Pod ID?

[Toni]

If you could take a moment to glance at http://www.cearbhaill.com/misc.htm
and possible identify the creatures swarming on my glass?
They are fairly large- larger than the normal things I have come to accept-
a tad over ¼ inch each. The odd part is that I am seeing them only in my
overflow and in the sump, and there are 100's of them. Despite the numbers I
can't see even one in the display or in the refugium.

Tank is new- cycle completed the end of January, and contains only a TBS
"package".
Last readings were SG 1.024, pH 8.1-8.5 daily fluctuation, 80.5 ºF, amm 0,
nitrite 0, nitrate 10, calcium 400, alk 3.99 meq/L.
90 gallon tank, 20 gal refugium, 14 gal sump, Euroreef CS6-1 and T5
lighting.


Please tell me they are normal fauna- and benign?


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Toni
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[Ross Bagley]

"Toni" > writes:

> If you could take a moment to glance at
> http://www.cearbhaill.com/misc.htm and possible identify the
> creatures swarming on my glass?

The animal in the cup with the dime looks like an immature mantis
shrimp. Article on mantis shrimp here:

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-03/jf/feature/index.htm

As the article discusses, Mantis Shrimp are generally considered
a nuisance animal and most people try to get them out of their
tanks simply because they are such effective predators.

The other photos are less clear, but if they're the same as what
you've caught in the cup, well... Otherwise, I would suspect that
they are mysid shrimp, aka "possum shrimp". Mysids are beneficial
and are a good food source for fish with nonspecific diets. Article:

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-02/rs/index.htm

> They are fairly large- larger than the normal things I have come to
> accept- a tad over 1 inch each. The odd part is that I am seeing
> them only in my overflow and in the sump, and there are 100's of
> them. Despite the numbers I can't see even one in the display or in
> the refugium.

If you have a breeding pair of adult mantis shrimp in the main tank,
they would be successfully hunting all of the little ones that they
could reach, mantis or mysid.

> Tank is new- cycle completed the end of January, and contains only a TBS
> "package".

The live rock from TBS will many times contain a few unpleasant
hitchhikers, mantis shrimp and gorilla crabs being the ones you need
to take special care to eradicate. That one issue aside, I still
recommend them to everyone simply because what you get is actually
"alive", in stark contrast to the barely biological rubble shipped
from various places in the Pacific.

In any case, read the articles above and come up with a plan for your
particular situation.

Good luck!

Regards,
Ross

-- Ross Bagley http://rossbagley.com/rba
"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature...
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller

[Toni]

"Ross Bagley" > wrote in message
...
>
> The animal in the cup with the dime looks like an immature mantis
> shrimp. Article on mantis shrimp here:
>


Sorry for explaining poorly-
The first two photos are of the creatures in question.
Someone else has suggested that they are scyphoid larvae, but I am unable to
find photo confirmation.


--
Toni
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[Boomer]

Ross is correct, the large one is a mantis shrimp, no doubt about that.

The others look like Amphipods, they are not structured right for Opossum shrimp.
Go here for a look , view them all
http://scilib.ucsd.edu/sio/nsf/fguide/arthropoda-1.html

http://www.mov.vic.gov.au/crust/page1.html

There is no such thing as a scyphoid larvae, other than a scyphoid, which is a jellyfish,
which these are not. Scyphoid, is also a structure name which means cup shaped or cup
like. Hence the name for jelly fish.
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"Toni" > wrote in message
ink.net...
:
: "Ross Bagley" > wrote in message
: ...
: >
: > The animal in the cup with the dime looks like an immature mantis
: > shrimp. Article on mantis shrimp here:
: >
:
:
: Sorry for explaining poorly-
: The first two photos are of the creatures in question.
: Someone else has suggested that they are scyphoid larvae, but I am unable to
: find photo confirmation.
:
:
: --
: Toni
: http://www.cearbhaill.com/reef.htm
:
:

[Toni]

"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> The others look like Amphipods, they are not structured right for Opossum
shrimp.
> Go here for a look , view them all
> http://scilib.ucsd.edu/sio/nsf/fguide/arthropoda-1.html
>
> http://www.mov.vic.gov.au/crust/page1.html
>


Thanks- Dr. Shimek has identified them as sponges.


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Toni
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[Boomer]

"Thanks- Dr. Shimek has identified them as sponges."

LOL

I see it know. I'm sure Ross is hitting is heads also. I think we should have asked you if
they move. As from the pics they look like a crustacean population explosion. The word you
are lookin' for is Sypha sponges or Syconoid Sponges, not Scyphoid :-)

http://www.vattenkikaren.gu.se/fakta/biotop/klippeko/klek09.html

http://www.biol.rug.nl/onderwaterbiologie/foto9.jpg


http://www.seamasters.be/bio/spons/zakspons.htm

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"Toni" > wrote in message
nk.net...
:
: "Boomer" > wrote in message
: ...
: > The others look like Amphipods, they are not structured right for Opossum
: shrimp.
: > Go here for a look , view them all
: > http://scilib.ucsd.edu/sio/nsf/fguide/arthropoda-1.html
: >
: > http://www.mov.vic.gov.au/crust/page1.html
: >
:
:
: Thanks- Dr. Shimek has identified them as sponges.
:
:
: --
: Toni
: http://www.cearbhaill.com/reef.htm
:
:

[ZaboAA]

I also have a bunch of these in my skimmer. Should I clean them out?


"Toni" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> If you could take a moment to glance at http://www.cearbhaill.com/misc.htm
> and possible identify the creatures swarming on my glass?
> They are fairly large- larger than the normal things I have come to
accept-
> a tad over ¼ inch each. The odd part is that I am seeing them only in my
> overflow and in the sump, and there are 100's of them. Despite the numbers
I
> can't see even one in the display or in the refugium.
>
> Tank is new- cycle completed the end of January, and contains only a TBS
> "package".
> Last readings were SG 1.024, pH 8.1-8.5 daily fluctuation, 80.5 ºF, amm 0,
> nitrite 0, nitrate 10, calcium 400, alk 3.99 meq/L.
> 90 gallon tank, 20 gal refugium, 14 gal sump, Euroreef CS6-1 and T5
> lighting.
>
>
> Please tell me they are normal fauna- and benign?
>
>
> --
> Toni
> http://www.cearbhaill.com/reef.htm
>
>

[Ross Bagley]

"Toni" > writes:

> "Boomer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The others look like Amphipods, they are not structured right for Opossum
> shrimp.
> > Go here for a look , view them all
> > http://scilib.ucsd.edu/sio/nsf/fguide/arthropoda-1.html
> >
> > http://www.mov.vic.gov.au/crust/page1.html

> Thanks- Dr. Shimek has identified them as sponges.

There are plenty of times that I think I've got a clue about marine
tanks and then along comes something like this. Amazing.

Thanks for the links Boomer.

Reef tanks are simply awesome.

Regards,
Ross

-- Ross Bagley http://rossbagley.com/rba
"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature...
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller

[Toni]

"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
>
> I see it know. I'm sure Ross is hitting is heads also. I think we should
have asked you if
> they move. As from the pics they look like a crustacean population
explosion. The word you
> are lookin' for is Sypha sponges or Syconoid Sponges, not Scyphoid :-)
>


That's them!
Funny about them not moving- I collected a few for a magnified view and saw
not the first movement. I was convinced that they were either dead or
morphing.
Those photos and sites (and most especially the correct spelling) are most
welcome Boomer- Thank You!!


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Toni
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[Boomer]

Toni and Ross

Sorry I just drooped those sites all in a foreign language. Here are some English sites
on the biology


http://www.esu.edu/~milewski/intro_biol_two/lab_9_porifera_cnidaria/Porifera.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge

http://www.palaeos.com/Invertebrates/Porifera/Porifera.htm

http://www.lander.edu/rsfox/310poriferaLab.html

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"Toni" > wrote in message
ink.net...
:
: "Boomer" > wrote in message
: ...
: >
: > I see it know. I'm sure Ross is hitting is heads also. I think we should
: have asked you if
: > they move. As from the pics they look like a crustacean population
: explosion. The word you
: > are lookin' for is Sypha sponges or Syconoid Sponges, not Scyphoid :-)
: >
:
:
: That's them!
: Funny about them not moving- I collected a few for a magnified view and saw
: not the first movement. I was convinced that they were either dead or
: morphing.
: Those photos and sites (and most especially the correct spelling) are most
: welcome Boomer- Thank You!!
:
:
: --
: Toni
: http://www.cearbhaill.com/reef.htm
:
:

[Ross Bagley]

"Boomer" > writes:

> Toni and Ross

> Sorry I just drooped those sites all in a foreign language. Here
> are some English sites on the biology

Actually, my cryptic sump is becoming a sponge heaven (I'm in the
process os using the skimmer less and less as the sponges and tunicates
in there become more established). I'm a big fan of sponges in my
tank and try to encourage as much as possible their success.

I've got all of Steve Tyree's books natural filtration (along with
printouts of a few dozen scientific papers about sponges I was able to
scrape up on the web).

I just never would have identified those little critters as sponges
from the posted photos. I think I managed to convince myself that they
had been described as moving around and there was no way I would have
gotten it right after that.

Regards,
Ross

-- Ross Bagley http://rossbagley.com/rba
"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature...
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller

[Toni]

"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> Toni and Ross
>
> Sorry I just drooped those sites all in a foreign language. Here are some
English sites
> on the biology
> ....<snip>


And thank you again.

-Toni

[Boomer]

"I just never would have identified those little critters as sponges
from the posted photos. "

Me either Ross, I also got the impression that they were moving around, crawling.

I have Steve's books also :-)
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"Ross Bagley" > wrote in message
...
: "Boomer" > writes:
:
: > Toni and Ross
:
: > Sorry I just drooped those sites all in a foreign language. Here
: > are some English sites on the biology
:
: Actually, my cryptic sump is becoming a sponge heaven (I'm in the
: process os using the skimmer less and less as the sponges and tunicates
: in there become more established). I'm a big fan of sponges in my
: tank and try to encourage as much as possible their success.
:
: I've got all of Steve Tyree's books natural filtration (along with
: printouts of a few dozen scientific papers about sponges I was able to
: scrape up on the web).
:
: I just never would have identified those little critters as sponges
: from the posted photos. I think I managed to convince myself that they
: had been described as moving around and there was no way I would have
: gotten it right after that.
:
: Regards,
: Ross
:
: -- Ross Bagley http://rossbagley.com/rba
: "Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature...
: Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller

[Toni]

"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> "I just never would have identified those little critters as sponges
> from the posted photos. "
>
> Me either Ross, I also got the impression that they were moving around,
crawling.
>
> I have Steve's books also :-)


Believe me guys- I thought about mentioning that they were not moving- even
typed out the post. But upon rereading it I thought I sounded like a nutcase
that didn't know dead from alive- so go figure.


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Toni
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