when is whitespot not whitespot

[Spindoctor]

Anyone got any ideas on a possible misidentification of whitespot here
- it's certainly confusing me - sorry for the long background, but
it's needed.

Background

On one of my tanks (120 litre) which is relatively peaceful my bronze
cory developed a distinct white spot just above an eye two weeks ago,
I started to treat with Waterlife Protozin and in fact thought I might
lose the cory, as it effectively hid and was inactive for a few days.
Since the tank has clown loaches in I halved the dosages as
recommended but what I forgot was that the juwel has a carbon filter
in it, so the medicine probably didn't work properly, as the cory
still had the white spot the following week at the end of the
treatment

I then removed the carbon and repeated the treatment, cory still has
whitespot,

This week I've setup a 30 litre isolation tank and put in full dosage
of the medicine for the cory, I also added a mollie which had got a
bit beaten up last week and a platy, which looked like it had a small
indistinct white spot on its tail last night, in the main tank I'm
repeated the treatment for the third time at half dosage, just to make
sure the water is clean and I am gradually increasing the temperature
and adding some aquarium salt.

HOWEVER, even thought the molly and platy in the isolation tank are
starting to look a lot better, the blasted cory still has a
distinctive white spot above his eye, which is leading me to believe
that he may not have white spot but something else. He is a lot more
lively that he was 10 days ago when this fist started.

Other factors - the tanks is overfiltered (I added a fluval 3 plus) to
the existing juwel filter but have got the flow bouncing again each
other at the back of the tank,so while there's watermovement its not
over the top, there are some plants and my two ottos and four small
clowns all seem pretty happy (I'm also pretty good at water changes)


Question

Does anyone have any ideas, I'm off on holiday in two weeks and I
would like to leave the fish in good condition.


Cheers Brian

[ruprecte]

"Spindoctor" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone got any ideas on a possible misidentification of whitespot here
> - it's certainly confusing me - sorry for the long background, but
> it's needed.
>
> Background
>
> On one of my tanks (120 litre) which is relatively peaceful my bronze
> cory developed a distinct white spot just above an eye two weeks ago,

.....there is a "whitespot" headed post just a little down the list here.
Just in case you cant see it D&M posted a link in response that points to
some information that identifies that some types of freshwater fish develop
these white spots during breeding season, not too sure if this applies to
your cory but it is definetely worth taking a look at (the information on
breeding season is located at the bottom of the page under "NOTE".
http://www.petsforum.com/novalek/kpd57.htm
While on the topic here, I have recentaly purchased another clown loach that
has developed a white bump close to his tail. Over the past couple days and
am currently having my first experience treating possible ich, Im not
positive that it is Ich;however, from what I understand with loaches
(clown's in particular) it is best to be pro-active in the treatment if Ich
is a possibility, here's my question: is it advisable to treat loaches with
Rid*Ich+ at recommended dose? I have been advised, by a trusted LFS, that
this product can be used at the recommended dose (for all scaleless fish)
but has anyone here had any experience with this product+full dose+lost
loaches? Cheers,-Brian
>




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[Racf]

"Spindoctor" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone got any ideas on a possible misidentification of whitespot here
> - it's certainly confusing me - sorry for the long background, but
> it's needed.
>
> Background
>
> On one of my tanks (120 litre) which is relatively peaceful my bronze
> cory developed a distinct white spot just above an eye two weeks ago,
> I started to treat with Waterlife Protozin and in fact thought I might
> lose the cory, as it effectively hid and was inactive for a few days.
> Since the tank has clown loaches in I halved the dosages as
> recommended but what I forgot was that the juwel has a carbon filter
> in it, so the medicine probably didn't work properly, as the cory
> still had the white spot the following week at the end of the
> treatment
>
> I then removed the carbon and repeated the treatment, cory still has
> whitespot,
>
> This week I've setup a 30 litre isolation tank and put in full dosage
> of the medicine for the cory, I also added a mollie which had got a
> bit beaten up last week and a platy, which looked like it had a small
> indistinct white spot on its tail last night, in the main tank I'm
> repeated the treatment for the third time at half dosage, just to make
> sure the water is clean and I am gradually increasing the temperature
> and adding some aquarium salt.
>
> HOWEVER, even thought the molly and platy in the isolation tank are
> starting to look a lot better, the blasted cory still has a
> distinctive white spot above his eye, which is leading me to believe
> that he may not have white spot but something else. He is a lot more
> lively that he was 10 days ago when this fist started.
>
> Other factors - the tanks is overfiltered (I added a fluval 3 plus) to
> the existing juwel filter but have got the flow bouncing again each
> other at the back of the tank,so while there's watermovement its not
> over the top, there are some plants and my two ottos and four small
> clowns all seem pretty happy (I'm also pretty good at water changes)
>
>
> Question
>
> Does anyone have any ideas, I'm off on holiday in two weeks and I
> would like to leave the fish in good condition.
>
>
> Cheers Brian

It does not sound like Ick (white spot). If it were mine I would not
treat beyond a bit of salt and let nature take its course. Other than
worms, heximita, and flukes I do not treat really.....its just
economics... A new cory is like $2.00 - $3.00 if it dies....

I will cross post this over to alt.aquaria and let Frank make an id and
recommendation. He is the expert IMO.....

[Peter Ashby]

In article >,
"ruprecte" > wrote:

> While on the topic here, I have recentaly purchased another clown loach that
> has developed a white bump close to his tail. Over the past couple days and
> am currently having my first experience treating possible ich, Im not
> positive that it is Ich

Ich can start as a single white spot but it spreads fast and if it is
ich, especially with loaches it will spread. One thing to remember if it
is ich is to increase the temperature while treating as this speeds up
the parsite life cycle, they are only vulnerable to the treatment during
one phase. Once you have seen ich it is hard to mistake again.

Peter

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[ruprecte]

Thanks Peter, I dont think that I have Ich, upon closer inspection this
"white bump" appears to be more of a bump inder the skin layer (possibly
from stress?) so I am fairly sure that it is not; however, I am contimuing
treatment (at half dosage) for the next couple days just to be sure. From
what I have read I understand Ich to be a white bump that will eventually
let loose of the fish in question, then fall to the bottom quickly releasing
essentially spores of more ich that will attach to all fish that they come
in contact with, and that is when it is best to treat. Just making sure I
have it straight basically.Salute, -Brian
"Peter Ashby" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "ruprecte" > wrote:
>
> > While on the topic here, I have recentaly purchased another clown loach
that
> > has developed a white bump close to his tail. Over the past couple days
and
> > am currently having my first experience treating possible ich, Im not
> > positive that it is Ich
>
> Ich can start as a single white spot but it spreads fast and if it is
> ich, especially with loaches it will spread. One thing to remember if it
> is ich is to increase the temperature while treating as this speeds up
> the parsite life cycle, they are only vulnerable to the treatment during
> one phase. Once you have seen ich it is hard to mistake again.
>
> Peter
>
> --
> Peter Ashby
> School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland
> To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded.
> Reverse the Spam and remove to email me.




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[Peter Ashby]

In article >,
"ruprecte" > wrote:

> Thanks Peter, I dont think that I have Ich, upon closer inspection this
> "white bump" appears to be more of a bump inder the skin layer (possibly
> from stress?) so I am fairly sure that it is not; however, I am contimuing
> treatment (at half dosage) for the next couple days just to be sure. From
> what I have read I understand Ich to be a white bump that will eventually
> let loose of the fish in question, then fall to the bottom quickly releasing
> essentially spores of more ich that will attach to all fish that they come
> in contact with, and that is when it is best to treat. Just making sure I
> have it straight basically.Salute, -Brian

Yup, thats the stuff. The spot is small and intensely white, it sits on
the skin not in it and is almost glossy, not matt like many fungus
diseaeses.

Peter

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Peter Ashby
School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland
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