Quick question about Ebo-Jager Heaters

[Harry Muscle]

I just looked at a large picture of a Ebo-Jager heater on the web, and it
had a line drawn on it with Water Level written just below the blue
adjusting top. Does that mean that they are not fully submersible? I
thought that you could stick these heater completely under water, but that
picture makes me think differently.

Btw, here's the picture:
http://store6.yimg.com/I/marinedepot_1764_2707227

Thanks,
Harry




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[Cris]

Uh, no it's not. It is a Maxiumum level mark, which is why it reads,
"Do not immerse beyond water mark." It seems most people choose to
ignore it, though.
Cris

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:53:40 -0500, Dr. Know >
wrote:

>This is the MINIMUM water level mark. This is the level at which they
>MUST be submerged to in order to be accurate and avoid cracking the
>heater tube.
>
>Greg

[Cris]

There must be another model. All of those that I've seen (including
the one in the picture sent by Harry) have the maximum level mark.
Also, the instructions don't say anything about it being fully
submersible. I should also warn people that the picture on the boxes
don't show the water level mark - you have to actually look at the
heater itself. I'm cautious and don't fully submerse the heater, but
I know that some people do.

Greg, will you please send a link to the Ebo-Jager site? I haven't
been able to find their site.

Cris

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:33:12 -0500, Dr. Know >
wrote:

>Well, I don't know what model you are referring to, but according to
>the ones I have, and their web site, and I quote:
>
>Ebo-Jager perhaps the best and the most popular aquarium heater
>available today. This submersible heater is the choice of the serious
>hobbyist with an easy to adjust thermostat and an impressive accuracy.
>The Pyrex glass construction is far stronger than other glass heaters
>giving user peace of mind. Completely waterproof and submersible, this
>heater is perfect for fresh or salt-water aquariums. The temperature
>is adjustable from 64º F to 94º F. The heater includes suction cups
>for easy installation.
>
>Therefore, with THIS EJ model, and ALL my other heaters, It *IS* the
>minimum water mark.
>
>Greg

[Rick]

"Cris" > wrote in message
s.com...
> There must be another model. All of those that I've seen (including
> the one in the picture sent by Harry) have the maximum level mark.
> Also, the instructions don't say anything about it being fully
> submersible. I should also warn people that the picture on the boxes
> don't show the water level mark - you have to actually look at the
> heater itself. I'm cautious and don't fully submerse the heater, but
> I know that some people do.
>
> Greg, will you please send a link to the Ebo-Jager site? I haven't
> been able to find their site.
>
> Cris
>
>

I'm running many Ebo Jager's (all completely submerged). Here is what my
supplier provides on the invoice.
" Ebo-Jager TSUl-50 Watt. NEW UL listed Model, "max water level applies to
UL spec, complete submersed use does not affect operation.

Rick

[Harry Muscle]

"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cris" > wrote in message
> s.com...
> > There must be another model. All of those that I've seen (including
> > the one in the ent by Harry) have the maximum level mark.
> > Also, the instructions don't say anything about it being fully
> > submersible. I should also warn people that the picture on the boxes
> > don't show the water level mark - you have to actually look at the
> > heater itself. I'm cautious and don't fully submerse the heater, but
> > I know that some people do.
> >
> > Greg, will you please send a link to the Ebo-Jager site? I haven't
> > been able to find their site.
>
> Please take a look with this link.
> http://www.jehmco.com/PRODUCTS_/HARDWARE_/Heaters/body_heaters.html
> All Ebo Jager heater I have is FULLY SUMmersible. I have one is
submersible
> for atleast 5 years.
> On each Ebo heater, it have Maxinum and Min level. You can fully submerse
> it.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

Umm, if they have a Maximum level line, logic would dictate that they are
not fully submersible, right?

Harry




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[CapFusion]

> >
>
> Umm, if they have a Maximum level line, logic would dictate that they are
> not fully submersible, right?
>
> Harry
>

It seem you like to play logic. Ok... try this, can you explain why it
indicate "submersible" on their product. What does that logic dictate? Next
logic, from my beginner year of Reef and does not know better... I submerse
the Ebo 250watt complete underwater and still under at this current time [5
years ago and counting]. This is in a Reef tank condition. Any other brand
or model I can not say but for Ebo-Jager, I can say, Yes. If you do not want
to submerse it, then simply keep the water under the Max level and above Min
level.


We all, can not tell you what to do but only a suggestion / opinion. You can
call Ebo up and ask them for the official answer. Anything we express here
in this NG is just "Experience" and "Opinion".

HTH, GL.

CapFusionl,...

[Harry Muscle]

"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...
> > >
> >
> > Umm, if they have a Maximum level line, logic would dictate that they
are
> > not fully submersible, right?
> >
> > Harry
> >
>
> It seem you like to play logic. Ok... try this, can you explain why it
> indicate "submersible" on their product. What does that logic dictate?
Next
> logic, from my beginner year of Reef and does not know better... I
submerse
> the Ebo 250watt complete underwater and still under at this current time
[5
> years ago and counting]. This is in a Reef tank condition. Any other brand
> or model I can not say but for Ebo-Jager, I can say, Yes. If you do not
want
> to submerse it, then simply keep the water under the Max level and above
Min
> level.
>
>
> We all, can not tell you what to do but only a suggestion / opinion. You
can
> call Ebo up and ask them for the official answer. Anything we express here
> in this NG is just "Experience" and "Opinion".
>
> HTH, GL.
>
> CapFusionl,...
>
>
>

I didn't mean to come across rude, etc, I apologize if I did. I know
certain heaters mention that they are "submersible", while others mention
that they are "fully submersible", just like one can submerse his legs in
water, but that doesn't mean that the rest of his body is under water too.
I was trying to get feedback whether this heater is actually designed to be
fully submersed or not. It seems from practice it can be, however, from
design, it might not have designed too. The nice thing is that practice
usually gives you a better idea of a product than design.

Thanks,
Harry




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[Teri G]

Harry Muscle wrote:

> I just looked at a large picture of a Ebo-Jager heater on the web, and it
> had a line drawn on it with Water Level written just below the blue
> adjusting top. Does that mean that they are not fully submersible? I
> thought that you could stick these heater completely under water, but that
> picture makes me think differently.
>
> Btw, here's the picture:
> http://store6.yimg.com/I/marinedepot_1764_2707227
>
> Thanks,
> Harry

I remember this same dialogue taking place several months back.

I cannot remember the specific details, but it was something to the
effect of the line/warning being required to meet certain (electrical?)
code in the USA. I think it was a U.L. code - would that make sense?

In any case, they *are* submersible. It's simply a liability issue.

Teri

[CapFusion]

> I didn't mean to come across rude, etc, I apologize if I did. I know
> certain heaters mention that they are "submersible", while others mention
> that they are "fully submersible", just like one can submerse his legs in
> water, but that doesn't mean that the rest of his body is under water too.
> I was trying to get feedback whether this heater is actually designed to
be
> fully submersed or not. It seems from practice it can be, however, from
> design, it might not have designed too. The nice thing is that practice
> usually gives you a better idea of a product than design.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry

Apology, if I made it sound like rude to everyone. Especially when you use
"reason" like => Logic <= to prove your point.

I heard from some place awhile back when Max level is need to be label.
Reason due to some kind of rule of some sort. Before, Ebo heater does not
have Max level but do have Min level. Atleast the old "Green" top I have
currently do not indicate Max level.

CapFusion,...