Bio Chem Zorb

[Phil Krasnostein]

All

Does anyone have experience using Bio-Chem Zorb as a means of removing
organics?

See http://www.aquariumpharm.com/aqfilter.html

I was told that it can eliminate the need for a skimmer.

Phil

[CapFusion]

"Phil Krasnostein" > wrote in message
...
> All
>
> Does anyone have experience using Bio-Chem Zorb as a means of removing
> organics?
>
> See http://www.aquariumpharm.com/aqfilter.html
>
> I was told that it can eliminate the need for a skimmer.

I not sure how it obsorb nutrient or heavy waste. Using "2
pharmaceutical-grade ion-exchange resins and high porosity activated carbon
in a convenient filter pouch" to remove nutrient? The only way it will
remove those nutrient or waste product is when it get trap and being
manually remove that pouch. Or during the time the pouch still in, it get
filter or trap debris as water pass through this pouch. How much will the
ION-exchange obsorb? With that small pouch, I do not think it will do much.
http://209.15.53.70/popup.asp?product_id=100

This is my brand new shiny ¼ cent of a penny for you.
I would continue with the skimmer method.

CapFusion,...

[John]

>The only way it will
>remove those nutrient or waste product is when it get trap and being
>manually remove that pouch.

The aquaria business isnt the only one that uses resin's to remove DOC:
http://www.westech-inc.com/miex.html

~John

[Phil Krasnostein]

"John" > wrote in message
...
> >The only way it will
> >remove those nutrient or waste product is when it get trap and being
> >manually remove that pouch.
>
> The aquaria business isnt the only one that uses resin's to remove DOC:
> http://www.westech-inc.com/miex.html
>
> ~John


John / Cap

Thanks for responses.

Since I started using this material (skimmer still running) 3 days ago, I
have noticed a huge change in the appearance of my tank. The tank is much
brighter and the water is crystal clear. The skimmer is till running, but
it appears to be skimming a bit less -- may be too early to tell.

CapFusion makes a good point re the "carrying capacity" of the resin. I
don't know what it is but have emailed to the manufacturer asking the
question -- I'll post the answer when I get it.

If we know the rate of generation of the DOCs ("protein"), and the rate of
removal of DOCs by live rock and the refugium, then we should be able to
work out what needs to be taken out by the skimmer and/or the resin. If the
manufacturer gives me the data, then we should be able to do the arithmetic.
Of course, I haven't got a clue at what rate the DOCs are generated, or the
rate of removal by the live rock and refugium. Does anyone have any data
that may help??

Phil

[Simon O'Keeffe]

Just use your algae growth rate as an indicator of the levels of DOC.
If the growth is slowing then your removing more then your adding.
Is there somewhere that explains how the product works.
Biochemzorb could be anything.
Thanks
Simon


Phil Krasnostein wrote:

>"John" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>>The only way it will
>>>remove those nutrient or waste product is when it get trap and being
>>>manually remove that pouch.
>>>
>>>
>>The aquaria business isnt the only one that uses resin's to remove DOC:
>>http://www.westech-inc.com/miex.html
>>
>>~John
>>
>>
>
>
>John / Cap
>
>Thanks for responses.
>
>Since I started using this material (skimmer still running) 3 days ago, I
>have noticed a huge change in the appearance of my tank. The tank is much
>brighter and the water is crystal clear. The skimmer is till running, but
>it appears to be skimming a bit less -- may be too early to tell.
>
>CapFusion makes a good point re the "carrying capacity" of the resin. I
>don't know what it is but have emailed to the manufacturer asking the
>question -- I'll post the answer when I get it.
>
>If we know the rate of generation of the DOCs ("protein"), and the rate of
>removal of DOCs by live rock and the refugium, then we should be able to
>work out what needs to be taken out by the skimmer and/or the resin. If the
>manufacturer gives me the data, then we should be able to do the arithmetic.
>Of course, I haven't got a clue at what rate the DOCs are generated, or the
>rate of removal by the live rock and refugium. Does anyone have any data
>that may help??
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>
>

[Phil Krasnostein]

Simon

If you do a Google search for "organic scavenger resins" you will find
several references. This is what is referred to (amongst other things) on
the BioChem Zorb technical sheet. They seem to be in regular use in
pharmaceutical synthesis and water treatment. It has really made a big
difference to the appearance of my tank and tonight I'll measure the N03. I
would still like to get a feel for how much carrying capacity the material
has -- i.e. how much N03 can a given quantity of resin hold?? Maybe Boomer
can help??

Phil


"Simon O'Keeffe" > wrote in message
...
> Just use your algae growth rate as an indicator of the levels of DOC.
> If the growth is slowing then your removing more then your adding.
> Is there somewhere that explains how the product works.
> Biochemzorb could be anything.
> Thanks
> Simon
>
>
> Phil Krasnostein wrote:
>
> >"John" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> >>>The only way it will
> >>>remove those nutrient or waste product is when it get trap and being
> >>>manually remove that pouch.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>The aquaria business isnt the only one that uses resin's to remove DOC:
> >>http://www.westech-inc.com/miex.html
> >>
> >>~John
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >John / Cap
> >
> >Thanks for responses.
> >
> >Since I started using this material (skimmer still running) 3 days ago, I
> >have noticed a huge change in the appearance of my tank. The tank is
much
> >brighter and the water is crystal clear. The skimmer is till running,
but
> >it appears to be skimming a bit less -- may be too early to tell.
> >
> >CapFusion makes a good point re the "carrying capacity" of the resin. I
> >don't know what it is but have emailed to the manufacturer asking the
> >question -- I'll post the answer when I get it.
> >
> >If we know the rate of generation of the DOCs ("protein"), and the rate
of
> >removal of DOCs by live rock and the refugium, then we should be able to
> >work out what needs to be taken out by the skimmer and/or the resin. If
the
> >manufacturer gives me the data, then we should be able to do the
arithmetic.
> >Of course, I haven't got a clue at what rate the DOCs are generated, or
the
> >rate of removal by the live rock and refugium. Does anyone have any data
> >that may help??
> >
> >Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Simon O'Keeffe]

Is this system anything like the Zeolite system?
I'll do the search, thanks for the tip.
Simon.

Phil Krasnostein wrote:

>Simon
>
>If you do a Google search for "organic scavenger resins" you will find
>several references. This is what is referred to (amongst other things) on
>the BioChem Zorb technical sheet. They seem to be in regular use in
>pharmaceutical synthesis and water treatment. It has really made a big
>difference to the appearance of my tank and tonight I'll measure the N03. I
>would still like to get a feel for how much carrying capacity the material
>has -- i.e. how much N03 can a given quantity of resin hold?? Maybe Boomer
>can help??
>
>Phil
>
>
>"Simon O'Keeffe" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>Just use your algae growth rate as an indicator of the levels of DOC.
>>If the growth is slowing then your removing more then your adding.
>>Is there somewhere that explains how the product works.
>>Biochemzorb could be anything.
>>Thanks
>>Simon
>>
>>
>>Phil Krasnostein wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"John" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>The only way it will
>>>>>remove those nutrient or waste product is when it get trap and being
>>>>>manually remove that pouch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>The aquaria business isnt the only one that uses resin's to remove DOC:
>>>>http://www.westech-inc.com/miex.html
>>>>
>>>>~John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>John / Cap
>>>
>>>Thanks for responses.
>>>
>>>Since I started using this material (skimmer still running) 3 days ago, I
>>>have noticed a huge change in the appearance of my tank. The tank is
>>>
>>>
>much
>
>
>>>brighter and the water is crystal clear. The skimmer is till running,
>>>
>>>
>but
>
>
>>>it appears to be skimming a bit less -- may be too early to tell.
>>>
>>>CapFusion makes a good point re the "carrying capacity" of the resin. I
>>>don't know what it is but have emailed to the manufacturer asking the
>>>question -- I'll post the answer when I get it.
>>>
>>>If we know the rate of generation of the DOCs ("protein"), and the rate
>>>
>>>
>of
>
>
>>>removal of DOCs by live rock and the refugium, then we should be able to
>>>work out what needs to be taken out by the skimmer and/or the resin. If
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>>manufacturer gives me the data, then we should be able to do the
>>>
>>>
>arithmetic.
>
>
>>>Of course, I haven't got a clue at what rate the DOCs are generated, or
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>>rate of removal by the live rock and refugium. Does anyone have any data
>>>that may help??
>>>
>>>Phil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
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