Flying Fox an SAE?

[D&M]

I finally got myself a couple australian flying foxes, I knew about them
earlier, thought they'd be a nice addition. They're healthy as can be,
growing like weeds, very beautiful and peacful.
Thought I'd dig a bit into their history, and the first few websites I came
across said the SAE and Flying Fox were both in the same, flying fox was
just another name for the SAE.
I've seen an SAE's weekly, and own flying foxes, I can tell the difference
in a couple seconds. Upon close inspection, a person can see they're totally
two different species, specifically the "sucker mouth" on the SAE. I just
can't comprehend how some people can build misinformed websites as such, and
they seem so knowledgable while explaining everything.
Ho hum.

[Dinky]

"D&M" > wrote in message
...
.. I just
> can't comprehend how some people can build misinformed websites as such,
and
> they seem so knowledgable while explaining everything.


Every good bull**** artist *sounds* like they know what they're talking
about, particularily when they're bull****ting.

[Liisa Sarakontu]

"D&M" > wrote in :

> I finally got myself a couple australian flying foxes,

"Australian flying fox"??? Which species are you talking about here?

> Thought I'd dig a bit into their history, and the first few websites I
> came across said the SAE and Flying Fox were both in the same, flying
> fox was just another name for the SAE.

The authors of those sites don't know enough about fish. SAE
(Crossocheilus siamensis) is more or less "one of the flying foxes", but it
is not THE Flying Fox aka Thai flying fox (Epalzeorhynchos kalopterus).

> I've seen an SAE's weekly, and own flying foxes, I can tell the
> difference in a couple seconds. Upon close inspection, a person can see
> they're totally two different species, specifically the "sucker mouth"
> on the SAE.

Uh huh, since when have SAEs had a sucker mouth? You are now talking about
Chinese algae eaters (Gyrinocheilus aymonieri) and not Siamese algae
eaters, which don't have any kind of sucker mouth. Please use correct names
when talking about fish. Sci names are better than common names in this
case, because CAE is often called "Siamese ae" and SAE is also called as
Siamese flying fox.

Liisa

[Graham Ramsay]

"D&M" wrote
> Upon close inspection, a person can see they're totally
> two different species, specifically the "sucker mouth" on the SAE

SAE (Crossocheilus siamensis) don't have sucker mouths.
This is one of mine.

http://www.ibrox.freeserve.co.uk/images/sae2.jpg

--
Graham Ramsay
You might be a Bright:
www.the-brights.net

[D&M]

Well, for conversational sake, I'm going to buy one of these SAE's, take a
digital photo of it, and post it. It's markings are identical to the flying
fox, but has a sucker mouth. Maybe it's a new breed of algae eater never
seen before.


"Graham Ramsay" > wrote in message
...
> "D&M" wrote
> > Upon close inspection, a person can see they're totally
> > two different species, specifically the "sucker mouth" on the SAE
>
> SAE (Crossocheilus siamensis) don't have sucker mouths.
> This is one of mine.
>
> http://www.ibrox.freeserve.co.uk/images/sae2.jpg
>
> --
> Graham Ramsay
> You might be a Bright:
> www.the-brights.net
>
>
>

[D&M]

> "Australian flying fox"??? Which species are you talking about here?

Got thailand I meant, been a long week.

> Uh huh, since when have SAEs had a sucker mouth?

I'll buy one on them and post a photo for conversation. Markings identical
to a flying fox, but with a sucker mouth. And it's not an oto, got those as
well so know what they look like. Maybe it's a new breed??

Cheers

[Tasslehoff]

Adult SAE's may appear to have suckermouths when viewed very close up or
with a magnifying glass, however they can't attach themselves to glass so to
speak like a suction cup and be comfortable just hanging onto the glass
which CAE's, plecos etc can do.

Warning: Unedited 700KB files. Heaven help the dialup user.
Pic of CAE at top and SAE on bottom.
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~tassburfoot/P0002006.jpg

Pic of CAE suspended on glass on bottom of pic, SAE's in background.
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~tassburfoot/P0002053.jpg

I have to replace these CAE's soon as one grazed on one of my angels and a
platy about a month ago(both have fully recovered about a week ago).

DC290 - Auto Settings at best

"D&M" > wrote in message
...
> Well, for conversational sake, I'm going to buy one of these SAE's, take a
> digital photo of it, and post it. It's markings are identical to the
flying
> fox, but has a sucker mouth. Maybe it's a new breed of algae eater never
> seen before.
>
>
> "Graham Ramsay" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "D&M" wrote
> > > Upon close inspection, a person can see they're totally
> > > two different species, specifically the "sucker mouth" on the SAE
> >
> > SAE (Crossocheilus siamensis) don't have sucker mouths.
> > This is one of mine.
> >
> > http://www.ibrox.freeserve.co.uk/images/sae2.jpg
> >
> > --
> > Graham Ramsay
> > You might be a Bright:
> > www.the-brights.net
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Tasslehoff]

Okey more user friendly sized pics.
cae top, sae bottom
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~tassburfoot/cae.jpg

cae attached to glass
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~tassburfoot/caesae.jpg

SAE
> > >
> > > SAE (Crossocheilus siamensis) don't have sucker mouths.
> > > This is one of mine.
> > >
> > > http://www.ibrox.freeserve.co.uk/images/sae2.jpg
> > >
> > > --
> > > Graham Ramsay
> > > You might be a Bright:
> > > www.the-brights.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Tasslehoff]

whew managed to get a pic of an sae nibbling at glass.
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~tassburfoot/saemouth.jpg
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~tassburfoot/saemouth2.jpg


"D&M" > wrote in message
...
> Well, for conversational sake, I'm going to buy one of these SAE's, take a
> digital photo of it, and post it. It's markings are identical to the
flying
> fox, but has a sucker mouth. Maybe it's a new breed of algae eater never
> seen before.
>
>
> "Graham Ramsay" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "D&M" wrote
> > > Upon close inspection, a person can see they're totally
> > > two different species, specifically the "sucker mouth" on the SAE
> >
> > SAE (Crossocheilus siamensis) don't have sucker mouths.
> > This is one of mine.
> >
> > http://www.ibrox.freeserve.co.uk/images/sae2.jpg
> >
> > --
> > Graham Ramsay
> > You might be a Bright:
> > www.the-brights.net
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Dave Engle]

"D&M" > wrote in message
...
> I'll buy one on them and post a photo for conversation. Markings
identical
> to a flying fox, but with a sucker mouth. And it's not an oto, got
those as
> well so know what they look like. Maybe it's a new breed??

Perhaps some of Liisa's older work will help you ID the fish you're
talking about:
http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/Algae-Eaters/
and
http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/cyprinid.html
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Engle

DFW, TX USA
Independent Associate
Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc.
http://www.prepaidlegal.com/go/dengle

[D&M]

Hi Dave,
I've already dropped the comparison over the SAE and suckermouth, I haven't
been able to get one of the specimens I was refering to, as my hypothesis
lead me to what the species was, and something I did not want in my tanks.
The fish in the LFS has the markings of an SAE, solid stripe with no spots
on the body, brown/grey in color. Solid stripe extends down to the tail
where it stops, but the tails is spotted. Mouth is downturned with a very
visable "sucker" that it uses to cling to glass and rocks.
The hypothesis that I've come up with is through either a genetic fluke or
some form of selective breeding, these specimens are in fact CAE's, only
missing the spots on the body. The possibilities that this is a new breed
was just to far of a concept from my research.
After all this research, I can now see why persons of various websites could
mistakingly post the SAE as a flying fox.

Cheers



"Dave Engle" > wrote in message
...
> "D&M" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I'll buy one on them and post a photo for conversation. Markings
> identical
> > to a flying fox, but with a sucker mouth. And it's not an oto, got
> those as
> > well so know what they look like. Maybe it's a new breed??
>
> Perhaps some of Liisa's older work will help you ID the fish you're
> talking about:
> http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/Algae-Eaters/
> and
> http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/cyprinid.html
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dave Engle
>
> DFW, TX USA
> Independent Associate
> Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc.
> http://www.prepaidlegal.com/go/dengle
>
>

[Liisa Sarakontu]

"D&M" > wrote in :

> The fish in the LFS has the markings of an SAE, solid
> stripe with no spots on the body, brown/grey in color. Solid stripe
> extends down to the tail where it stops, but the tails is spotted.
> Mouth is downturned with a very visable "sucker" that it uses to cling
> to glass and rocks.

You describe a very typical young CAE here. Young specimens have a vertical
stripe, slightly older ones have it broken into spots and adult CAEs have a
double row of non-distinct small, grey spots.

Liisa