very small coldwater tank

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Are there any coldwater aquarium species that are suitable for a tiny
aquarium (3 gal)? I know it's a real challenge to keep anything smaller
than 5 gal but I've very little space, and moreoever a few species can
live happily enough in tiny quarters (eg Bettas) if you keep it clean
(and I won't mind changing the water etc. every other day, for
example--it's no great chore with a tiny aquarium). Unfortunately
bettas are NOT coldwater tolerant at all, otherwise they'd be the
obvious choice.
So what small species can survive at about 10*C (lowest temp of my
centrally heated room in winter)? White clouds seem ok, but there
wouldn't be quite enough space for many in 3 gal, and I don't think
they do so well when not in schools. Paradise fish take lower temp ok,
but if I'm correct unlike Bettas they grow a bit big for 3 gal. Guppies
might be fine, although they're not my favourites. Bronze cories
apparently can live at low temps (and even breathe a bit of air), but
not sure if I'd also need to keep them in a school.
I'm insisting on coldwater as arranging heating for a 3 gal tank is at
best fiddly. I think what I need is suggestions for subtropical
species, small ones that don't need a ton of oxygen (if I can get away
with aeration I'll do that too, although I know it's not likely).
Please share your thoughts,

Seb

[Koi-Lo]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Are there any coldwater aquarium species that are suitable for a tiny
> aquarium (3 gal)? I know it's a real challenge to keep anything smaller
> than 5 gal but I've very little space, and moreoever a few species can
> live happily enough in tiny quarters (eg Bettas) if you keep it clean
> (and I won't mind changing the water etc. every other day, for
> example--it's no great chore with a tiny aquarium). Unfortunately
> bettas are NOT coldwater tolerant at all, otherwise they'd be the
> obvious choice.
================
That tank is too small for most fish that do well in cold water. You could
try a pair of rosy reds but even they will outgrow it in time.
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[Billy]

You mentioned pretty much all of the coldwater tolerant fish that I
would have mentioned. As an aside, I have seen a major increase in
heating options for small tanks, including small pads that stick to
the outer glass, inline heaters...you may be able to find something
that works for you.

bv

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> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Are there any coldwater aquarium species that are suitable for a
> tiny
> aquarium (3 gal)? I know it's a real challenge to keep anything
> smaller
> than 5 gal but I've very little space, and moreoever a few species
> can
> live happily enough in tiny quarters (eg Bettas) if you keep it
> clean
> (and I won't mind changing the water etc. every other day, for
> example--it's no great chore with a tiny aquarium). Unfortunately
> bettas are NOT coldwater tolerant at all, otherwise they'd be the
> obvious choice.
> So what small species can survive at about 10*C (lowest temp of my
> centrally heated room in winter)? White clouds seem ok, but there
> wouldn't be quite enough space for many in 3 gal, and I don't think
> they do so well when not in schools. Paradise fish take lower temp
> ok,
> but if I'm correct unlike Bettas they grow a bit big for 3 gal.
> Guppies
> might be fine, although they're not my favourites. Bronze cories
> apparently can live at low temps (and even breathe a bit of air),
> but
> not sure if I'd also need to keep them in a school.
> I'm insisting on coldwater as arranging heating for a 3 gal tank is
> at
> best fiddly. I think what I need is suggestions for subtropical
> species, small ones that don't need a ton of oxygen (if I can get
> away
> with aeration I'll do that too, although I know it's not likely).
> Please share your thoughts,
>
> Seb
>

[Mr. Gardener]

On 16 Feb 2006 05:15:44 -0800, wrote:

>Are there any coldwater aquarium species that are suitable for a tiny
>aquarium (3 gal)? I know it's a real challenge to keep anything smaller
>than 5 gal but I've very little space, and moreoever a few species can
>live happily enough in tiny quarters (eg Bettas) if you keep it clean
>(and I won't mind changing the water etc. every other day, for
>example--it's no great chore with a tiny aquarium). Unfortunately
>bettas are NOT coldwater tolerant at all, otherwise they'd be the
>obvious choice.
>So what small species can survive at about 10*C (lowest temp of my
>centrally heated room in winter)? White clouds seem ok, but there
>wouldn't be quite enough space for many in 3 gal, and I don't think
>they do so well when not in schools. Paradise fish take lower temp ok,
>but if I'm correct unlike Bettas they grow a bit big for 3 gal. Guppies
>might be fine, although they're not my favourites. Bronze cories
>apparently can live at low temps (and even breathe a bit of air), but
>not sure if I'd also need to keep them in a school.
>I'm insisting on coldwater as arranging heating for a 3 gal tank is at
>best fiddly. I think what I need is suggestions for subtropical
>species, small ones that don't need a ton of oxygen (if I can get away
>with aeration I'll do that too, although I know it's not likely).
>Please share your thoughts,
>
>Seb

According to my super duper temperature converter, 10 degrees C is 50
degrees F. When I think of a cold water tank, I think of household
room air temperatures, which, in this energy conscious house, (read
heating oil cost phobic), our overnight thermostat drops the house
temperature to 60 F. From my perspective, when you say cold water, you
mean really cold water. Heaters are commonly available that measure
about 6 inches, (do your own conversion), for around 10 or 12 dollars.
I have several that I've used in small fry tanks. Another option is
the ordinary back ache heating pad under the tank. I know the cheap
ones aren't thermostatically controlled, but set on low in a chilly
room, they won't overheat your water. Bringing your water up to 65 or
70 degrees would open a few more options for you. 3 or 4 white clouds
or guppies would probably do fine in that setup. Cories are happiest
when they have friends around, and I wouldn't put more than one in a
three gallon tank. Even though a fish is known to survive very cold
temperatures, there is a difference between surviving and thriving.
When we bring captive animals into our homes, we owe them a chance at
the latter. If you could somehow find a way to fit a 5 or 10 gallon
tank, you will open up several more options, and your tank will be a
little easier to maintain with the larger body of water. Though you
are willing to clean your tiny tank daily, keeping your water quality
up can be tricky in such a small tank.



-- Mr Gardener

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Mr. Gardener wrote:
> On 16 Feb 2006 05:15:44 -0800, wrote:
> According to my super duper temperature converter, 10 degrees C is 50
> degrees F. When I think of a cold water tank, I think of household
> room air temperatures, which, in this energy conscious house, (read
> heating oil cost phobic), our overnight thermostat drops the house
> temperature to 60 F. From my perspective, when you say cold water, you
> mean really cold water. Heaters are commonly available that measure
> about 6 inches, (do your own conversion), for around 10 or 12 dollars.
> I have several that I've used in small fry tanks. Another option is
> the ordinary back ache heating pad under the tank. I know the cheap
> ones aren't thermostatically controlled, but set on low in a chilly
> room, they won't overheat your water. Bringing your water up to 65 or
> 70 degrees would open a few more options for you. 3 or 4 white clouds
> or guppies would probably do fine in that setup. Cories are happiest
> when they have friends around, and I wouldn't put more than one in a
> three gallon tank. Even though a fish is known to survive very cold
> temperatures, there is a difference between surviving and thriving.
> When we bring captive animals into our homes, we owe them a chance at
> the latter. If you could somehow find a way to fit a 5 or 10 gallon
> tank, you will open up several more options, and your tank will be a
> little easier to maintain with the larger body of water. Though you
> are willing to clean your tiny tank daily, keeping your water quality
> up can be tricky in such a small tank.
>
>
>
> -- Mr Gardener

Doh, looks like it's not really working out. To make things clearer:
temp dips to 10*c/50*F (probably not even that low) only when heating
is off (when no one's around), usually it's more comfortable room temp.
Probably a bad idea even if temps go low only rarely. I'll look at the
heating options then. BTW what did peole use before we had thermostatic
heaters? I heard one way was to use incandescent lamps, but the other
microheater options seem better. And if I can get heating I might as
well heat it to fully tropical temp and get a betta.
Also I remember I've tried keeping a banana plant in a fishbowl (w/o
fish), didn't work because it kept getting smothered in algae--used one
halogen lamp for light. But I'll worry about fancy plants later.

Seb

[Mr. Gardener]

On 17 Feb 2006 07:27:53 -0800, wrote:

>
>Mr. Gardener wrote:
>> On 16 Feb 2006 05:15:44 -0800, wrote:
>> According to my super duper temperature converter, 10 degrees C is 50
>> degrees F. When I think of a cold water tank, I think of household
>> room air temperatures, which, in this energy conscious house, (read
>> heating oil cost phobic), our overnight thermostat drops the house
>> temperature to 60 F. From my perspective, when you say cold water, you
>> mean really cold water. Heaters are commonly available that measure
>> about 6 inches, (do your own conversion), for around 10 or 12 dollars.
>> I have several that I've used in small fry tanks. Another option is
>> the ordinary back ache heating pad under the tank. I know the cheap
>> ones aren't thermostatically controlled, but set on low in a chilly
>> room, they won't overheat your water. Bringing your water up to 65 or
>> 70 degrees would open a few more options for you. 3 or 4 white clouds
>> or guppies would probably do fine in that setup. Cories are happiest
>> when they have friends around, and I wouldn't put more than one in a
>> three gallon tank. Even though a fish is known to survive very cold
>> temperatures, there is a difference between surviving and thriving.
>> When we bring captive animals into our homes, we owe them a chance at
>> the latter. If you could somehow find a way to fit a 5 or 10 gallon
>> tank, you will open up several more options, and your tank will be a
>> little easier to maintain with the larger body of water. Though you
>> are willing to clean your tiny tank daily, keeping your water quality
>> up can be tricky in such a small tank.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Mr Gardener
>
>Doh, looks like it's not really working out. To make things clearer:
>temp dips to 10*c/50*F (probably not even that low) only when heating
>is off (when no one's around), usually it's more comfortable room temp.
>Probably a bad idea even if temps go low only rarely. I'll look at the
>heating options then. BTW what did peole use before we had thermostatic
>heaters? I heard one way was to use incandescent lamps, but the other
>microheater options seem better. And if I can get heating I might as
>well heat it to fully tropical temp and get a betta.
>Also I remember I've tried keeping a banana plant in a fishbowl (w/o
>fish), didn't work because it kept getting smothered in algae--used one
>halogen lamp for light. But I'll worry about fancy plants later.
>
>Seb

Sounds good. The heat and the betta, I mean. I started in the hobby in
the mid 1960's, in between demonstrations and love-ins. Heaters with
thermostats were common then, though they weren't submersible. I'm not
old enough to remember what they did before then - I think they had
their wives and girlfriends hug the aquariums on cool nights. On
weekends a few couples would get together for aquarium hugging
parties. Maybe some lit candles, a whole lot of candles. I really
don't know, and I should. Aquarium history makes for interesting
reading. All kidding aside, people probably simply heated the rooms
instead of the individual tanks. There was once a time when it didn't
cost an arm and a leg and a war to keep our homes warm.

-- Mr Gardener

[Charles]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:32:08 -0500, Mr. Gardener
> wrote:

>On 17 Feb 2006 07:27:53 -0800, wrote:
>
>>
>>Mr. Gardener wrote:
>>> On 16 Feb 2006 05:15:44 -0800, wrote:
>>> According to my super duper temperature converter, 10 degrees C is 50
>>> degrees F. When I think of a cold water tank, I think of household
>>> room air temperatures, which, in this energy conscious house, (read
>>> heating oil cost phobic), our overnight thermostat drops the house
>>> temperature to 60 F. From my perspective, when you say cold water, you
>>> mean really cold water. Heaters are commonly available that measure
>>> about 6 inches, (do your own conversion), for around 10 or 12 dollars.
>>> I have several that I've used in small fry tanks. Another option is
>>> the ordinary back ache heating pad under the tank. I know the cheap
>>> ones aren't thermostatically controlled, but set on low in a chilly
>>> room, they won't overheat your water. Bringing your water up to 65 or
>>> 70 degrees would open a few more options for you. 3 or 4 white clouds
>>> or guppies would probably do fine in that setup. Cories are happiest
>>> when they have friends around, and I wouldn't put more than one in a
>>> three gallon tank. Even though a fish is known to survive very cold
>>> temperatures, there is a difference between surviving and thriving.
>>> When we bring captive animals into our homes, we owe them a chance at
>>> the latter. If you could somehow find a way to fit a 5 or 10 gallon
>>> tank, you will open up several more options, and your tank will be a
>>> little easier to maintain with the larger body of water. Though you
>>> are willing to clean your tiny tank daily, keeping your water quality
>>> up can be tricky in such a small tank.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Mr Gardener
>>
>>Doh, looks like it's not really working out. To make things clearer:
>>temp dips to 10*c/50*F (probably not even that low) only when heating
>>is off (when no one's around), usually it's more comfortable room temp.
>>Probably a bad idea even if temps go low only rarely. I'll look at the
>>heating options then. BTW what did peole use before we had thermostatic
>>heaters? I heard one way was to use incandescent lamps, but the other
>>microheater options seem better. And if I can get heating I might as
>>well heat it to fully tropical temp and get a betta.
>>Also I remember I've tried keeping a banana plant in a fishbowl (w/o
>>fish), didn't work because it kept getting smothered in algae--used one
>>halogen lamp for light. But I'll worry about fancy plants later.
>>
>>Seb
>
>Sounds good. The heat and the betta, I mean. I started in the hobby in
>the mid 1960's, in between demonstrations and love-ins. Heaters with
>thermostats were common then, though they weren't submersible. I'm not
>old enough to remember what they did before then - I think they had
>their wives and girlfriends hug the aquariums on cool nights. On
>weekends a few couples would get together for aquarium hugging
>parties. Maybe some lit candles, a whole lot of candles. I really
>don't know, and I should. Aquarium history makes for interesting
>reading. All kidding aside, people probably simply heated the rooms
>instead of the individual tanks. There was once a time when it didn't
>cost an arm and a leg and a war to keep our homes warm.
>
>-- Mr Gardener


In the fifties our school library had old aquarium books that told how
to keep the temperature regulated. The tanks they talked about had
metal bottoms, you were to put a candle, of a oil lamp or such beneath
the tank, and to get up about every two hours during the night to
check the temperature and adjust the position of the lamp if needed.

They were dedicated.

[Mr. Gardener]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:10:06 GMT, Charles >
wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:32:08 -0500, Mr. Gardener
> wrote:
>
>>On 17 Feb 2006 07:27:53 -0800, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Mr. Gardener wrote:
>>>> On 16 Feb 2006 05:15:44 -0800, wrote:
>>>> According to my super duper temperature converter, 10 degrees C is 50
>>>> degrees F. When I think of a cold water tank, I think of household
>>>> room air temperatures, which, in this energy conscious house, (read
>>>> heating oil cost phobic), our overnight thermostat drops the house
>>>> temperature to 60 F. From my perspective, when you say cold water, you
>>>> mean really cold water. Heaters are commonly available that measure
>>>> about 6 inches, (do your own conversion), for around 10 or 12 dollars.
>>>> I have several that I've used in small fry tanks. Another option is
>>>> the ordinary back ache heating pad under the tank. I know the cheap
>>>> ones aren't thermostatically controlled, but set on low in a chilly
>>>> room, they won't overheat your water. Bringing your water up to 65 or
>>>> 70 degrees would open a few more options for you. 3 or 4 white clouds
>>>> or guppies would probably do fine in that setup. Cories are happiest
>>>> when they have friends around, and I wouldn't put more than one in a
>>>> three gallon tank. Even though a fish is known to survive very cold
>>>> temperatures, there is a difference between surviving and thriving.
>>>> When we bring captive animals into our homes, we owe them a chance at
>>>> the latter. If you could somehow find a way to fit a 5 or 10 gallon
>>>> tank, you will open up several more options, and your tank will be a
>>>> little easier to maintain with the larger body of water. Though you
>>>> are willing to clean your tiny tank daily, keeping your water quality
>>>> up can be tricky in such a small tank.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Mr Gardener
>>>
>>>Doh, looks like it's not really working out. To make things clearer:
>>>temp dips to 10*c/50*F (probably not even that low) only when heating
>>>is off (when no one's around), usually it's more comfortable room temp.
>>>Probably a bad idea even if temps go low only rarely. I'll look at the
>>>heating options then. BTW what did peole use before we had thermostatic
>>>heaters? I heard one way was to use incandescent lamps, but the other
>>>microheater options seem better. And if I can get heating I might as
>>>well heat it to fully tropical temp and get a betta.
>>>Also I remember I've tried keeping a banana plant in a fishbowl (w/o
>>>fish), didn't work because it kept getting smothered in algae--used one
>>>halogen lamp for light. But I'll worry about fancy plants later.
>>>
>>>Seb
>>
>>Sounds good. The heat and the betta, I mean. I started in the hobby in
>>the mid 1960's, in between demonstrations and love-ins. Heaters with
>>thermostats were common then, though they weren't submersible. I'm not
>>old enough to remember what they did before then - I think they had
>>their wives and girlfriends hug the aquariums on cool nights. On
>>weekends a few couples would get together for aquarium hugging
>>parties. Maybe some lit candles, a whole lot of candles. I really
>>don't know, and I should. Aquarium history makes for interesting
>>reading. All kidding aside, people probably simply heated the rooms
>>instead of the individual tanks. There was once a time when it didn't
>>cost an arm and a leg and a war to keep our homes warm.
>>
>>-- Mr Gardener
>
>
>In the fifties our school library had old aquarium books that told how
>to keep the temperature regulated. The tanks they talked about had
>metal bottoms, you were to put a candle, of a oil lamp or such beneath
>the tank, and to get up about every two hours during the night to
>check the temperature and adjust the position of the lamp if needed.
>
>They were dedicated.

Yeah - in the sixties we traded in our oil lamps for lava lamps, but
they didn't give off as much heat.

-- Mr Gardener

[Charles]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:27:08 -0500, Mr. Gardener
> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:10:06 GMT, Charles >
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:32:08 -0500, Mr. Gardener
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 17 Feb 2006 07:27:53 -0800, wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Gardener wrote:
>>>>> On 16 Feb 2006 05:15:44 -0800, wrote:
>>>>> According to my super duper temperature converter, 10 degrees C is 50
>>>>> degrees F. When I think of a cold water tank, I think of household
>>>>> room air temperatures, which, in this energy conscious house, (read
>>>>> heating oil cost phobic), our overnight thermostat drops the house
>>>>> temperature to 60 F. From my perspective, when you say cold water, you
>>>>> mean really cold water. Heaters are commonly available that measure
>>>>> about 6 inches, (do your own conversion), for around 10 or 12 dollars.
>>>>> I have several that I've used in small fry tanks. Another option is
>>>>> the ordinary back ache heating pad under the tank. I know the cheap
>>>>> ones aren't thermostatically controlled, but set on low in a chilly
>>>>> room, they won't overheat your water. Bringing your water up to 65 or
>>>>> 70 degrees would open a few more options for you. 3 or 4 white clouds
>>>>> or guppies would probably do fine in that setup. Cories are happiest
>>>>> when they have friends around, and I wouldn't put more than one in a
>>>>> three gallon tank. Even though a fish is known to survive very cold
>>>>> temperatures, there is a difference between surviving and thriving.
>>>>> When we bring captive animals into our homes, we owe them a chance at
>>>>> the latter. If you could somehow find a way to fit a 5 or 10 gallon
>>>>> tank, you will open up several more options, and your tank will be a
>>>>> little easier to maintain with the larger body of water. Though you
>>>>> are willing to clean your tiny tank daily, keeping your water quality
>>>>> up can be tricky in such a small tank.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Mr Gardener
>>>>
>>>>Doh, looks like it's not really working out. To make things clearer:
>>>>temp dips to 10*c/50*F (probably not even that low) only when heating
>>>>is off (when no one's around), usually it's more comfortable room temp.
>>>>Probably a bad idea even if temps go low only rarely. I'll look at the
>>>>heating options then. BTW what did peole use before we had thermostatic
>>>>heaters? I heard one way was to use incandescent lamps, but the other
>>>>microheater options seem better. And if I can get heating I might as
>>>>well heat it to fully tropical temp and get a betta.
>>>>Also I remember I've tried keeping a banana plant in a fishbowl (w/o
>>>>fish), didn't work because it kept getting smothered in algae--used one
>>>>halogen lamp for light. But I'll worry about fancy plants later.
>>>>
>>>>Seb
>>>
>>>Sounds good. The heat and the betta, I mean. I started in the hobby in
>>>the mid 1960's, in between demonstrations and love-ins. Heaters with
>>>thermostats were common then, though they weren't submersible. I'm not
>>>old enough to remember what they did before then - I think they had
>>>their wives and girlfriends hug the aquariums on cool nights. On
>>>weekends a few couples would get together for aquarium hugging
>>>parties. Maybe some lit candles, a whole lot of candles. I really
>>>don't know, and I should. Aquarium history makes for interesting
>>>reading. All kidding aside, people probably simply heated the rooms
>>>instead of the individual tanks. There was once a time when it didn't
>>>cost an arm and a leg and a war to keep our homes warm.
>>>
>>>-- Mr Gardener
>>
>>
>>In the fifties our school library had old aquarium books that told how
>>to keep the temperature regulated. The tanks they talked about had
>>metal bottoms, you were to put a candle, of a oil lamp or such beneath
>>the tank, and to get up about every two hours during the night to
>>check the temperature and adjust the position of the lamp if needed.
>>
>>They were dedicated.
>
>Yeah - in the sixties we traded in our oil lamps for lava lamps, but
>they didn't give off as much heat.
>
>-- Mr Gardener


So that's what happened! I thought things had changed when I got
back.