Baking Soda Information please.

[Simon O'Keeffe]

I read a post from a reefer in Australia recently that stated Baking
Soda is loaded with Phosphates.
Has anyone ever heard of this before?
Would testing the solution of baking soda (say with a salifert phosphate
test kit) be practical or would the test kit be useless on such a solution?
also the poster mentioned something about elevated dKH levels and RTN,
is this something new?
I always thought that low KH and RTN were closer friends and high alk
was concidered a positive for the tank.
Comments? (Is Boomer still around here?)
Simon

[Boomer]

Who me :-)

Ok, lets look at alllllllllllllllll that phosphate. First look at this

www.ahperformance.com/techdata/Spec-SBC-Technical.pdf

Lets just say 99-100%

100 % = 1,000,000 ppm, so 1 % =10,000 ppm. Such assay's will show phosphate at <.001 %, so
lets do the math

..001 x 10,000 = 10ppm. So out of say 99 % NaHCO3 ( Baking Soda) 10 out of 1,000.000 parts
will be phosphate. If we look at the chloride there is <.003 and Pb (Lead) is 5 ppm in
1,000,000.

We are not using tech grade or reagent grade, but food grade so the Phosphate will be a
little higher, nothing to worry about.

Loaded, the guy is dreaming. He is making a big deal out of nothing. Almost every
additive/food.what ever you add to your tank has phosphate to some degree

Tell him to go read this

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/sept2002/chem.htm

http://www.aquariumfish.com/aquariumfish/detail.aspx?aid=2276

PS I have never seen Randy or Craig yet be concerned about the nil phosphate in Baking
Soda

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"Simon O'Keeffe" > wrote in message
...
: I read a post from a reefer in Australia recently that stated Baking
: Soda is loaded with Phosphates.
: Has anyone ever heard of this before?
: Would testing the solution of baking soda (say with a salifert phosphate
: test kit) be practical or would the test kit be useless on such a solution?
: also the poster mentioned something about elevated dKH levels and RTN,
: is this something new?
: I always thought that low KH and RTN were closer friends and high alk
: was concidered a positive for the tank.
: Comments? (Is Boomer still around here?)
: Simon
:

[david]

"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> Who me :-)
>
> Ok, lets look at alllllllllllllllll that phosphate. First look at this
>
> www.ahperformance.com/techdata/Spec-SBC-Technical.pdf
>
> Lets just say 99-100%
>
> 100 % = 1,000,000 ppm, so 1 % =10,000 ppm. Such assay's will show
phosphate at <.001 %, so
> lets do the math
>
> .001 x 10,000 = 10ppm. So out of say 99 % NaHCO3 ( Baking Soda) 10 out of
1,000.000 parts
> will be phosphate. If we look at the chloride there is <.003 and Pb (Lead)
is 5 ppm in
> 1,000,000.
>
> We are not using tech grade or reagent grade, but food grade so the
Phosphate will be a
> little higher, nothing to worry about.
>
> Loaded, the guy is dreaming. He is making a big deal out of nothing.
Almost every
> additive/food.what ever you add to your tank has phosphate to some degree
>
> Tell him to go read this
>
> http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/sept2002/chem.htm
>
> http://www.aquariumfish.com/aquariumfish/detail.aspx?aid=2276
>
> PS I have never seen Randy or Craig yet be concerned about the nil
phosphate in Baking
> Soda
>
> Boomer
>
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> "Simon O'Keeffe" > wrote in message
> ...
> : I read a post from a reefer in Australia recently that stated Baking
> : Soda is loaded with Phosphates.
> : Has anyone ever heard of this before?
> : Would testing the solution of baking soda (say with a salifert phosphate
> : test kit) be practical or would the test kit be useless on such a
solution?
> : also the poster mentioned something about elevated dKH levels and RTN,
> : is this something new?
> : I always thought that low KH and RTN were closer friends and high alk
> : was concidered a positive for the tank.
> : Comments? (Is Boomer still around here?)
> : Simon
> :
>
>

why did you ask Boomer! hope you understood the answer....... here is
the shorten version " no its fine to use " :-)



ps thanks Boomer


David

[Dinky]

"david" > wrote in message
...
|
| why did you ask Boomer! hope you understood the answer.......
here is
| the shorten version " no its fine to use " :-)
|


Looked to me like a classic example of a terrific answer with
supporting information included. I consider myself to be pretty
stupid sometimes, and I got the gist of it, even though my eyes
glazed over when I tried to read the paragraph with all the
numbers.<g>

billy

[david]

> | why did you ask Boomer! hope you understood the answer.......
> here is
> | the shorten version " no its fine to use " :-)
> |
>
>
> Looked to me like a classic example of a terrific answer with
> supporting information included. I consider myself to be pretty
> stupid sometimes, and I got the gist of it, even though my eyes
> glazed over when I tried to read the paragraph with all the
> numbers.<g>
>
> billy
>
>
Im just amazed every time by boomers posts its like have a complete
reference library
to hand even if a simple yes will do. what would we do with out him :-)
David

[Boomer]

elevated dKH levels and RTN

I forgot :-)

I have never heard of this. As you stated it is better to have slightly elevated Alk
levels.

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"Simon O'Keeffe" > wrote in message
...
: I read a post from a reefer in Australia recently that stated Baking
: Soda is loaded with Phosphates.
: Has anyone ever heard of this before?
: Would testing the solution of baking soda (say with a salifert phosphate
: test kit) be practical or would the test kit be useless on such a solution?
: also the poster mentioned something about elevated dKH levels and RTN,
: is this something new?
: I always thought that low KH and RTN were closer friends and high alk
: was concidered a positive for the tank.
: Comments? (Is Boomer still around here?)
: Simon
:

[Mark Fisher]

Baking soda does not, but baking powder often contains either calcium
phosphate or disodium pyrophosphate. Perhaps he has them mixed up?

"Simon O'Keeffe" > wrote in message
...
> I read a post from a reefer in Australia recently that stated Baking
> Soda is loaded with Phosphates.
> Has anyone ever heard of this before?
> Would testing the solution of baking soda (say with a salifert phosphate
> test kit) be practical or would the test kit be useless on such a
solution?
> also the poster mentioned something about elevated dKH levels and RTN,
> is this something new?
> I always thought that low KH and RTN were closer friends and high alk
> was concidered a positive for the tank.
> Comments? (Is Boomer still around here?)
> Simon
>

[Simon O'Keeffe]

Thanks a lot Boomer.
The extra mile is very much appreciated.
Your worth more money.
Simon

Boomer wrote:

>elevated dKH levels and RTN
>
>I forgot :-)
>
>I have never heard of this. As you stated it is better to have slightly elevated Alk
>levels.
>
>--
>Boomer
>
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>
>If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
>"Simon O'Keeffe" > wrote in message
...
>: I read a post from a reefer in Australia recently that stated Baking
>: Soda is loaded with Phosphates.
>: Has anyone ever heard of this before?
>: Would testing the solution of baking soda (say with a salifert phosphate
>: test kit) be practical or would the test kit be useless on such a solution?
>: also the poster mentioned something about elevated dKH levels and RTN,
>: is this something new?
>: I always thought that low KH and RTN were closer friends and high alk
>: was concidered a positive for the tank.
>: Comments? (Is Boomer still around here?)
>: Simon
>:
>
>
>
>

[roadster3043]

"Mark Fisher" <net.sbcglobal@fisher_m> wrote in
m:

<snip>

Greetings.

Where can I find more info on the uses of baking soda in the aquarium?

Thank you.


Take care.

[Marc Levenson]

This is a good start:

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/april2004/chem.htm

Marc




roadster3043 wrote:

> "Mark Fisher" <net.sbcglobal@fisher_m> wrote in
> m:
>
> <snip>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Where can I find more info on the uses of baking soda in the aquarium?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Take care.
>
>
>

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