Newbie with questions - Insight appreciated! :)

[Trina a.k.a milady]

Hi all,

Just a few questions, hopefully I will get more of a response here
than I did when asking about plants and lighting ;)

My tank is ready to stock (yay! but it's bittersweet cause I feel bad
returning the goldfish...) after almost 6 long weeks of cycling.

I have a 44gal., tall, 5 sided tank and would like to have a community
tank. I would really like to have Angels but I am worried about what
to put in with them. I would like also to have at least one school of
about 6 fish, but I'm thinking anything too small the Angels will eat.
Would Tetras be too small?

For bottom dwellers, I was thinking a Pleco, but am worried about it
getting too large for the tank, is there a species that does not get
extremely large? (don't want to end up with a foot long fish in
there..lol) Possibly a pair of clown loaches as well.

Some colorful species would be nice.

PH is at 7.5, which is the same as our tap water actually.. lol
Nitrites are at .03
Amonia, trace, barely detectable when tested.
GH is 120, moderately hard
KH is 80

Thinking about adding 1 or 2 large specimen plants, still on the fence
about that one though.

Thanks for taking the time to read this! Any input/advice much
appreciated :)

Trina :)
Yukon, Canada
44gal./tall/fresh

[Jim Morcombe]

Tetras should be fine with Angels.

Bristlenose is a great Pleco. Will keep the algae down, doesn't grow too
big and lives with almost any other fish.

Clown Loaches get pretty big.

Jim




Trina a.k.a milady <milady@connectionsdothereykandhereca> wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> Just a few questions, hopefully I will get more of a response here
> than I did when asking about plants and lighting ;)
>
> My tank is ready to stock (yay! but it's bittersweet cause I feel bad
> returning the goldfish...) after almost 6 long weeks of cycling.
>
> I have a 44gal., tall, 5 sided tank and would like to have a community
> tank. I would really like to have Angels but I am worried about what
> to put in with them. I would like also to have at least one school of
> about 6 fish, but I'm thinking anything too small the Angels will eat.
> Would Tetras be too small?
>
> For bottom dwellers, I was thinking a Pleco, but am worried about it
> getting too large for the tank, is there a species that does not get
> extremely large? (don't want to end up with a foot long fish in
> there..lol) Possibly a pair of clown loaches as well.
>
> Some colorful species would be nice.
>
> PH is at 7.5, which is the same as our tap water actually.. lol
> Nitrites are at .03
> Amonia, trace, barely detectable when tested.
> GH is 120, moderately hard
> KH is 80
>
> Thinking about adding 1 or 2 large specimen plants, still on the fence
> about that one though.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read this! Any input/advice much
> appreciated :)
>
> Trina :)
> Yukon, Canada
> 44gal./tall/fresh
>

[Sue]

"Trina a.k.a milady" <milady@connectionsdothereykandhereca> wrote in message
...

> My tank is ready to stock (yay! but it's bittersweet cause I feel bad
> returning the goldfish...) after almost 6 long weeks of cycling.

>
> PH is at 7.5, which is the same as our tap water actually.. lol
> Nitrites are at .03
> Amonia, trace, barely detectable when tested.
> GH is 120, moderately hard
> KH is 80

Not quite ready yet ;o(

If you still have any ammonia & nitrite your cycle is not yet complete.
What are your nitrates doing?


Angels are ok with any of the tetras that get bigger than neons. Neons = fat
angels.

Rummy noses, cardinals,phantoms, bleeding hearts, pristellas are usually
safe as are most fish at 1 1/2" plus.
For algae a Gold bristlenose would be striking- or for bottom dwellers
pehaps a trio of corys?

Amazon swords make excellent specimen plants but don't go buying the
expensive rarer varieties until you've played with the commoner types.
Angels look wonderfull swimming through Vallis & plants don't come much
easier;o)

Sue

[Dinky]

"Jim Morcombe" > wrote in message
...
> Tetras should be fine with Angels.
>


I disagree. Most tetras are a wonderful Angel snack. Expect to lose the
tetras. People forget that angels are cichlids, and prone to cichlid
behavior.

[Trina]

> Not quite ready yet ;o(
>
> If you still have any ammonia & nitrite your cycle is not yet complete.
> What are your nitrates doing?
>
> Sue

Thank you all for your helpful responses! What a wonderful resource
this ng is going to be :)

Sue - I was under the impression that if the nitrites were .03, the
levels were 'safe', at least that is what it said on the testing kit.
There seems to be mixed advice out there on this subject, some people
say that none of your levels should be zero, some say they should..
i'm sooo confuse-ed ;)
Nitrites are still dropping, at a rapid pace.
Last week they were at the highest end of the scale, this week at the
lowest and falling. If it continues at this rate, by this weekend, it
should be close to nil.
When I test the ammonia, it's really hard to tell if there is even any
yellow tint, if there is it's barely visible, even up against the
white paper. To be on the safe side I called it as trace.

Thanks for your response!
Trina

[Trina]

"Jim Morcombe" > wrote in message >...
> Tetras should be fine with Angels.
>
> Bristlenose is a great Pleco. Will keep the algae down, doesn't grow too
> big and lives with almost any other fish.
>
> Clown Loaches get pretty big.
>
> Jim

Hi Jim,

Ahh yes, I see that clown loaches get to be as long as 12" and dwarf
loaches 5", maybe I will go for a pair of dwarf if my lfs has any. (I
live in Yukon, Canada.. slim pickins up here as far as fish go).
Bristlenose look good, they get just the right size ;) (4-8")

Thanks!
Trina

[Trina]

"Dinky" > wrote in message . net>...
> "Jim Morcombe" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Tetras should be fine with Angels.
> >
>
>
> I disagree. Most tetras are a wonderful Angel snack. Expect to lose the
> tetras. People forget that angels are cichlids, and prone to cichlid
> behavior.


Hi Dinky,

Thank you for your response, Can you recommend a larger species of
schooling fish that the Angels will not harm?

Regards,
Trina

[coelacanth]

A really pretty schooling fish which would do well
in your water is the Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish. They
are too big to eat and very lively. The ones you see
in the store usually don't look like much, but they get
very attractive as they grow up:
http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/gpraecox.html

Clown loaches might be discouraging for a newbie
because the are so susceptible to Ich, a common
parasitic infection in tropical fish. They are harder to
treat than other fish, since they are more sensitive
to medications, being scaleless. Having said that,
nearly everyone on this NG who keeps them has
had an Ich outbreak and nursed their fish through it,
so you've got lots of expertise here.

On the other hand, don't be discouraged by the adult
size of clown loaches. It's a feature, not a bug!
They grow slowly once the reach 3-4" and take years
to get really big. They are especially useful in
persuading a spouse/SO to get a bigger tank every couple
of years "Look honey, I don't want to spend the money
either, but the clown loaches NEED a new tank."
Of course, the true master aquarist the leaves the old
tank set up and puts something else in it ;)

-coelacanth


"Trina" > wrote in message
om...
> "Jim Morcombe" > wrote in message
>...
> > Tetras should be fine with Angels.
> >
> > Bristlenose is a great Pleco. Will keep the algae down, doesn't grow
too
> > big and lives with almost any other fish.
> >
> > Clown Loaches get pretty big.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Ahh yes, I see that clown loaches get to be as long as 12" and dwarf
> loaches 5", maybe I will go for a pair of dwarf if my lfs has any. (I
> live in Yukon, Canada.. slim pickins up here as far as fish go).
> Bristlenose look good, they get just the right size ;) (4-8")
>
> Thanks!
> Trina

[Flash Wilson]

On 15 Jan 2004 11:30:13 -0800, Trina > wrote:
>Sue - I was under the impression that if the nitrites were .03, the
>levels were 'safe', at least that is what it said on the testing kit.
>There seems to be mixed advice out there on this subject, some people
>say that none of your levels should be zero, some say they should..
>i'm sooo confuse-ed ;)

You'd expect the levels of a cycled tank to be zero.

By "safe" it means "won't kill the fish if they are exposed to
it for some length of time" where "some length of time" is...
who knows, a week? a month? It's still not *great* - I would
wait until they fall to nil to call it cycled, for both ammonia
and nitrite. I don't mean close to nil, I mean nil. It *will*
happen.

Then in future once the tank is established if the nitrites or
ammonia are above nil, something has happened to mean that your
filter can't cope with the load; this might be filter clogging/
malfunction, overfeeding (I dropped a pot in once!), overloading
etc. The point is it should be nil all the time, unless you know
why it isn't and are addressing it. In your case, the tank's
still cycling so stick with it! Horrid being patient isn't it?

My 2d.

--
Flash Wilson
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bother. Must not drink tequila before midnight on a weeknight.

[luminos]

What is the accuracy of these color chart measurements?


"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On 15 Jan 2004 11:30:13 -0800, Trina > wrote:
> >Sue - I was under the impression that if the nitrites were .03, the
> >levels were 'safe', at least that is what it said on the testing kit.
> >There seems to be mixed advice out there on this subject, some people
> >say that none of your levels should be zero, some say they should..
> >i'm sooo confuse-ed ;)
>
> You'd expect the levels of a cycled tank to be zero.
>
> By "safe" it means "won't kill the fish if they are exposed to
> it for some length of time" where "some length of time" is...
> who knows, a week? a month? It's still not *great* - I would
> wait until they fall to nil to call it cycled, for both ammonia
> and nitrite. I don't mean close to nil, I mean nil. It *will*
> happen.
>
> Then in future once the tank is established if the nitrites or
> ammonia are above nil, something has happened to mean that your
> filter can't cope with the load; this might be filter clogging/
> malfunction, overfeeding (I dropped a pot in once!), overloading
> etc. The point is it should be nil all the time, unless you know
> why it isn't and are addressing it. In your case, the tank's
> still cycling so stick with it! Horrid being patient isn't it?
>
> My 2d.
>
> --
> Flash Wilson
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Bother. Must not drink tequila before midnight on a weeknight.

[Gizela]

When considering fish.....angelfish=cichlid=hungry....if the fish is too big
to fit in the cichlids mouth it won't get eaten...that said, a cichlid you
buy tomorrow will grow a lot bigger....and its mouth too....a tetra you buy
tomorrow will not dramatically increase in size.

I like platies....while they won't "school" like tetras do they are a very
attractive and hardy fish. That said, they do gove birth to live fish so you
may end up with too many fish on your hands (they give birth every 28 days).

Try maybe something like a pencilfish, they belong to the tetra family and
are slightly bigger....big enough not to be eaten by an angel

Goodluck

Angela

"Trina a.k.a milady" <milady@connectionsdothereykandhereca> wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> Just a few questions, hopefully I will get more of a response here
> than I did when asking about plants and lighting ;)
>
> My tank is ready to stock (yay! but it's bittersweet cause I feel bad
> returning the goldfish...) after almost 6 long weeks of cycling.
>
> I have a 44gal., tall, 5 sided tank and would like to have a community
> tank. I would really like to have Angels but I am worried about what
> to put in with them. I would like also to have at least one school of
> about 6 fish, but I'm thinking anything too small the Angels will eat.
> Would Tetras be too small?
>
> For bottom dwellers, I was thinking a Pleco, but am worried about it
> getting too large for the tank, is there a species that does not get
> extremely large? (don't want to end up with a foot long fish in
> there..lol) Possibly a pair of clown loaches as well.
>
> Some colorful species would be nice.
>
> PH is at 7.5, which is the same as our tap water actually.. lol
> Nitrites are at .03
> Amonia, trace, barely detectable when tested.
> GH is 120, moderately hard
> KH is 80
>
> Thinking about adding 1 or 2 large specimen plants, still on the fence
> about that one though.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read this! Any input/advice much
> appreciated :)
>
> Trina :)
> Yukon, Canada
> 44gal./tall/fresh
>

[Tedd Jacobs]

"Gizela" wrote...

> I like platies....while they won't "school" like tetras do they are a very
> attractive and hardy fish. That said, they do gove birth to live fish so you
> may end up with too many fish on your hands (they give birth every 28 days).

not if you have them with angels. you end up with angels that wont eat what you
give them for a few days (or weeks) because they got spoiled by the feast
provided them by platies and they'll hold out for the 'good stuff' (live food).
i found this one out the hard way and it's why i dont keep my platies with my
angels anymore. JMHO, YMMV.

tedd.

[NetMax]

"Trina a.k.a milady" <milady@connectionsdothereykandhereca> wrote in
message ...
> Hi all,
>
> Just a few questions, hopefully I will get more of a response here
> than I did when asking about plants and lighting ;)
>
> My tank is ready to stock (yay! but it's bittersweet cause I feel bad
> returning the goldfish...) after almost 6 long weeks of cycling.
>
> I have a 44gal., tall, 5 sided tank and would like to have a community
> tank. I would really like to have Angels but I am worried about what
> to put in with them. I would like also to have at least one school of
> about 6 fish, but I'm thinking anything too small the Angels will eat.
> Would Tetras be too small?

Angelfish are a very nice choice for a 55g tall tank. Tetra include
small & slow fish (ie:Neon tetra) to larger more active fish (ie: Congo
tetra). The first would probably become food items, while the latter
would be too large for such a tall tank. Fortunately, there are many
tetra sizes inbetween. Soemthing like Pristellas or Rummynose might make
a nice mix with Angels. Keep in mind that Angelfish are a special type
of carnivore called a piscivore (specialty is eating fish). They use
their steulth, slow speed and narrow profile to sneak up behind
unsuspecting meals. Well-fed Angels or if they have been raised with
small fish, will be less prone to follow this instinct, but it varies by
individuals.

> For bottom dwellers, I was thinking a Pleco, but am worried about it
> getting too large for the tank, is there a species that does not get
> extremely large? (don't want to end up with a foot long fish in
> there..lol) Possibly a pair of clown loaches as well.

Butterfly pleco, Hillstream loaches are neat little fish. A collection
of loaches might be interesting (Zebra, Chain, Yoyo etc). A family of
Corys would work as well. The Bristlenose is a favorite too.

> Some colorful species would be nice.
>
> PH is at 7.5, which is the same as our tap water actually.. lol
> Nitrites are at .03
> Amonia, trace, barely detectable when tested.
> GH is 120, moderately hard
> KH is 80

I keep all my Angels in 7.6pH (doing very well) so they are adaptable. I
do buy from a breeder whose water is the same as mine. Soft-water Angels
might not adapt as easily.

> Thinking about adding 1 or 2 large specimen plants, still on the fence
> about that one though.

Go for it. Your fish selections biotope nicely with the plants, and tall
tanks look so much better with Pennywort coming up the back, some kind of
a large Echinodorous near the middle, and some ground cover like Pygmy
chains, Sagitaria or Crypts, under some driftwood (with some Java moss or
Riccia growing on it). Loaches (Botia) are a little hard on delicately
planted tanks (they are just so active, beware).

NetMax

> Thanks for taking the time to read this! Any input/advice much
> appreciated :)
>
> Trina :)
> Yukon, Canada
> 44gal./tall/fresh
>

[Trina]

> You'd expect the levels of a cycled tank to be zero.
>
> By "safe" it means "won't kill the fish if they are exposed to
> it for some length of time" where "some length of time" is...
> who knows, a week? a month? It's still not *great* - I would
> wait until they fall to nil to call it cycled, for both ammonia
> and nitrite. I don't mean close to nil, I mean nil. It *will*
> happen.
>
> Then in future once the tank is established if the nitrites or
> ammonia are above nil, something has happened to mean that your
> filter can't cope with the load; this might be filter clogging/
> malfunction, overfeeding (I dropped a pot in once!), overloading
> etc. The point is it should be nil all the time, unless you know
> why it isn't and are addressing it. In your case, the tank's
> still cycling so stick with it! Horrid being patient isn't it?
>
> My 2d.


Hi Flash and thanks for the response :)

I guess I continue to hurry up and wait!
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Something is wrong with my Agent newsreader.. I keep getting this when
I try to post:
Error 441,
Sorry! An online error occurred
When: Posting Usenet message "Re: Newbie..."
Reason: Error reported by server: 441 Posting failed. ("From" header
not in syntax"

Looks like something to do with my address?? I'm having to post
through Google which I have to do from work...(shh!)Effective, but a
pain...

[Dick]

What do you do with all the fry if you separate the fish that will eat
them? All of my tanks are brimming with young mollies, and platies.
I have tried to find homes, but in my small town there are not too
many people with fish and if they do either their tanks are full or
they have pretatory fish. I don't want to be a live food provider.

I have about 50 mollies most of which came from one girl that I put
into a quarantine tank and next morning found she had popped the
bunch. As they grew big enough I dispersed them into several
community tank. Most survived.

So, what do you do with all of your young fish if no natural balance?


On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:19:43 -0700, "Tedd Jacobs"
> wrote:

>
>"Gizela" wrote...
>
>> I like platies....while they won't "school" like tetras do they are a very
>> attractive and hardy fish. That said, they do gove birth to live fish so you
>> may end up with too many fish on your hands (they give birth every 28 days).
>
>not if you have them with angels. you end up with angels that wont eat what you
>give them for a few days (or weeks) because they got spoiled by the feast
>provided them by platies and they'll hold out for the 'good stuff' (live food).
>i found this one out the hard way and it's why i dont keep my platies with my
>angels anymore. JMHO, YMMV.
>
>tedd.
>

[Tedd Jacobs]

"Dick" wrote...

> What do you do with all the fry if you separate the fish that will eat
> them? All of my tanks are brimming with young mollies, and platies.
> I have tried to find homes, but in my small town there are not too
> many people with fish and if they do either their tanks are full or
> they have pretatory fish. I don't want to be a live food provider.
>
> I have about 50 mollies most of which came from one girl that I put
> into a quarantine tank and next morning found she had popped the
> bunch. As they grew big enough I dispersed them into several
> community tank. Most survived.
>
> So, what do you do with all of your young fish if no natural balance?

fortunately i've only got one pair now. i'll give the fry to the LFS as small
feeders or i'll feed them to the angels and the tiger barbs, of course the
parents will eat them too if given the chance.

something i should have also pointed out; keeping the platies with the angels
was not good for me because when they gave birth the angels would eat everything
within a few hours. whereas now that i keep them separate i can control the rate
at which they get live food and spread what they would eat in a few hours out
over a few weeks, this way they'll stay interested in their normal foods and not
get (as) picky.

p.s. my wifes ADF's will eat them also, and they're actually more fun to watch
than the fish when stalking their food.

[Trina]

Thank you all for your informative responses.

I think I will go with (once levels are at 0!) 2 Angels, some
rummynose, a bristlenose and small species (dwarf perhaps) of loach.
Do you think gourami would do well with angels? I really like the
dwarf gourami w/ red and blue, a pair would be nice :)

Cheers,
Trina

[T]

If you want tetra's you could try Silver Dollars.. These are a favorite of
mine, and generally don't get much larger than a full grown Angel.. Mild
manored fish, and way to large for an "Angel" to eat.. Although you might
not have many plants left in the tank as SD's are vegatarians rather than
fish eaters ( although I would not doubt though if there were rather small
fish the SD'd would probably eat them to..). If I had the means, I would be
thinking about red hook SD's myself..

Tim..


"Trina" > wrote in message
om...
> Thank you all for your informative responses.
>
> I think I will go with (once levels are at 0!) 2 Angels, some
> rummynose, a bristlenose and small species (dwarf perhaps) of loach.
> Do you think gourami would do well with angels? I really like the
> dwarf gourami w/ red and blue, a pair would be nice :)
>
> Cheers,
> Trina

[NetMax]

I find the SDs never sit still, so I think that they would be too active
to have as tank-mates for Angels in a tall 55g hex (active swimmers do
better with long tanks). There is also the drawback to the vegetation as
Tim mentioned, (they are lawn mowers ;~). Gouramis & Angels sometimes
works well (depending on the type of gourami of course). They move at a
similar pace, and don't crowd each other too much (Gourami higher up in
the tank, Angels lower, but still mixing). Angelfish are cichlids, so
expect some territorial behaviour. Gouramis can be worse in this regard
as well. I would avoid the Gold Gourami, the Opalines are better but
still too large and pushy. I get mixed results with Dwarf gouramis, but
in a 55g, your chances are very good (the odd male makes a nuisance of
himself). I've had very good results with Pearl or Lace gouramis. They
are quite docile, grow relatively large, and are attractive (in a regal
way). I'm raising some Silver (Moonlight) gouramis and they also seem
very well mannered. Any of the smaller gouramis (Liquorice, Croaking,
Pygmy etc) would do well if the Angels grew up with them, and there was
plenty of shelters (ie: Pennywort, Frogbit, Hornwort, Cabomba etc).

NetMax

"T" > wrote in message
link.net...
> If you want tetra's you could try Silver Dollars.. These are a favorite
of
> mine, and generally don't get much larger than a full grown Angel..
Mild
> manored fish, and way to large for an "Angel" to eat.. Although you
might
> not have many plants left in the tank as SD's are vegatarians rather
than
> fish eaters ( although I would not doubt though if there were rather
small
> fish the SD'd would probably eat them to..). If I had the means, I
would be
> thinking about red hook SD's myself..
>
> Tim..
>
>
> "Trina" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Thank you all for your informative responses.
> >
> > I think I will go with (once levels are at 0!) 2 Angels, some
> > rummynose, a bristlenose and small species (dwarf perhaps) of loach.
> > Do you think gourami would do well with angels? I really like the
> > dwarf gourami w/ red and blue, a pair would be nice :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Trina
>
>

[Sue]

I've had silver dollars grow over eight inches + tail!
Sue
"T" > wrote in message
link.net...
> If you want tetra's you could try Silver Dollars.. These are a favorite of
> mine, and generally don't get much larger than a full grown Angel..

[Trina]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:20:52 +0000 (UTC), (Flash
Wilson) wrote:

>On 15 Jan 2004 11:30:13 -0800, Trina > wrote:
>>Sue - I was under the impression that if the nitrites were .03, the
>>levels were 'safe', at least that is what it said on the testing kit.
>>There seems to be mixed advice out there on this subject, some people
>>say that none of your levels should be zero, some say they should..
>>i'm sooo confuse-ed ;)
>
>You'd expect the levels of a cycled tank to be zero.
>
>By "safe" it means "won't kill the fish if they are exposed to
>it for some length of time" where "some length of time" is...
>who knows, a week? a month? It's still not *great* - I would
>wait until they fall to nil to call it cycled, for both ammonia
>and nitrite. I don't mean close to nil, I mean nil. It *will*
>happen.
>
>Then in future once the tank is established if the nitrites or
>ammonia are above nil, something has happened to mean that your
>filter can't cope with the load; this might be filter clogging/
>malfunction, overfeeding (I dropped a pot in once!), overloading
>etc. The point is it should be nil all the time, unless you know
>why it isn't and are addressing it. In your case, the tank's
>still cycling so stick with it! Horrid being patient isn't it?
>
>My 2d.

Thanks for the info Flash! *Sigh*.. guess I'll hurry up and wait some
more :)
Trina :)
Yukon, Canada
44gal./tall/fresh

[Trina]

You're right, they are very pretty :)

I have decided to give the Clown Loaches serious contemplation. I
don't plan on throwing all my fish in there at once, so I have oodles
of time to decide :)

I already want a bigger tank, but I don't think I can talk the DH into
going for one just quite yet! ;)

Trina

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:15:04 GMT, "coelacanth" >
wrote:

>A really pretty schooling fish which would do well
>in your water is the Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish. They
>are too big to eat and very lively. The ones you see
>in the store usually don't look like much, but they get
>very attractive as they grow up:
>http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/gpraecox.html
>
>Clown loaches might be discouraging for a newbie
>because the are so susceptible to Ich, a common
>parasitic infection in tropical fish. They are harder to
>treat than other fish, since they are more sensitive
>to medications, being scaleless. Having said that,
>nearly everyone on this NG who keeps them has
>had an Ich outbreak and nursed their fish through it,
>so you've got lots of expertise here.
>
>On the other hand, don't be discouraged by the adult
>size of clown loaches. It's a feature, not a bug!
>They grow slowly once the reach 3-4" and take years
>to get really big. They are especially useful in
>persuading a spouse/SO to get a bigger tank every couple
>of years "Look honey, I don't want to spend the money
>either, but the clown loaches NEED a new tank."
>Of course, the true master aquarist the leaves the old
>tank set up and puts something else in it ;)
>
>-coelacanth
>
>
>"Trina" > wrote in message
om...
>> "Jim Morcombe" > wrote in message
>...
>> > Tetras should be fine with Angels.
>> >
>> > Bristlenose is a great Pleco. Will keep the algae down, doesn't grow
>too
>> > big and lives with almost any other fish.
>> >
>> > Clown Loaches get pretty big.
>> >
>> > Jim
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Ahh yes, I see that clown loaches get to be as long as 12" and dwarf
>> loaches 5", maybe I will go for a pair of dwarf if my lfs has any. (I
>> live in Yukon, Canada.. slim pickins up here as far as fish go).
>> Bristlenose look good, they get just the right size ;) (4-8")
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Trina
>

Trina :)
Yukon, Canada
44gal./tall/fresh

[Trina]

argh! can't post! error 441.. BAH!

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:15:04 GMT, "coelacanth" >
wrote:

>A really pretty schooling fish which would do well
>in your water is the Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish. They
>are too big to eat and very lively. The ones you see
>in the store usually don't look like much, but they get
>very attractive as they grow up:
>http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/gpraecox.html
>
>Clown loaches might be discouraging for a newbie
>because the are so susceptible to Ich, a common
>parasitic infection in tropical fish. They are harder to
>treat than other fish, since they are more sensitive
>to medications, being scaleless. Having said that,
>nearly everyone on this NG who keeps them has
>had an Ich outbreak and nursed their fish through it,
>so you've got lots of expertise here.
>
>On the other hand, don't be discouraged by the adult
>size of clown loaches. It's a feature, not a bug!
>They grow slowly once the reach 3-4" and take years
>to get really big. They are especially useful in
>persuading a spouse/SO to get a bigger tank every couple
>of years "Look honey, I don't want to spend the money
>either, but the clown loaches NEED a new tank."
>Of course, the true master aquarist the leaves the old
>tank set up and puts something else in it ;)
>
>-coelacanth
>
>
>"Trina" > wrote in message
om...
>> "Jim Morcombe" > wrote in message
>...
>> > Tetras should be fine with Angels.
>> >
>> > Bristlenose is a great Pleco. Will keep the algae down, doesn't grow
>too
>> > big and lives with almost any other fish.
>> >
>> > Clown Loaches get pretty big.
>> >
>> > Jim
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Ahh yes, I see that clown loaches get to be as long as 12" and dwarf
>> loaches 5", maybe I will go for a pair of dwarf if my lfs has any. (I
>> live in Yukon, Canada.. slim pickins up here as far as fish go).
>> Bristlenose look good, they get just the right size ;) (4-8")
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Trina
>

Trina :)
Yukon, Canada
44gal./tall/fresh

[Trina]

test

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:15:04 GMT, "coelacanth" >
wrote:

>A really pretty schooling fish which would do well
>in your water is the Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish. They
>are too big to eat and very lively. The ones you see
>in the store usually don't look like much, but they get
>very attractive as they grow up:
>http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/gpraecox.html
>
>Clown loaches might be discouraging for a newbie
>because the are so susceptible to Ich, a common
>parasitic infection in tropical fish. They are harder to
>treat than other fish, since they are more sensitive
>to medications, being scaleless. Having said that,
>nearly everyone on this NG who keeps them has
>had an Ich outbreak and nursed their fish through it,
>so you've got lots of expertise here.
>
>On the other hand, don't be discouraged by the adult
>size of clown loaches. It's a feature, not a bug!
>They grow slowly once the reach 3-4" and take years
>to get really big. They are especially useful in
>persuading a spouse/SO to get a bigger tank every couple
>of years "Look honey, I don't want to spend the money
>either, but the clown loaches NEED a new tank."
>Of course, the true master aquarist the leaves the old
>tank set up and puts something else in it ;)
>
>-coelacanth
>
>
>"Trina" > wrote in message
om...
>> "Jim Morcombe" > wrote in message
>...
>> > Tetras should be fine with Angels.
>> >
>> > Bristlenose is a great Pleco. Will keep the algae down, doesn't grow
>too
>> > big and lives with almost any other fish.
>> >
>> > Clown Loaches get pretty big.
>> >
>> > Jim
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Ahh yes, I see that clown loaches get to be as long as 12" and dwarf
>> loaches 5", maybe I will go for a pair of dwarf if my lfs has any. (I
>> live in Yukon, Canada.. slim pickins up here as far as fish go).
>> Bristlenose look good, they get just the right size ;) (4-8")
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Trina
>

Trina :)
Yukon, Canada
44gal./tall/fresh