Fish Bowl Fish

[Mariachi]

I just came home with one of this giant brandy goblet things that I
plan on using as a fish bowl - it was a total spur of the moment
purchase! Anyway I am about to set up the bowl I read on this webpage
http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/fish_bowls.htm that I can't use
conditioned tap water? Have to use bottled water or something? So I am
just going to use some tank water from my other tank for now - that
should be ok right?

Anyway I was just wondering what kinds of fish you guys would suggest
for the fish bowl? It is around 1.5g. The site also suggested twice
weekly 20% water changes - is that like the standard for fish bowls?

Thanks in advance!

[Koi-Lo]

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
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>I just came home with one of this giant brandy goblet things that I
> plan on using as a fish bowl - it was a total spur of the moment
> purchase! Anyway I am about to set up the bowl I read on this webpage
> http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/fish_bowls.htm that I can't use
> conditioned tap water?

That makes no sense as long as you use a dechlorinater. That person must own
stock in a bottled water company. ;-)

Have to use bottled water or something? So I am
> just going to use some tank water from my other tank for now - that
> should be ok right?

Yes, but why not use fresh dechlorinated water instead?

> Anyway I was just wondering what kinds of fish you guys would suggest
> for the fish bowl?

A nice male betta.

It is around 1.5g. The site also suggested twice
> weekly 20% water changes - is that like the standard for fish bowls?

Whatever works best for you and your fish. I do 100% waterchanges about
every 2 weeks in bowls.

> Thanks in advance!
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>

[fish lover]

Don't bother with that. 1.5 g is too small for fish.

>I just came home with one of this giant brandy goblet things that I
>plan on using as a fish bowl - it was a total spur of the moment
>purchase! Anyway I am about to set up the bowl I read on this webpage
>http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/fish_bowls.htm that I can't use
>conditioned tap water? Have to use bottled water or something? So I am
>just going to use some tank water from my other tank for now - that
>should be ok right?
>
>Anyway I was just wondering what kinds of fish you guys would suggest
>for the fish bowl? It is around 1.5g. The site also suggested twice
>weekly 20% water changes - is that like the standard for fish bowls?
>
>Thanks in advance!

[Flash Wilson]

On 18 Feb 2006 22:12:13 -0800, Mariachi > wrote:
>I just came home with one of this giant brandy goblet things that I
>plan on using as a fish bowl - it was a total spur of the moment
>purchase!

Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large surface
area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
fill it. To be honest it sounds a bit like a non starter... how
easily will it break if knocked? Are you going to be able to cover
the top?

>conditioned tap water? Have to use bottled water or something?

I'm not sure why they say that. If your tap water matches the conditions
that your chosen fish needs, I can't see a problem. I use conditioned
tap water for my betta.

>Anyway I was just wondering what kinds of fish you guys would suggest
>for the fish bowl? It is around 1.5g.

One betta would be fine in that space. Very few other fish would cope
with that small a space, particularly as I imagine you don't have plans
to heat / oxygenate it.

> The site also suggested twice
>weekly 20% water changes - is that like the standard for fish bowls?

I don't change my betta tank's water very often (but it's twice
that size). As a starter I'd suggest a 100% change every week,
if you have a betta. It can be caught in, and stay in, a coffee cup
while you change the water. Avoids netting so it's easy and not
traumatic. But be sure that the water you put it back in is at
room temperature, same as the fish.

Hope that helps. To be honest if you want a small fish bowl I would
suggest you get a purpose built one.
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Well unfortunately a spontananeous purchase as such and intending to
house a fish in it is not really good, as even a Betta would benefit
greatly form some filtration, and a hob may or may not be able to be
hung from a typical brandy goblet (snifter/ sniffer?). ANyhow with
routine water changes a betta will do alright in that sized container,
and yes its a good idea to do a water change. 10 to 20 % is about the
norm......probably get by on 10% with suitable filter without a filter
I would do more % such as the 20% .

I don;t know why you could not use conditioned tap water.......I
certainly would not have a problem using conditioned tap water.

The only fish I would even consider is a Betta, but thats just me.
Stay away from ANY goldfish as they are just not suitable to keep in a
bowl or most aquariums. Bettas are easy keepers.


On 18 Feb 2006 22:12:13 -0800, "Mariachi" > wrote:
>><>I just came home with one of this giant brandy goblet things that I
>><>plan on using as a fish bowl - it was a total spur of the moment
>><>purchase! Anyway I am about to set up the bowl I read on this webpage
>><>http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/fish_bowls.htm that I can't use
>><>conditioned tap water? Have to use bottled water or something? So I am
>><>just going to use some tank water from my other tank for now - that
>><>should be ok right?
>><>
>><>Anyway I was just wondering what kinds of fish you guys would suggest
>><>for the fish bowl? It is around 1.5g. The site also suggested twice
>><>weekly 20% water changes - is that like the standard for fish bowls?
>><>
>><>Thanks in advance!

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[Koi-Lo]

"fish lover" > wrote in message
...
> Don't bother with that. 1.5 g is too small for fish.
===============
It would be excellent for a betta. :-)
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Koi-Lo wrote:
> "fish lover" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Don't bother with that. 1.5 g is too small for fish.
> ===============
> It would be excellent for a betta. :-)
> --


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[Altum]

Mariachi wrote:
> I just came home with one of this giant brandy goblet things that I
> plan on using as a fish bowl - it was a total spur of the moment
> purchase! Anyway I am about to set up the bowl I read on this webpage
> http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/fish_bowls.htm that I can't use
> conditioned tap water? Have to use bottled water or something? So I am
> just going to use some tank water from my other tank for now - that
> should be ok right?

Sounds pretty. Conditioned tap water is fine. So is tank water. You
have a fish tank - trust your experience! Let the water stand
overnight and it will be the right temperature.

> Anyway I was just wondering what kinds of fish you guys would suggest
> for the fish bowl? It is around 1.5g. The site also suggested twice
> weekly 20% water changes - is that like the standard for fish bowls?

You probably know that 1.5g is a small volume for any fish. Plants
help. I would go with a betta and try to find a warm spot to put the
bowl. IMO, changing 20% of the water isn't nearly enough. I would
change all of the water weekly.

[Koi-Lo]

"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
>
> Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large surface
> area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
> fill it.............
=================
That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the surface.
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[NetMax]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large surface
>> area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>> fill it.............
> =================
> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
> surface.
> --
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...


They get _some_ O2 from the surface, not clear how much. Going a little
OT..... since they respire with gills and their labyrinth organ, it's
unclear, if they could use only one or the other exclusively. Returning
back to the post, the water level should still be down at a wider section
for 2 reasons. It will have a bit more O2 in the water (which I think is
healthier long-term), and the most important reason, they are jumpers!
--
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[Richard Sexton]

In article om>,
Mariachi > wrote:
>Hey guys thanks for all your input. I've got a betta in there and he is
>swimming around quite happily. I have the water filled to about 2/3 the
>way up not quite at the widest part of the bowl but almost..I will fill
>it up a little less afterwards. I have some gravel from my tank and
>also a clump of java moss. What other kinds of plants are suggested?

Java fern. Lucky bamboo does well too.
>
>So 20% isn't enough? either 50-100% a week? Do i just like suck the
>crap off the bottom like w/ the tank like with a turkey baster or
>something like what? Or do i have to take the betta out every time and
>rinse the bowl etc etc?

No. Yes. Either way.



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[Tynk]

Koi-Lo wrote:
> "Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large surface
> > area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
> > fill it.............
> =================
> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the surface.
> --
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> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the surface.
> --
Just being nit picky here, but a Betta does get oxygen from the water
through their gills, as well as from the surface using their labyrinth
organ.
Think of it this way....
Bettas have a back up plan for getting oxygen because in the wild,
their native waters dry up during the dry season, and then refill when
the rains come back.
Mother Nature gave them a means for survival. This is also why they can
stay alive out of water for so darn long. If your pond dries up you
just flop about til you find a new one. = )
However, even though their labyrinth organ is a secondary means for
o2...if you block them getting to the surface for air they will drown.
In a filtered tank you'll see Bettas going up for air, of course. Just
not as often as one would that is kept in oxygen depleted water
(bowls).

As for a fish type that can go into that Brandy snifter....
Either a Betta, possibly 2-3 White Clouds (cold water fishes), or
Killies (hard to find).
Those are one or the other...not together.
People often make the mistake of thinking smaller is easier..not so in
the fish world.
Smaller is much harder to do, and leaves no room for errors.
A larger tank is much more forgiving with mistakes made by newbies.
(Or those of us who are well seasoned but have brain farts from time to
time). = )~

[Gail Futoran]

"Mariachi" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hey guys thanks for all your input. I've got a betta in there and he is
> swimming around quite happily. I have the water filled to about 2/3 the
> way up not quite at the widest part of the bowl but almost..I will fill
> it up a little less afterwards. I have some gravel from my tank and
> also a clump of java moss. What other kinds of plants are suggested?
[snip]

If you could find some dwarf hairgrass or
micro swords, you could plant those in small
pots. They shouldn't take up much room.

Also, some plants that are normally planted in
a substrate do ok left floating. I have so many
plant babies I can't plant them all but let them
float on the surface. My fish seem to like
them. You don't have a lot of room but I wonder
what the experts here would think about you
floating a few plants (like crypts?) in your bowl.

Gail

[Koi-Lo]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Koi-Lo wrote:
>> "Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large surface
>> > area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>> > fill it.............
>> =================
>> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>> surface.
>> --
>> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>> Aquariums since 1952
>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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>
>
>> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>> surface.
>> --
> Just being nit picky here, but a Betta does get oxygen from the water
> through their gills, as well as from the surface using their labyrinth
> organ.

Of course they do but they wont suffocate in a bowl. If the water is high
in oxygen they go to the surface less. But they don't need the large
surface area a goldfish would need in a bowl. THAT WAS MY POINT - thank
you. :-)

> However, even though their labyrinth organ is a secondary means for
> o2...if you block them getting to the surface for air they will drown.
> In a filtered tank you'll see Bettas going up for air, of course. Just
> not as often as one would that is kept in oxygen depleted water
> (bowls).

Right, but we're talking about a bowl here and surface area, not an aerated
tank.

> As for a fish type that can go into that Brandy snifter....
> Either a Betta, possibly 2-3 White Clouds (cold water fishes), or
> Killies (hard to find).

I disagree. Without aeration they wont fare much better than a small
goldfish would.

> Those are one or the other...not together.
> People often make the mistake of thinking smaller is easier..not so in
> the fish world.
> Smaller is much harder to do, and leaves no room for errors.
> A larger tank is much more forgiving with mistakes made by newbies.
> (Or those of us who are well seasoned but have brain farts from time to
> time). = )~
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>

[Koi-Lo]

"Gail Futoran" > wrote in message
...
> Also, some plants that are normally planted in
> a substrate do ok left floating. I have so many
> plant babies I can't plant them all but let them
> float on the surface. My fish seem to like
> them. You don't have a lot of room but I wonder
> what the experts here would think about you
> floating a few plants (like crypts?) in your bowl.
==========================
Water lettuce does well in bowls with enough light and fertilizer. :-)
They stay small, around the size of a silver dollar.
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[Richard Sexton]

>Killies (hard to find).

Hard to find in petshops, but every city is within 100 and sometimes 10 miles
of some guh whohas dozens of tanks of them and is usually quite happy to give
a pair away to inflict their addiction to another. In the US check out the
American Killifish Association and find local members.

I considered killies quite rare till I figured this out, now I'd say that
any species is 3-24 hours away no matter what it is.


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Not totally right idiot


On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:39:12 -0600, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:
>><>
>><>"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
>><>>
>><>> Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large surface
>><>> area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>><>> fill it.............
>><>=================
>><>That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the surface.

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[Koi-Lo]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large surface
>>> area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>>> fill it.............
>> =================
>> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>> surface.
>> --
>> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>
>
> They get _some_ O2 from the surface, not clear how much. Going a little
> OT..... since they respire with gills and their labyrinth organ, it's
> unclear, if they could use only one or the other exclusively.

I remember reading years ago in TFH (?) magazine that they will suffocate if
prevented from reaching the surface for a gulp of air. I can't bring myself
to prevent one from reaching the surface to see what happens. They will not
suffocate no matter how lacking in oxygen the water is if they can reach the
surface the article said. After 2 weeks in these small tanks I would think
the water would be pretty low in oxygen. Even a small goldfish would be
gasping at the surface. :-( I keep covers on the tanks/bowls. Maybe
someone knows of a website going into this topic further..........

Returning
> back to the post, the water level should still be down at a wider section
> for 2 reasons. It will have a bit more O2 in the water (which I think is
> healthier long-term), and the most important reason, they are jumpers!
> --
> www.NetMax.tk

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[NetMax]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large
>>>> surface
>>>> area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>>>> fill it.............
>>> =================
>>> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>>> surface.
>>> --
>>> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>>
>>
>> They get _some_ O2 from the surface, not clear how much. Going a
>> little OT..... since they respire with gills and their labyrinth
>> organ, it's unclear, if they could use only one or the other
>> exclusively.
>
> I remember reading years ago in TFH (?) magazine that they will
> suffocate if prevented from reaching the surface for a gulp of air. I
> can't bring myself to prevent one from reaching the surface to see what
> happens. They will not suffocate no matter how lacking in oxygen the
> water is if they can reach the surface the article said. After 2 weeks
> in these small tanks I would think the water would be pretty low in
> oxygen. Even a small goldfish would be gasping at the surface.
> :-( I keep covers on the tanks/bowls. Maybe someone knows of a
> website going into this topic further..........


There was a debate about this here years ago. I think Tynk was saying
the same thing about suffocation if prevented from reaching the surface.
We talked about how to test it (with great enthusiasm from Shawn, our
resident biologist then) but no one wanted to do the test.
--
www.NetMax.tk

> Returning
>> back to the post, the water level should still be down at a wider
>> section for 2 reasons. It will have a bit more O2 in the water (which
>> I think is healthier long-term), and the most important reason, they
>> are jumpers!
>> --
>> www.NetMax.tk
>
> --
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> Aquariums since 1952
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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>
>
>
>

[Tynk]

Koi-Lo wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Koi-Lo wrote:
> >> "Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large surface
> >> > area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
> >> > fill it.............
> >> =================
> >> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
> >> surface.
> >> --
> >> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> >> Aquariums since 1952
> >> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
> >
> >
> >> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
> >> surface.
> >> --
> > Just being nit picky here, but a Betta does get oxygen from the water
> > through their gills, as well as from the surface using their labyrinth
> > organ.
>
> Of course they do but they wont suffocate in a bowl. If the water is high
> in oxygen they go to the surface less. But they don't need the large
> surface area a goldfish would need in a bowl. THAT WAS MY POINT - thank
> you. :-)
>
> > However, even though their labyrinth organ is a secondary means for
> > o2...if you block them getting to the surface for air they will drown.
> > In a filtered tank you'll see Bettas going up for air, of course. Just
> > not as often as one would that is kept in oxygen depleted water
> > (bowls).
>
> Right, but we're talking about a bowl here and surface area, not an aerated
> tank.
>
> > As for a fish type that can go into that Brandy snifter....
> > Either a Betta, possibly 2-3 White Clouds (cold water fishes), or
> > Killies (hard to find).
>
> I disagree. Without aeration they wont fare much better than a small
> goldfish would.
>
> > Those are one or the other...not together.
> > People often make the mistake of thinking smaller is easier..not so in
> > the fish world.
> > Smaller is much harder to do, and leaves no room for errors.
> > A larger tank is much more forgiving with mistakes made by newbies.
> > (Or those of us who are well seasoned but have brain farts from time to
> > time). = )~
> --
>
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> Aquariums since 1952
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
>
>
>
> >

Carol...
This is why I felt the need for a further explaination of how and where
Bettas get oxygen from, because your statement had made it seem that
you were saying they *only* get oxygen from the surface. That's why I
posted what I did. I had nothing to do with the surface are point you
and other posters were talking about. So forget about the surface area
part of the conversation and just the part about where Bettas get their
oxygen from (you stated the surface and didn't mention that they use
their gills fully too).

***> Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large
surface
> area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
> fill it.............

***Carol's reply**
=================
>That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the surface.

**My comment**
> > Just being nit picky here, but a Betta does get oxygen from the water
> > through their gills, as well as from the surface using their labyrinth
> > organ.
>
You then replied to that comment by saying:

**> Of course they do but they wont suffocate in a bowl.

I take this comment as a little defensive on your part, but there
wasn't a need for it.
It doesn't matter so much that they *can* get oxygen from the surface
as well as using their gills, it's more so a water quality issue.
A Betta that was kept in water that was more oxygenated than another
Betta's water was, that first Betta would be in better shape.
Internally as well as externally.
If you had 2 bowls. Both holding exactly the same amount of water, were
the same shapes except for the mouth of the bowl. One was open, about
as wide as the bowl is wide, and the other bowl had a much smaller
opening (more like a vase top).
The bowl with the wider opening will have better oxygenated water
(surface area exchange).
This benifits Bettas, as well as any other labyrinth fish.
Sometimes I think hobbyists focus a little too much on their ability to
breathe surface air and don't give them the same standards of water
quality as they do their other fish.
I think they deserve the same treatment. (that's a general comment,
not directed toward you Carol).


> > However, even though their labyrinth organ is a secondary means for
> > o2...if you block them getting to the surface for air they will drown.
> > In a filtered tank you'll see Bettas going up for air, of course. Just
> > not as often as one would that is kept in oxygen depleted water
> > (bowls).
>
> Right, but we're talking about a bowl here and surface area, not an aerated
> tank.
>
Yes, Carol. I know. I just added a bit of information to it.
My comment was on the subject of oxygen in the water.
Wider surface are = more oxygen exchange.
Less surface are = less oxygen in the water.
Less to none oxygen in the water, the Betta has to use it's secondary
means of O2, 100%.
See how that fits into with my comments.
Wait for it............
Just razzing you. = )~ But do you see how it fits in. You weren't wrong
in what you said about Bettas getting oxygen from the surface.
But when you look at it from a water quality point, a larger surface
area would be better.

[Mr. Gardener]

On 22 Feb 2006 10:20:39 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:

>
>Koi-Lo wrote:
>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >
>> > Koi-Lo wrote:
>> >> "Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large surface
>> >> > area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>> >> > fill it.............
>> >> =================
>> >> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>> >> surface.
>> >> --
>> >> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>> >> Aquariums since 1952
>> >> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>> >
>> >
>> >> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>> >> surface.
>> >> --
>> > Just being nit picky here, but a Betta does get oxygen from the water
>> > through their gills, as well as from the surface using their labyrinth
>> > organ.
>>
>> Of course they do but they wont suffocate in a bowl. If the water is high
>> in oxygen they go to the surface less. But they don't need the large
>> surface area a goldfish would need in a bowl. THAT WAS MY POINT - thank
>> you. :-)
>>
>> > However, even though their labyrinth organ is a secondary means for
>> > o2...if you block them getting to the surface for air they will drown.
>> > In a filtered tank you'll see Bettas going up for air, of course. Just
>> > not as often as one would that is kept in oxygen depleted water
>> > (bowls).
>>
>> Right, but we're talking about a bowl here and surface area, not an aerated
>> tank.
>>
>> > As for a fish type that can go into that Brandy snifter....
>> > Either a Betta, possibly 2-3 White Clouds (cold water fishes), or
>> > Killies (hard to find).
>>
>> I disagree. Without aeration they wont fare much better than a small
>> goldfish would.
>>
>> > Those are one or the other...not together.
>> > People often make the mistake of thinking smaller is easier..not so in
>> > the fish world.
>> > Smaller is much harder to do, and leaves no room for errors.
>> > A larger tank is much more forgiving with mistakes made by newbies.
>> > (Or those of us who are well seasoned but have brain farts from time to
>> > time). = )~
>> --
>>
>> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>> Aquariums since 1952
>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>
>Carol...
>This is why I felt the need for a further explaination of how and where
>Bettas get oxygen from, because your statement had made it seem that
>you were saying they *only* get oxygen from the surface. That's why I
>posted what I did. I had nothing to do with the surface are point you
>and other posters were talking about. So forget about the surface area
>part of the conversation and just the part about where Bettas get their
>oxygen from (you stated the surface and didn't mention that they use
>their gills fully too).
>
>***> Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large
>surface
>> area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>> fill it.............
>
>***Carol's reply**
>=================
>>That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the surface.
>
>**My comment**
>> > Just being nit picky here, but a Betta does get oxygen from the water
>> > through their gills, as well as from the surface using their labyrinth
>> > organ.
>>
>You then replied to that comment by saying:
>
>**> Of course they do but they wont suffocate in a bowl.
>
>I take this comment as a little defensive on your part, but there
>wasn't a need for it.
>It doesn't matter so much that they *can* get oxygen from the surface
>as well as using their gills, it's more so a water quality issue.
>A Betta that was kept in water that was more oxygenated than another
>Betta's water was, that first Betta would be in better shape.
>Internally as well as externally.
>If you had 2 bowls. Both holding exactly the same amount of water, were
>the same shapes except for the mouth of the bowl. One was open, about
>as wide as the bowl is wide, and the other bowl had a much smaller
>opening (more like a vase top).
>The bowl with the wider opening will have better oxygenated water
>(surface area exchange).
>This benifits Bettas, as well as any other labyrinth fish.
>Sometimes I think hobbyists focus a little too much on their ability to
>breathe surface air and don't give them the same standards of water
>quality as they do their other fish.
>I think they deserve the same treatment. (that's a general comment,
>not directed toward you Carol).
>
>
>> > However, even though their labyrinth organ is a secondary means for
>> > o2...if you block them getting to the surface for air they will drown.
>> > In a filtered tank you'll see Bettas going up for air, of course. Just
>> > not as often as one would that is kept in oxygen depleted water
>> > (bowls).
>>
>> Right, but we're talking about a bowl here and surface area, not an aerated
>> tank.
>>
>Yes, Carol. I know. I just added a bit of information to it.
>My comment was on the subject of oxygen in the water.
>Wider surface are = more oxygen exchange.
>Less surface are = less oxygen in the water.
>Less to none oxygen in the water, the Betta has to use it's secondary
>means of O2, 100%.
>See how that fits into with my comments.
>Wait for it............
>Just razzing you. = )~ But do you see how it fits in. You weren't wrong
>in what you said about Bettas getting oxygen from the surface.
>But when you look at it from a water quality point, a larger surface
>area would be better.

When I buy a betta, I am not going to tell Tynk or KoiLo. I will keep
his housing and circumstances a secret between me and betta.

-- Mr Gardener

[Gill Passman]

Mr. Gardener wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2006 10:20:39 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
>
>>Koi-Lo wrote:
>>
>>>"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>>>
>>>>Koi-Lo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large surface
>>>>>>area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>>>>>>fill it.............
>>>>>
>>>>>=================
>>>>>That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>>>>>surface.
>>>>>--
>>>>>Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>>>>>Aquariums since 1952
>>>>>My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>>>>>~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>>>>>surface.
>>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Just being nit picky here, but a Betta does get oxygen from the water
>>>>through their gills, as well as from the surface using their labyrinth
>>>>organ.
>>>
>>>Of course they do but they wont suffocate in a bowl. If the water is high
>>>in oxygen they go to the surface less. But they don't need the large
>>>surface area a goldfish would need in a bowl. THAT WAS MY POINT - thank
>>>you. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>>However, even though their labyrinth organ is a secondary means for
>>>>o2...if you block them getting to the surface for air they will drown.
>>>>In a filtered tank you'll see Bettas going up for air, of course. Just
>>>>not as often as one would that is kept in oxygen depleted water
>>>>(bowls).
>>>
>>>Right, but we're talking about a bowl here and surface area, not an aerated
>>>tank.
>>>
>>>
>>>>As for a fish type that can go into that Brandy snifter....
>>>>Either a Betta, possibly 2-3 White Clouds (cold water fishes), or
>>>>Killies (hard to find).
>>>
>>>I disagree. Without aeration they wont fare much better than a small
>>>goldfish would.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Those are one or the other...not together.
>>>>People often make the mistake of thinking smaller is easier..not so in
>>>>the fish world.
>>>>Smaller is much harder to do, and leaves no room for errors.
>>>>A larger tank is much more forgiving with mistakes made by newbies.
>>>>(Or those of us who are well seasoned but have brain farts from time to
>>>>time). = )~
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>>>Aquariums since 1952
>>>My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>>http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>>>~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Carol...
>>This is why I felt the need for a further explaination of how and where
>>Bettas get oxygen from, because your statement had made it seem that
>>you were saying they *only* get oxygen from the surface. That's why I
>>posted what I did. I had nothing to do with the surface are point you
>>and other posters were talking about. So forget about the surface area
>>part of the conversation and just the part about where Bettas get their
>>oxygen from (you stated the surface and didn't mention that they use
>>their gills fully too).
>>
>>***> Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large
>>surface
>>
>>>area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>>>fill it.............
>>
>>***Carol's reply**
>>=================
>>
>>>That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the surface.
>>
>>**My comment**
>>
>>>>Just being nit picky here, but a Betta does get oxygen from the water
>>>>through their gills, as well as from the surface using their labyrinth
>>>>organ.
>>>
>>You then replied to that comment by saying:
>>
>>**> Of course they do but they wont suffocate in a bowl.
>>
>>I take this comment as a little defensive on your part, but there
>>wasn't a need for it.
>>It doesn't matter so much that they *can* get oxygen from the surface
>>as well as using their gills, it's more so a water quality issue.
>>A Betta that was kept in water that was more oxygenated than another
>>Betta's water was, that first Betta would be in better shape.
>>Internally as well as externally.
>>If you had 2 bowls. Both holding exactly the same amount of water, were
>>the same shapes except for the mouth of the bowl. One was open, about
>>as wide as the bowl is wide, and the other bowl had a much smaller
>>opening (more like a vase top).
>>The bowl with the wider opening will have better oxygenated water
>>(surface area exchange).
>>This benifits Bettas, as well as any other labyrinth fish.
>>Sometimes I think hobbyists focus a little too much on their ability to
>>breathe surface air and don't give them the same standards of water
>>quality as they do their other fish.
>>I think they deserve the same treatment. (that's a general comment,
>>not directed toward you Carol).
>>
>>
>>
>>>>However, even though their labyrinth organ is a secondary means for
>>>>o2...if you block them getting to the surface for air they will drown.
>>>>In a filtered tank you'll see Bettas going up for air, of course. Just
>>>>not as often as one would that is kept in oxygen depleted water
>>>>(bowls).
>>>
>>>Right, but we're talking about a bowl here and surface area, not an aerated
>>>tank.
>>>
>>
>>Yes, Carol. I know. I just added a bit of information to it.
>>My comment was on the subject of oxygen in the water.
>>Wider surface are = more oxygen exchange.
>>Less surface are = less oxygen in the water.
>>Less to none oxygen in the water, the Betta has to use it's secondary
>>means of O2, 100%.
>>See how that fits into with my comments.
>>Wait for it............
>>Just razzing you. = )~ But do you see how it fits in. You weren't wrong
>>in what you said about Bettas getting oxygen from the surface.
>>But when you look at it from a water quality point, a larger surface
>>area would be better.
>
>
> When I buy a betta, I am not going to tell Tynk or KoiLo. I will keep
> his housing and circumstances a secret between me and betta.
>
> -- Mr Gardener

But I bet one day you just won't be able to resist : - ). You will be so
proud of the chap that you will just want to shout about him and post
pictures...darn wish I had my website going - then you could see Boris
the red betta in all of his glory...

Gill

[NetMax]

"Mr. Gardener" > wrote in message
...
> On 22 Feb 2006 10:20:39 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
>>
>>Koi-Lo wrote:
>>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>>> ups.com...
>>> >
>>> > Koi-Lo wrote:
>>> >> "Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large
>>> >> > surface
>>> >> > area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>>> >> > fill it.............
>>> >> =================
>>> >> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>>> >> surface.
>>> >> --
>>> >> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>>> >> Aquariums since 1952
>>> >> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>> >> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>>> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>>> >> surface.
>>> >> --
>>> > Just being nit picky here, but a Betta does get oxygen from the water
>>> > through their gills, as well as from the surface using their labyrinth
>>> > organ.
>>>
>>> Of course they do but they wont suffocate in a bowl. If the water is
>>> high
>>> in oxygen they go to the surface less. But they don't need the large
>>> surface area a goldfish would need in a bowl. THAT WAS MY POINT - thank
>>> you. :-)
>>>
>>> > However, even though their labyrinth organ is a secondary means for
>>> > o2...if you block them getting to the surface for air they will drown.
>>> > In a filtered tank you'll see Bettas going up for air, of course. Just
>>> > not as often as one would that is kept in oxygen depleted water
>>> > (bowls).
>>>
>>> Right, but we're talking about a bowl here and surface area, not an
>>> aerated
>>> tank.
>>>
>>> > As for a fish type that can go into that Brandy snifter....
>>> > Either a Betta, possibly 2-3 White Clouds (cold water fishes), or
>>> > Killies (hard to find).
>>>
>>> I disagree. Without aeration they wont fare much better than a small
>>> goldfish would.
>>>
>>> > Those are one or the other...not together.
>>> > People often make the mistake of thinking smaller is easier..not so in
>>> > the fish world.
>>> > Smaller is much harder to do, and leaves no room for errors.
>>> > A larger tank is much more forgiving with mistakes made by newbies.
>>> > (Or those of us who are well seasoned but have brain farts from time
>>> > to
>>> > time). = )~
>>> --
>>>
>>> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>>> Aquariums since 1952
>>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>>> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>
>>Carol...
>>This is why I felt the need for a further explaination of how and where
>>Bettas get oxygen from, because your statement had made it seem that
>>you were saying they *only* get oxygen from the surface. That's why I
>>posted what I did. I had nothing to do with the surface are point you
>>and other posters were talking about. So forget about the surface area
>>part of the conversation and just the part about where Bettas get their
>>oxygen from (you stated the surface and didn't mention that they use
>>their gills fully too).
>>
>>***> Um. Ok. If it's round, though, remember you will need a large
>>surface
>>> area for the water to oxygenate, so you might only be able to half
>>> fill it.............
>>
>>***Carol's reply**
>>=================
>>>That doesn't apply to a betta since they get their oxygen from the
>>>surface.
>>
>>**My comment**
>>> > Just being nit picky here, but a Betta does get oxygen from the water
>>> > through their gills, as well as from the surface using their labyrinth
>>> > organ.
>>>
>>You then replied to that comment by saying:
>>
>>**> Of course they do but they wont suffocate in a bowl.
>>
>>I take this comment as a little defensive on your part, but there
>>wasn't a need for it.
>>It doesn't matter so much that they *can* get oxygen from the surface
>>as well as using their gills, it's more so a water quality issue.
>>A Betta that was kept in water that was more oxygenated than another
>>Betta's water was, that first Betta would be in better shape.
>>Internally as well as externally.
>>If you had 2 bowls. Both holding exactly the same amount of water, were
>>the same shapes except for the mouth of the bowl. One was open, about
>>as wide as the bowl is wide, and the other bowl had a much smaller
>>opening (more like a vase top).
>>The bowl with the wider opening will have better oxygenated water
>>(surface area exchange).
>>This benifits Bettas, as well as any other labyrinth fish.
>>Sometimes I think hobbyists focus a little too much on their ability to
>>breathe surface air and don't give them the same standards of water
>>quality as they do their other fish.
>>I think they deserve the same treatment. (that's a general comment,
>>not directed toward you Carol).
>>
>>
>>> > However, even though their labyrinth organ is a secondary means for
>>> > o2...if you block them getting to the surface for air they will drown.
>>> > In a filtered tank you'll see Bettas going up for air, of course. Just
>>> > not as often as one would that is kept in oxygen depleted water
>>> > (bowls).
>>>
>>> Right, but we're talking about a bowl here and surface area, not an
>>> aerated
>>> tank.
>>>
>>Yes, Carol. I know. I just added a bit of information to it.
>>My comment was on the subject of oxygen in the water.
>>Wider surface are = more oxygen exchange.
>>Less surface are = less oxygen in the water.
>>Less to none oxygen in the water, the Betta has to use it's secondary
>>means of O2, 100%.
>>See how that fits into with my comments.
>>Wait for it............
>>Just razzing you. = )~ But do you see how it fits in. You weren't wrong
>>in what you said about Bettas getting oxygen from the surface.
>>But when you look at it from a water quality point, a larger surface
>>area would be better.
>
> When I buy a betta, I am not going to tell Tynk or KoiLo. I will keep
> his housing and circumstances a secret between me and betta.
>
> -- Mr Gardener

LOL
my Betta? what Betta? what makes you think I have a Betta? I don't see no
Bettas! no Bettas here . no sir... not here...
;~)
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Flash Wilson]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:14:55 -0500, Mr. Gardener wrote:
>When I buy a betta, I am not going to tell Tynk or KoiLo. I will keep
>his housing and circumstances a secret between me and betta.

*laugh out loud*

I know what you mean! I do side with Tynk - as I said originally
I think the bowl needs a wide surface area for better oxygenation.
But people have laid into me recently for the fact that I only
do a 100% change in my 2.25 UK gallon tank once a month. The point
is it works for me... my Betta has lived in her tank for a few
years now and seems quite happy and healthy with the setup.

I guess, to each their own to some extent. I'm sure Netmax (and
others) can think of examples that shouldn't work on paper but
do in practise.

But I do think we should give our fish the best chance and do
all we can for them. Knowing that a betta both uses gills and
a labyrinth organ, we should try to cater to its need in both
cases and to provide the best situation possible - not say "oh
it will be ok, it can gulp air if it has to".


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[Richard Sexton]

Folks, we've falled into the habit of adding two lines of comments
to 200 lines of quoted material.

Quoted Usenet postings, like pubic hair, should be trimmed.


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[Mr. Gardener]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:54:45 +0000 (UTC),
(Richard Sexton) wrote:

>Folks, we've falled into the habit of adding two lines of comments
>to 200 lines of quoted material.
>
>Quoted Usenet postings, like pubic hair, should be trimmed.

Amen. We really should strive to keep our messages shorter than our
signatures.

-- Mr Gardener

[Altum]

NetMax wrote:
> "Mr. Gardener" > wrote in message

> > When I buy a betta, I am not going to tell Tynk or KoiLo. I will keep
> > his housing and circumstances a secret between me and betta.
> >
> > -- Mr Gardener
>
> LOL
> my Betta? what Betta? what makes you think I have a Betta? I don't see no
> Bettas! no Bettas here . no sir... not here...
> ;~)

Hmmm...small fish, fine in a smallish tank, aggressive, tolerant of a
wide range of water conditions and temperatures, only eats live food,
and jumps with no provocation. I know!!! Mine's an ummm...longfin
Aplocheilus altum. Yeah...that's the ticket...

[NetMax]

"Altum" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> NetMax wrote:
>> "Mr. Gardener" > wrote in message
>
>> > When I buy a betta, I am not going to tell Tynk or KoiLo. I will
>> > keep
>> > his housing and circumstances a secret between me and betta.
>> >
>> > -- Mr Gardener
>>
>> LOL
>> my Betta? what Betta? what makes you think I have a Betta? I don't
>> see no
>> Bettas! no Bettas here . no sir... not here...
>> ;~)
>
> Hmmm...small fish, fine in a smallish tank, aggressive, tolerant of a
> wide range of water conditions and temperatures, only eats live food,
> and jumps with no provocation. I know!!! Mine's an ummm...longfin
> Aplocheilus altum. Yeah...that's the ticket...


Ah yes, the forked-tongue panchax, from when Fester Altum travelled
through New Zealand. Quite the living, travelling around the world
catching and naming fish after yourself. There are enough axelrodi and
agassizi, though I haven't seen a loiselle or a konings yet. How about a
Netmaxia prevaricator?
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Koi-Lo]

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Carol...
> This is why I felt the need for a further explaination of how and where
> Bettas get oxygen from, because your statement had made it seem that
> you were saying they *only* get oxygen from the surface.
=============
I should have said they *CAN* get the oxygen they need from the surface. :-)
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Koi-Lo]

"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
Knowing that a betta both uses gills and
> a labyrinth organ, we should try to cater to its need in both
> cases and to provide the best situation possible - not say "oh
> it will be ok, it can gulp air if it has to".
=============================
"If it has to?" Even in filtered aerated tanks my bettas, males and
females both, "gulped air" from the surface. :-)
--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Richard Sexton]

>Ah yes, the forked-tongue panchax, from when Fester Altum travelled
>through New Zealand. Quite the living, travelling around the world
>catching and naming fish after yourself. There are enough axelrodi and
>agassizi, though I haven't seen a loiselle or a konings yet. How about a
>Netmaxia prevaricator?

Got a picture of that?

I wrote a killi column in TFH once and make a joke about "Raricthys
unobtaneum" and the photo editor photoshopped some extra fins on
to an Aphyosemion bivittatum to illustrate aforementioned fish.

I got phone calls asking where to buy the fish.

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[Mr. Gardener]

On 22 Feb 2006 17:23:58 -0800, "Altum" > wrote:

>
>NetMax wrote:
>> "Mr. Gardener" > wrote in message
>
>> > When I buy a betta, I am not going to tell Tynk or KoiLo. I will keep
>> > his housing and circumstances a secret between me and betta.
>> >
>> > -- Mr Gardener
>>
>> LOL
>> my Betta? what Betta? what makes you think I have a Betta? I don't see no
>> Bettas! no Bettas here . no sir... not here...
>> ;~)
>
>Hmmm...small fish, fine in a smallish tank, aggressive, tolerant of a
>wide range of water conditions and temperatures, only eats live food,
>and jumps with no provocation. I know!!! Mine's an ummm...longfin
>Aplocheilus altum. Yeah...that's the ticket...

Never heard of 'em. Don't want to.

-- Mr Gardener

[Flash Wilson]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:54:45 +0000 (UTC), Richard Sexton wrote:
>Quoted Usenet postings, like pubic hair, should be trimmed.

I quite agree. I don't know what you were referring to
exactly though, or whether you think I was an offender,
because you didn't provide any context at all!



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[Mr. Gardener]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:37:03 +0000 (UTC), (Flash
Wilson) wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:54:45 +0000 (UTC), Richard Sexton wrote:
>>Quoted Usenet postings, like pubic hair, should be trimmed.
>
>I quite agree. I don't know what you were referring to
>exactly though, or whether you think I was an offender,
>because you didn't provide any context at all!

Hey Flash - we're ALL offenders. Referring to the excessive message
quoting. I don't know about the pubic hair, I can only speak for
myself. And Mrs. Gardener.

-- Mr Gardener

[Richard Sexton]

In article >,
Flash Wilson > wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:54:45 +0000 (UTC), Richard Sexton wrote:
>>Quoted Usenet postings, like pubic hair, should be trimmed.
>
>I quite agree. I don't know what you were referring to
>exactly though, or whether you think I was an offender,
>because you didn't provide any context at all!

Have you looked at other posts in this thread?

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[Flash Wilson]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:58:46 +0000 (UTC), Richard Sexton wrote:
>Have you looked at other posts in this thread?

A few days ago, yes. My news reader only presents me with new
unread posts, and I read loads every day, responding at the time
of reading if relevant. What are you expecting me to remember? :)

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[Richard Sexton]

In article >,
Flash Wilson > wrote:
>On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:58:46 +0000 (UTC), Richard Sexton wrote:
>>Have you looked at other posts in this thread?
>
>A few days ago, yes. My news reader only presents me with new
>unread posts, and I read loads every day, responding at the time
>of reading if relevant. What are you expecting me to remember? :)

Well, yesterday at 4 pm there were roughly a dozen new posts, 200
lines in this thread with 1-3 lines of new text added. The bogosity sensors
went off.

The guilty have been shot and morale will now improve considrably.

Ave Eris. All hail discordia.

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[Tynk]

Koi-Lo wrote:
> "Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
> ...
> Knowing that a betta both uses gills and
> > a labyrinth organ, we should try to cater to its need in both
> > cases and to provide the best situation possible - not say "oh
> > it will be ok, it can gulp air if it has to".
> =============================
> "If it has to?" Even in filtered aerated tanks my bettas, males and
> females both, "gulped air" from the surface. :-)
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> "If it has to?" Even in filtered aerated tanks my bettas, males and
> females both, "gulped air" from the surface. :-)
> --

Absolutely Bettas need to do both.
I often have trouble with my self when saying their labyrinth organ is
for secondary o2 because they must use it or die. It's like it's partly
primary. lol
I think the point of better water quality is better for the fish was
taken and that their comment may have just came out a bit wrong. That's
how I took it.
But you're right on...they must use their labyrinth even in filtered
tank....just not so much. ; )