Aquarium Heaters - Tronic & Ebo Jager

[David]

Hi All,

My current heater isn't keeping a very consistent temp for me so I am
shopping for a new one. From what I've read the Tronic and Ebo Jager
seem to be the two top picks. I'm confused at how the word
submersible is used. Is the Ebo Jager only partially submersible? I
guess I was thinking of putting the heater horiztontal (fully under
water) to hopefully get a more consistent temperature throughout the
tank. And it sounds like the Tonic is 'fully' submersible.

Am I correct in my thinking? Also, for a 20 g. tank, I am thinking
about a 100 watt heater. Does that seem about right?

Thanks for your advice. This newsgroup has been a huge help.

[CanadianCray]

If your asking that question about Ebos Im guessing your from Canada. Ebo's
are FULLY submersible. Some have the water level line on them to meet CSA
standards.

"David" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hi All,
>
> My current heater isn't keeping a very consistent temp for me so I am
> shopping for a new one. From what I've read the Tronic and Ebo Jager
> seem to be the two top picks. I'm confused at how the word
> submersible is used. Is the Ebo Jager only partially submersible? I
> guess I was thinking of putting the heater horiztontal (fully under
> water) to hopefully get a more consistent temperature throughout the
> tank. And it sounds like the Tonic is 'fully' submersible.
>
> Am I correct in my thinking? Also, for a 20 g. tank, I am thinking
> about a 100 watt heater. Does that seem about right?
>
> Thanks for your advice. This newsgroup has been a huge help.
>

[NetMax]

"David" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hi All,
>
> My current heater isn't keeping a very consistent temp for me so I am
> shopping for a new one. From what I've read the Tronic and Ebo Jager
> seem to be the two top picks. I'm confused at how the word
> submersible is used. Is the Ebo Jager only partially submersible? I
> guess I was thinking of putting the heater horiztontal (fully under
> water) to hopefully get a more consistent temperature throughout the
> tank. And it sounds like the Tonic is 'fully' submersible.
>
> Am I correct in my thinking? Also, for a 20 g. tank, I am thinking
> about a 100 watt heater. Does that seem about right?
>
> Thanks for your advice. This newsgroup has been a huge help.

Armed with a gift coupon to Big Als, I went to buy an Ebo-Jager, and it
looked analog. If fact all their heaters were analog. Speaking with a
clerk, they recommended a Visi-therm, so I've bought one but have yet to
try it (next tank). None of that helps you ;~), but I got to vent
because I would have been perfectly happy with a Tronics (which they
didn't have, cause Big Als and Hagen... that's another story ;~).

Tronics is completely submersible, digital and can be installed in
different orientations. This is what I used in the store (over 100
heaters) and I think I had one or two fail over as many years. Ebo-Jager
has a good rep, but I have no experience with it. Only once have I heard
someone complain about them, the rest were pleased (and you have to
expect the odd defect, heater that is).

100W for a 20g sounds fine. That's the standard 5:1 ratio, though in a
warm room, or with big tanks, you can go as low as 3:1.

The trouble with the term 'submersible' is usually country-specific
certification. Approved in one country, pending approval in the next.
Apparently some countries are not keen about underwater high voltage
elements ;~), protected by just glass, a rubber seal and a seal around
the adjustment knob (the last one probably being the most difficult to
prove over long-term use).

Whatever heater you choose, you might need to play around a bit to ensure
you have good water flow around it.
--
www.NetMax.tk

[~Roy~]

EBO-Jager is non existent any more in regards to a company. EBO was
bought out by EHEIM, and heaters are now called Eheim Jager or just
Jager. Your right on the new Eheim Jagers having a line that states to
submerge to that point........BUT rest assured its the same exact
heater EBO Jager made. The origianl EBO Jagers were certified for
complete submersion. Certification is not transferable to a new
company even if product specs have not changed, so EHEIM Jager can not
legally sell them as fully submersibles. They have a certification in
some o****ries already but USA and Canada are lagging behind. So if
you need a piece of paper to make your mind at ease telling you its
safe to submerge, your just going to have to wait, or you could call
them like I did as well as a bunch of other folks in various forums
and talk to a tech support dude and they will tell you all about them,
and that they are perfectly capable of being submerged, its just not
legal as of yet to label and sell them as such......They used to maake
EBO's in a plant in California, which had the UL certification. That
plant has been shut down and moved to Canada.....so no more UL, and
since its newly made in Canada it needs their certicate now as well.
The California plant had both certificates when they made the EBO
Jager.

I bought 8 Eheim Jagers over tha last 2 months, all with the max
submerge line, and they all have been submerged.....NOT A PROBLEM.
I am slowly phasing all my other assorted heaters out and gong with a
heater with a good track record. For awhile there you could get a
super low deal on the new old stock of EBO-Jagers from a lot of online
vendors. I picked up 100 watt Ebo's for $10 each and 75 watt EBO's for
$8. The last Eheim Jager 75 watt I bought was $14.95 and looks
identical to the old EBO. 100 watts should do ok for a 20 gal. If you
have room I would go with 2, 50 watt heaters so if a heater sticks on
it will be less likely to cook your tank

On 21 Feb 2006 17:24:30 -0800, "David" > wrote:
>><>Hi All,
>><>
>><>My current heater isn't keeping a very consistent temp for me so I am
>><>shopping for a new one. From what I've read the Tronic and Ebo Jager
>><>seem to be the two top picks. I'm confused at how the word
>><>submersible is used. Is the Ebo Jager only partially submersible? I
>><>guess I was thinking of putting the heater horiztontal (fully under
>><>water) to hopefully get a more consistent temperature throughout the
>><>tank. And it sounds like the Tonic is 'fully' submersible.
>><>
>><>Am I correct in my thinking? Also, for a 20 g. tank, I am thinking
>><>about a 100 watt heater. Does that seem about right?
>><>
>><>Thanks for your advice. This newsgroup has been a huge help.

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[CanadianCray]

Jagers were never sold as submersible in Canada.

"~Roy~" > wrote in message
...
> EBO-Jager is non existent any more in regards to a company. EBO was
> bought out by EHEIM, and heaters are now called Eheim Jager or just
> Jager. Your right on the new Eheim Jagers having a line that states to
> submerge to that point........BUT rest assured its the same exact
> heater EBO Jager made. The origianl EBO Jagers were certified for
> complete submersion. Certification is not transferable to a new
> company even if product specs have not changed, so EHEIM Jager can not
> legally sell them as fully submersibles. They have a certification in
> some o****ries already but USA and Canada are lagging behind. So if
> you need a piece of paper to make your mind at ease telling you its
> safe to submerge, your just going to have to wait, or you could call
> them like I did as well as a bunch of other folks in various forums
> and talk to a tech support dude and they will tell you all about them,
> and that they are perfectly capable of being submerged, its just not
> legal as of yet to label and sell them as such......They used to maake
> EBO's in a plant in California, which had the UL certification. That
> plant has been shut down and moved to Canada.....so no more UL, and
> since its newly made in Canada it needs their certicate now as well.
> The California plant had both certificates when they made the EBO
> Jager.
>
> I bought 8 Eheim Jagers over tha last 2 months, all with the max
> submerge line, and they all have been submerged.....NOT A PROBLEM.
> I am slowly phasing all my other assorted heaters out and gong with a
> heater with a good track record. For awhile there you could get a
> super low deal on the new old stock of EBO-Jagers from a lot of online
> vendors. I picked up 100 watt Ebo's for $10 each and 75 watt EBO's for
> $8. The last Eheim Jager 75 watt I bought was $14.95 and looks
> identical to the old EBO. 100 watts should do ok for a 20 gal. If you
> have room I would go with 2, 50 watt heaters so if a heater sticks on
> it will be less likely to cook your tank
>
> On 21 Feb 2006 17:24:30 -0800, "David" > wrote:
>>><>Hi All,
>>><>
>>><>My current heater isn't keeping a very consistent temp for me so I am
>>><>shopping for a new one. From what I've read the Tronic and Ebo Jager
>>><>seem to be the two top picks. I'm confused at how the word
>>><>submersible is used. Is the Ebo Jager only partially submersible? I
>>><>guess I was thinking of putting the heater horiztontal (fully under
>>><>water) to hopefully get a more consistent temperature throughout the
>>><>tank. And it sounds like the Tonic is 'fully' submersible.
>>><>
>>><>Am I correct in my thinking? Also, for a 20 g. tank, I am thinking
>>><>about a 100 watt heater. Does that seem about right?
>>><>
>>><>Thanks for your advice. This newsgroup has been a huge help.
>
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[Jim Anderson]

In article . com>,
says...
> Hi All,
>
> My current heater isn't keeping a very consistent temp for me so I am
> shopping for a new one. From what I've read the Tronic and Ebo Jager
> seem to be the two top picks. I'm confused at how the word
> submersible is used. Is the Ebo Jager only partially submersible? I
> guess I was thinking of putting the heater horiztontal (fully under
> water) to hopefully get a more consistent temperature throughout the
> tank. And it sounds like the Tonic is 'fully' submersible.
>
> Am I correct in my thinking? Also, for a 20 g. tank, I am thinking
> about a 100 watt heater. Does that seem about right?
>
> Thanks for your advice. This newsgroup has been a huge help.
>
>

The Ebo's water line is not a max, it's a min. The water must cover that
much of the heater as a minimum or the glass gets to hot.

--
Jim Anderson
( 8(|) To eMail me, just pull "my_finger"

[Gill Passman]

David wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My current heater isn't keeping a very consistent temp for me so I am
> shopping for a new one. From what I've read the Tronic and Ebo Jager
> seem to be the two top picks. I'm confused at how the word
> submersible is used. Is the Ebo Jager only partially submersible? I
> guess I was thinking of putting the heater horiztontal (fully under
> water) to hopefully get a more consistent temperature throughout the
> tank. And it sounds like the Tonic is 'fully' submersible.
>
> Am I correct in my thinking? Also, for a 20 g. tank, I am thinking
> about a 100 watt heater. Does that seem about right?
>
> Thanks for your advice. This newsgroup has been a huge help.
>

I use Hagen Tronics in most of my tanks - the only heaters I've had any
issues with are the "non-hagens" and these are generally stuck
thermostats...The Tronic is definitely submersible...

FWIW
Gill

[CanadianCray]

> The Ebo's water line is not a max, it's a min. The water must cover that
> much of the heater as a minimum or the glass gets to hot.
>
> --
> Jim Anderson
> ( 8(|) To eMail me, just pull "my_finger"

That interesting considering it says "Do not immerse beyond water level"
Right above that line. Not min level.

[pausto]

CanadianCray wrote:
>
> > The Ebo's water line is not a max, it's a min. The water must cover that
> > much of the heater as a minimum or the glass gets to hot.
> >
> > --
> > Jim Anderson
> > ( 8(|) To eMail me, just pull "my_finger"
>
> That interesting considering it says "Do not immerse beyond water level"
> Right above that line. Not min level.

There was a discussion here quite some time ago, and someone
even posted pictures somewhere (alt.binaries.aquaria maybe).
Seems the same heater was printed both ways to satisfy the safety
commissions of the regions they were sold in. Canadian sold units
had a max water line, USA sold units had a min water line. But
there was no actual difference in the heater construction. I
don't know if that still applies now, with the company
change/merger thing whatever. I have one of the new ones. I
looks like the old ones. I have it submerged like the other 7 old
ones. They're all still kickin'.

Paul