SAL****ER HELP

[Bill]

Hello,

I will be setting up a sal****er tank with a combination of fish and live
rock. I have been reading several books to try and help. I am starting to
realize this is going to be a pretty expensive hobby. The help I need.
Please let me know if I am missing anything. Here goes. Stand, Canopy,
Tank, Wet/Dry filter with pump, protein skimmer w/ pump, heater, overflow
plumbing kit, salt, sand and coral, LIGHTS any suggestions on this would be
GREAT. If anyone can give me any sal****er advice or let me know if I am
missing anything I would really appreciate it. My math is at $1500.00 on
these supplies. That's before adding any live rock or fish. THANKS for any
help BILL

[JJ Johnson]

I'm sure you'll get lots of advice...my tidbit is:
Skip the wet/dry trickle filter and spend the money you save on a GOOD
protein skimmer. Top of the line is Euro Reef...bottom of the pile are
Prizms (or anything that hangs on the back of the tank).

I'm a huge fan of www.wetwebmedia.com. They're an almost endless resource of
GOOD info. Spend a week or so reading the marine Q&A's before buying
anything or any more books. Not that books are a bad thing...it's just that
most books tend to lag a few years (or decades) behind the current knowledge
base.

Blue Skies
JJ
"Bill" > wrote in message
...
> Hello,
>
> I will be setting up a sal****er tank with a combination of fish and live
> rock. I have been reading several books to try and help. I am starting
to
> realize this is going to be a pretty expensive hobby. The help I need.
> Please let me know if I am missing anything. Here goes. Stand, Canopy,
> Tank, Wet/Dry filter with pump, protein skimmer w/ pump, heater, overflow
> plumbing kit, salt, sand and coral, LIGHTS any suggestions on this would
be
> GREAT. If anyone can give me any sal****er advice or let me know if I am
> missing anything I would really appreciate it. My math is at $1500.00 on
> these supplies. That's before adding any live rock or fish. THANKS for
any
> help BILL
>
>

[Marc Levenson]

You are doing things right by asking first! Good job. I took don't recommend a
wet/dry, even if you are going to have Fish Only. You'll eventually want some
pretty corals... ;)

http://www.melevsreef.com/overview.htm

Marc


Bill wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I will be setting up a sal****er tank with a combination of fish and live
> rock. I have been reading several books to try and help. I am starting to
> realize this is going to be a pretty expensive hobby. The help I need.
> Please let me know if I am missing anything. Here goes. Stand, Canopy,
> Tank, Wet/Dry filter with pump, protein skimmer w/ pump, heater, overflow
> plumbing kit, salt, sand and coral, LIGHTS any suggestions on this would be
> GREAT. If anyone can give me any sal****er advice or let me know if I am
> missing anything I would really appreciate it. My math is at $1500.00 on
> these supplies. That's before adding any live rock or fish. THANKS for any
> help BILL

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[Richard Reynolds]

> My math is at $1500.00 on these supplies.
how big a tank are you looking at??? cause thats probibly right for a 15g tank :D

and are you thinking a FOWLR or a reef?? the first has basic inverts and LR, the 2nd has
corals/anemones ....







<<<<<<the 15g is mostly a joke not to be taken too literally>>>>>>

--
Richard Reynolds

[Bill]

No that was a 90 gallon. 15 gallon maybe if I filled it with 14k gold.
"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
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> > My math is at $1500.00 on these supplies.
> how big a tank are you looking at??? cause thats probibly right for a 15g
tank :D
>
> and are you thinking a FOWLR or a reef?? the first has basic inverts and
LR, the 2nd has
> corals/anemones ....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <<<<<<the 15g is mostly a joke not to be taken too literally>>>>>>
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>
>
>
>

[Dinky]

"CapFusion" <CapeFussion...@hotmail..,com> wrote in message
...

|
| Hey hey guys..... W/D is a good thing. It can be as your friend and
try not
| to see it as enemy. You simply need to how to use it. Like....
remove the
| BIOS-Balls. Now it is your BEST friend. Add BIOS-Ball, then it
become your
| worst enemy in Reef environment. W/D play very nicely depending on
how you
| use it. Do not give a W/D a bad name that it does not deservice ;]
W/D
| without BIOS-Ball will become a sump that can hold all sort of your
| equipment that normally place in the main tank. It can be also a
conbination
| of Refuguim / Sump as a combo. Many usefullness.
|


Erm.. that's pretty much what I said.<g>


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[Dinky]

"Bill" > wrote in message
...
| No that was a 90 gallon. 15 gallon maybe if I filled it with 14k
gold.
| "Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
| news:6KVuc.1812$CW.1292@lakeread05...
| > > My math is at $1500.00 on these supplies.
| > how big a tank are you looking at??? cause thats probibly right
for a 15g


A *serious* reefer WOULD spend 1500 on a 15gal.<g>


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[Richard Reynolds]

> BIOS-Balls.

bios balls ???

hehe

should this be the time to menton that a wet/dry is actually a broad term given to a bio
filter that includes trickle towers and bio wheels, both of which dont hold water???

hehehe :D


--
Richard Reynolds

[CapFusion]

"Dinky" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CapFusion" <CapeFussion...@hotmail..,com> wrote in message
> ...
>
> |
> | Hey hey guys..... W/D is a good thing. It can be as your friend and
> try not
> | to see it as enemy. You simply need to how to use it. Like....
> remove the
> | BIOS-Balls. Now it is your BEST friend. Add BIOS-Ball, then it
> become your
> | worst enemy in Reef environment. W/D play very nicely depending on
> how you
> | use it. Do not give a W/D a bad name that it does not deservice ;]
> W/D
> | without BIOS-Ball will become a sump that can hold all sort of your
> | equipment that normally place in the main tank. It can be also a
> conbination
> | of Refuguim / Sump as a combo. Many usefullness.
> |
>
>
> Erm.. that's pretty much what I said.<g>

Sorry, maybe I have miss that part. Thank for putting me in place.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
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> > BIOS-Balls.
>
> bios balls ???
>
> hehe
>
> should this be the time to menton that a wet/dry is actually a broad term
given to a bio
> filter that includes trickle towers and bio wheels, both of which dont
hold water???
>
> hehehe :D

Yeap.
W/D can have in BIOS-Wheel on certain filter that normally seen on or as HOT
type. But normally BIOS-Balls normally can be seen or look like a ball shape
and in a tank / sump like. BTW, there is a HOT sump W/D, too. NoneTheLess,
both still can be consider as "Wet/Dry" type of filter. Wet/Dry concept
simply mean water flow through or around the surface of spores of somekind.
Where it have high oxygen and water flow for bacteria to be able efficiently
breakdown nitrite to nitrate compound.

BIOS-Ball and BIOS-Wheel = same purpose
Both do not hold much water either.
Both do not recommend in Reef type environment.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

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Protein Skimmer in FW
Ahhh humm......... You got me there. BUT I am still firmly stand on my
comment to PS in FW environment solution. Maybe I was just harch with FW and
PS. I should amend to say not too good in FW. PS can be use in FW but not
worth it . I did try using PS on my FW [gourami and koi
/goldfish] tank before to see if it work just the same as my SW tank. It
turn out not the same. Then I look High and Low for the reason "Why".

Maybe this link will give a general idea.
http://home.mweb.co.za/jv/jv79/reef/skimmers2.html

CapFusion,...


"Matt Awbrey" > wrote in message
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> Since when is a protein skimmer bad for FW systems. I've installed several
> RK2 3000's on freshwater systems and they do a great job of removing
> organics from the water.
> "CapFusion" <CapeFussion...@hotmail..,com> wrote in message
> ...[i]
> >
> > Hey hey guys..... W/D is a good thing. It can be as your friend and try
> not
> > to see it as enemy. You simply need to how to use it. Like.... remove
the
> > BIOS-Balls. Now it is your BEST friend. Add BIOS-Ball, then it become
your
> > worst enemy in Reef environment. W/D play very nicely depending on how
you
> > use it. Do not give a W/D a bad name that it does not deservice ;] W/D
> > without BIOS-Ball will become a sump that can hold all sort of your
> > equipment that normally place in the main tank. It can be also a
> conbination
> > of Refuguim / Sump as a combo. Many usefullness.
> >
> > W/D with BIOS-ball = Good in FW
> > W/D with BIOS-ball = Bad in Reef
> > PS = Bad in FW
> > PS = Good in SW
> >
> > CapFusion,...

[Dinky]

"Matt Awbrey" > wrote in message
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| Since when is a protein skimmer bad for FW systems. I've installed
several


Freshwater is not dense enough for skimming to really take place. It
doesn't hurt anything, but it's really not doing anything. So I've
read.


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[Richard Reynolds]

> Both do not recommend in Reef type environment.

*******newbies skip this entire post its unimportant as mentioned wet/dry's and reefs dont
mix well.





> Yeap.
> W/D can have in BIOS-Wheel on certain filter that normally seen on or as HOT
> type.
no bio-wheels are wet/drys.
so are trickle towers they are just different types of wet/drys.

> But normally BIOS-Balls normally can be seen or look like a ball shape
> and in a tank / sump like.
actually "bio-ball" and "bio-wheel" are trademark names specifically they refere to a
single type of ball or wheel, there are other versions of the same thing and its not
unherd of to mix and match.

> BTW, there is a HOT sump W/D, too.
there have been HOT wet/drys for decades even before the bio-ball and bio-wheel, they
used things like bags and sponges to do the same job.

> NoneTheLess,
> both still can be consider as "Wet/Dry" type of filter.
not really one IS a wet/dry the other is part of what can be a wet/dry


> Wet/Dry concept
> simply mean water flow through or around the surface of spores of somekind.
its actually further than that specifically its a filter which has bio surface area that
is exposed to air, its an important step. a ton of bio-balls submerged in a box is not a
wetdry, its not anything except a bunch of bio-balls in a box. it will provide surface
area for bacteria, its not a wet/dry.

> Where it have high oxygen and water flow for bacteria to be able efficiently
> breakdown nitrite to nitrate compound.
ammonia => nitrite => nitrate not just nitrite to nitrate.

> BIOS-Ball and BIOS-Wheel = same purpose
no bio-balls provide surface area for bacteria they dont care if they are submerged or
not, a bio-wheel provides the complete package, the out of water step, the enormous
surface area. all in an itty bitty box :D bio-wheel and trickle tower = same purpose.
bio-balls are more like the material the bio-wheel is made out of.

> Both do not hold much water either.
neither hold any water its not there job to hold water its there job to allow water to
flow freely past them and provide surface area for bacteria.

the sump is what holds water, even if you buy it as a package as they are often sold
trickle tower and sump in a combo box. the wet/dry must be hooked up to something that
holds water, in the tank is ugly but HOT is well less ugly, and in a sump is even better
because no matter how ugly it is, its easy to hide.

--
Richard Reynolds

[CapFusion]

Humm...
This thread is becoming a debate regard how W/D / BIOS [Wheel or Ball]
should be like or how it suppose to be and the fucntion of it.

See below if anyone care.

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
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>



> > Both do not recommend in Reef type environment.
>
> *******newbies skip this entire post its unimportant as mentioned
wet/dry's and reefs dont
> mix well.

Very UnImportant.



>
> > Yeap.
> > W/D can have in BIOS-Wheel on certain filter that normally seen on or as
HOT
> > type.
> no bio-wheels are wet/drys.
> so are trickle towers they are just different types of wet/drys.
>


BIOS-Wheel
BIOS-Ball
Both do the same thing and same purpose:
In Ball and Wheel, water is being pass through it. Ball simply have bigger
spore for water to pass through. Both have high oxygen exchange.
Wheel will get oxygen when it as it turn and surface [with small spore area
compare to ball]
Ball will get oxygen when water not passing through at the moment.

Take this as an sample.
http://petsolutions.com/product.asp?pn=47490083

Eventhough this is a small filter, it still have the same concept as a big
W/D tackle filter. Without that "Wheel", it simply a mechanical filter.
This filter simply have a small area to hold water [sump] without the
tackle. This water will go through the process to the wheel. It just reverse
of a true W/D filter like below.


With this model sample.
http://petsolutions.com/product.asp?pn=85071275
Water go through the ball as it spread around the ball then hold water at
the sump area.

So both model are still consider W/D type but just use Wheel or Ball.


> > But normally BIOS-Balls normally can be seen or look like a ball shape
> > and in a tank / sump like.
> actually "bio-ball" and "bio-wheel" are trademark names specifically they
refere to a
> single type of ball or wheel, there are other versions of the same thing
and its not
> unherd of to mix and match.
>

Yes, beside Ball / Wheel, there other version too.


> > BTW, there is a HOT sump W/D, too.
> there have been HOT wet/drys for decades even before the bio-ball and
bio-wheel, they
> used things like bags and sponges to do the same job.
>

With just bag and sponge, those been out prior to Ball / Wheel concept. This
type consider mechanical filter as refer to.


> > NoneTheLess,
> > both still can be consider as "Wet/Dry" type of filter.
> not really one IS a wet/dry the other is part of what can be a wet/dry
>

What do you mean here.
Wheel -
Does the Wheel have oxygen exchange as water pass through it or around it.
Remember wheel increase oxygen as it surface.
Ball -
Ball get oxygen as water not occupying at that moment.

Both expose to air when water not passing through.
Both have high oxygen for bacteria to breakdown compound.

The only difference is wheel have less spore area for bacteria to colonize.
Wheel type filter hold water before.
Ball type filter hold water after.



>
> > Wet/Dry concept
> > simply mean water flow through or around the surface of spores of
somekind.
> its actually further than that specifically its a filter which has bio
surface area that
> is exposed to air, its an important step. a ton of bio-balls submerged in
a box is not a
> wetdry, its not anything except a bunch of bio-balls in a box. it will
provide surface
> area for bacteria, its not a wet/dry.
>

So, wheel you saying is not Wet/Dry?
Wheel do not get expose to air like the ball?
When both [ball/wheel] are submerse, both have less oxygen.
When both [ball/wheel] expose to air, higher oxygen exchange for bacteria to
do the work.

What is the differences? I do not see any differences except for the obvious
of area for becteria to colonize. Both do the same purpose. It just the
efficient and how much are the differences.



> > Where it have high oxygen and water flow for bacteria to be able
efficiently
> > breakdown nitrite to nitrate compound.
> ammonia => nitrite => nitrate not just nitrite to nitrate.
>

No comment here.
Should I have put in more of that detail regarding the goal of the wheel /
ball?
What does the main purpose of a filter do or the goal?
Should I add one more obvious thing that came to my head >> trap nutrient
<<.



> > BIOS-Ball and BIOS-Wheel = same purpose
> no bio-balls provide surface area for bacteria they dont care if they are
submerged or
> not, a bio-wheel provides the complete package, the out of water step, the
enormous
> surface area. all in an itty bitty box :D bio-wheel and trickle tower =
same purpose.
> bio-balls are more like the material the bio-wheel is made out of.
>

Yes, bacteria do not care where [submerse or not].
Your comment here seem to contract your comment above regard W/D.
Now you are getting in detail regarding about material.


> > Both do not hold much water either.
> neither hold any water its not there job to hold water its there job to
allow water to
> flow freely past them and provide surface area for bacteria.
>

I did not say it their job to hold water.
If you taking this comment > "Both do not hold much water either" <...
literarily....Guess I give a wrong impression.
But both ball and wheel do hold some water. You can take out the wheel and
or the ball. Do you see drip of water? Simply the wheel will hold more than
the ball due to it type of material. Note.... Both do not meant to hold
water. **Off-Topic**


> the sump is what holds water, even if you buy it as a package as they are
often sold
> trickle tower and sump in a combo box. the wet/dry must be hooked up to
something that
> holds water, in the tank is ugly but HOT is well less ugly, and in a sump
is even better
> because no matter how ugly it is, its easy to hide.
>

Yes, sump hold water. And yes... both can be consider seen or label as ugly.

You can have sumpless W/D filter.
You simply have eggcrate over your tank. Above the eggcrate, where you have
either or both wheel / ball. Or maybe I should say the main tank is the
sump.


CapFusion,...

[Bill]

OK DINKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Dinky" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Bill" > wrote in message
> ...
> | No that was a 90 gallon. 15 gallon maybe if I filled it with 14k
> gold.
> | "Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
> | news:6KVuc.1812$CW.1292@lakeread05...
> | > > My math is at $1500.00 on these supplies.
> | > how big a tank are you looking at??? cause thats probibly right
> for a 15g
>
>
> A *serious* reefer WOULD spend 1500 on a 15gal.<g>
>
>
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[Richard Reynolds]

> A *serious* reefer WOULD spend 1500 on a 15gal.<g>

no a *serious* reefer would spend 1500 on a 7gal :D


hehe
--
Richard Reynolds

[F.D.S.]

So no bio wheel in a reef tank?? Are bio wheels nitrate factories too?
fernan
"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:CYzvc.2801$CW.1896@lakeread05...
>
> > Both do not recommend in Reef type environment.
>
> *******newbies skip this entire post its unimportant as mentioned
wet/dry's and reefs dont
> mix well.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Yeap.
> > W/D can have in BIOS-Wheel on certain filter that normally seen on or as
HOT
> > type.
> no bio-wheels are wet/drys.
> so are trickle towers they are just different types of wet/drys.
>
> > But normally BIOS-Balls normally can be seen or look like a ball shape
> > and in a tank / sump like.
> actually "bio-ball" and "bio-wheel" are trademark names specifically they
refere to a
> single type of ball or wheel, there are other versions of the same thing
and its not
> unherd of to mix and match.
>
> > BTW, there is a HOT sump W/D, too.
> there have been HOT wet/drys for decades even before the bio-ball and
bio-wheel, they
> used things like bags and sponges to do the same job.
>
> > NoneTheLess,
> > both still can be consider as "Wet/Dry" type of filter.
> not really one IS a wet/dry the other is part of what can be a wet/dry
>
>
> > Wet/Dry concept
> > simply mean water flow through or around the surface of spores of
somekind.
> its actually further than that specifically its a filter which has bio
surface area that
> is exposed to air, its an important step. a ton of bio-balls submerged in
a box is not a
> wetdry, its not anything except a bunch of bio-balls in a box. it will
provide surface
> area for bacteria, its not a wet/dry.
>
> > Where it have high oxygen and water flow for bacteria to be able
efficiently
> > breakdown nitrite to nitrate compound.
> ammonia => nitrite => nitrate not just nitrite to nitrate.
>
> > BIOS-Ball and BIOS-Wheel = same purpose
> no bio-balls provide surface area for bacteria they dont care if they are
submerged or
> not, a bio-wheel provides the complete package, the out of water step, the
enormous
> surface area. all in an itty bitty box :D bio-wheel and trickle tower =
same purpose.
> bio-balls are more like the material the bio-wheel is made out of.
>
> > Both do not hold much water either.
> neither hold any water its not there job to hold water its there job to
allow water to
> flow freely past them and provide surface area for bacteria.
>
> the sump is what holds water, even if you buy it as a package as they are
often sold
> trickle tower and sump in a combo box. the wet/dry must be hooked up to
something that
> holds water, in the tank is ugly but HOT is well less ugly, and in a sump
is even better
> because no matter how ugly it is, its easy to hide.
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>
>
>

[Richard Reynolds]

> So no bio wheel in a reef tank??
that is correct no bio-wheels in reef tanks

>Are bio wheels nitrate factories too?
though not to as much of an extreme yes.
along with processing ammonia/nitrite very fast/well, several forms of wet/dry's do also
trap detritus which breaks down in the filter, bio wheels do this to much less of an
extent, they still do it. they still process amminia/nitrite very fast these are good
things when natural filtration methods are not available, LR and DSB's provide almost as
good processing of ammonia/nitrite but also process nitrate and detritus.

--
Richard Reynolds

[Marc Levenson]

http://www.melevsreef.com/reducing_nitrates.html

Marc

"F.D.S." wrote:

> So no bio wheel in a reef tank?? Are bio wheels nitrate factories too?
> fernan
>

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[CapFusion]

"F.D.S." > wrote in message
...
> So no bio wheel in a reef tank?? Are bio wheels nitrate factories too?
> fernan


Nope.
You just need something like this for filtering.
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/55sump.html

CapFusion,...

[F.D.S.]

marc,
your sump/refugium/ps system looks awesome! wish i had the know-how to build
one like that. i too, have a 55 gallon and right now, i am running a penguin
HOT 330 power filter with no filter material, but with the biowheels
installed along with a protein skimmer rated for up to 180gal. i have a
spare 10 gallon tank that i can use for a refugium, anybody in the newsgroup
wanna donate a good, used overflow box to a starving aquarist? :-))
fernan
"CapFusion" <CapeFussion...@hotmail..,com> wrote in message
...
>
> "F.D.S." > wrote in message
> ...
> > So no bio wheel in a reef tank?? Are bio wheels nitrate factories too?
> > fernan
>
>
> Nope.
> You just need something like this for filtering.
> http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/55sump.html
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

[CapFusion]

"F.D.S." > wrote in message
...
> marc,
> your sump/refugium/ps system looks awesome! wish i had the know-how to
build
> one like that. i too, have a 55 gallon and right now, i am running a
penguin
> HOT 330 power filter with no filter material, but with the biowheels
> installed along with a protein skimmer rated for up to 180gal. i have a
> spare 10 gallon tank that i can use for a refugium, anybody in the
newsgroup
> wanna donate a good, used overflow box to a starving aquarist? :-))
> fernan

Hey, get back in line. I am waiting for one myself.

CapFusion,...

[Matt Awbrey]

I agree that PS FW aquariums does not achieve worthwhile results. The
systems are far to inadequate and unable to provide the volume of air and
the volume of influent necessary for PS to be a feasable means of organics
removal in FW. However, in systems that are able to provide the space
required and the volume to flowrate ratios necessary, PS works extemely well
and is a very efficient means of filtration for the removal of organics.
Some sewage treatment plants utilize PS as a low cost means to help augment
the removal of solids during primary and to some extent secondary treatment
of raw sewage. Some drinking water treatment plants I have seen use a method
similar to PS to inject ozone. Although, PS is not the intent it is
sometimes a secondary result that may be utilized to some extent during the
treatment process.
So, for FW systems such as aquariums PS is pretty much a "waste" of time
(pun intended) In systems where capacity is measured in cubic ft and volume
treated is measured in cubic ft per minute or per sec., PS can be an
effective means of secodary and sometimes even primary filtration.
"Dinky" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Matt Awbrey" > wrote in message
> news:50lvc.40524$mm1.10082@fed1read06...
> | Since when is a protein skimmer bad for FW systems. I've installed
> several
>
>
> Freshwater is not dense enough for skimming to really take place. It
> doesn't hurt anything, but it's really not doing anything. So I've
> read.
>
>
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[Marc Levenson]

You can make your own sump and refugium just like I did. Try reading some of
the pages on this link, because I do provide a number of tips.

http://www.melevsreef.com/allmysumps.html

Marc


"F.D.S." wrote:

> marc,
> your sump/refugium/ps system looks awesome! wish i had the know-how to build
> one like that. i too, have a 55 gallon and right now, i am running a penguin
> HOT 330 power filter with no filter material, but with the biowheels
> installed along with a protein skimmer rated for up to 180gal. i have a
> spare 10 gallon tank that i can use for a refugium, anybody in the newsgroup
> wanna donate a good, used overflow box to a starving aquarist? :-))
> fernan
>

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[Bill]

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:p5Svc.187$5B2.53@lakeread04...
> > A *serious* reefer WOULD spend 1500 on a 15gal.<g>
>
> no a *serious* reefer would spend 1500 on a 7gal :D
>
>
> hehe
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>
>
>

[Bill]

I think it is more like a stupid refer would spend 1500 of a 7
gal!!!!!!!!!!! I will be at 1500.00 with everything but live rock and
fish!!!!!!!
"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:p5Svc.187$5B2.53@lakeread04...
> > A *serious* reefer WOULD spend 1500 on a 15gal.<g>
>
> no a *serious* reefer would spend 1500 on a 7gal :D
>
>
> hehe
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>
>
>

[Dinky]

"Bill" > wrote in message
...
| I think it is more like a stupid refer would spend 1500 of a 7
| gal!!!!!!!!!!! I will be at 1500.00 with everything but live rock
and
| fish!!!!!!!


Depends on what you like. Some people insist on the best of
everything. Most expensive, prettiest, LR, fanciest fish, best
lighting, auto kalk injectors, electronic monitors, etc, etc, etc.
Wouldn't be hard at all to spend 1500 bucks on a small tank. It's not
stupidity, just a different way of doing things.<g>


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[myfizz]

yup
you miss 1 thing


full of patient :)

On Mon, 31 May 2004 13:31:46 GMT, Bill > wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I will be setting up a sal****er tank with a combination of fish and live
> rock. I have been reading several books to try and help. I am starting
> to
> realize this is going to be a pretty expensive hobby. The help I need.
> Please let me know if I am missing anything. Here goes. Stand, Canopy,
> Tank, Wet/Dry filter with pump, protein skimmer w/ pump, heater, overflow
> plumbing kit, salt, sand and coral, LIGHTS any suggestions on this would
> be
> GREAT. If anyone can give me any sal****er advice or let me know if I am
> missing anything I would really appreciate it. My math is at $1500.00 on
> these supplies. That's before adding any live rock or fish. THANKS for
> any
> help BILL
>
>



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