Sulking fish????

[Mellie101]

Hi, I added my fourth and final goldfish to my 55g yesterday. He seems
very happy and sooo at home. My Ryukin has behaved very oddly since
his introduction. She is just sitting in the middle of the tank. She
is doing this of her own accord as fins look like they are moving
normally. She is eating well and will venture over to the usual corner
when I add the food. She usually spends most of her time in the
planted area but now she is just out in the middle of the tank. I did
a water check and the water is perfect. Cycle finished on Monday, such
joy. She has chased the new fish once or twice when he has got too
near but she returns back to the center of the tank after. It really
is like she is sulking but she has been doing this for about 24 hours
now and I'm starting to get that 'worrying feeling'.

Should I worry? The other 3 fish are so happy. Could it be that the
end of the tank she normally hangs out in is too crowded for her? Was
thinking of getting some live plants and planting the other end so that
they use the 'whole' tank a bit more.

Any advice greatly recieved.
Mellie

[Koi-Lo]

"Mellie101" > wrote in message
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> Hi, I added my fourth and final goldfish to my 55g yesterday. He seems
> very happy and sooo at home. My Ryukin has behaved very oddly since
> his introduction. She is just sitting in the middle of the
> tank............
================
Maybe she's adjusting to a new tank mate. Suddenly there's a new fish!

I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. :-)
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how long was she quarantined? how did that go? is she much different size than other
fish?

"Mellie101" > wrote:

>Hi, I added my fourth and final goldfish to my 55g yesterday. He seems
>very happy and sooo at home. My Ryukin has behaved very oddly since
>his introduction. She is just sitting in the middle of the tank. She
>is doing this of her own accord as fins look like they are moving
>normally. She is eating well and will venture over to the usual corner
>when I add the food. She usually spends most of her time in the
>planted area but now she is just out in the middle of the tank. I did
>a water check and the water is perfect. Cycle finished on Monday, such
>joy. She has chased the new fish once or twice when he has got too
>near but she returns back to the center of the tank after. It really
>is like she is sulking but she has been doing this for about 24 hours
>now and I'm starting to get that 'worrying feeling'.
>
>Should I worry? The other 3 fish are so happy. Could it be that the
>end of the tank she normally hangs out in is too crowded for her? Was
>thinking of getting some live plants and planting the other end so that
>they use the 'whole' tank a bit more.
>
>Any advice greatly recieved.
>Mellie



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[Snooze]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mellie101" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Hi, I added my fourth and final goldfish to my 55g yesterday. He seems
>> very happy and sooo at home. My Ryukin has behaved very oddly since
>> his introduction. She is just sitting in the middle of the
>> tank............
> ================
> Maybe she's adjusting to a new tank mate. Suddenly there's a new fish!
>
> I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. :-)

Wild guesses when it's obvious you didn't read the original posters
question, or at least comprehend it.
The original poster didn't say if she had put the new fish in quarantine or
not. Goldfish from petstores are notorious for bringing diseases and
parasites with them.

Fish don't sulk, any evidence of bullying? fin nipping?

[Mellie101]

Hi, no haven't seen her interact with any of the other fish really.
She has moved about the tank a bit more today but is still rather
solitary. I had the black moor in quarantine for just over a month. I
put him in the tank and from that moment the Ryukin started 'sulking'.
Don't know if it is that. Just put a slice of orange in the usual
feeding corner and she ventured over there and tried it but then went
back to the middle again. Usually she hangs our with our fantail but
can't say she has been near him much either. The pearlscale has taken
the black moor under his 'fin'. Still going to plant the other end of
the tank tomorrow to see if that helps.

Thanks for all your help
Mellie

[Koi-Lo]

"Snooze" > wrote in message
et...
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Mellie101" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> Hi, I added my fourth and final goldfish to my 55g yesterday. He seems
>>> very happy and sooo at home. My Ryukin has behaved very oddly since
>>> his introduction. She is just sitting in the middle of the
>>> tank............
>> ================
>> Maybe she's adjusting to a new tank mate. Suddenly there's a new fish!
>>
>> I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. :-)
----------------------
> Wild guesses

It's not a wild guess. When I recently added ottos and a plecs to my 55g
goldfish tanks I saw a similar reaction in several of my goldfish. Disease
was not involved. One Oranda stayed behind some plants for several days
except to come out and eat.

when it's obvious you didn't read the original posters
> question, or at least comprehend it.

I sure did and my reading comprehension is fine, thank you. :-)

> The original poster didn't say if she had put the new fish in quarantine
> or not. Goldfish from petstores are notorious for bringing diseases and
> parasites with them.

Which take time to have an effect on the resident fish.

> Fish don't sulk, any evidence of bullying? fin nipping?

But some will differently when a new fish is added - I've seen it happen
more than once.

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[Koi-Lo]

"Mellie101" > wrote in message
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> Hi, no haven't seen her interact with any of the other fish really.
> She has moved about the tank a bit more today but is still rather
> solitary. I had the black moor in quarantine for just over a month. I
> put him in the tank and from that moment the Ryukin started 'sulking'.

Before you panic Mellie some goldfish will react this way to a new fish. It
doesn't mean she immediately got some disease from the Moor. He was
probably so different looking than what she had ever seen before she is
reacting - as a few on mine recently did to plecs and ottos. Of course she
can be "sick" and just coincidentally is showing it - but it's most likely
not related to the new fish. If the moor has parasites of some kind it
wouldn't effect her so quickly. Parasites take time to build up.

> Don't know if it is that. Just put a slice of orange in the usual
> feeding corner and she ventured over there and tried it but then went
> back to the middle again. Usually she hangs our with our fantail but
> can't say she has been near him much either. The pearlscale has taken
> the black moor under his 'fin'. Still going to plant the other end of
> the tank tomorrow to see if that helps.

Please keep us informed. :-)

> Thanks for all your help
> Mellie
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>

[~Roy~]

exactly, fish do not sulk....as much as Koi lo owuld like you to
believe that, it just doe snot happen. There is other reasons it may
be acting like it is, not because of a new tank mate......Lopts can
happen you do not see....which can cause a fish to act like that.....

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:03:41 GMT, "Snooze" > wrote:
>><>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>><>>
>><>> "Mellie101" > wrote in message
>><>> oups.com...
>><>>> Hi, I added my fourth and final goldfish to my 55g yesterday. He seems
>><>>> very happy and sooo at home. My Ryukin has behaved very oddly since
>><>>> his introduction. She is just sitting in the middle of the
>><>>> tank............
>><>> ================
>><>> Maybe she's adjusting to a new tank mate. Suddenly there's a new fish!
>><>>
>><>> I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. :-)
>><>
>><>Wild guesses when it's obvious you didn't read the original posters
>><>question, or at least comprehend it.
>><>The original poster didn't say if she had put the new fish in quarantine or
>><>not. Goldfish from petstores are notorious for bringing diseases and
>><>parasites with them.
>><>
>><>Fish don't sulk, any evidence of bullying? fin nipping?
>><>

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OK .. since you quarantined then I would say it could be behavioral and this will
pass after a while. however, I encourage stepping up water changes just to make sure
there are no water quality problems that the ryukin is sensitive to. Ingrid

"Mellie101" > wrote:

>Hi, no haven't seen her interact with any of the other fish really.
>She has moved about the tank a bit more today but is still rather
>solitary. I had the black moor in quarantine for just over a month. I
>put him in the tank and from that moment the Ryukin started 'sulking'.
>Don't know if it is that. Just put a slice of orange in the usual
>feeding corner and she ventured over there and tried it but then went
>back to the middle again. Usually she hangs our with our fantail but
>can't say she has been near him much either. The pearlscale has taken
>the black moor under his 'fin'. Still going to plant the other end of
>the tank tomorrow to see if that helps.
>
>Thanks for all your help
>Mellie



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[Mellie101]

Hi, thanks for the advice. Its been 10 days now (I think) but my
Ryukin is still 'sulking'. She is eating fine but still just 'camping'
out in the middle of the tank. She occasionally wanders around for a
minute but then comes back to the same position. Her fins are working
and she is there of her own accord. The doesn't appear to be any
floating.

I have been changing my water twice weekly doing 10% at one change and
25% on another. I did a water test yesterday and had ammonia 0
Nitrites 0 and Nitrates 30ppm. I did a 25% water change so hoping that
it isn't that. She is still at the center of the tank.

Thought that it might have just been a reaction to the introduction of
our Black Moor. Still she seems to be the only one behaving like this.
The other 3 fish are doing well. My Ryukin really doen't look
'sickly'. No marks on scales or fins. Her colour is a white pearl
colour, which looks awesome, and she looks really good.

Could it be that she just likes 'sitting' in the middle of the tank?
Am I worrying for nothing? :-)

Cheers
Mellie

[Koi-Lo]

"Mellie101" > wrote in message
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>
> Could it be that she just likes 'sitting' in the middle of the tank?
> Am I worrying for nothing? :-)
=========================
If she looks healthy, eats etc,... this may be so. Since she has no
symptoms there is nothing to treat.

Koi-Lo

[~Roy~]

>><>"Mellie101" > wrote in message
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>><>>
>><>> Could it be that she just likes 'sitting' in the middle of the tank?
>><>> Am I worrying for nothing? :-)


I would add salt, it seems your obsessed with having to add salt to
freshwater fish. Have you ever considered setting up a marine tank, it
uses lots of salt.


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[Mellie101]

Don't recall mentioning adding salt. Just looking out for the
wealthfare of my fish. Isn't that what this site is about???? Also
thought this was a place for newbie's to ask advice from more
experienced people. Will now go to other sites with more patient
people. Koi-Lo thanks for all your help.
Mellie

[Mellie101]

Funnily enough Roy you were the person who first recommend using salt
in a freshwater tank to me.


From: Roy - view profile
Date: Sat, Feb 4 2006 8:14 pm
Email: (Roy)
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If you like to throw money away and tanke your chances go with the
snake oils mela and pima fix. Of course they can be used together,
what do you think the manufacturer is stupid,...they make double the
moiney off yu buying useless snakeoils. Odds are water changes will be
sufficient, and now would be a better chance to use some salt than
snake oils....


Had never even contemplated salt before this. Did appreciate your
advice than and will give credit to you for the extreme difference that
it made to my problem. Like I said I'm a newbie to all this and
mistakenly thought this was a place where i could find helpful and good
advice. Didn't realise that critisism and sarcasm would be involved too.

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http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/treatment/trtmnt.htm#salt

"Mellie101" > wrote:

>Don't recall mentioning adding salt. Just looking out for the
>wealthfare of my fish. Isn't that what this site is about???? Also
>thought this was a place for newbie's to ask advice from more
>experienced people. Will now go to other sites with more patient
>people. Koi-Lo thanks for all your help.
>Mellie



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rec.ponds and this list has been beset by very nasty angry trolls. this is in
addition to a few people who find it impossible to be reasonable. most everyone has
abandoned this and rec.ponds newsgroup for email lists where the trolls and nuts are
kept off. I run one mostly goldfish, but also koi and pond list using google.
http://groups.google.com/group/Puregold
there you can get very helpful friendly advice. Ingrid

"Mellie101" > wrote:

>Funnily enough Roy you were the person who first recommend using salt
>in a freshwater tank to me.
>
>
>From: Roy - view profile
>Date: Sat, Feb 4 2006 8:14 pm
>Email: (Roy)
>Groups: rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish
>Not yet ratedRating:
>show options
>
>
>
>If you like to throw money away and tanke your chances go with the
>snake oils mela and pima fix. Of course they can be used together,
>what do you think the manufacturer is stupid,...they make double the
>moiney off yu buying useless snakeoils. Odds are water changes will be
>sufficient, and now would be a better chance to use some salt than
>snake oils....
>
>
>Had never even contemplated salt before this. Did appreciate your
>advice than and will give credit to you for the extreme difference that
>it made to my problem. Like I said I'm a newbie to all this and
>mistakenly thought this was a place where i could find helpful and good
>advice. Didn't realise that critisism and sarcasm would be involved too.



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[Koi-Lo]

"Mellie101" > wrote in message
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> Funnily enough Roy you were the person who first recommend using salt
> in a freshwater tank to me.
==================
Mellie, please ask your questions on rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc as we have
knowledgeable people there to answer you questions. This NG is very slow
with few people responding to questions.

If someone is rude or uses profanity you can just bypass their messages when
you see their name.

Koi-Lo.....

[~Roy~]

Can't resist telling folks what to do can yuou Koi ho?

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:46:22 -0600, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:
>><>
>><>"Mellie101" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>><>> Funnily enough Roy you were the person who first recommend using salt
>><>> in a freshwater tank to me.
>><>==================
>><>Mellie, please ask your questions on rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc as we have
>><>knowledgeable people there to answer you questions. This NG is very slow
>><>with few people responding to questions.
>><>
>><>If someone is rude or uses profanity you can just bypass their messages when
>><>you see their name.
>><>
>><>Koi-Lo.....

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