My new 280g Starfire tank

[Marc Levenson]

I'm about to upgrade my two little reefs into one giant
setup. If you want to follow along with the progress,
here's the link. You might bookmarc it. :)

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3198801#post3198801

Marc

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[Happy'Cam'per]

Is all that coke in the garage there to keep you awake for the next 14 days?
LOL. Very ambitious 2 week project. Good luck. Will follow along for sure ;)
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**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
> I'm about to upgrade my two little reefs into one giant
> setup. If you want to follow along with the progress,
> here's the link. You might bookmarc it. :)
>
> http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3198801#post3198801
>
> Marc
>
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>

[Tenkan]

> > I'm about to upgrade my two little reefs into one giant
> > setup. If you want to follow along with the progress,
> > here's the link. You might bookmarc it. :)

Great project.
Where I live, it's cheaper to buy and run a Ferrari than a reef tank like
that !

Roberto
(from Italy)

[Marc Levenson]

It is only there to give you a sense of scale. LOL

I might drink some of it. hehehe

Marc


Happy'Cam'per wrote:
> Is all that coke in the garage there to keep you awake for the next 14 days?
> LOL. Very ambitious 2 week project. Good luck. Will follow along for sure ;)
> --
> **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>I'm about to upgrade my two little reefs into one giant
>>setup. If you want to follow along with the progress,
>>here's the link. You might bookmarc it. :)
>>
>>http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3198801#post3198801
>>
>>Marc
>>
>>--
>>Personal Page:
>>http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
>>Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
>>Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>>
>
>
>

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[Marc Levenson]

Hi Roberto,

Now you've got me wishing I was in Italy. After all, you've
got Nutella there, and cheap Ferraris?!

Marc


Tenkan wrote:

>>>I'm about to upgrade my two little reefs into one giant
>>>setup. If you want to follow along with the progress,
>>>here's the link. You might bookmarc it. :)
>
>
> Great project.
> Where I live, it's cheaper to buy and run a Ferrari than a reef tank like
> that !
>
> Roberto
> (from Italy)
>
>

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[tenkan]

> Now you've got me wishing I was in Italy. After all, you've
> got Nutella there, and cheap Ferraris?!

Ok, here's the deal.
You carefully pack and send me your new tank and I'll send you one (or two)
Ferrari :-0
Ok ok, maybe it's better you send a frag and I do a can of Nutella

;-)

Roberto

[Charles Spitzer]

check your local code. if this room will have access to the garage, it's
against code to have an a/c vent, both for gas vapor and fire reasons. also,
the sheetrock has to be thicker than normal for garage walls if the other
side is the house (which it will be if you cut a hole in the wall for tank
viewing.

in some places you have to have the water heater on a stand, and sometimes
requires a permit to replace/move.

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
> I'm about to upgrade my two little reefs into one giant
> setup. If you want to follow along with the progress,
> here's the link. You might bookmarc it. :)
>
> http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3198801#post3198801
>
> Marc
>
> --
> Personal Page:
> http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>

[CapFusion]

"Tenkan" > wrote in message
...

>
> Great project.
> Where I live, it's cheaper to buy and run a Ferrari than a reef tank like
> that !
>
> Roberto
> (from Italy)
>

See... you have some good stuff and bad. Just like us here in US.
All we have here regarding car is Carvette. I do not mind getting a Ferrari
[even a lowest model].


CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

"Charles Spitzer" > wrote in message
...
> check your local code. if this room will have access to the garage, it's
> against code to have an a/c vent, both for gas vapor and fire reasons.
also,
> the sheetrock has to be thicker than normal for garage walls if the other
> side is the house (which it will be if you cut a hole in the wall for tank
> viewing.
>
> in some places you have to have the water heater on a stand, and sometimes
> requires a permit to replace/move.
>

Humm..... Water heater on a stand? I was wondering why? Mine is on a stand.
What the reason for this? Would not it be safe on the solid floor?

CapFusion,...

[Charles Spitzer]

"CapFusion" <CapeFussion...@hotmail.., com> wrote in message
...
>
> "Charles Spitzer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > check your local code. if this room will have access to the garage, it's
> > against code to have an a/c vent, both for gas vapor and fire reasons.
> also,
> > the sheetrock has to be thicker than normal for garage walls if the
other
> > side is the house (which it will be if you cut a hole in the wall for
tank
> > viewing.
> >
> > in some places you have to have the water heater on a stand, and
sometimes
> > requires a permit to replace/move.
> >
>
> Humm..... Water heater on a stand? I was wondering why? Mine is on a
stand.
> What the reason for this? Would not it be safe on the solid floor?
>
> CapFusion,...
>

well, i have a gas heater. if there's a gas leak, the gas sinks, and the
ignition source is inside the heater, causing a big booming sound. if the
heater is on a stand, it takes longer to go boom.

i don't know why they do this for an electric heater, but in a lot of
places, they do. also, if you put it in a closet, you have to have a
specific sized air intake installed in the door.

[RicSeyler]

I love my Vette!
It ain't no Ferrari, but it doesn't cost
as much to own as a Ferrari either :-)

CapFusion wrote:

>"Tenkan" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
>>Great project.
>>Where I live, it's cheaper to buy and run a Ferrari than a reef tank like
>>that !
>>
>>Roberto
>>(from Italy)
>>
>>
>>
>
>See... you have some good stuff and bad. Just like us here in US.
>All we have here regarding car is Carvette. I do not mind getting a Ferrari
>[even a lowest model].
>
>
>CapFusion,...
>
>
>
>

--
Ric Seyler

[RicSeyler]

Mine is on a stand because the Gulf of Mexico gets angry
and has a habit of washing across my island from time to time. LOL

That's why my house is on poles also. :-)

CapFusion wrote:

>"Charles Spitzer" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>check your local code. if this room will have access to the garage, it's
>>against code to have an a/c vent, both for gas vapor and fire reasons.
>>
>>
>also,
>
>
>>the sheetrock has to be thicker than normal for garage walls if the other
>>side is the house (which it will be if you cut a hole in the wall for tank
>>viewing.
>>
>>in some places you have to have the water heater on a stand, and sometimes
>>requires a permit to replace/move.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Humm..... Water heater on a stand? I was wondering why? Mine is on a stand.
>What the reason for this? Would not it be safe on the solid floor?
>
>CapFusion,...
>
>
>
>

--
Ric Seyler

[Marc Levenson]

Thanks Charles. That is interesting.

I do know that my electric waterheater does not need to be
on stand, that has been established by several people. I
just got it moved today:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3206296#post3206296

Regarding the new walls, I'm planning on using green
sheetrock to deal with humidity. I'll double check on
thickness. I won't need much for the outer side of the new
walls. 3 or 4 sheets.

What you are describing about the A/C vent is news to me.
When you consider that you walk through a doorway in my
garage to get into the a/c'd kitchen, it doesn't seem like
it would make much difference to put one in the "new" room.
There will be a door from the fish room into the garage,
but it will be weatherproofed to keep out the temperature
variances that occur.

Marc


Charles Spitzer wrote:

> check your local code. if this room will have access to the garage, it's
> against code to have an a/c vent, both for gas vapor and fire reasons. also,
> the sheetrock has to be thicker than normal for garage walls if the other
> side is the house (which it will be if you cut a hole in the wall for tank
> viewing.
>
> in some places you have to have the water heater on a stand, and sometimes
> requires a permit to replace/move.
>
> regards,
> charlie
> cave creek, az
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>I'm about to upgrade my two little reefs into one giant
>>setup. If you want to follow along with the progress,
>>here's the link. You might bookmarc it. :)
>>
>>http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3198801#post3198801
>>
>>Marc
>>
>>--
>>Personal Page:
>>http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
>>Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
>>Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>>
>
>
>

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[CapFusion]

"Charles Spitzer" > wrote in message
...

>
> well, i have a gas heater. if there's a gas leak, the gas sinks, and the
> ignition source is inside the heater, causing a big booming sound. if the
> heater is on a stand, it takes longer to go boom.
>
> i don't know why they do this for an electric heater, but in a lot of
> places, they do. also, if you put it in a closet, you have to have a
> specific sized air intake installed in the door.
>

I think I understand the logic of the stand. Interesting. I did not realize
gas sink(?). I guess it also the height matter too.
Ok... getting off-topic here.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
> Thanks Charles. That is interesting.
>
> I do know that my electric waterheater does not need to be
> on stand, that has been established by several people. I
> just got it moved today:
> http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3206296#post3206296
>
> Regarding the new walls, I'm planning on using green
> sheetrock to deal with humidity. I'll double check on
> thickness. I won't need much for the outer side of the new
> walls. 3 or 4 sheets.
>
> What you are describing about the A/C vent is news to me.
> When you consider that you walk through a doorway in my
> garage to get into the a/c'd kitchen, it doesn't seem like
> it would make much difference to put one in the "new" room.
> There will be a door from the fish room into the garage,
> but it will be weatherproofed to keep out the temperature
> variances that occur.
>

That alot of deposit / gunk coming out of that heater. Does the water heater
need to be drain yearly to prevent minium built-up inside?

All water heater in-place I see use copper. I assumed copper is the material
over PVC as Charles indicate due to temperature.

CapFusion,...

[Charles Spitzer]

"CapFusion" <CapeFussion...@hotmail.., com> wrote in message
...
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> m...
> > Thanks Charles. That is interesting.
> >
> > I do know that my electric waterheater does not need to be
> > on stand, that has been established by several people. I
> > just got it moved today:
> >
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3206296#post3206296
> >
> > Regarding the new walls, I'm planning on using green
> > sheetrock to deal with humidity. I'll double check on
> > thickness. I won't need much for the outer side of the new
> > walls. 3 or 4 sheets.
> >
> > What you are describing about the A/C vent is news to me.
> > When you consider that you walk through a doorway in my
> > garage to get into the a/c'd kitchen, it doesn't seem like
> > it would make much difference to put one in the "new" room.
> > There will be a door from the fish room into the garage,
> > but it will be weatherproofed to keep out the temperature
> > variances that occur.
> >
>
> That alot of deposit / gunk coming out of that heater. Does the water
heater
> need to be drain yearly to prevent minium built-up inside?

it depends upon your water. in some places, monthly.

an old water heater never drained will be some 20-100 lbs heavier than a new
one.

> All water heater in-place I see use copper. I assumed copper is the
material
> over PVC as Charles indicate due to temperature.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

[Charles Spitzer]

"kryppy" <kryppy@.> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:01:40 -0700, "Charles Spitzer"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >well, i have a gas heater. if there's a gas leak, the gas sinks, and the
> >ignition source is inside the heater, causing a big booming sound. if the
> >heater is on a stand, it takes longer to go boom.
>
>
> Seems as if it would also make a larger boom.
>

yeah, but you hope it goes out somewhere else (garage door, etc) before it
reaches the pilot light.

[Charles Spitzer]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
> Thanks Charles. That is interesting.
>
> I do know that my electric waterheater does not need to be
> on stand, that has been established by several people. I
> just got it moved today:
> http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3206296#post3206296
>
> Regarding the new walls, I'm planning on using green
> sheetrock to deal with humidity. I'll double check on
> thickness. I won't need much for the outer side of the new
> walls. 3 or 4 sheets.

in my area, you have to use 5/8" rather than 1/2" drywall on the garage
side of the wall for code. failure to use this may make it hard to resell
your house without tearing it out. you also have to have fire breaks in the
walls if it's over 8' high.

> What you are describing about the A/C vent is news to me.
> When you consider that you walk through a doorway in my
> garage to get into the a/c'd kitchen, it doesn't seem like
> it would make much difference to put one in the "new" room.
> There will be a door from the fish room into the garage,
> but it will be weatherproofed to keep out the temperature
> variances that occur.

you're supposed to have a self closing fire rated door between the garage
and living space. that's been in the code for a long time, although older
places are grandfathered in. if you ever change the door or door frame, you
have to bring it up to code if you want it inspected ok.

since your fish room will be considered part of the living space (increasing
your taxes btw), and it's new construction, you HAVE to have a self closing
fire rated door there.

you are doing this under a permit? they should be telling you all these
things. and they'll be inspecting each stage as it's completed.

if you don't have a permit, and there's a fire in your fishroom, it's likely
you won't be covered under your fire insurance.

> Marc
>
>
> Charles Spitzer wrote:
>
> > check your local code. if this room will have access to the garage, it's
> > against code to have an a/c vent, both for gas vapor and fire reasons.
also,
> > the sheetrock has to be thicker than normal for garage walls if the
other
> > side is the house (which it will be if you cut a hole in the wall for
tank
> > viewing.
> >
> > in some places you have to have the water heater on a stand, and
sometimes
> > requires a permit to replace/move.
> >
> > regards,
> > charlie
> > cave creek, az
> >
> > "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> > m...
> >
> >>I'm about to upgrade my two little reefs into one giant
> >>setup. If you want to follow along with the progress,
> >>here's the link. You might bookmarc it. :)
> >>
>
>>http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3198801#post3198801
> >>
> >>Marc
> >>
> >>--
> >>Personal Page:
> >>http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> >>Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> >>Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Personal Page:
> http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>

[Cindy]

Marc Levenson wrote:
> I'm about to upgrade my two little reefs into one giant
> setup. If you want to follow along with the progress,
> here's the link. You might bookmarc it. :)
>
> http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3198801#post3198801
>
> Marc

Wonderful! I just read the first 12 pages. :) Beautiful setup! And such
FAST work....

:)
Cindy

[Marc Levenson]

Thanks Cindy.

Marc


Cindy wrote:
> Marc Levenson wrote:
>
>>I'm about to upgrade my two little reefs into one giant
>>setup. If you want to follow along with the progress,
>>here's the link. You might bookmarc it. :)
>>
>>http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3198801#post3198801
>>
>>Marc
>
>
> Wonderful! I just read the first 12 pages. :) Beautiful setup! And such
> FAST work....
>
> :)
> Cindy
>
>

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