Curing live rosk

[Juan Valdez]

Everyone seems to have their best method. When I used to work at an
aquarium store, we sometimes left the rock for hours in a box with no
water (just like it is shipped), the theory being that the nasty
worms, etc. would die off. Also, we sometimes gave the rock a
freshwater bath for a few hours. Presumably, this would kill the
nasties. And we always let it sit ni darkness so that the less
resiliant plant and animal matter would die off and not spike the
incoming tank with a huge bioload.

I am interested in hearing about your philosophy and experiences.

THANKS!!!
Juan

[Marc Levenson]

I would imagine that if that is the method your LFS employed, then they
were either selling it as UN-cured LR or they put it in a vat for 3
weeks before it was available to purchase as cured.

I prefer to keep my LR wet as much as possible. Sponges quickly die in
open air, and can create a cycle in a tank as they die one by one.

Marc


Juan Valdez wrote:

> Everyone seems to have their best method. When I used to work at an
> aquarium store, we sometimes left the rock for hours in a box with no
> water (just like it is shipped), the theory being that the nasty
> worms, etc. would die off. Also, we sometimes gave the rock a
> freshwater bath for a few hours. Presumably, this would kill the
> nasties. And we always let it sit ni darkness so that the less
> resiliant plant and animal matter would die off and not spike the
> incoming tank with a huge bioload.
>
> I am interested in hearing about your philosophy and experiences.
>
> THANKS!!!
> Juan
>

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[CapFusion]

"Juan Valdez" > wrote in message
...
> Everyone seems to have their best method. When I used to work at an
> aquarium store, we sometimes left the rock for hours in a box with no
> water (just like it is shipped), the theory being that the nasty
> worms, etc. would die off. Also, we sometimes gave the rock a
> freshwater bath for a few hours. Presumably, this would kill the
> nasties. And we always let it sit ni darkness so that the less
> resiliant plant and animal matter would die off and not spike the
> incoming tank with a huge bioload.
>
> I am interested in hearing about your philosophy and experiences.
>


Hummm... now I see or understand the logic from LFS regarding about the bad
smell of the LR. If LFS purchase it as LR they why try to destroy "L" in LR?
To get rid of worm or hitchhiker and other nasty, boil the rock. Boil the
rock should kill or cook the worm or any nasty / good critter.

CapFusion,...

[Juan Valdez]

Boil the live rock...? Umm....

No, the theory there is that keeping it wet (well, moist) would alow
the bristle worms to die but the other good stuff could weather the
storm. Although as I write this, it occurs to me that this only
replicates--or rather, adds to--the conditions during shipment.

So, my comments aside, how DO you people recommend the curing of LR?





On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:50:22 -0700, "CapFusion"
<CapeFussion...@hotmail.., com> wrote:

>
>"Juan Valdez" > wrote in message
...
>> Everyone seems to have their best method. When I used to work at an
>> aquarium store, we sometimes left the rock for hours in a box with no
>> water (just like it is shipped), the theory being that the nasty
>> worms, etc. would die off. Also, we sometimes gave the rock a
>> freshwater bath for a few hours. Presumably, this would kill the
>> nasties. And we always let it sit ni darkness so that the less
>> resiliant plant and animal matter would die off and not spike the
>> incoming tank with a huge bioload.
>>
>> I am interested in hearing about your philosophy and experiences.
>>
>
>
>Hummm... now I see or understand the logic from LFS regarding about the bad
>smell of the LR. If LFS purchase it as LR they why try to destroy "L" in LR?
>To get rid of worm or hitchhiker and other nasty, boil the rock. Boil the
>rock should kill or cook the worm or any nasty / good critter.
>
>CapFusion,...
>

[skozzy]

> No, the theory there is that keeping it wet (well, moist) would alow
> the bristle worms to die but the other good stuff could weather the
> storm. Although as I write this, it occurs to me that this only
> replicates--or rather, adds to--the conditions during shipment.
>
> So, my comments aside, how DO you people recommend the curing of LR?

I have seen only 2 ways but never tried either, one was a local fish shop
puts the rocks in a tank with no sand bed or base just glass and water,
turns off the lights for days to weeks, well never turns the lights on, they
sit there untill sold, the tank also has heaps of current flowing around.
The other washes the rocks with high pressure water to remove loose things
clean out holes in the rocks.

I can't wait to have the rocks in my tank so they just go straight in. I do
have a 2nd tank set-up now, and my new stuff goes in there for a few days or
a week and then it gets added to my main tank when I get time.

[Rod]

instead of worrying about killing stuff (nasties or not) I try to keep as much
alive as I can..( BTW bristle worms are our friends.) cure with as much water
volume as possible, as much water flow as possibe. Good protien skimming is a
definate plus, and lighting is a good idea too,, not many of the corals will
survive without light.

>So, my comments aside, how DO you people recommend the curing of LR?

[RicSeyler]

LOL
Why sell "live" rock then..........

Juan Valdez wrote:

>Also, we sometimes gave the rock a
>freshwater bath for a few hours. Presumably, this would kill the
>nasties. And we always let it sit ni darkness so that the less
>resiliant plant and animal matter would die off and not spike the
>incoming tank with a huge bioload.
>
>I am interested in hearing about your philosophy and experiences.
>
>THANKS!!!
>Juan
>
>
>

--
Ric Seyler

[CapFusion]

"Juan Valdez" > wrote in message
...
> Boil the live rock...? Umm....
>
> No, the theory there is that keeping it wet (well, moist) would alow
> the bristle worms to die but the other good stuff could weather the
> storm. Although as I write this, it occurs to me that this only
> replicates--or rather, adds to--the conditions during shipment.
>
> So, my comments aside, how DO you people recommend the curing of LR?
>

Well, according from the description on that LFS, seem like they just want
ROCK [not live rock]. Boiling is one of method of LR convert to bare / dead
rock. Whatever alive will be cook.

Bristleworm is good stuff. There no way to separate from good / bad stuff
from the rock. Either want everything that rock have or nothing at all. You
can try to miminized bad stuff is to have the rock in a HT/QT and see what
you can catch. During this time, curing the rock for die-off.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

"skozzy" > wrote in message
u...
>
> I have seen only 2 ways but never tried either, one was a local fish shop
> puts the rocks in a tank with no sand bed or base just glass and water,
> turns off the lights for days to weeks, well never turns the lights on,
they
> sit there untill sold, the tank also has heaps of current flowing around.
> The other washes the rocks with high pressure water to remove loose things
> clean out holes in the rocks.

This process is to sterilize the rock from any thing that maybe resident of
that rock. This LR will soon or will become DR.


> I can't wait to have the rocks in my tank so they just go straight in. I
do
> have a 2nd tank set-up now, and my new stuff goes in there for a few days
or
> a week and then it gets added to my main tank when I get time.


I do not recommend or suggest putting any LR straight to your main tank.
Having a HT/QT will be wise for anything that will be place in your main
tank.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

"RicSeyler" > wrote in message
. ..
> LOL
> Why sell "live" rock then..........
>

I assumed this LFS hoping to get some new reefer that do not have much
information.
Probably the new reefer see some coraline or algae that still hang on the
rock consider it as LR.


CapFusion,...

[RicSeyler]

CapFusion wrote:

>"RicSeyler" > wrote in message
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>
>
>>LOL
>>Why sell "live" rock then..........
>>
>>
>>
>
>I assumed this LFS hoping to get some new reefer that do not have much
>information.
>Probably the new reefer see some coraline or algae that still hang on the
>rock consider it as LR.
>
LOL
And if they kill and stuff the fish you wouldn't have to waste money on
food. hehehehe ;-)

>
>
>CapFusion,...
>
>
>
>

--
Ric Seyler

[CapFusion]

LOL
And if they kill and stuff the fish you wouldn't have to waste money on food. hehehehe ;-)

That is a good one. LOL!

CapFusion,...

[Juan Valdez]

>Bristleworm is good stuff. There no way to separate from good / bad stuff
>from the rock. Either want everything that rock have or nothing at all. You
>can try to miminized bad stuff is to have the rock in a HT/QT and see what
>you can catch. During this time, curing the rock for die-off.


Okay... you've convinced me. It's been a while since I was in the
business, and back then we thought that brissle worms were bad.

The point of holding the rock in the dark or giving a fresh water bath
was to kill the less reziliant stuff that was probably alreay dying.
You would be surprised at how hardy most of the other stuff is.
Anyway, then that stuff would die off quicker once we transferred the
rock into a HT, and thus expedite the curing process.

Thanks for your advice folks. Since I am starting a tank from
scratch, I will just cure it in there. Then I will boil it.

Thanks again,
Juan

[Juan Valdez]

> LOL
> And if they kill and stuff the fish you wouldn't have to waste money on food. hehehehe ;-)
>
>That is a good one. LOL!


Allright, allright...

I appreciate the advice, and also the gentle ribbing.

Gracias,
Juan

[Kevin M]

"Juan Valdez" > wrote in message
...
| Thanks for your advice folks. Since I am starting a tank from
| scratch, I will just cure it in there. Then I will boil it.


Boil it? Are you serious? If you do that, you might as well save yourself
some money and just dig up some rocks from your back yard for your tank. If
you boil your liverock, it will be completely DEAD rock. Besides, why bother
curing it if you're just gonna boil it!?

Kev

[Marc Levenson]

Why would you ever boil your rock? What are you worried is in there?

Marc


Juan Valdez wrote:


> Okay... you've convinced me. It's been a while since I was in the
> business, and back then we thought that brissle worms were bad.
>
> The point of holding the rock in the dark or giving a fresh water bath
> was to kill the less reziliant stuff that was probably alreay dying.
> You would be surprised at how hardy most of the other stuff is.
> Anyway, then that stuff would die off quicker once we transferred the
> rock into a HT, and thus expedite the curing process.
>
> Thanks for your advice folks. Since I am starting a tank from
> scratch, I will just cure it in there. Then I will boil it.
>
> Thanks again,
> Juan
>

--
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Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
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[CapFusion]

"Kevin M" > wrote in message
...
..
>
> Boil it? Are you serious? If you do that, you might as well save yourself
> some money and just dig up some rocks from your back yard for your tank.
If
> you boil your liverock, it will be completely DEAD rock. Besides, why
bother
> curing it if you're just gonna boil it!?
>

I guess he was taught by his master in his ex-LFS. Now become as instinct on
HowTo cure LR.
Cure first then boil if there any more live critter still survive.
My guess the word "Cure" mean to include exterminate any living critter.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> Why would you ever boil your rock? What are you worried is in there?
>
>
I do not think he truly understand what is "Curing" is or the purpose of
curing a LR.

CapFusion,...

[Rikko]

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:28:58 -0700, Juan Valdez > wrote:

>
>> LOL
>> And if they kill and stuff the fish you wouldn't have to waste money on food. hehehehe ;-)
>>
>>That is a good one. LOL!
>
>
>Allright, allright...
>
>I appreciate the advice, and also the gentle ribbing.
>
>Gracias,
>Juan

Another curing tip if you're really concerned about bristleworms (I
might be more worried about a hitchhiking mantis shrimp):
Raise the rock in the curing tank about an inch off the ground (I saw
eggcrate suggested with a little something under it to boost it up)
and as it cures, add a bit of smelly food like shrimp or clam to the
base of the tank. You should see any potential nasties climb out of
the rock to feed and you can either yank the rock out quickly to get
the pest out, or if nothing else find the rock they retreat to a
blast them out of it.