Bristleworms: Good guys/Bad guys?

[sgrien]

Can anyone explain to me why there are conflicting ideas regarding
bristleworms in a reef tank? Some articles I read categorize them as
problem critters and I have seen traps to remove them, then I see
places selling them as part of a janitor package. Why the difference
in opinion here?

-Scott

[Marx]

sgrien wrote:

> Can anyone explain to me why there are conflicting ideas regarding
> bristleworms in a reef tank? Some articles I read categorize them as
> problem critters and I have seen traps to remove them, then I see
> places selling them as part of a janitor package. Why the difference
> in opinion here?

in size
big one can eat your corals, while small are janitors

[Rod]

>in size
>big one can eat your corals, while small are janitors

they are all janitors. the best detritivores money can buy.. Bristle worms used
to get a bad rapp because they were the first on the scene to clean up a dying
clam or coral, therefore leaving the new hobbiest to think that the worms
actually killed the coral.

[Sprattoo]

I have hundreds in my tank and in all my sand. It has always been my
understanding that the only bad bristle worms are the rare bright fiery red
ones with those flame red "wispy" bristles.

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"Rod" > wrote in message
...
> >in size
> >big one can eat your corals, while small are janitors
>
> they are all janitors. the best detritivores money can buy.. Bristle worms
used
> to get a bad rapp because they were the first on the scene to clean up a
dying
> clam or coral, therefore leaving the new hobbiest to think that the worms
> actually killed the coral.

[Richard Reynolds]

they are all very very bad!!!!


ok well not really but it is a balancing act just like any other thing you put into your
tank.

some do eat corals, some will eat fish(i think that all of those are temperate and wouldnt
live in the warm reef waters) the small ones do eat pods but they do often eat detritus

--
Richard Reynolds

[Marc Levenson]

http://www.melevsreef.com/id/bristleworm.html

Friends, not foes.

Marc


sgrien wrote:

> Can anyone explain to me why there are conflicting ideas regarding
> bristleworms in a reef tank? Some articles I read categorize them as
> problem critters and I have seen traps to remove them, then I see
> places selling them as part of a janitor package. Why the difference
> in opinion here?
>
> -Scott

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[CapFusion]

I think you mean the "fiery red" is the fireworm kind.
Does it look something like this?
http://www.maltavista.net/en/list/photo/1707.html

Fireworm give bristleworm a bad rep..

CapFusion,...


"Sprattoo" > wrote in message
...
> I have hundreds in my tank and in all my sand. It has always been my
> understanding that the only bad bristle worms are the rare bright fiery
red
> ones with those flame red "wispy" bristles.
>
> --
> ===============================
> Art and Aquaria
> http://www.sprattoo.com
> ===============================
> "Rod" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >in size
> > >big one can eat your corals, while small are janitors
> >
> > they are all janitors. the best detritivores money can buy.. Bristle
worms
> used
> > to get a bad rapp because they were the first on the scene to clean up a
> dying
> > clam or coral, therefore leaving the new hobbiest to think that the
worms
> > actually killed the coral.
>
>

[Christ's Soldiers]

In the land of rec.aquaria.marine.reefs, the word of the Lord came
to Richard Reynolds and verily he spoke saying:


> some do eat corals, some will eat fish

Has anyone here ever caught any bristleworm eating a coral or fish in
their tank that wasn't already injured or dead? I'm not saying that it
never happens, just looking for real world experience because I have
never seen this at all.

--

-John
Because it makes things difficult to understand.
Why shouldn't I top post?

[Joe V.]

I caught 2 bristleworms a mushroom that was healthy ... the first night I
just moved the worms away. The 2nd night I took them out. The coral never
recovered ...

"Christ's Soldiers" > wrote in message
. 1.4...
> In the land of rec.aquaria.marine.reefs, the word of the Lord came
> to Richard Reynolds and verily he spoke saying:
>
>
> > some do eat corals, some will eat fish
>
> Has anyone here ever caught any bristleworm eating a coral or fish in
> their tank that wasn't already injured or dead? I'm not saying that it
> never happens, just looking for real world experience because I have
> never seen this at all.
>
> --
>
> -John
> Because it makes things difficult to understand.
> Why shouldn't I top post?

[Joe V.]

Now this is interesting ...

The bristleworms that I had caught eating my mushroom coral were actually
the fireworms in the link. So these are known bad guys?

This does make me feel better ... I was wondering how my personal
observation was going against the advice of the newsgroup.

joe

"CapFusion" <CapFusion...@hotmail..,com> wrote in message
...
> I think you mean the "fiery red" is the fireworm kind.
> Does it look something like this?
> http://www.maltavista.net/en/list/photo/1707.html
>
> Fireworm give bristleworm a bad rep..

[CapFusion]

"Joe V." > wrote in message
...
> Now this is interesting ...


>
> The bristleworms that I had caught eating my mushroom coral were actually
> the fireworms in the link. So these are known bad guys?


Yeap, fireworm give bristleworm a bad rap.


>
> This does make me feel better ... I was wondering how my personal
> observation was going against the advice of the newsgroup.


Humm.... against advice of this wonderful NG?

CapFusion,...

[melev(nospam)]

Yes, a guy on Reef Central caught his mowing down a patch of zoanthids
in his reef tank. Each day more and more disappeared, so he stayed up
late at night to see this monster.

He tore apart his reef and ended up pulling out a 13 foot long
bristleworm. When they are big enough, they gotta eat and they'll get
what they can find.

Marc


Christ's Soldiers wrote:
> In the land of rec.aquaria.marine.reefs, the word of the Lord came
> to Richard Reynolds and verily he spoke saying:
>
>
>
>>some do eat corals, some will eat fish
>
>
> Has anyone here ever caught any bristleworm eating a coral or fish in
> their tank that wasn't already injured or dead? I'm not saying that it
> never happens, just looking for real world experience because I have
> never seen this at all.
>

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[CapFusion]

"melev(nospam)" > wrote in message
...
> Yes, a guy on Reef Central caught his mowing down a patch of zoanthids
> in his reef tank. Each day more and more disappeared, so he stayed up
> late at night to see this monster.
>
> He tore apart his reef and ended up pulling out a 13 foot long
> bristleworm. When they are big enough, they gotta eat and they'll get
> what they can find.
>
> Marc

I would remove any worm that is longer than your hand.

BTW - Marc, better you add some extra character to your email than just
adding "nospam". Alot of spam bot have better AI level then most game.

CapFusion,...

[Marc Levenson]

I think I've got it where I like it now. I wanted my name to appear as
it has for the past few years. Do you like this version better?

Marc


CapFusion wrote:


> BTW - Marc, better you add some extra character to your email than just
> adding "nospam". Alot of spam bot have better AI level then most game.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

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[CapFusion]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
> I think I've got it where I like it now. I wanted my name to appear as
> it has for the past few years. Do you like this version better?
>
> Marc
>

That is better.
It not the name but the email acount need to be mask in some way. Only the
spammer [actual person] can manually interpret the email and enter it
correctly. I like the "phoblic". Bot may or can remove the space and "spam"
but not the other unique character.

CapFusion,...

[Marc Levenson]

That is what I was thinking. If I could add a little change, it might
last longer. ;) Btw, I know some people have stated that it isn't good
to have your email address on your webpages, because bots can find
those. Some have suggested putting the address on a GIF or JPG button
instead, but in my estimation, bots scan the HTML page rather than the
body of text and will still find the email address codes written into
the page, right?

Marc


CapFusion wrote:


> That is better.
> It not the name but the email acount need to be mask in some way. Only the
> spammer [actual person] can manually interpret the email and enter it
> correctly. I like the "phoblic". Bot may or can remove the space and "spam"
> but not the other unique character.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

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[John]

You dont use it as a button, you just put the picture on your page and a human
can copy it to their email client. It takes the convience out of hyperlinking
and makes it a pain in the ass, but worthwhile for you.
~John

[Marc Levenson]

I see. Yes, that is indeed aggravating. Hmmm.

Marc


John wrote:
> You dont use it as a button, you just put the picture on your page and a human
> can copy it to their email client. It takes the convience out of hyperlinking
> and makes it a pain in the ass, but worthwhile for you.
> ~John

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[Happy'Cam'per]

Hey Marc :)

If you google for your problem you will find the answer quite easy. There is
a bit of code you can insert into your html webpage that basically tells the
spider bots not to harvest the addresses.
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"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
> I see. Yes, that is indeed aggravating. Hmmm.
>
> Marc
>
>
> John wrote:
> > You dont use it as a button, you just put the picture on your page and a
human
> > can copy it to their email client. It takes the convience out of
hyperlinking
> > and makes it a pain in the ass, but worthwhile for you.
> > ~John
>
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> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
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>

[Marc Levenson]

I didn't even know that. Plus it wasn't so much of a problem as much as
I'd like to take preventative measures.

Marc


Happy'Cam'per wrote:

> Hey Marc :)
>
> If you google for your problem you will find the answer quite easy. There is
> a bit of code you can insert into your html webpage that basically tells the
> spider bots not to harvest the addresses.
> --
> **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>I see. Yes, that is indeed aggravating. Hmmm.
>>
>>Marc
>>
>>
>>John wrote:
>>
>>>You dont use it as a button, you just put the picture on your page and a
>
> human
>
>>>can copy it to their email client. It takes the convience out of
>
> hyperlinking
>
>>>and makes it a pain in the ass, but worthwhile for you.
>>>~John
>>
>>--
>>Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
>>Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
>>Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>>
>
>
>

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[CapFusion]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
> That is what I was thinking. If I could add a little change, it might
> last longer. ;) Btw, I know some people have stated that it isn't good
> to have your email address on your webpages, because bots can find
> those. Some have suggested putting the address on a GIF or JPG button
> instead, but in my estimation, bots scan the HTML page rather than the
> body of text and will still find the email address codes written into
> the page, right?
>
> Marc
>

This getting off-topic.

Yes, for those good AI bot, it will try to check and scan your HTML / HTM
for any "mailto" and also @ that have a combo character before and after
with ending ".com / *.net / etc". Using a JPEG or GIF image is one of the
best prevention of bot digging for email.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
...
> Hey Marc :)
>
> If you google for your problem you will find the answer quite easy. There
is
> a bit of code you can insert into your html webpage that basically tells
the
> spider bots not to harvest the addresses.

Not all bot follow the rule, just like spammer.

CapFusion,...

[PaulB]

There are different species and some of them can be a problem even when
small. The Caribbean fireworm is often a problem.



"melev(nospam)" > wrote in message
...
> Yes, a guy on Reef Central caught his mowing down a patch of zoanthids
> in his reef tank. Each day more and more disappeared, so he stayed up
> late at night to see this monster.
>
> He tore apart his reef and ended up pulling out a 13 foot long
> bristleworm. When they are big enough, they gotta eat and they'll get
> what they can find.
>
> Marc
>
>
> Christ's Soldiers wrote:
> > In the land of rec.aquaria.marine.reefs, the word of the Lord came
> > to Richard Reynolds and verily he spoke saying:
> >
> >
> >
> >>some do eat corals, some will eat fish
> >
> >
> > Has anyone here ever caught any bristleworm eating a coral or fish in
> > their tank that wasn't already injured or dead? I'm not saying that it
> > never happens, just looking for real world experience because I have
> > never seen this at all.
> >
>
> --
> Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
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>
>