Newbie -all readings high

[Dave Peck]

Greetings!

I have a 37 gal Oceanic that is 11 days old. Long story short, day one I
put in chlorine treated and stress coated water, 2 live plants, a tiny
snail, 2 small decorations and some decorative 'river' glass, and 3 smallish
tiger barbs that I had gotten at Wal-Mart and nearly suffocated when I put
them in a small Beta tank over night (the things we do for our kids :-)).
About 5 days later I did a 20% water change. Also, at some point about 9
days ago one of the tigers died. Five or six days ago I added a packet of
Bio-Spiro (sp?) from a LFS, but they weren't very friendly or informative.
Then 2 days later added 2 green barbs, 2 albino tiger barbs, 2 good sized
snails, another plant, and 2 more small decoration (from PetsMart). I
probably did not do a good job of choosing fish, but now we are attached,
especially to the 2 little Wal-Mart tigers. Yesterday I went to another
LFS, friendly and helpful, and I got a MagnaFloat and a test kit.

My water had been a bit cloudy but it cleared up yesterday. I was probably
feeding them too much. This evening I test the water and I was surprised to
find that it isn't in great shape. Maybe 11 days isn't enough time and if I
am doing the right things it will all work out. The fish look happy, even
if they are a bit mean to each other.

The PH is 7.75.
The Ammonia is around 1 ppm.
The nitrite is between 2 and 5 ppm.

What do you recommend? Also, any advice on when I can add fish and what
kinds would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dave Peck

[Len]

Dave Peck wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I have a 37 gal Oceanic that is 11 days old. Long story short, day one I
> put in chlorine treated and stress coated water, 2 live plants, a tiny
> snail, 2 small decorations and some decorative 'river' glass, and 3 smallish
> tiger barbs that I had gotten at Wal-Mart and nearly suffocated when I put
> them in a small Beta tank over night (the things we do for our kids :-)).
> About 5 days later I did a 20% water change. Also, at some point about 9
> days ago one of the tigers died. Five or six days ago I added a packet of
> Bio-Spiro (sp?) from a LFS, but they weren't very friendly or informative.
> Then 2 days later added 2 green barbs, 2 albino tiger barbs, 2 good sized
> snails, another plant, and 2 more small decoration (from PetsMart). I
> probably did not do a good job of choosing fish, but now we are attached,
> especially to the 2 little Wal-Mart tigers. Yesterday I went to another
> LFS, friendly and helpful, and I got a MagnaFloat and a test kit.
>
> My water had been a bit cloudy but it cleared up yesterday. I was probably
> feeding them too much. This evening I test the water and I was surprised to
> find that it isn't in great shape. Maybe 11 days isn't enough time and if I
> am doing the right things it will all work out. The fish look happy, even
> if they are a bit mean to each other.
>
> The PH is 7.75.
> The Ammonia is around 1 ppm.
> The nitrite is between 2 and 5 ppm.
>
> What do you recommend? Also, any advice on when I can add fish and what
> kinds would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Peck
>
>

I wouldn't add any more fish until your ammonia and nitrite levels are
at zero. It could two or three more weeks. If you add more fish now, you
risk overloading your biological filtration. This would result in a
spike in ammonia and/or nitrite levels. Be patient and keep testing your
water. When conditions are right, then you could slowly add to the
number of fish.

[Carlos]

my secret recipe that has work for me: stock the aquarium FULL of plants for
a month or so. keep doing water changes as usual, no nutrients for plants,
just water changes, 12 hrs lights, co2, then after a month add fish. it has
work for me over the years. stop adding fish.

what kind of fish depends on the biotope you are trying to recreat. if its
comunity maintain the stock level at one-two inches of fish per gallon of
water, ph should be 7. if you have tiger barbs i would not add anything
with long fins, they seem to like nipping at them. i would stock the
aquarium with a nice group of tiger barbs, and plants. remember good
lighting for the plants, 2-4 watts/gal.


take care and good luck.


"Len" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Dave Peck wrote:
> > Greetings!
> >
> > I have a 37 gal Oceanic that is 11 days old. Long story short, day one
I
> > put in chlorine treated and stress coated water, 2 live plants, a tiny
> > snail, 2 small decorations and some decorative 'river' glass, and 3
smallish
> > tiger barbs that I had gotten at Wal-Mart and nearly suffocated when I
put
> > them in a small Beta tank over night (the things we do for our kids
:-)).
> > About 5 days later I did a 20% water change. Also, at some point about
9
> > days ago one of the tigers died. Five or six days ago I added a packet
of
> > Bio-Spiro (sp?) from a LFS, but they weren't very friendly or
informative.
> > Then 2 days later added 2 green barbs, 2 albino tiger barbs, 2 good
sized
> > snails, another plant, and 2 more small decoration (from PetsMart). I
> > probably did not do a good job of choosing fish, but now we are
attached,
> > especially to the 2 little Wal-Mart tigers. Yesterday I went to another
> > LFS, friendly and helpful, and I got a MagnaFloat and a test kit.
> >
> > My water had been a bit cloudy but it cleared up yesterday. I was
probably
> > feeding them too much. This evening I test the water and I was
surprised to
> > find that it isn't in great shape. Maybe 11 days isn't enough time and
if I
> > am doing the right things it will all work out. The fish look happy,
even
> > if they are a bit mean to each other.
> >
> > The PH is 7.75.
> > The Ammonia is around 1 ppm.
> > The nitrite is between 2 and 5 ppm.
> >
> > What do you recommend? Also, any advice on when I can add fish and what
> > kinds would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave Peck
> >
> >
>
> I wouldn't add any more fish until your ammonia and nitrite levels are
> at zero. It could two or three more weeks. If you add more fish now, you
> risk overloading your biological filtration. This would result in a
> spike in ammonia and/or nitrite levels. Be patient and keep testing your
> water. When conditions are right, then you could slowly add to the
> number of fish.
>

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: Newbie -all readings high
>From: "Carlos"
>Date: 1/2/2004 1:59 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>my secret recipe that has work for me: stock the aquarium FULL of plants for
>a month or so. keep doing water changes as usual, no nutrients for plants,
>just water changes, 12 hrs lights, co2, then after a month add fish. it has
>work for me over the years. stop adding fish.
>
>what kind of fish depends on the biotope you are trying to recreat. if its
>comunity maintain the stock level at one-two inches of fish per gallon of
>water, ph should be 7. if you have tiger barbs i would not add anything
>with long fins, they seem to like nipping at them. i would stock the
>aquarium with a nice group of tiger barbs, and plants. remember good
>lighting for the plants, 2-4 watts/gal.
>
>
>take care and good luck.

So what was creating the ammonia for the nirtifying bacteria to colonize during
this month?

[NetMax]

"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: Newbie -all readings high
> >From: "Carlos"
> >Date: 1/2/2004 1:59 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >my secret recipe that has work for me: stock the aquarium FULL of
plants for
> >a month or so. keep doing water changes as usual, no nutrients for
plants,
> >just water changes, 12 hrs lights, co2, then after a month add fish.
it has
> >work for me over the years. stop adding fish.
> >
> >what kind of fish depends on the biotope you are trying to recreat.
if its
> >comunity maintain the stock level at one-two inches of fish per gallon
of
> >water, ph should be 7. if you have tiger barbs i would not add
anything
> >with long fins, they seem to like nipping at them. i would stock the
> >aquarium with a nice group of tiger barbs, and plants. remember good
> >lighting for the plants, 2-4 watts/gal.
> >
> >
> >take care and good luck.
>
> So what was creating the ammonia for the nirtifying bacteria to
colonize during
> this month?

I'd guess that with a mix of CO2 and strong light, the plants would grow
until exhausting their reserves, and their constraint would be
nitrogen-based ferts, so - any ammonia introduced would be soaked up in a
real hurry (sounds good in theory ;~). There isn't much in the way of
developing nitrifying bacteria, other than what was already attached
dormant to the leaves, feeding off of any plant matter which had decayed,
releasing ammonia back into the water column.

NetMax