Coral placement?

[miskairal]

How do you put a coral in your tank? Sounds dumb I s'pose but I bought a
leather coral a couple of months ago (only coral I've bought so far)
and it came attached to a stupid little round rock that I hate. If the
rock were a living thing then I'd have killed it by now.

It took me ages to get this dumb rock balanced and propped up by other
pieces of rock and a couple of days ago when cleaning I accidentally
knocked one of the supporting rocks and the coral was on a 45° angle. It
seemed quite happy about it but I wasn't so this morning I enlisted the
help of my hubby to straighten it up because I can't reach that far into
my tank with two hands. We managed to get it upright again but it was so
difficult and I was wondering if anyone here has some words of wisdom to
share with me? I mean this rock reminds me of the head of the femur that
fits into the socket of the hip joint. I need a rock that has the right
socket to get it really stable and the rock is way too small to support
the weight of the coral.

Is all coral this difficult to place? I really don't like handling it
this much as I bet it doesn't like it. Is it just me or does everyone
have trouble with their rock and it's placement and getting it to look
how you want it to? I wish I'd started with a smaller tank!

[DrC]

My Xenia, Ricordia and two green mushrooms are all on stupid shards of
living rock. They stay in plave for about 1 -2 weeks at a time before
either my crabs or snails barge them off onto the substrate and I have
to replace them. Fortunately it's only me that seems to care.

When my Xenia arrived I was glad it had detached from the huge oval of
putty it had been previosuly attached to - now that would have looked
bad.

David

[~Roy~]

I hate the frags of live rock etc that come attached to corals with a
passion myself. I make it a point to remove the pieces of live rock
off the corals bases. If it can be done right away and all at one time
i do it, if not it may take a little bit of time for awile doing a
little at a time.....

I normally take a compound angle jaw cutter (or a wire cutting pliers
will do) and cut, break as much of the rock off as possible. Then pace
it back in tank, I will repeat this process untilI have removed it all
or have it so pulverized up its like sand attached to the base of the
coral.

Then I use hypodermic needles to pin the coral where I want it. In
about a week its shed all remaining tiny pices and firmy attached to
its new base, and then I remove the needles.

Needles stuck through leathers and polyps do not hurt them at all.
SAme for shrooms and rics etc. Just stick needle thourh as close to
but not through the mouth at a slight angle if possible so it exits
out in or through the foot. Soft rock is relatively soft and just a
slight pressure and twisting motion will easily push a needle into the
rock to hold the coral.

Use a piece of the rubber band they use to seal the bags up, and cut
it into tiny pieces about 1/8" square or up to 1/4" square. Stick the
needle through that piece of rubber band, and slide it up until it is
all the way up on needle. Then stick needle through coral, place coral
and secure needle in liverock......then slide the piece of rubber band
down firmly onto the coral to hold it in place.....Works like a champ.

If you can not get hypodermic needles (just the needle not entire
syringe is used) you can use stainless steel dressmaker pins etc. They
are commonly available in Dry goods and fabric shops as well as Wal
MArts etc..

YOu can apply a pice of ice to the stem or foot at the live rock on
some corals and it will release. Even cut off the coral with a sharp
blade as close as possible will work as well, except it may set the
coral back a week or two, but it sure doe snot hurt them.



On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:28:41 +1000, miskairal
> wrote:
>><>How do you put a coral in your tank? Sounds dumb I s'pose but I bought a
>><> leather coral a couple of months ago (only coral I've bought so far)
>><>and it came attached to a stupid little round rock that I hate. If the
>><>rock were a living thing then I'd have killed it by now.
>><>
>><>It took me ages to get this dumb rock balanced and propped up by other
>><>pieces of rock and a couple of days ago when cleaning I accidentally
>><>knocked one of the supporting rocks and the coral was on a 45° angle. It
>><>seemed quite happy about it but I wasn't so this morning I enlisted the
>><>help of my hubby to straighten it up because I can't reach that far into
>><>my tank with two hands. We managed to get it upright again but it was so
>><>difficult and I was wondering if anyone here has some words of wisdom to
>><>share with me? I mean this rock reminds me of the head of the femur that
>><>fits into the socket of the hip joint. I need a rock that has the right
>><>socket to get it really stable and the rock is way too small to support
>><>the weight of the coral.
>><>
>><>Is all coral this difficult to place? I really don't like handling it
>><>this much as I bet it doesn't like it. Is it just me or does everyone
>><>have trouble with their rock and it's placement and getting it to look
>><>how you want it to? I wish I'd started with a smaller tank!

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[miskairal]

Oh my god, my coral will need anaesthetic for this! I bet if I did it it
would turn up it's toes. I really dont' think I can do this and I'm not
sure hubby has the dexterity in his fingers (thick farmer's fingers).
You'd never guess I was a registered nurse and then a goat owner would
you ;) I'll have to think about this for ages before I can do it. I
might even try to buy something cheaper and smaller to try it on first.

Do you do all this underwater or out in the air? Someone here once wrote
that you should wear gloves when handling a coral, was that you? Does
the rock you're trying to get it to attach to have to be fairly smooth
ie. how does it reattach? My leather has a stem (is that the same as
foot?) that is about 1 1/2 inches in diameter but it also has like a
tail that runs downwards from that for about an inch that is only a few
mm wide. How many needles would you use for that? I can get needles from
the vet no worries.

Well I asked a question and got an anwer but I was assuming it would be
more along the lines of gluing the coral's liverock to another rock or
something :)

~Roy~ wrote:
> I hate the frags of live rock etc that come attached to corals with a
> passion myself. I make it a point to remove the pieces of live rock
> off the corals bases. If it can be done right away and all at one time
> i do it, if not it may take a little bit of time for awile doing a
> little at a time.....
>
> I normally take a compound angle jaw cutter (or a wire cutting pliers
> will do) and cut, break as much of the rock off as possible. Then pace
> it back in tank, I will repeat this process untilI have removed it all
> or have it so pulverized up its like sand attached to the base of the
> coral.
>
> Then I use hypodermic needles to pin the coral where I want it. In
> about a week its shed all remaining tiny pices and firmy attached to
> its new base, and then I remove the needles.
>
> Needles stuck through leathers and polyps do not hurt them at all.
> SAme for shrooms and rics etc. Just stick needle thourh as close to
> but not through the mouth at a slight angle if possible so it exits
> out in or through the foot. Soft rock is relatively soft and just a
> slight pressure and twisting motion will easily push a needle into the
> rock to hold the coral.
>
> Use a piece of the rubber band they use to seal the bags up, and cut
> it into tiny pieces about 1/8" square or up to 1/4" square. Stick the
> needle through that piece of rubber band, and slide it up until it is
> all the way up on needle. Then stick needle through coral, place coral
> and secure needle in liverock......then slide the piece of rubber band
> down firmly onto the coral to hold it in place.....Works like a champ.
>
> If you can not get hypodermic needles (just the needle not entire
> syringe is used) you can use stainless steel dressmaker pins etc. They
> are commonly available in Dry goods and fabric shops as well as Wal
> MArts etc..
>
> YOu can apply a pice of ice to the stem or foot at the live rock on
> some corals and it will release. Even cut off the coral with a sharp
> blade as close as possible will work as well, except it may set the
> coral back a week or two, but it sure doe snot hurt them.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:28:41 +1000, miskairal
> > wrote:
>
>>><>How do you put a coral in your tank? Sounds dumb I s'pose but I bought a
>>><> leather coral a couple of months ago (only coral I've bought so far)
>>><>and it came attached to a stupid little round rock that I hate. If the
>>><>rock were a living thing then I'd have killed it by now.
>>><>
>>><>It took me ages to get this dumb rock balanced and propped up by other
>>><>pieces of rock and a couple of days ago when cleaning I accidentally
>>><>knocked one of the supporting rocks and the coral was on a 45° angle. It
>>><>seemed quite happy about it but I wasn't so this morning I enlisted the
>>><>help of my hubby to straighten it up because I can't reach that far into
>>><>my tank with two hands. We managed to get it upright again but it was so
>>><>difficult and I was wondering if anyone here has some words of wisdom to
>>><>share with me? I mean this rock reminds me of the head of the femur that
>>><>fits into the socket of the hip joint. I need a rock that has the right
>>><>socket to get it really stable and the rock is way too small to support
>>><>the weight of the coral.
>>><>
>>><>Is all coral this difficult to place? I really don't like handling it
>>><>this much as I bet it doesn't like it. Is it just me or does everyone
>>><>have trouble with their rock and it's placement and getting it to look
>>><>how you want it to? I wish I'd started with a smaller tank!
>
>

[Mark Henry]

Funny thing, I was about to ask a similar question myself. I was the
proud recipient of 5 small coral frags and four large (3-5" in size)
colonies on live rock last week. All are doing well, except the smaller
frags keep getting displaced by my emerald crabs - they're getting
knocked off the rock and thrown to the sand bed. I had thought of just
using marine epoxy to glue the smaller frags to the larger rock, but
hesitate to make that kind of permanent change...

mark h

[Wayne Sallee]

No you don't have to wear gloves. You can do it under
water, or in the air.


Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



miskairal wrote on 2/17/2006 3:43 PM:
> Oh my god, my coral will need anaesthetic for this! I bet if I did it it
> would turn up it's toes. I really dont' think I can do this and I'm not
> sure hubby has the dexterity in his fingers (thick farmer's fingers).
> You'd never guess I was a registered nurse and then a goat owner would
> you ;) I'll have to think about this for ages before I can do it. I
> might even try to buy something cheaper and smaller to try it on first.
>
> Do you do all this underwater or out in the air? Someone here once wrote
> that you should wear gloves when handling a coral, was that you? Does
> the rock you're trying to get it to attach to have to be fairly smooth
> ie. how does it reattach? My leather has a stem (is that the same as
> foot?) that is about 1 1/2 inches in diameter but it also has like a
> tail that runs downwards from that for about an inch that is only a few
> mm wide. How many needles would you use for that? I can get needles from
> the vet no worries.
>
> Well I asked a question and got an anwer but I was assuming it would be
> more along the lines of gluing the coral's liverock to another rock or
> something :)
>
> ~Roy~ wrote:
>
>> I hate the frags of live rock etc that come attached to corals with a
>> passion myself. I make it a point to remove the pieces of live rock
>> off the corals bases. If it can be done right away and all at one time
>> i do it, if not it may take a little bit of time for awile doing a
>> little at a time.....
>>
>> I normally take a compound angle jaw cutter (or a wire cutting pliers
>> will do) and cut, break as much of the rock off as possible. Then pace
>> it back in tank, I will repeat this process untilI have removed it all
>> or have it so pulverized up its like sand attached to the base of the
>> coral.
>>
>> Then I use hypodermic needles to pin the coral where I want it. In
>> about a week its shed all remaining tiny pices and firmy attached to
>> its new base, and then I remove the needles.
>> Needles stuck through leathers and polyps do not hurt them at all.
>> SAme for shrooms and rics etc. Just stick needle thourh as close to
>> but not through the mouth at a slight angle if possible so it exits
>> out in or through the foot. Soft rock is relatively soft and just a
>> slight pressure and twisting motion will easily push a needle into the
>> rock to hold the coral.
>>
>> Use a piece of the rubber band they use to seal the bags up, and cut
>> it into tiny pieces about 1/8" square or up to 1/4" square. Stick the
>> needle through that piece of rubber band, and slide it up until it is
>> all the way up on needle. Then stick needle through coral, place coral
>> and secure needle in liverock......then slide the piece of rubber band
>> down firmly onto the coral to hold it in place.....Works like a champ.
>>
>> If you can not get hypodermic needles (just the needle not entire
>> syringe is used) you can use stainless steel dressmaker pins etc. They
>> are commonly available in Dry goods and fabric shops as well as Wal
>> MArts etc..
>>
>> YOu can apply a pice of ice to the stem or foot at the live rock on
>> some corals and it will release. Even cut off the coral with a sharp
>> blade as close as possible will work as well, except it may set the
>> coral back a week or two, but it sure doe snot hurt them.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:28:41 +1000, miskairal
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> <>How do you put a coral in your tank? Sounds dumb I s'pose but I
>>>> bought a <> leather coral a couple of months ago (only coral I've
>>>> bought so far) <>and it came attached to a stupid little round rock
>>>> that I hate. If the <>rock were a living thing then I'd have killed
>>>> it by now.
>>>> <>
>>>> <>It took me ages to get this dumb rock balanced and propped up by
>>>> other <>pieces of rock and a couple of days ago when cleaning I
>>>> accidentally <>knocked one of the supporting rocks and the coral was
>>>> on a 45° angle. It <>seemed quite happy about it but I wasn't so
>>>> this morning I enlisted the <>help of my hubby to straighten it up
>>>> because I can't reach that far into <>my tank with two hands. We
>>>> managed to get it upright again but it was so <>difficult and I was
>>>> wondering if anyone here has some words of wisdom to <>share with
>>>> me? I mean this rock reminds me of the head of the femur that <>fits
>>>> into the socket of the hip joint. I need a rock that has the right
>>>> <>socket to get it really stable and the rock is way too small to
>>>> support <>the weight of the coral.
>>>> <>
>>>> <>Is all coral this difficult to place? I really don't like handling
>>>> it <>this much as I bet it doesn't like it. Is it just me or does
>>>> everyone <>have trouble with their rock and it's placement and
>>>> getting it to look <>how you want it to? I wish I'd started with a
>>>> smaller tank!
>>
>>
>>

[Alan Gabriel]

"miskairal" > wrote in message
...
> How do you put a coral in your tank? Sounds dumb I s'pose but I bought a
> leather coral a couple of months ago (only coral I've bought so far) and
> it came attached to a stupid little round rock that I hate. If the rock
> were a living thing then I'd have killed it by now.
>
> It took me ages to get this dumb rock balanced and propped up by other
> pieces of rock and a couple of days ago when cleaning I accidentally
> knocked one of the supporting rocks and the coral was on a 45° angle. It
> seemed quite happy about it but I wasn't so this morning I enlisted the
> help of my hubby to straighten it up because I can't reach that far into
> my tank with two hands. We managed to get it upright again but it was so
> difficult and I was wondering if anyone here has some words of wisdom to
> share with me? I mean this rock reminds me of the head of the femur that
> fits into the socket of the hip joint. I need a rock that has the right
> socket to get it really stable and the rock is way too small to support
> the weight of the coral.
>
> Is all coral this difficult to place? I really don't like handling it this
> much as I bet it doesn't like it. Is it just me or does everyone have
> trouble with their rock and it's placement and getting it to look how you
> want it to? I wish I'd started with a smaller tank!

Get some marine (reef safe) epoxy resin and stick the rock on to a more
substancial rock.

--
Regards,
Alan

Preserve wildlife - pickle a SQUIRREL to reply.

[devildog]

You really need both plumbers' epoxy and superglue gel. Generally
speaking, neither works well alone. So, if you're glueing a small
zooanthid colony, knead a small piece of epoxy; onto that, a dollop of
the gel. Then stick the base of the colony into the ball so its
secured by the gel. Then quickly add more gel to the bottom of the
epoxy ball and stick it onto the desired rock location and hold it
there for a minute. Hope that makes sense.

Only thing that will break it loose is my obnoxious female maroon
clown, who hates anything new. She'll butt it either until it breaks
or she has to return to her anemone.

[miskairal]

Thanks. I will be visiting the aquarium in a couple of weeks and will
ask them if they have some. I doubt very much anyone in my tiny town
would have something like that.

Alan Gabriel wrote:
> "miskairal" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>How do you put a coral in your tank? Sounds dumb I s'pose but I bought a
>>leather coral a couple of months ago (only coral I've bought so far) and
>>it came attached to a stupid little round rock that I hate. If the rock
>>were a living thing then I'd have killed it by now.
>>
>>It took me ages to get this dumb rock balanced and propped up by other
>>pieces of rock and a couple of days ago when cleaning I accidentally
>>knocked one of the supporting rocks and the coral was on a 45° angle. It
>>seemed quite happy about it but I wasn't so this morning I enlisted the
>>help of my hubby to straighten it up because I can't reach that far into
>>my tank with two hands. We managed to get it upright again but it was so
>>difficult and I was wondering if anyone here has some words of wisdom to
>>share with me? I mean this rock reminds me of the head of the femur that
>>fits into the socket of the hip joint. I need a rock that has the right
>>socket to get it really stable and the rock is way too small to support
>>the weight of the coral.
>>
>>Is all coral this difficult to place? I really don't like handling it this
>>much as I bet it doesn't like it. Is it just me or does everyone have
>>trouble with their rock and it's placement and getting it to look how you
>>want it to? I wish I'd started with a smaller tank!
>
>
> Get some marine (reef safe) epoxy resin and stick the rock on to a more
> substancial rock.
>

[miskairal]

Thanks Wayne. If I were to do it in the air, how long would be too long
to have the coral out?

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> No you don't have to wear gloves. You can do it under water, or in the air.
>
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> miskairal wrote on 2/17/2006 3:43 PM:
>
>> Oh my god, my coral will need anaesthetic for this! I bet if I did it
>> it would turn up it's toes. I really dont' think I can do this and I'm
>> not sure hubby has the dexterity in his fingers (thick farmer's
>> fingers). You'd never guess I was a registered nurse and then a goat
>> owner would you ;) I'll have to think about this for ages before I
>> can do it. I might even try to buy something cheaper and smaller to
>> try it on first.
>>
>> Do you do all this underwater or out in the air? Someone here once
>> wrote that you should wear gloves when handling a coral, was that you?
>> Does the rock you're trying to get it to attach to have to be fairly
>> smooth ie. how does it reattach? My leather has a stem (is that the
>> same as foot?) that is about 1 1/2 inches in diameter but it also has
>> like a tail that runs downwards from that for about an inch that is
>> only a few mm wide. How many needles would you use for that? I can get
>> needles from the vet no worries.
>>
>> Well I asked a question and got an anwer but I was assuming it would
>> be more along the lines of gluing the coral's liverock to another rock
>> or something :)
>>
>> ~Roy~ wrote:
>>
>>> I hate the frags of live rock etc that come attached to corals with a
>>> passion myself. I make it a point to remove the pieces of live rock
>>> off the corals bases. If it can be done right away and all at one time
>>> i do it, if not it may take a little bit of time for awile doing a
>>> little at a time.....
>>>
>>> I normally take a compound angle jaw cutter (or a wire cutting pliers
>>> will do) and cut, break as much of the rock off as possible. Then pace
>>> it back in tank, I will repeat this process untilI have removed it all
>>> or have it so pulverized up its like sand attached to the base of the
>>> coral.
>>>
>>> Then I use hypodermic needles to pin the coral where I want it. In
>>> about a week its shed all remaining tiny pices and firmy attached to
>>> its new base, and then I remove the needles.
>>> Needles stuck through leathers and polyps do not hurt them at all.
>>> SAme for shrooms and rics etc. Just stick needle thourh as close to
>>> but not through the mouth at a slight angle if possible so it exits
>>> out in or through the foot. Soft rock is relatively soft and just a
>>> slight pressure and twisting motion will easily push a needle into the
>>> rock to hold the coral.
>>>
>>> Use a piece of the rubber band they use to seal the bags up, and cut
>>> it into tiny pieces about 1/8" square or up to 1/4" square. Stick the
>>> needle through that piece of rubber band, and slide it up until it is
>>> all the way up on needle. Then stick needle through coral, place coral
>>> and secure needle in liverock......then slide the piece of rubber band
>>> down firmly onto the coral to hold it in place.....Works like a champ.
>>>
>>> If you can not get hypodermic needles (just the needle not entire
>>> syringe is used) you can use stainless steel dressmaker pins etc. They
>>> are commonly available in Dry goods and fabric shops as well as Wal
>>> MArts etc..
>>>
>>> YOu can apply a pice of ice to the stem or foot at the live rock on
>>> some corals and it will release. Even cut off the coral with a sharp
>>> blade as close as possible will work as well, except it may set the
>>> coral back a week or two, but it sure doe snot hurt them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:28:41 +1000, miskairal
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> <>How do you put a coral in your tank? Sounds dumb I s'pose but I
>>>>> bought a <> leather coral a couple of months ago (only coral I've
>>>>> bought so far) <>and it came attached to a stupid little round rock
>>>>> that I hate. If the <>rock were a living thing then I'd have killed
>>>>> it by now.
>>>>> <>
>>>>> <>It took me ages to get this dumb rock balanced and propped up by
>>>>> other <>pieces of rock and a couple of days ago when cleaning I
>>>>> accidentally <>knocked one of the supporting rocks and the coral
>>>>> was on a 45° angle. It <>seemed quite happy about it but I wasn't
>>>>> so this morning I enlisted the <>help of my hubby to straighten it
>>>>> up because I can't reach that far into <>my tank with two hands. We
>>>>> managed to get it upright again but it was so <>difficult and I was
>>>>> wondering if anyone here has some words of wisdom to <>share with
>>>>> me? I mean this rock reminds me of the head of the femur that
>>>>> <>fits into the socket of the hip joint. I need a rock that has the
>>>>> right <>socket to get it really stable and the rock is way too
>>>>> small to support <>the weight of the coral.
>>>>> <>
>>>>> <>Is all coral this difficult to place? I really don't like
>>>>> handling it <>this much as I bet it doesn't like it. Is it just me
>>>>> or does everyone <>have trouble with their rock and it's placement
>>>>> and getting it to look <>how you want it to? I wish I'd started
>>>>> with a smaller tank!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

[Wayne Sallee]

When the frag becomes dry to the touch.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



miskairal wrote on 2/18/2006 2:27 AM:
> Thanks Wayne. If I were to do it in the air, how long would be too long
> to have the coral out?
>
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
>
>> No you don't have to wear gloves. You can do it under water, or in the
>> air.
>>
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
>>
>> miskairal wrote on 2/17/2006 3:43 PM:
>>
>>> Oh my god, my coral will need anaesthetic for this! I bet if I did it
>>> it would turn up it's toes. I really dont' think I can do this and
>>> I'm not sure hubby has the dexterity in his fingers (thick farmer's
>>> fingers). You'd never guess I was a registered nurse and then a goat
>>> owner would you ;) I'll have to think about this for ages before I
>>> can do it. I might even try to buy something cheaper and smaller to
>>> try it on first.
>>>
>>> Do you do all this underwater or out in the air? Someone here once
>>> wrote that you should wear gloves when handling a coral, was that
>>> you? Does the rock you're trying to get it to attach to have to be
>>> fairly smooth ie. how does it reattach? My leather has a stem (is
>>> that the same as foot?) that is about 1 1/2 inches in diameter but it
>>> also has like a tail that runs downwards from that for about an inch
>>> that is only a few mm wide. How many needles would you use for that?
>>> I can get needles from the vet no worries.
>>>
>>> Well I asked a question and got an anwer but I was assuming it would
>>> be more along the lines of gluing the coral's liverock to another
>>> rock or something :)
>>>
>>> ~Roy~ wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hate the frags of live rock etc that come attached to corals with a
>>>> passion myself. I make it a point to remove the pieces of live rock
>>>> off the corals bases. If it can be done right away and all at one time
>>>> i do it, if not it may take a little bit of time for awile doing a
>>>> little at a time.....
>>>>
>>>> I normally take a compound angle jaw cutter (or a wire cutting pliers
>>>> will do) and cut, break as much of the rock off as possible. Then pace
>>>> it back in tank, I will repeat this process untilI have removed it all
>>>> or have it so pulverized up its like sand attached to the base of the
>>>> coral.
>>>>
>>>> Then I use hypodermic needles to pin the coral where I want it. In
>>>> about a week its shed all remaining tiny pices and firmy attached to
>>>> its new base, and then I remove the needles.
>>>> Needles stuck through leathers and polyps do not hurt them at all.
>>>> SAme for shrooms and rics etc. Just stick needle thourh as close to
>>>> but not through the mouth at a slight angle if possible so it exits
>>>> out in or through the foot. Soft rock is relatively soft and just a
>>>> slight pressure and twisting motion will easily push a needle into the
>>>> rock to hold the coral.
>>>>
>>>> Use a piece of the rubber band they use to seal the bags up, and cut
>>>> it into tiny pieces about 1/8" square or up to 1/4" square. Stick the
>>>> needle through that piece of rubber band, and slide it up until it is
>>>> all the way up on needle. Then stick needle through coral, place coral
>>>> and secure needle in liverock......then slide the piece of rubber band
>>>> down firmly onto the coral to hold it in place.....Works like a champ.
>>>>
>>>> If you can not get hypodermic needles (just the needle not entire
>>>> syringe is used) you can use stainless steel dressmaker pins etc. They
>>>> are commonly available in Dry goods and fabric shops as well as Wal
>>>> MArts etc..
>>>>
>>>> YOu can apply a pice of ice to the stem or foot at the live rock on
>>>> some corals and it will release. Even cut off the coral with a sharp
>>>> blade as close as possible will work as well, except it may set the
>>>> coral back a week or two, but it sure doe snot hurt them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:28:41 +1000, miskairal
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> <>How do you put a coral in your tank? Sounds dumb I s'pose but I
>>>>>> bought a <> leather coral a couple of months ago (only coral I've
>>>>>> bought so far) <>and it came attached to a stupid little round
>>>>>> rock that I hate. If the <>rock were a living thing then I'd have
>>>>>> killed it by now.
>>>>>> <>
>>>>>> <>It took me ages to get this dumb rock balanced and propped up by
>>>>>> other <>pieces of rock and a couple of days ago when cleaning I
>>>>>> accidentally <>knocked one of the supporting rocks and the coral
>>>>>> was on a 45° angle. It <>seemed quite happy about it but I wasn't
>>>>>> so this morning I enlisted the <>help of my hubby to straighten it
>>>>>> up because I can't reach that far into <>my tank with two hands.
>>>>>> We managed to get it upright again but it was so <>difficult and I
>>>>>> was wondering if anyone here has some words of wisdom to <>share
>>>>>> with me? I mean this rock reminds me of the head of the femur that
>>>>>> <>fits into the socket of the hip joint. I need a rock that has
>>>>>> the right <>socket to get it really stable and the rock is way too
>>>>>> small to support <>the weight of the coral.
>>>>>> <>
>>>>>> <>Is all coral this difficult to place? I really don't like
>>>>>> handling it <>this much as I bet it doesn't like it. Is it just me
>>>>>> or does everyone <>have trouble with their rock and it's placement
>>>>>> and getting it to look <>how you want it to? I wish I'd started
>>>>>> with a smaller tank!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

[~Roy~]

Yewa, you'll find the other inhabitants of a tank will always try to
rearrange things to thier liking over yuors. I hate the large or
small pice of rock corals are attached to and usuauly remove them
using various ways. So far I have never lost a single coral and I
reduce all those bits an dpices of rock in my rank so it gives it a
much more natural look .....


Super glue is super glue no matter where you live its all the same,
and completely safe to use in a tank but make sure its the gel type.
As for plumbers putty, you need to stay with the stuff that lists it
as having any metals listed as an ingredieint......such as "Epoxy
with Steel or aluminum etc" added for extra strength. On average you
can pretty well rest assured that the plain white epoxy putty is
metalic particle free, and it will not take much time for the white
color to get covered in coraline or algae anyhow. Just make sure it
states it will setup under water...Its no different than the high
priced coral epoxy they sell except the coral eppoxy putty is colored
to tie in with rock etc......certainly not worth the extra $$ in my
opinion. I know foks that routtinely use any 2 part epoxy and their
tanks are just fine.......The stuff looks like a roll of dough, in a
plastic tube. Looking at the end of the epoxy you can see two colors,
with the center of the stick having a core of a different color. For
example the white I Use has a white outer layer with a tan colored
center core. Cut a slice of it off and kneed it in your hand to mix
both componenets to make a uniform color, and then apply. Working time
from the time its blended together is usually 5 to 15 minuts. until
its sets up and hardens. Both it and super glue gel can be applied
under water just fine....but like I stated prevously in another post I
prefer to remove any rock attached and pin it in place, however with
colony polyps thats not possible so epoxy is used or super glue gel is
used.

I like fragging corals...I bought a pink/red ricordea Florida that is
perhaps my most expensive piece, and all I got was one polyp. I wanted
more of them really bad but could not justify the cost......so, I
crossed my fingers, and held my breath andI cut it into 4 pieces, and
in approximately 2 months I had 4 nice rics, that were totally healed
up and doing just fine. I have since again fragged them a few more
times, and now have one entire section of rock covered in
them........absolutely beautiful especially under actinics or lunar
lights.......

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:22:43 +1000, miskairal
> wrote:
>><>Thanks. I will be visiting the aquarium in a couple of weeks and will
>><>ask them if they have some. I doubt very much anyone in my tiny town
>><>would have something like that.
>><>
>><>Alan Gabriel wrote:
>><>> "miskairal" > wrote in message
>><>> ...
>><>>
>><>>>How do you put a coral in your tank? Sounds dumb I s'pose but I bought a
>><>>>leather coral a couple of months ago (only coral I've bought so far) and
>><>>>it came attached to a stupid little round rock that I hate. If the rock
>><>>>were a living thing then I'd have killed it by now.
>><>>>
>><>>>It took me ages to get this dumb rock balanced and propped up by other
>><>>>pieces of rock and a couple of days ago when cleaning I accidentally
>><>>>knocked one of the supporting rocks and the coral was on a 45° angle. It
>><>>>seemed quite happy about it but I wasn't so this morning I enlisted the
>><>>>help of my hubby to straighten it up because I can't reach that far into
>><>>>my tank with two hands. We managed to get it upright again but it was so
>><>>>difficult and I was wondering if anyone here has some words of wisdom to
>><>>>share with me? I mean this rock reminds me of the head of the femur that
>><>>>fits into the socket of the hip joint. I need a rock that has the right
>><>>>socket to get it really stable and the rock is way too small to support
>><>>>the weight of the coral.
>><>>>
>><>>>Is all coral this difficult to place? I really don't like handling it this
>><>>>much as I bet it doesn't like it. Is it just me or does everyone have
>><>>>trouble with their rock and it's placement and getting it to look how you
>><>>>want it to? I wish I'd started with a smaller tank!
>><>>
>><>>
>><>> Get some marine (reef safe) epoxy resin and stick the rock on to a more
>><>> substancial rock.
>><>>

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[miskairal]

I wish you lived next door to me but then you are probably glad you
don't :) I talked about fragging coral with hubby about a month ago. I
thought if he would do the first few cuts I'd be right after that but I
also figured it would be a year down the track, not when it's all so new
to me still.

~Roy~ wrote:
>
> Yewa, you'll find the other inhabitants of a tank will always try to
> rearrange things to thier liking over yuors. I hate the large or
> small pice of rock corals are attached to and usuauly remove them
> using various ways. So far I have never lost a single coral and I
> reduce all those bits an dpices of rock in my rank so it gives it a
> much more natural look .....
>
>
> Super glue is super glue no matter where you live its all the same,
> and completely safe to use in a tank but make sure its the gel type.
> As for plumbers putty, you need to stay with the stuff that lists it
> as having any metals listed as an ingredieint......such as "Epoxy
> with Steel or aluminum etc" added for extra strength. On average you
> can pretty well rest assured that the plain white epoxy putty is
> metalic particle free, and it will not take much time for the white
> color to get covered in coraline or algae anyhow. Just make sure it
> states it will setup under water...Its no different than the high
> priced coral epoxy they sell except the coral eppoxy putty is colored
> to tie in with rock etc......certainly not worth the extra $$ in my
> opinion. I know foks that routtinely use any 2 part epoxy and their
> tanks are just fine.......The stuff looks like a roll of dough, in a
> plastic tube. Looking at the end of the epoxy you can see two colors,
> with the center of the stick having a core of a different color. For
> example the white I Use has a white outer layer with a tan colored
> center core. Cut a slice of it off and kneed it in your hand to mix
> both componenets to make a uniform color, and then apply. Working time
> from the time its blended together is usually 5 to 15 minuts. until
> its sets up and hardens. Both it and super glue gel can be applied
> under water just fine....but like I stated prevously in another post I
> prefer to remove any rock attached and pin it in place, however with
> colony polyps thats not possible so epoxy is used or super glue gel is
> used.
>
> I like fragging corals...I bought a pink/red ricordea Florida that is
> perhaps my most expensive piece, and all I got was one polyp. I wanted
> more of them really bad but could not justify the cost......so, I
> crossed my fingers, and held my breath andI cut it into 4 pieces, and
> in approximately 2 months I had 4 nice rics, that were totally healed
> up and doing just fine. I have since again fragged them a few more
> times, and now have one entire section of rock covered in
> them........absolutely beautiful especially under actinics or lunar
> lights.......
>
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:22:43 +1000, miskairal
> > wrote:
>
>>><>Thanks. I will be visiting the aquarium in a couple of weeks and will
>>><>ask them if they have some. I doubt very much anyone in my tiny town
>>><>would have something like that.
>>><>
>>><>Alan Gabriel wrote:
>>><>> "miskairal" > wrote in message
>>><>> ...
>>><>>
>>><>>>How do you put a coral in your tank? Sounds dumb I s'pose but I bought a
>>><>>>leather coral a couple of months ago (only coral I've bought so far) and
>>><>>>it came attached to a stupid little round rock that I hate. If the rock
>>><>>>were a living thing then I'd have killed it by now.
>>><>>>
>>><>>>It took me ages to get this dumb rock balanced and propped up by other
>>><>>>pieces of rock and a couple of days ago when cleaning I accidentally
>>><>>>knocked one of the supporting rocks and the coral was on a 45° angle. It
>>><>>>seemed quite happy about it but I wasn't so this morning I enlisted the
>>><>>>help of my hubby to straighten it up because I can't reach that far into
>>><>>>my tank with two hands. We managed to get it upright again but it was so
>>><>>>difficult and I was wondering if anyone here has some words of wisdom to
>>><>>>share with me? I mean this rock reminds me of the head of the femur that
>>><>>>fits into the socket of the hip joint. I need a rock that has the right
>>><>>>socket to get it really stable and the rock is way too small to support
>>><>>>the weight of the coral.
>>><>>>
>>><>>>Is all coral this difficult to place? I really don't like handling it this
>>><>>>much as I bet it doesn't like it. Is it just me or does everyone have
>>><>>>trouble with their rock and it's placement and getting it to look how you
>>><>>>want it to? I wish I'd started with a smaller tank!
>>><>>
>>><>>
>>><>> Get some marine (reef safe) epoxy resin and stick the rock on to a more
>>><>> substancial rock.
>>><>>
>
>

[~Roy~]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:26:25 +1000, miskairal
> wrote:
>><>I wish you lived next door to me but then you are probably glad you
>><>don't :) I talked about fragging coral with hubby about a month ago. I
>><>thought if he would do the first few cuts I'd be right after that but I
>><>also figured it would be a year down the track, not when it's all so new
>><>to me still.
>><>
Ya gotta start sometime.........Its quick easy and supposedly painless
for the corals. Leathers are pretty neat to frag, just slice the stem
with a sharp knife, shrooms and rics are espeically easy.......

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