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Benjamin Slade
June 27th 04, 01:16 AM
I have a 15 gal reef tank which isn't doing so well. I've been having
problems with the pH and with various weed-like things growing. I
change the water on a pretty frequent basis, but it's hard to keep up.
You can see a picture of it here:

http://www.benslade.com/misc/img_1905.jpg

You can see the various red hair like sea weed, as well as the more
conventional green seaweed (which grows pretty fast)

The tank has no sand bed and no protein skimmer. It uses an AquaClear
300 filter hooked into a surface skimmer (see
www.oscarent.com/productspages/surfaceskimmer.html ). There's also an
additional Penguin mini filter just for cirulation. A float switch by
AquaDevices (aquadevices.50megs.com/order1.htm) automatically adds water
to compensate for evaporation.

Anyway, I'm moving (getting married!) and I need to plan a new tank.
So this is my opportunity to atone for my sins and start fresh.

Which is sort of intimidating.

"She who must be obeyed" has granted me a corner of a room that permits
a tank with floor dimensions of roughly 3 x 1.5 feet (a 30 gal tank?)

I also have a bunch of personal desires for my tank:

* It must run very quietly. Only quiet protein skimmers. No chillers.
* Nothing hanging from the ceiling (no metal halide hanging hoods)
* No protein skimmers that pump bubbles into the tank.
(which I think is more of a problem with small tanks)
* It must run cool. Fans, if any, have to be quite (eg. Icecap fans)
* It must be easy to get at the corals to diddle with them, and to clean
the glass.
* It should look cool.

For the protein skimmer, I've used several different kinds and I've
never been completely happy with any of them. I'm going to post a
separate message about my ideas for the perfect protein skimmer. I
guess for this tank, I'll try and pick a quiet yet effective one that
sits in a sump.

I know there are maybe a few hundred reference sources for this, which
is just a little overwhelming.

I'm thinking about a 2 inch sand bed, maybe some egg crate plastic to
hold the live rock off the live sand, maybe a two tier shelf of egg
crate plastic to give a nice coral cliff effect. A narrow but quiet
overflow box that feeds into a sump. Probably a reed switch to control
evaporative water replacement in the sump. Maybe using hang on the
back filters for water circulation (heat is mostly dumped into air, not
into the water). I'd like some sort of lighting system that easily moves
out of the way so I can clean the tank.

Also, how do I tranfer all my existing corals to the new tank, but not
transfer the annoying weed-like things? Do I just take each live rock
in a bucket and scrape off everything I don't like?

So those are my thoughts and questions. All advice appreciated.

Ben Slade
www.benslade.com

(include "030516 at the end of the subject line to bypass my spam filters)

Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence in society.
Mark Twain

Pszemol
June 28th 04, 05:34 PM
"Benjamin Slade" > wrote in message ...
> "She who must be obeyed" has granted me a corner of a room that permits
> a tank with floor dimensions of roughly 3 x 1.5 feet (a 30 gal tank?)

If you want to have a reef tank, you could probably fit there 36" long
40 gallons "breeder" tank. Breeder tank has bettersurface to volume
ratio than regular tank (for example 36" long 30 gallon tank).

> I also have a bunch of personal desires for my tank:
>
> * It must run very quietly. Only quiet protein skimmers. No chillers.
> * Nothing hanging from the ceiling (no metal halide hanging hoods)
> * No protein skimmers that pump bubbles into the tank.
> (which I think is more of a problem with small tanks)

Hmmm... reef without a skimmer? It will be challenging...
How do you plan to do it? I would suggest negotiating this
skimmer with your "She who must be obeyed". Otherwise
I would not count on good looking nor healthy reef tank...

Or, you should consider synthetic corals instead...
Something like this:
http://www.livingcolor.com/coral.cfm?jump=catalog&product_type_ID=1
It will always look cool, and it does not require any skimmer...
It will be really quiet. I would even say dead quiet ;-)

Sorry, but if you cannot run a skimmer, real corals will not feel good.
I run SeaClone skimmer in my 30g and yes, you can hear air bubbles, but
it is not a big deal. Overflow to the sump could be louder sometimes...

Marc Levenson
June 29th 04, 02:58 PM
Hi Benjamin,

I think you should try to model your next tank after my 29g.
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/maintank.html
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/sump.html
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/sumps/sump_model_a.html

Moving livestock is just like when you get it at the LFS. Be gentle, be
quick, make sure to acclimate correctly.

The LR could be stored in a trashcan in total darkness for 3 weeks to
kill off the algae. You'd still need to maintain water quality,
current, and skimming while it sat in darkness. Manual removal of as
much as you can get would be beneficial.

Marc


Benjamin Slade wrote:

> I have a 15 gal reef tank which isn't doing so well. I've been having
> problems with the pH and with various weed-like things growing. I
> change the water on a pretty frequent basis, but it's hard to keep up.
> You can see a picture of it here:
>
> http://www.benslade.com/misc/img_1905.jpg
>
> You can see the various red hair like sea weed, as well as the more
> conventional green seaweed (which grows pretty fast)
>
> The tank has no sand bed and no protein skimmer. It uses an AquaClear
> 300 filter hooked into a surface skimmer (see
> www.oscarent.com/productspages/surfaceskimmer.html ). There's also an
> additional Penguin mini filter just for cirulation. A float switch by
> AquaDevices (aquadevices.50megs.com/order1.htm) automatically adds water
> to compensate for evaporation.
>
> Anyway, I'm moving (getting married!) and I need to plan a new tank. So
> this is my opportunity to atone for my sins and start fresh.
>
> Which is sort of intimidating.
>
> "She who must be obeyed" has granted me a corner of a room that permits
> a tank with floor dimensions of roughly 3 x 1.5 feet (a 30 gal tank?)
>
> I also have a bunch of personal desires for my tank:
>
> * It must run very quietly. Only quiet protein skimmers. No chillers.
> * Nothing hanging from the ceiling (no metal halide hanging hoods)
> * No protein skimmers that pump bubbles into the tank.
> (which I think is more of a problem with small tanks)
> * It must run cool. Fans, if any, have to be quite (eg. Icecap fans)
> * It must be easy to get at the corals to diddle with them, and to clean
> the glass.
> * It should look cool.
>
> For the protein skimmer, I've used several different kinds and I've
> never been completely happy with any of them. I'm going to post a
> separate message about my ideas for the perfect protein skimmer. I
> guess for this tank, I'll try and pick a quiet yet effective one that
> sits in a sump.
>
> I know there are maybe a few hundred reference sources for this, which
> is just a little overwhelming.
>
> I'm thinking about a 2 inch sand bed, maybe some egg crate plastic to
> hold the live rock off the live sand, maybe a two tier shelf of egg
> crate plastic to give a nice coral cliff effect. A narrow but quiet
> overflow box that feeds into a sump. Probably a reed switch to control
> evaporative water replacement in the sump. Maybe using hang on the
> back filters for water circulation (heat is mostly dumped into air, not
> into the water). I'd like some sort of lighting system that easily moves
> out of the way so I can clean the tank.
>
> Also, how do I tranfer all my existing corals to the new tank, but not
> transfer the annoying weed-like things? Do I just take each live rock
> in a bucket and scrape off everything I don't like?
>
> So those are my thoughts and questions. All advice appreciated.
>
> Ben Slade
> www.benslade.com
>
> (include "030516 at the end of the subject line to bypass my spam filters)
>
> Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence in society.
> Mark Twain

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Pszemol
June 29th 04, 05:05 PM
"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message m...
> I think you should try to model your next tank after my 29g.
> http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/maintank.html
> http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/sump.html
> http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/sumps/sump_model_a.html

You have bubbling skimmer... and the sump... it is "too loud" ;-)

Richard Reynolds
July 6th 04, 10:56 PM
> The tank has no sand bed
no problems, though a thin sand bed isnt bad either.

> and no protein skimmer.
not a big issue on a nano

> It uses an AquaClear 300 filter hooked into a surface skimmer
ditch it

> additional Penguin mini filter just for cirulation.
ditch that too, use powerheads instead.

> A float switch by AquaDevices automatically adds water
> to compensate for evaporation.
thats a keeper

> Anyway, I'm moving (getting married!) and I need to plan a new tank.
> So this is my opportunity to atone for my sins and start fresh.
>
> Which is sort of intimidating.
sins or marrage ??? hehehehe :D

> "She who must be obeyed" has granted me a corner of a room that permits
> a tank with floor dimensions of roughly 3 x 1.5 feet (a 30 gal tank?)
several will fit that even some 60's

> I also have a bunch of personal desires for my tank:

> * It must run very quietly. Only quiet protein skimmers. No chillers.
no chiller isnt a big issue. skimmer well thats a different story if you dont
have one, then build the biggest refugium or ATS that you can fit under the
tank.

> * Nothing hanging from the ceiling (no metal halide hanging hoods)
no problems there

> * No protein skimmers that pump bubbles into the tank.
> (which I think is more of a problem with small tanks)
most "ok ish" or better ones dont have these problems after an initaial break
in period..

> * It must run cool. Fans, if any, have to be quite (eg. Icecap fans)
also not an issue, easy solutions. get good fans, raise lights, limit pumps, use
external pumps ....

> * It must be easy to get at the corals to diddle with them, and to clean
> the glass.
gota pick your tank size first, but shouldnt be a real problem.

> * It should look cool.
ALWAYS!!!!


> For the protein skimmer, I've used several different kinds and I've
> never been completely happy with any of them. I'm going to post a
> separate message about my ideas for the perfect protein skimmer. I
> guess for this tank, I'll try and pick a quiet yet effective one that
> sits in a sump.
get a euro-reef, and build a silencer for the vacume tube.($3 at home depot)