marc


Mort wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion but I do not use any foam pads as they are
> beleived to be a nitrate factory.
>
> I'll have to do some reading on my options as far as what to grow.
>
> How often are you guys feeding your mandarins?
>
> ~Mort
>
> "Ct Midnite" <mreef2.10.muffin@spamgourmet.(nospam)com> wrote in message
> ...
> > You might want to check your filter medium if you use a filter in your
> > tank before you by amphipods. I cleaned my filter pads once when I
> > started and could not believe all the little creatures living on and
> > in the pads.
> >
> > Since then I have set up a 10 gal with just caulerpa and some
> > amphipods from the filter and now have a whole aquarium full of them.
> > They reproduce like rabbits.
> >
> > I didn't buy these, they came in either on the live rock or caulerpa.
> > But my mandarin loves them. I raise them for my seahorses.
> >
> > Just thought you might want to check before ordering. The place below
> > only ships 20 pods. I had hundreds on my filter.
> >
> > Ct Midnite
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:53:40 -0800, "Richard Reynolds"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >I just wanted to quickly jump in here
> > >
> > >> Since you are growing Phytoplankton, you can order the rotifer stuff
> from FAF
> > >> and feed that instead.
> > >
> > >marc has a point and all that but just to make sure you dont order the
> wrong thing,
> > >mandarin gobies larger than aprox 1 inch wont eat rotifers you need pods,
> copepods,
> > >smaller or babby amphipods smaller isopods
> > >
> > >it apears FAF does sell amphipods its on the 2nd page @
> >
> >https://3kserver7.com/~frank/secure/agora.cgi?cart_id=639630.22240*w05fg8&n
> ext=6&product=LIVE_CULTURES
> > >incase the link doesnt work its live cultures{from menu on left}| next
> page {down at the
> > >bottom}
> > >
> > >aquaticeco.com does sell both amphipods and copepods, as seperate live
> cultures.
> >
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/ctmidnite53/

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[Richard Reynolds]

> Well, the idea was the Green and Orange would mate. Instead it has been on the run for
the
> past couple of weeks, and has some tattered fins.

wouldnt that be a site, wonder how any offspring would turn out. orange or green or both
:)

>I really can't put it anywhere else, and
> catching it will be near impossible in my 55g, as full as it is.

IF you find you just must catch it wait until early morning take a cheapo net and bend the
base of the net/handle so its at like a 45d angle. there usually easier to catch at night
just before first light. or as the lights turn on.

> For now, nature is taking its course. :(

depending on if they are even compatiable which I dont know that they will or wont be. a
little fin nipping is part of the deal.

> Marc
>



--
Richard Reynolds

[Dragon Slayer]

FWIW my mandarins love the cyclop-eeze almost as much as pods. and my pod population looks like a freshly kicked fire-ant bed.

kc

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message ...
It would be a lot easier if your mandarin started eating prepared foods. I'd suggest you buy some Formula Two *small* pellet food, and drop those in your tank and watch over the next couple of weeks. My mandarin loves those things, and sucks it right in, expelling colored dust from his gills.

Marc

Richard Reynolds wrote:

I just wanted to quickly jump in here
> Since you are growing Phytoplankton, you can order the rotifer stuff from FAF
> and feed that instead.

marc has a point and all that but just to make sure you dont order the wrong thing,
mandarin gobies larger than aprox 1 inch wont eat rotifers you need pods, copepods,
smaller or babby amphipods smaller isopods

it apears FAF does sell amphipods its on the 2nd page @
https://3kserver7.com/~frank/secure/agora.cgi?cart_id=639630.22240*w05fg8&next=6&product=LIVE_CULTURES
incase the link doesnt work its live cultures{from menu on left}| next page {down at the
bottom}

aquaticeco.com does sell both amphipods and copepods, as seperate live cultures.

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