Read Sea Xenia stressed with temperature shock

[Pszemol]

I was experimenting with my DIY chiller and I made water too cold :-(
I has dropped from 86F to 72F over night :-( Now is back to 78F
and my "chiller" works with the heater in tune to keep it stable.

Almost all animals look fine, fish/corals do not show any stress...
All with one exception: Red Sea Xenia. I got it recently and it was
small. Now it shrunk, still pulsing a little but is almost white
and deflated. Will it survive my stupidity or I have killed it?
I have other type of Xenia, brown one, with longer branches, and
this one does not show any stress, but this silver one looks bad.
I guess this species is used to higher temps in Red Sea and it
got hurt so bad in 72F for that reason... :-(

Please, tell me something nice to cheer me up... ;-)

[Richard Reynolds]

> All with one exception: Red Sea Xenia. I got it recently and it was
> small. Now it shrunk, still pulsing a little but is almost white
> and deflated. Will it survive my stupidity or I have killed it?
> I have other type of Xenia, brown one, with longer branches, and
> this one does not show any stress, but this silver one looks bad.
> I guess this species is used to higher temps in Red Sea and it
> got hurt so bad in 72F for that reason... :-(

good chance itll do just fine, i keep some in my broad stock "refugium" if you can call it
that, and temps swing from low 70's to mid 80's unfortunately frequently as I dont have
$1500 to shell out for a real heater it does show it for a day or two, but does recover.
unfortunately what I see sold as red sea xenia does seem to be the weaker of the xenia's,
but it shud do ok.

--
Richard Reynolds

[Happy'Cam'per]

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> Please, tell me something nice to cheer me up... ;-)

You have beautful eyes Pszemol. Better now :)
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

[Pszemol]

"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message ...
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Please, tell me something nice to cheer me up... ;-)
>
> You have beautful eyes Pszemol. Better now :)

Ok, you got me wrong ;-)

[Pszemol]

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message news:RMFoc.40815$6L3.21707@fed1read05...
> good chance itll do just fine, i keep some in my broad stock "refugium" if you can call it
> that, and temps swing from low 70's to mid 80's unfortunately frequently as I dont have
> $1500 to shell out for a real heater it does show it for a day or two, but does recover.
> unfortunately what I see sold as red sea xenia does seem to be the weaker of the xenia's,
> but it shud do ok.

I check on this Xenia colony this morning. The bigger piece from the two looks little
better, but smaller piece looks the same bad as yesterday. Still weak but pulsing.
Will see...

[CapFusion]

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
...
> > "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Please, tell me something nice to cheer me up... ;-)
> >
> > You have beautful eyes Pszemol. Better now :)
>
> Ok, you got me wrong ;-)

Humm..... I concur with Happy'Cam'per. Look at your reflection from your
tank!

CapFusion,...

[Pszemol]

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message news:RMFoc.40815$6L3.21707@fed1read05...
> > All with one exception: Red Sea Xenia. I got it recently and it was
> > small. Now it shrunk, still pulsing a little but is almost white
> > and deflated. Will it survive my stupidity or I have killed it?
> > I have other type of Xenia, brown one, with longer branches, and
> > this one does not show any stress, but this silver one looks bad.
> > I guess this species is used to higher temps in Red Sea and it
> > got hurt so bad in 72F for that reason... :-(
>
> good chance itll do just fine, [..]

You were right... The larger piece almost fully recovered.
Smaller piece is still not doing too good, but slowly pulsing,
so I have still hope.
On the other hand, the other Xenia, the brown one, is growing
like crazy and spreading over the pebbles. I need to look around
for a place where I can get rid of it...
Do you know if LFS are usually interested in taking Xenia frags?

[PaulB]

Often they will. I know of one that has a Xenia tank that they stock with
locally grown Xenia
..

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:RMFoc.40815$6L3.21707@fed1read05...
> > > All with one exception: Red Sea Xenia. I got it recently and it was
> > > small. Now it shrunk, still pulsing a little but is almost white
> > > and deflated. Will it survive my stupidity or I have killed it?
> > > I have other type of Xenia, brown one, with longer branches, and
> > > this one does not show any stress, but this silver one looks bad.
> > > I guess this species is used to higher temps in Red Sea and it
> > > got hurt so bad in 72F for that reason... :-(
> >
> > good chance itll do just fine, [..]
>
> You were right... The larger piece almost fully recovered.
> Smaller piece is still not doing too good, but slowly pulsing,
> so I have still hope.
> On the other hand, the other Xenia, the brown one, is growing
> like crazy and spreading over the pebbles. I need to look around
> for a place where I can get rid of it...
> Do you know if LFS are usually interested in taking Xenia frags?
>

[Richard Reynolds]

> On the other hand, the other Xenia, the brown one, is growing
> like crazy and spreading over the pebbles. I need to look around
> for a place where I can get rid of it...
> Do you know if LFS are usually interested in taking Xenia frags?

if you have a lot, or are a repeat seller or have other dealings with the LFS, any LFS
will play lets make a deal, often not as high at first I grow the stuff in what is a
refugium kinda tank setup attached to my breeding tanks many of my LFS's will allow me to
bring in a 1' X 1' square for them to work out however they want for $$$ thought It doesnt
break even, it also provides limited filtration which helps

--
Richard Reynolds

[skozzy]

> good chance itll do just fine, i keep some in my broad stock "refugium" if
you can call it
> that, and temps swing from low 70's to mid 80's unfortunately frequently
as I dont have
> $1500 to shell out for a real heater it does show it for a day or two, but
does recover.

$1500 for a heater ???? What the hell is it ? I buy the $15 glass ones.

[CapFusion]

"skozzy" > wrote in message
u...
> > good chance itll do just fine, i keep some in my broad stock "refugium"
if
> you can call it
> > that, and temps swing from low 70's to mid 80's unfortunately frequently
> as I dont have
> > $1500 to shell out for a real heater it does show it for a day or two,
but
> does recover.
>
> $1500 for a heater ???? What the hell is it ? I buy the $15 glass ones.


Humm.... Let stab at this [guess].
Can that be a whole house centeral heating unit [Unit + labor to install]?
Or maybe a new computerize hightech gadget that NASA probably using.

Heehe....
Ok, back to work.

CapFusion,...

[Richard Reynolds]

> $1500 for a heater ???? What the hell is it ? I buy the $15 glass ones.

ooh great now i have to buy 50+ of them and keep them acurate thats gona be FUN!!!

--
Richard Reynolds

[Richard Reynolds]

> > $1500 for a heater ???? What the hell is it ? I buy the $15 glass ones.
>
>
> Humm.... Let stab at this [guess].
> Can that be a whole house centeral heating unit [Unit + labor to install]?
> Or maybe a new computerize hightech gadget that NASA probably using.

nope house has heat, not like i need it its SoCal I hate the cold and it gets cold here
just about 2months out of the year. and when I complain about the cold 45F nights people
always complain back about there -10F i only have 7 tanks in the house, out of 40 and
3(soon to be 4 but i started saying soon in december) of those are outside.

--
Richard Reynolds

[Pszemol]

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message news:mMMqc.31376$Md.27459@lakeread05...
> > $1500 for a heater ???? What the hell is it ? I buy the $15 glass ones.
>
> ooh great now i have to buy 50+ of them and keep them acurate thats gona be FUN!!!

Actually, 50x15 = only $750 not 1500, and if you buy 50 you will get a nice discount :-)

[skozzy]

> ooh great now i have to buy 50+ of them and keep them acurate thats gona
be FUN!!!

Well that many tanks I kind of understand, but I still don't know what a
$1500 heater looks like. Maybe the running cost os cheaper then 50x300watt
heaters (15,000 watts/hour). Even if you got a split system or ducted system
installed you will still use around 3000-6000 watts/hour.

If all tanks are plummed together then maybe a hot water kettle element with
an eletronic temprature thermatic switch controller might save a lot of
money all across the board.

[Richard Reynolds]

> Well that many tanks I kind of understand, but I still don't know what a
> $1500 heater looks like.

because they run around $1500 I dont know exactly what it looks like either :D

but im currently not limiting myself to electric, and it has to be SW safe!!! which adds
up. and SS isnt working very well, so its probibly gona have to be titanium at a $$$$ you
can see pics of big heaters if you look at places like aquaticeco.com or other such places

> Maybe the running cost os cheaper then 50x300watt
> heaters (15,000 watts/hour). Even if you got a split system or ducted system
> installed you will still use around 3000-6000 watts/hour.

the biggest thing is not to use 3kwh while the tank temp is 79 :D
$0.13(min $ / kwh) * 3 * (24*7*52) = $$$3407.04 EEEEK!!!!! not a real representation of my
bill though its not that far off.

to jump back to my reply with 50 heaters I havent seen a $15 glass heater running 300w
either. highest I recall recently was 100w somewhere between 200w and 300w, SS and
titanium start to become evenly priced with glass but in the high $20 range vs low $30's
for non glass. on top of that I cant use glass ive tried it, they are way to fragile. I
just jumped from 3000 to 3500 its summer time so might not need a real heater until fall,
(considering its only 2 seasons here summer and fall)
but i am also heating 2 125g ponds outside(all connected).

> If all tanks are plummed together

they are!!!

> then maybe a hot water kettle element with
> an eletronic temprature thermatic switch controller might save a lot of
> money all across the board.

im actually looking at a lot of different ways. there are a few fancy ones a little more
$$$ but would heat when its cold or chill when its hot. I like that thought less
evaporation lower waterbill but dont wanna raise E bill in the process. another includes a
solar water heater of a plastic ish variety to store warm water until its needed.

--
Richard Reynolds

[Mort]

"> On the other hand, the other Xenia, the brown one, is growing
> like crazy and spreading over the pebbles. I need to look around
> for a place where I can get rid of it...
> Do you know if LFS are usually interested in taking Xenia frags?



I can take some off your hands.

~Mort

[skozzy]

Well, some concepts come to mind, starting with the solar idea. Make a boxed
frame 1-2 inch high, put pvc in it in a snaking pattern, starting from one
corner, then make the output come out via the other corner, then fill it
with enough tar to have the top of the pvc barely exposed, this can sit
beside the pond(s) with a pump pushing the water threw. Tar absorbs heat
very well, and the pvc should withstand the heat generated. A trhermatic
switch can turn the pump on/off.

Concept 2, have a perspex tank sit inside another tank, say a 4 foot with a
3 foot inside it, plumb the acrylic tank with pvc from left to right in
several/ many places. Fill the acrylic tank with fresh water (the salt water
will not mix with it, we hope), put in a heating element from a kettle, you
can also get them in 12vdc versions, so you heat the fresh water and it
passes the heat over to the salt as the salt water passes through the pvc
pipes, once again a thermatic switch will be needed to turn on/off the
element.

The solar method is good where I live, I tried once putting a black plastic
block into a bucket of water and also had a bucket with a block, I had them
side by side and the bucket with the block was quite hot.

Anyhow, it's all guess work.I like to tinker, maybe I should try the above.
Oh, and the solar heating ain't gonna be good at night, so storing it will
be the go, how about the output of the solar heater going into a fiarly
large plastic container (500-1000litres) or old water heater lined with
fiberglass or something salt water safe, and have purhaps bricks in there to
help store more heat for longer. The sun can heat during the day and maybe
electrical power can suppliment during the night.

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:jxQqc.31634$Md.3069@lakeread05...
> > Well that many tanks I kind of understand, but I still don't know what a
> > $1500 heater looks like.
>
> because they run around $1500 I dont know exactly what it looks like
either :D
>
> but im currently not limiting myself to electric, and it has to be SW
safe!!! which adds
> up. and SS isnt working very well, so its probibly gona have to be
titanium at a $$$$ you
> can see pics of big heaters if you look at places like aquaticeco.com or
other such places
>
> > Maybe the running cost os cheaper then 50x300watt
> > heaters (15,000 watts/hour). Even if you got a split system or ducted
system
> > installed you will still use around 3000-6000 watts/hour.
>
> the biggest thing is not to use 3kwh while the tank temp is 79 :D
> $0.13(min $ / kwh) * 3 * (24*7*52) = $$$3407.04 EEEEK!!!!! not a real
representation of my
> bill though its not that far off.
>
> to jump back to my reply with 50 heaters I havent seen a $15 glass heater
running 300w
> either. highest I recall recently was 100w somewhere between 200w and
300w, SS and
> titanium start to become evenly priced with glass but in the high $20
range vs low $30's
> for non glass. on top of that I cant use glass ive tried it, they are way
to fragile. I
> just jumped from 3000 to 3500 its summer time so might not need a real
heater until fall,
> (considering its only 2 seasons here summer and fall)
> but i am also heating 2 125g ponds outside(all connected).
>
> > If all tanks are plummed together
>
> they are!!!
>
> > then maybe a hot water kettle element with
> > an eletronic temprature thermatic switch controller might save a lot of
> > money all across the board.
>
> im actually looking at a lot of different ways. there are a few fancy ones
a little more
> $$$ but would heat when its cold or chill when its hot. I like that
thought less
> evaporation lower waterbill but dont wanna raise E bill in the process.
another includes a
> solar water heater of a plastic ish variety to store warm water until its
needed.
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>
>
>

[Richard Reynolds]

if I go the DIY solar route

there is a 6" wide 50' long roll with 4 runs of black tubing across the width made out of
a softer black plastic (?vinyl? maybe), im considering that, its made to be used to create
huge solar pannels for pools or hide away pannels so ppl dont notice. as for storage ive
got some HUGE sheets of styrophome im considering (id actually say im 1 step ahead of that
as ive got everything layed out just have not started) fiberglassing inside and out SW
safe epoxy on inside to store aprox 50 gallons, I kinda have one of these already but it
only holds 15g and the heaters inside it are not up to the job.(hobby heaters set to max)
im figuring its all SW safe so might as well run SW thru it all, keeps fiddling down and i
wont have to do things like another autotop off. a circ pump on a timer or something(?temp
probe on the pannels?) and another setup to increase the water into and out of the
system. hadnt thought about using something to store heat like bricks ill have to look
into that too. ive also found an electric tap waterheater(no storage tank made from
titanium) that should be sooo simple to modify to plugin after the DI filter and i can
set the topoff to occur only at night when its coldest that *might* help too.

I get plenty of sun, and heat, its just keeping the heat at night, and getting rid of it
durring the day.

im really looking closely at a unit that would do chilling and heating, to reduce the need
for fans for cooling, itll help with day time evaporation. unfortunately thats electric,
and with a $350 E bill per month id like to not increase it. by far gas is cheaper when
heating water, so thats where im kinda more focused at this instant, but as stated its
summer time, i dont really have to decide until later. I like to tinker also, im just
running out of time to tinker my list of projects is doubling and the hours in the day
doesnt seem to be changing much :D donno who to complain about that, probibly dont wanna
as my list would tripple for every new hour :D

--
Richard Reynolds

[skozzy]

I never thought about gas. There is plenty of free gas in a sewage system, I
just don't know how to harness it. Hey have you got any pictures of your
setup there ?, Its sounds rather big.

[CapFusion]

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:jxQqc.31634$Md.3069@lakeread05...
> > Well that many tanks I kind of understand, but I still don't know what a
> > $1500 heater looks like.
>
> because they run around $1500 I dont know exactly what it looks like
either :D


Uh uh.... I think I know, I think I know....
$1500 = $15.00

Ahhh...... simplo typo.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:0RMqc.31377$Md.29446@lakeread05...
> nope house has heat, not like i need it its SoCal I hate the cold and it
gets cold here
> just about 2months out of the year. and when I complain about the cold 45F
nights people
> always complain back about there -10F i only have 7 tanks in the house,
out of 40 and
> 3(soon to be 4 but i started saying soon in december) of those are
outside.
>

Summer is just in the corner. SoCal., without AC or cooling system and have
reef tank and those light / pump etc will generate heat.

CapFusion,...

[Richard Reynolds]

> I never thought about gas. There is plenty of free gas in a sewage system, I
> just don't know how to harness it.

im not against paying for it, im against paying soo much, it cuts into my profits :D

> Hey have you got any pictures of your
> setup there ?, Its sounds rather big.

right now there are 2 reasons I dont have pics available of my system, first everything is
a mess, its about 2 steps away from calling in fema and declaring it a desaster area!!! i
litterally have tanks stacked 10' in the air and only a 2' walkway. the other is more or
less a everyone else does it this way so, so am i. most breeders dont post pics. due to
that, for now I wont either. i do very ocasionally post pics of parts in threads on reef
central. and even less ocasionally on a.b.a

--
Richard Reynolds

[[email protected]]

Do you have any pics of your DIY chiller ?

I would love to see them ...


Pszemol wrote:

> I was experimenting with my DIY chiller and I made water too cold :-(
> I has dropped from 86F to 72F over night :-( Now is back to 78F
> and my "chiller" works with the heater in tune to keep it stable.
>
> Almost all animals look fine, fish/corals do not show any stress...
> All with one exception: Red Sea Xenia. I got it recently and it was
> small. Now it shrunk, still pulsing a little but is almost white
> and deflated. Will it survive my stupidity or I have killed it?
> I have other type of Xenia, brown one, with longer branches, and
> this one does not show any stress, but this silver one looks bad.
> I guess this species is used to higher temps in Red Sea and it
> got hurt so bad in 72F for that reason... :-(
>
> Please, tell me something nice to cheer me up... ;-)

[Pszemol]

Wrap about 20-25 turns of milky 1/8" "RO" tubing around your
fist and submerge it in your sump/refugium away from the view...
You can use tiewraps not containing any metal parts to hold the coil.
Attach free ends of the coil to the cold tap water source with some
precise ball-valve and this is all I got... I regulated water flow
to really fast drip not even flow on the other end and this is
enough to bring the water temp down significantly to have 78F.
Sometimes even my heater kicks in, so I probably need to
turn the water down...

I know it is kind of water "waste", but it is cheaper and quieter for me
than running electric chiller with phase change or thermoelectric one.
Probably because I have a really small tank of 30 US gallons.

> wrote in message ...
> Do you have any pics of your DIY chiller ?
>
> I would love to see them ...
>
>
> Pszemol wrote:
>
> > I was experimenting with my DIY chiller and I made water too cold :-(
> > I has dropped from 86F to 72F over night :-( Now is back to 78F
> > and my "chiller" works with the heater in tune to keep it stable.
> >
> > Almost all animals look fine, fish/corals do not show any stress...
> > All with one exception: Red Sea Xenia. I got it recently and it was
> > small. Now it shrunk, still pulsing a little but is almost white
> > and deflated. Will it survive my stupidity or I have killed it?
> > I have other type of Xenia, brown one, with longer branches, and
> > this one does not show any stress, but this silver one looks bad.
> > I guess this species is used to higher temps in Red Sea and it
> > got hurt so bad in 72F for that reason... :-(
> >
> > Please, tell me something nice to cheer me up... ;-)
>