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Mandarin333
July 1st 04, 06:52 AM
In this wasteland for reefkeepers that is my little corner of the world, I have
the misfortune of having only two ****ty shops that sell sal****er. By
sal****er I mean strictly fish and the odd anemone or unfortunate shrimp not
coral. One is a chain which shall remain nameless and ever clueless. They
keep their water quality pretty good but selection typically rots. The
privately owned shop runs a multitank central system death trap with loads of
sludge --yes, sludge on the bottom of their tanks. These people are good with
FW but so totally f'n clueless about salt. Yesterday I got to see a seven inch
hippo for sale for $30! No, that isn't their regular prices. Must've been
from someone tearing down a tank or else it had someone's initials carved on
the side I couldn't see. My heart dropped for this fish and it would've come
home with me if I had room. The finer points I love about this place are:

1. The live rock tank which is totally unlit and pretty much <dead rock> except
for the bacteria.

2. The slowly starving anemone population sitting under a single NO flourescent
tube.

3. The complete absence of some lettuce or other greens for any tang
unfortunate enough to be trapped there.

4. 20 gal. tanks with 20 fish in them when there are like ten other empty f'n
tanks open.

5. They bought mandarins! What kind of idiocy was that? Sheer idiocy. One
is dead so take heart as its suffering has ended. The other poor thing was
still active but oozing slime. They've likely no idea how to feed it.

6. Did I mention the sludge?

It's like you want to say something...actually you want to scream it but you
know they aren't likely to care enough to do anything about it because
sal****er is pesky and takes some knowledge and that bitch of all bitches
-WORK.

The best thing is...you might expect this kind of thing from a little LFS but
I've seen just as good from one of the big boys. I was in their mammoth fish
room replete with technology and skimmers the size of ancient Egyptian
obelisks. I watched as a bull mandarin ripped the pectoral fins off of another
because they were too dumb to keep them seperate (even the teenyboppers that
run the LFS knew better). I witnessed the bloodsport of a small tank stocked
with nine royal gramas. There were at least two other examples as equally
idiotic from that trip which I thankfully can't recall since they just **** me
off. Maybe the "experts" they claim to have on staff oughtta visit the
fishroom once in a blue moon reef light's life.

-M333

gg
July 1st 04, 03:05 PM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mandarin333" >
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:52 AM
Subject: Clueless LFS.


> In this wasteland for reefkeepers that is my little corner of the world, I
have
> the misfortune of having only two ****ty shops that sell sal****er. By
> sal****er I mean strictly fish and the odd anemone or unfortunate shrimp
not
> coral.

Where is your little corner? I live in Ontario, so we have a few decent
shops around luckily. Limited selections though.

>
> -M333

Just wondering, I would love to have a Mandarin in my FOWLR (corals to come)
4 mos.old 37 Gal tank, with 45# LR but am worried about the little fella
eating. So many different answers to the question from the LFS and
literature. Is there any way to check or test if you have you have the (or
buy the) right things in/for your tank? (perhaps you could really tell me
what the right things are?) All the web pages I have looked at range from
certain sponges to 'pods to flakes off the bottom.

GG

CapFusion
July 1st 04, 07:03 PM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mandarin333" >
> Newsgroups: rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:52 AM
> Subject: Clueless LFS.
>
>
> Just wondering, I would love to have a Mandarin in my FOWLR (corals to
come)
> 4 mos.old 37 Gal tank, with 45# LR but am worried about the little fella
> eating. So many different answers to the question from the LFS and
> literature. Is there any way to check or test if you have you have the (or
> buy the) right things in/for your tank? (perhaps you could really tell me
> what the right things are?) All the web pages I have looked at range from
> certain sponges to 'pods to flakes off the bottom.
>

Maybe this link will help you abit. Courtiesy and sponsor of Marc's
attribution to reef -
http://www.melevsreef.com/mandarin_care.html

CapFusion,...

AAA
July 4th 04, 08:38 PM
Keep in mind that the ignorant people make us look smart :)

"Mandarin333" > wrote in message
...
> In this wasteland for reefkeepers that is my little corner of the
world, I have
> the misfortune of having only two ****ty shops that sell sal****er.
By
> sal****er I mean strictly fish and the odd anemone or unfortunate
shrimp not
> coral. One is a chain which shall remain nameless and ever clueless.
They
> keep their water quality pretty good but selection typically rots.
The
> privately owned shop runs a multitank central system death trap with
loads of
> sludge --yes, sludge on the bottom of their tanks. These people are
good with
> FW but so totally f'n clueless about salt. Yesterday I got to see a
seven inch
> hippo for sale for $30! No, that isn't their regular prices. Must've
been
> from someone tearing down a tank or else it had someone's initials
carved on
> the side I couldn't see. My heart dropped for this fish and it
would've come
> home with me if I had room. The finer points I love about this place
are:
>
> 1. The live rock tank which is totally unlit and pretty much <dead
rock> except
> for the bacteria.
>
> 2. The slowly starving anemone population sitting under a single NO
flourescent
> tube.
>
> 3. The complete absence of some lettuce or other greens for any tang
> unfortunate enough to be trapped there.
>
> 4. 20 gal. tanks with 20 fish in them when there are like ten other
empty f'n
> tanks open.
>
> 5. They bought mandarins! What kind of idiocy was that? Sheer
idiocy. One
> is dead so take heart as its suffering has ended. The other poor
thing was
> still active but oozing slime. They've likely no idea how to feed it.
>
> 6. Did I mention the sludge?
>
> It's like you want to say something...actually you want to scream it
but you
> know they aren't likely to care enough to do anything about it because
> sal****er is pesky and takes some knowledge and that bitch of all
bitches
> -WORK.
>
> The best thing is...you might expect this kind of thing from a little
LFS but
> I've seen just as good from one of the big boys. I was in their
mammoth fish
> room replete with technology and skimmers the size of ancient Egyptian
> obelisks. I watched as a bull mandarin ripped the pectoral fins off
of another
> because they were too dumb to keep them seperate (even the
teenyboppers that
> run the LFS knew better). I witnessed the bloodsport of a small tank
stocked
> with nine royal gramas. There were at least two other examples as
equally
> idiotic from that trip which I thankfully can't recall since they just
**** me
> off. Maybe the "experts" they claim to have on staff oughtta visit
the
> fishroom once in a blue moon reef light's life.
>
> -M333

Mandarin333
July 5th 04, 06:38 AM
>Subject: Re: Clueless LFS.
>From: "AAA"
>Date: 7/4/04 3:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <U0ZFc.41624$6r1.39714@fed1read06>
>
>Keep in mind that the ignorant people make us look smart :)

Heh heh. :)

I may not know everything but it is a quantum leap over and above LFS staff.