algea eaters

[Linda]

can anyone give me some names of a few GOOD algea eaters? I have tried the
chinese alge eater they get fat and lazy.
tia
Linda

[Mike Edwardes]

In article >,
"Linda" > wrote:

> can anyone give me some names of a few GOOD algea eaters? I have tried the
> chinese alge eater they get fat and lazy.
> tia
> Linda

Ancistrus:
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Mike.
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[levittd]

"Mike Edwardes" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Linda" > wrote:
>
> > can anyone give me some names of a few GOOD algea eaters? I have tried
the
> > chinese alge eater they get fat and lazy.
> > tia
> > Linda
>
> Ancistrus:
> http://mike-edwardes.members.beeb.net/Ancistrus.html
>
> Mike.
> --
> Mike Edwardes Tropicals
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Also consider most types of pleco (be aware of how big they get), Siamese
algae eaters (SAE), or my personal favourite, an army of otocinclus. It's
not that the Chinese algae eaters get lazy, it's just that as they mature
they stop eating algae outright and prefer instead to eat the slime coats
off all your other fish.
levittd

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Otocinclus not a hardy fish
SAE Siamese algae eater much better than the chineese ones

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:01:55 GMT, "Linda" > wrote:

>can anyone give me some names of a few GOOD algea eaters? I have tried the
>chinese alge eater they get fat and lazy.
>tia
>Linda
>

[Dinky]

"AQUATIC-STORE.COM" <sales a@t aquatic-store.com> wrote in message
...
> Otocinclus not a hardy fish
> SAE Siamese algae eater much better than the chineese ones
>

I've found that Oto's *are* hardy, they just have a large initial die-off
for some reason. Perhaps they don't handle being netted and transported
well. When I buy perhaps a dozen, I usually lose 3-5 in the first month, and
the rest live to the normal lifespan.

[D&M]

Yeah, CAE is about the absolute last fish I'll ever get again. Great when
they're about 1-2", but when they get 3-5" look out, nothing but trouble.
Depending on your tank, my favorite is Otos, followed by a smaller breed
pleco (clown, rubbernose, silk, etc). I calibrate 1 Oto per 5 gallons.
Careful with tankmates as I have found they got no fear. I can reach in the
tank and touch them, even pick them up. If you have a fish with a big enough
mouth, they'll disappear. Hence, pim cats, columbian sharks, fish of that
type are not good mates.




"Linda" > wrote in message
...
> can anyone give me some names of a few GOOD algea eaters? I have tried the
> chinese alge eater they get fat and lazy.
> tia
> Linda
>
>

[Gail Futoran]

"Dinky" > wrote in message
...
>
> "AQUATIC-STORE.COM" <sales a@t aquatic-store.com> wrote in
message
> ...
> > Otocinclus not a hardy fish
> > SAE Siamese algae eater much better than the chineese
ones
> >
>
> I've found that Oto's *are* hardy, they just have a large
initial die-off
> for some reason. Perhaps they don't handle being netted
and transported
> well. When I buy perhaps a dozen, I usually lose 3-5 in
the first month, and
> the rest live to the normal lifespan.

Same here. Otos are doing fine in my tanks which have hard
water & high pH (7.6-ish). I do have live plants &
driftwood in 2 of the tanks but not the third, and so far
Otos seem quite happy. I lost a few at first, but the ones
that lived for several weeks are still with me months later.

Gail

[Johng]

I would also go for a flying fox or Silver flying Fox. Unless you have a
large tank only one as they do not like each other much.

Regards John
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[Tedd]

"AQUATIC-STORE.COM" <sales a@t aquatic-store.com> wrote in message
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> Otocinclus not a hardy fish

oto's are quit hardy when handled well and given plenty to eat to build their
fat store back up after transport.

> SAE Siamese algae eater much better than the chineese ones

SAE's (siamese algae eater) and CAE's (chinese algae eater) are basically the
same exact thing. (about like a chinese fighting fish and a siamese fighting
fish)

[Dennis Fox]

Tedd wrote:
[snip]
>>SAE Siamese algae eater much better than the chineese ones
>
>
> SAE's (siamese algae eater) and CAE's (chinese algae eater) are basically the
> same exact thing. (about like a chinese fighting fish and a siamese fighting
> fish)

No! Not even close!
CAE's are a sucker mouth fish; SAE's are not.
CAE's will stop eating algae when they mature; SAE's always eat algae.
CAE's can become aggressive as they mature; SAE's are always peaceful
communinity fish.

They don't even look alike:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32780.html

HTH,
Dennis

[Racf]

"Dennis Fox" > wrote in message
...
> Tedd wrote:
> [snip]
> >>SAE Siamese algae eater much better than the chineese ones
> >
> >
> > SAE's (siamese algae eater) and CAE's (chinese algae eater) are
basically the
> > same exact thing. (about like a chinese fighting fish and a siamese
fighting
> > fish)
>
> No! Not even close!
> CAE's are a sucker mouth fish; SAE's are not.
> CAE's will stop eating algae when they mature; SAE's always eat algae.
> CAE's can become aggressive as they mature; SAE's are always peaceful
> communinity fish.
>
> They don't even look alike:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32780.html
>
> HTH,
> Dennis
>

I think he knows that they are different fish. The impression I got
from his post was that both of these types of algae eaters get rather
militant when older. I personally know the CAE's do. The SAEs I seem
to have read that they are best kept alone when older..... do you know
if this is true or not? Do they get aggressive with their own kind or
similar fish at mature ages? Is this simply an issue with the
imposter's?

[Dennis Fox]

Racf wrote:
> "Dennis Fox" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Tedd wrote:
>>[snip]
>>
>>>>SAE Siamese algae eater much better than the chineese ones
>>>
>>>
>>>SAE's (siamese algae eater) and CAE's (chinese algae eater) are
>>
> basically the
>
>>>same exact thing. (about like a chinese fighting fish and a siamese
>>
> fighting
>
>>>fish)
>>
>>No! Not even close!
>>CAE's are a sucker mouth fish; SAE's are not.
>>CAE's will stop eating algae when they mature; SAE's always eat algae.
>>CAE's can become aggressive as they mature; SAE's are always peaceful
>>communinity fish.
>>
>>They don't even look alike:
>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32780.html
>>
>>HTH,
>>Dennis
>>
>
>
> I think he knows that they are different fish. The impression I got
> from his post was that both of these types of algae eaters get rather
> militant when older. I personally know the CAE's do. The SAEs I seem
> to have read that they are best kept alone when older..... do you know
> if this is true or not? Do they get aggressive with their own kind or
> similar fish at mature ages? Is this simply an issue with the
> imposter's?
>
>
According to what I can find, SAE simply are not aggressive.

[Tedd]

"Dennis Fox" > wrote in message
...

<snip>

> They don't even look alike:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32780.html
>
> HTH,
> Dennis
>

whoops! thanks dennis, my mistake, thanks for correcting. however, everything i
had read and heard about them from people here, the web, and the LFS classify
them as basically the same fish, just different names. i tried the link you
provided but did not see any information regarding SAE's or CAE's, do you have
any other references? plus as an additional question, (before i do any more
damage through misguided information) which ones are the flying foxes, CAE's or
SAE's? (or neither?)

tedd

[Bob Alston]

This link has good descriptions and drawings:

http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/Algae-Eaters/

--
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"Tedd" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dennis Fox" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> <snip>
>
> > They don't even look alike:
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32780.html
> >
> > HTH,
> > Dennis
> >
>
> whoops! thanks dennis, my mistake, thanks for correcting. however,
everything i
> had read and heard about them from people here, the web, and the LFS
classify
> them as basically the same fish, just different names. i tried the link
you
> provided but did not see any information regarding SAE's or CAE's, do you
have
> any other references? plus as an additional question, (before i do any
more
> damage through misguided information) which ones are the flying foxes,
CAE's or
> SAE's? (or neither?)
>
> tedd
>
>

[Dennis Fox]

Tedd wrote:
> "Dennis Fox" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> <snip>
>
>>They don't even look alike:
>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32780.html
>>
>>HTH,
>>Dennis
>>
>
>
> whoops! thanks dennis, my mistake, thanks for correcting. however, everything i
> had read and heard about them from people here, the web, and the LFS classify
> them as basically the same fish, just different names. i tried the link you
> provided but did not see any information regarding SAE's or CAE's, do you have
> any other references? plus as an additional question, (before i do any more
> damage through misguided information) which ones are the flying foxes, CAE's or
> SAE's? (or neither?)
>
> tedd
>
>
I am terribly sorry ... should have looked after hitting insert to make
sure I grabbed the correct link. Here is what I _meant_ to send.

http://www.bettastarz.com/sae.htm

I trust this is more useful. (Note to self: more caffeine!)

-Dennis

[Donald Kerns]

Tedd wrote:

>i tried the link you provided but did not see any information
> regarding SAE's or CAE's, do you have any other references?

Here's a couple good ones...

http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/cyprinid.html
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PlantedTksSubWebIndex/saesags.htm

Robyn's website also has some good examples.

plus as an
> additional question, (before i do any more damage through misguided
> information) which ones are the flying foxes, CAE's or SAE's? (or
> neither?)

Neither. People sometimes get SAE's mixed in with Flying Foxes.

-D
--
"When you've lost your ability to laugh, you've lost your ability to
think straight." -To Inherit the Wind

[Mean_Chlorine]

Dennis Fox > wrote in message >...

> According to what I can find, SAE simply are not aggressive.

Oh they're capable of aggression alright. One of their favourite
pastimes is fighting among themselves (aggressive displays & chasing -
everyone sees this but usually think they are "playing") and they did
not get on well with my Neolamprologus brevis shell dwellers (chased
them) or my white-cheeked gobies (chased them a LOT, and the SAE's
evicted the dominant male goby from his cave and ate the eggs he was
guarding).

However, unlike the evil CAE's, which killed several fish before I got
wise to them, the only permanent damage which came from the SAE's
constant chasing of other fish, was that one by one the smaller ones
jumped out of the tank, until finally I was left with only the last,
massive, SAE, who, in turn, died during the heatwave this summer.

So, the SAE's are no angels - a fellow aquarist described them
fittingly as "playful bullies" - but neither are they fish-eating
monsters like the CAE's are.

[Blue Gourami]

> flying fox is another name for a SAE (or CAE).

No, they are different species.

The Siamese algae eater (Crossocheilus siamensis) is sometimes called
the Siamese flying fox. In my experience, they are friendly towards
all fish, including their own kind.

The flying fox (Epalzeorhynchos kalopterus)is a solitary fish that
will chase others of its kind or any similar fish.

The Chinese algae eater (Gyrinocheilus aymonieri)becomes more
aggressive as it gets older.

I have four SAEs and one flying foxes in a 108-gallon tank, and the
flying fox chases the SAEs every time they come too close. The SAEs
are friendly with each other, they hang around together, and they
especially like to be close to each other when they settle down for
the night.

Blue Gourami