adequate filtration - 120gal planted community

[Bubbles Jackson]

hi all,

just got a 120 gal and it's going to be a planted community tank. i've
not decided exactly what or how many fish are going to wind up in it,
but if keep in mind the 1-inch/gallon rule, and i stay somewhat under
the maximum, what level of filtration would be easy-to-setup/maintain
and is adequate?

the LFS recommended an emperor 400, but marineland's own web site says
it's for tanks up to 80 gallons, -or- a tetratec 500 (with heater
module), but this web site:

http://aquariumpros.com/aquaprostore/prods/TET26032.shtml

....says it's for tanks up to 100 gallons.

is a single one of these with at least monthly water changes likely to
be adequate?

i have used bio-wheels in the past, but i'm not terribly familiar with
cannisters or wet-dry's.

thoughts?

thanks,
-bj

[Dinky]

"Bubbles Jackson" > wrote in message
...
> hi all,
>
> just got a 120 gal and it's going to be a planted community tank. i've
> not decided exactly what or how many fish are going to wind up in it,
> but if keep in mind the 1-inch/gallon rule, and i stay somewhat under
> the maximum, what level of filtration would be easy-to-setup/maintain
> and is adequate?
>
> the LFS recommended an emperor 400, but marineland's own web site says
> it's for tanks up to 80 gallons, -or- a tetratec 500 (with heater
> module), but this web site:
>


With plants, your need for heavy filtration will decrease, but I'd agree
that the 400 is a bit small. Myself, I would look at the larger Eheim
canisters for that tank, though you're looking at some money. I try to avoid
power filters (like the emperors) on planted tanks, as the water agitation
from the water falling back into the tank causes your CO2 to disperse.

[Victor Martinez]

Bubbles Jackson wrote:
> thoughts?

I have an Eheim 2217 (?) in my 110 gallon planted tank. It works fine.

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[RedForeman ©®]

sadly, my eheim won't stop leaking long enough to work...

anyone want an excellent filter that leaks? I paid over $120 for it, and
have put all new orings and nozzles on it, I've got over $200 into it... and
I'm over it... bought a cascade, haven't had a chance to test it.... yet....

--
RedForeman ©®


"Victor Martinez" > wrote in message
...
> Bubbles Jackson wrote:
> > thoughts?
>
> I have an Eheim 2217 (?) in my 110 gallon planted tank. It works fine.
>
> --
> Victor Martinez
> Send your spam here:
> Email me here:

[Bubbles Jackson]

i'm not afraid to spend some money for a good filter. i've looked at
some eheim's here...

http://www.eheim.com/Zubehoer.cgi?Mode=zeige&welches=2217&Filter=u200

http://www.eheim.com/Zubehoer.cgi?Mode=zeige&welches=2328&Filter=u200

....but they never show/tell you how they attach, where they sit, how
they get their water (and how they put it back).

also, that second unit (the 2328, and 2326 also) have the integrated
heater thingy. is that gimmicky or do you think it's a good substitute
for the kind that i've broken in the tank before? :)


thanks again,
-bj

> With plants, your need for heavy filtration will decrease, but I'd agree
> that the 400 is a bit small. Myself, I would look at the larger Eheim
> canisters for that tank, though you're looking at some money. I try to avoid
> power filters (like the emperors) on planted tanks, as the water agitation
> from the water falling back into the tank causes your CO2 to disperse.

[John]

Ok, where is it leaking? Around top rim or is it also leaking from
the nozels? How much do you want for it?


On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:11:41 -0500, "RedForeman ©®"
> wrote:

>sadly, my eheim won't stop leaking long enough to work...
>
>anyone want an excellent filter that leaks? I paid over $120 for it, and
>have put all new orings and nozzles on it, I've got over $200 into it... and
>I'm over it... bought a cascade, haven't had a chance to test it.... yet....

[RedForeman ©®]

canister filters, are a co-located filter..the bucket sits below the tank,
with a pump on top of it. Hoses from the tank transport water back and
from.... pretty simple...

skip the in filter heater, stories have it making too much noise, and not
actually worth it....

suggestion... canisters are nice, but you may want an additional filter,
such as a bio-wheel

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"Bubbles Jackson" > wrote in message
...
> i'm not afraid to spend some money for a good filter. i've looked at
> some eheim's here...
>
> http://www.eheim.com/Zubehoer.cgi?Mode=zeige&welches=2217&Filter=u200
>
> http://www.eheim.com/Zubehoer.cgi?Mode=zeige&welches=2328&Filter=u200
>
> ...but they never show/tell you how they attach, where they sit, how
> they get their water (and how they put it back).
>
> also, that second unit (the 2328, and 2326 also) have the integrated
> heater thingy. is that gimmicky or do you think it's a good substitute
> for the kind that i've broken in the tank before? :)
>
>
> thanks again,
> -bj
>
> > With plants, your need for heavy filtration will decrease, but I'd agree
> > that the 400 is a bit small. Myself, I would look at the larger Eheim
> > canisters for that tank, though you're looking at some money. I try to
avoid
> > power filters (like the emperors) on planted tanks, as the water
agitation
> > from the water falling back into the tank causes your CO2 to disperse.

[RedForeman ©®]

It's a combo of spots... started at basket, so I replaced the basket ring
with a new updated red ring, it was ok... several months later, the nozzles
leaked (after maintenance) and I had to take it out of service... tested it,
it was fine for 2 days, then out of nowhere it started again... from the
nozzles, from the Tvalve, I lubed them all with eheim silicone, and were ok
for several days, then they sprung again...

I've replaced
1 head O-ring
1 inlet O-ring smaller one
2 rings per nozzle = 4 rings

and it still leaks... never could isolate 'why' it leaked... the where was
obvious..

I'd take $75 for it, just to cover the cost of my new one... btw, I threw
the media into the new canister, so it's without media....

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"John" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, where is it leaking? Around top rim or is it also leaking from
> the nozels? How much do you want for it?
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:11:41 -0500, "RedForeman ©®"
> > wrote:
>
> >sadly, my eheim won't stop leaking long enough to work...
> >
> >anyone want an excellent filter that leaks? I paid over $120 for it, and
> >have put all new orings and nozzles on it, I've got over $200 into it...
and
> >I'm over it... bought a cascade, haven't had a chance to test it....
yet....
>

[Michi Henning]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> sadly, my eheim won't stop leaking long enough to work...
>
> anyone want an excellent filter that leaks? I paid over $120 for it, and
> have put all new orings and nozzles on it, I've got over $200 into it... and
> I'm over it... bought a cascade, haven't had a chance to test it.... yet....

Whoa, that's the first I've ever heard such complaints about an Eheim.
Did you talk to Eheim directly? From what I've heard, their customer
service is very good -- they might well exchange it for you.

Cheers,

Michi.
--
Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700
ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com

[Michi Henning]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...

> skip the in filter heater, stories have it making too much noise, and not
> actually worth it....

Huh? How could the heater make noise? It's just a pencil-thick
metal coil near the bottom of the canister (underneath the media
baskets), similar to the heating coils you see in old-fashioned
immersion heaters. That coil definitely doesn't make any noise.

I have an Eheim 2128 with integrated heater and I'm extremely
happy with it. It's absolutely silent -- I actually have to stick my
head into the cupboard underneath the tank to pick up the hum
of the motor. The filter is extremely easy to service, I can
disconnect the hoses without spilling a single drop, and it's never
let me down.

I like the built-in heater because it keeps yet another piece of junk
out of my tank. The only thing in the tank is the temperature probe,
which is about the thickness of a pencil, but half the length. Much
less intrusive than having a heater in the tank.

Cheers,

Michi.
--
Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700
ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com

[Dinky]

"Michi Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...

>
> Whoa, that's the first I've ever heard such complaints about an Eheim.
> Did you talk to Eheim directly? From what I've heard, their customer
> service is very good -- they might well exchange it for you.
>

Agreed. They are very possessive of their good reputation, It couldn't hurt
to send them an email, or give them a call.

[NetMax]

"Bubbles Jackson" > wrote in message
...
> hi all,
>
> just got a 120 gal and it's going to be a planted community tank. i've
> not decided exactly what or how many fish are going to wind up in it,
> but if keep in mind the 1-inch/gallon rule, and i stay somewhat under
> the maximum, what level of filtration would be easy-to-setup/maintain
> and is adequate?

First of all, that gallon per inch guideline gets pretty out of sync when
you are over 100g, and it gets more out of sync when you are stocking
with the small schooling tetras typically found in planted tanks. If
your fish are all in the slim body 1-1/4 to 1-3/4" range, you can easily
go into 2 or 3"/gal.

Filtration for large planted tanks tends to fall into twin canister
filters:

The canisters let you orient, control and dissipate the return flow, and
you can minimize surface turbulence which is essential for CO2 injection.
Canisters are also more efficient, so lower flow rates achieve the same
quality of filtration, (and many plants are not keen on having high flow
rates).

There are 3 reasons why two filters makes sense. First, redundancy, as
the remaining canister will keep things running while the other is being
repaired, serviced, unclogged etc. The 2nd reason is that at 120g, it
would be a very large single filter. Eheim has some models for really
large tanks, but the economics of volumes can make them (and their parts)
difficult to find, and they will not be cheap. The 3rd reason is to be
able to get sufficient turbulence evenly spread over a 5 or 6 foot long
tank. A single filter will use high pressure to get from one end to the
other. Two smaller filters can be located (one to an end) so you have
much more uniform flow distribution.

Something like a couple of Eheim 2213/2215s or a couple of Fluval 304s
should work nicely. Other canister makes available as well.

NetMax

> thoughts?
>
> thanks,
> -bj

[RedForeman ©®]

maybe it was the tetra filter that made the noise... I read about it, but
steered clear...

I"ve been wrong before....

--
RedForeman ©®


"Michi Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > skip the in filter heater, stories have it making too much noise, and
not
> > actually worth it....
>
> Huh? How could the heater make noise? It's just a pencil-thick
> metal coil near the bottom of the canister (underneath the media
> baskets), similar to the heating coils you see in old-fashioned
> immersion heaters. That coil definitely doesn't make any noise.
>
> I have an Eheim 2128 with integrated heater and I'm extremely
> happy with it. It's absolutely silent -- I actually have to stick my
> head into the cupboard underneath the tank to pick up the hum
> of the motor. The filter is extremely easy to service, I can
> disconnect the hoses without spilling a single drop, and it's never
> let me down.
>
> I like the built-in heater because it keeps yet another piece of junk
> out of my tank. The only thing in the tank is the temperature probe,
> which is about the thickness of a pencil, but half the length. Much
> less intrusive than having a heater in the tank.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michi.
> --
> Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700
> ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com
>

[RedForeman ©®]

Didn't buy FROM eheim, bought it from a petstore, eheim said it was covered
by any condition of any warranty they could provide..

IOW, SOL....

--
RedForeman ©®


"Michi Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
> > sadly, my eheim won't stop leaking long enough to work...
> >
> > anyone want an excellent filter that leaks? I paid over $120 for it,
and
> > have put all new orings and nozzles on it, I've got over $200 into it...
and
> > I'm over it... bought a cascade, haven't had a chance to test it....
yet....
>
> Whoa, that's the first I've ever heard such complaints about an Eheim.
> Did you talk to Eheim directly? From what I've heard, their customer
> service is very good -- they might well exchange it for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michi.
> --
> Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700
> ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com
>

[Bubbles Jackson]

you saying if you don't buy direct you don't get the warranty?

i just bought one from big al's last night.


RedForeman ©® wrote:
> Didn't buy FROM eheim, bought it from a petstore, eheim said it was covered
> by any condition of any warranty they could provide..
>
> IOW, SOL....
>
> --
> RedForeman ©®
>
>
> "Michi Henning" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>sadly, my eheim won't stop leaking long enough to work...
>>>
>>>anyone want an excellent filter that leaks? I paid over $120 for it,
>
> and
>
>>>have put all new orings and nozzles on it, I've got over $200 into it...
>
> and
>
>>>I'm over it... bought a cascade, haven't had a chance to test it....
>
> yet....
>
>>Whoa, that's the first I've ever heard such complaints about an Eheim.
>>Did you talk to Eheim directly? From what I've heard, their customer
>>service is very good -- they might well exchange it for you.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Michi.
>>--
>>Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700
>>ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com
>>
>
>
>

[Victor Martinez]

Bubbles Jackson wrote:
> you saying if you don't buy direct you don't get the warranty?

I find that hard to believe. Most manufacturers of reputable products
are the ones that guarantee their products against defects.

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[Michi Henning]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> Didn't buy FROM eheim, bought it from a petstore, eheim said it was covered
> by any condition of any warranty they could provide..

Seems strange -- the warranty is provided by Eheim, not by the dealer and, if
there is a defective item, all the dealer does is pass on the claim to the
manufacturer.

I would try getting in touch with Eheim Germany directly, with a brief
summary of what happened. (They are quite happy to converse in English --
I've spoken to them in the past.) You might get a better response that way.

You shouldn't have to put up with something that has basically never
worked, no matter who the manufacturer is.

Cheers,

Michi.
--
Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700
ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com

[NetMax]

"Michi Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Didn't buy FROM eheim, bought it from a petstore, eheim said it was
covered
> > by any condition of any warranty they could provide..
>
> Seems strange -- the warranty is provided by Eheim, not by the dealer
and, if
> there is a defective item, all the dealer does is pass on the claim to
the
> manufacturer.
>
> I would try getting in touch with Eheim Germany directly, with a brief
> summary of what happened. (They are quite happy to converse in
English --
> I've spoken to them in the past.) You might get a better response that
way.
>
> You shouldn't have to put up with something that has basically never
> worked, no matter who the manufacturer is.

Agreed. Personally I've only had one warranty issue with Eheim, and my
dealer wouldn't help me. They sold me the part I needed, handed me the
rep's phone number and wished me good luck. I wasn't impressed, but this
is just my very limited experience. Defects can get through any
manufacturer (do you think they fill every filter on the production line
with water?). Regardless of who you bought the filter from, get a hold
of the manufacturer and FAX them a copy of your receipt and demand and
expect that they honour the warranty. The unfortunate part is that most
aquarium components are critical, so you can't wait around for snail mail
to deliver a part, and if you buy on-line, there is the extra burden of
who will inspect it to determine the warranty action, but ultimitely,
this is their problem, if you can stand the delays.

NetMax

> Cheers,
>
> Michi.
> --
> Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700
> ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com
>

[RedForeman ©®]

There have been several exchanges of emails, but never an offer to refurb,
or fix the item. They were the reason I bought new o-rings, because there
were production problems with o-rings for my model, so after 6 o-rings later
and out $40+, still leaked. more phone calls, was told that the lubrication
jelly *read silicone* was needed to properly seat all rings, $10 more. took
nozzles apart, lubed, and back up, 2 days later, leaking again... Eheim
said, purchase new nozzles and that should rectify the whole situation...
Did that, but the nozzles didn't have o-rings, so I took my new orings off
and put them on the new nozzle and everything was fine.... for about a
week... came home to a 29g that had leaked down to the bottom 6" of the
tank, all the water was in the living room.... needless to say, that was the
last time it had run....

it's one of those instances, where I'm SO over it, the emails and phone
calls are not even worth it.... I shot another email yesterday, and because
I used my real name, and phone number, and since they are familiar with it,
I was hoping to hear back, but havent'....

--
RedForeman ©®


"Michi Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Didn't buy FROM eheim, bought it from a petstore, eheim said it was
covered
> > by any condition of any warranty they could provide..
>
> Seems strange -- the warranty is provided by Eheim, not by the dealer and,
if
> there is a defective item, all the dealer does is pass on the claim to the
> manufacturer.
>
> I would try getting in touch with Eheim Germany directly, with a brief
> summary of what happened. (They are quite happy to converse in English --
> I've spoken to them in the past.) You might get a better response that
way.
>
> You shouldn't have to put up with something that has basically never
> worked, no matter who the manufacturer is.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michi.
> --
> Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700
> ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com
>

[Michi Henning]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...

> There have been several exchanges of emails, but never an offer to refurb,
> or fix the item. They were the reason I bought new o-rings, because there
> were production problems with o-rings for my model, so after 6 o-rings later
> and out $40+, still leaked. more phone calls, was told that the lubrication
> jelly *read silicone* was needed to properly seat all rings, $10 more. took
> nozzles apart, lubed, and back up, 2 days later, leaking again... Eheim
> said, purchase new nozzles and that should rectify the whole situation...
> Did that, but the nozzles didn't have o-rings, so I took my new orings off
> and put them on the new nozzle and everything was fine.... for about a
> week... came home to a 29g that had leaked down to the bottom 6" of the
> tank, all the water was in the living room.... needless to say, that was the
> last time it had run....
>
> it's one of those instances, where I'm SO over it, the emails and phone
> calls are not even worth it.... I shot another email yesterday, and because
> I used my real name, and phone number, and since they are familiar with it,
> I was hoping to hear back, but havent'....

Wow. So Eheim tell you that there were production problems with o-rings
and still made you pay for replacement o-rings? Interesting.

Sorry to hear your tale. That's really disappointing. And not at all what I
would have expected from that company. It's sad to see a company that
is pretty much the equivalent of Rolls Royce in its market being so
unresponsive
to a complaint. And, when it comes down to it, it's probably a really trivial
thing, such as you getting the one filter that was made first thing in the
morning,
before the injection molding machine was properly warmed up and then
produced a distorted part. Sad, really.

And, I bet, Eheim will pay the price in lost business. People looking for
opinions on products find news postings through search engines.
Overall, it probably would have been cheaper for Eheim to
give you a replacement filter and have a happy customer, instead
of having this conversation here archived for all eternity...

Cheers,

Michi.

--
Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700
ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com

[NetMax]

"Michi Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > There have been several exchanges of emails, but never an offer to
refurb,
> > or fix the item. They were the reason I bought new o-rings, because
there
> > were production problems with o-rings for my model, so after 6
o-rings later
> > and out $40+, still leaked. more phone calls, was told that the
lubrication
> > jelly *read silicone* was needed to properly seat all rings, $10
more. took
> > nozzles apart, lubed, and back up, 2 days later, leaking again...
Eheim
> > said, purchase new nozzles and that should rectify the whole
situation...
> > Did that, but the nozzles didn't have o-rings, so I took my new
orings off
> > and put them on the new nozzle and everything was fine.... for about
a
> > week... came home to a 29g that had leaked down to the bottom 6" of
the
> > tank, all the water was in the living room.... needless to say, that
was the
> > last time it had run....
> >
> > it's one of those instances, where I'm SO over it, the emails and
phone
> > calls are not even worth it.... I shot another email yesterday, and
because
> > I used my real name, and phone number, and since they are familiar
with it,
> > I was hoping to hear back, but havent'....
>
> Wow. So Eheim tell you that there were production problems with o-rings
> and still made you pay for replacement o-rings? Interesting.
>
> Sorry to hear your tale. That's really disappointing. And not at all
what I
> would have expected from that company. It's sad to see a company that
> is pretty much the equivalent of Rolls Royce in its market being so
> unresponsive
> to a complaint. And, when it comes down to it, it's probably a really
trivial
> thing, such as you getting the one filter that was made first thing in
the
> morning,
> before the injection molding machine was properly warmed up and then
> produced a distorted part. Sad, really.
>
> And, I bet, Eheim will pay the price in lost business. People looking
for
> opinions on products find news postings through search engines.
> Overall, it probably would have been cheaper for Eheim to
> give you a replacement filter and have a happy customer, instead
> of having this conversation here archived for all eternity...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michi.

Red, it sounds like you've made the efforts that a manufacturer could
reasonable expect someone to make. In your shoes, I'd put together the
sequence of occurrences as objectively as possible, and send it to their
head office, informing them regretfully, that there is no further
component changes which would regain your confidence in the filter you
own, especially in light of the re-occurring flooding (and damage to your
floor if that is the case), and for them to send you a new replacement
filter. Ask them *nicely* where you should send the defective unit, then
sit back & wait. You have nothing to lose.

NetMax

[RedForeman ©®]

NetMax, you'll be the one that is surprised, but that's what they've just
asked me to do...

"Please note the order of events, and if possible, add what components were
replaced, and where applicable, please provide any reciepts of any
components you've replaced so as to have a better chance of evaluating your
situation"

Looks like they've taken an interest now.... Maybe the low key demeanor
helped, I tried NOT to look concerned, but put off.... I'll see what happens
soon...

--
RedForeman ©®


"NetMax" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Michi Henning" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > > There have been several exchanges of emails, but never an offer to
> refurb,
> > > or fix the item. They were the reason I bought new o-rings, because
> there
> > > were production problems with o-rings for my model, so after 6
> o-rings later
> > > and out $40+, still leaked. more phone calls, was told that the
> lubrication
> > > jelly *read silicone* was needed to properly seat all rings, $10
> more. took
> > > nozzles apart, lubed, and back up, 2 days later, leaking again...
> Eheim
> > > said, purchase new nozzles and that should rectify the whole
> situation...
> > > Did that, but the nozzles didn't have o-rings, so I took my new
> orings off
> > > and put them on the new nozzle and everything was fine.... for about
> a
> > > week... came home to a 29g that had leaked down to the bottom 6" of
> the
> > > tank, all the water was in the living room.... needless to say, that
> was the
> > > last time it had run....
> > >
> > > it's one of those instances, where I'm SO over it, the emails and
> phone
> > > calls are not even worth it.... I shot another email yesterday, and
> because
> > > I used my real name, and phone number, and since they are familiar
> with it,
> > > I was hoping to hear back, but havent'....
> >
> > Wow. So Eheim tell you that there were production problems with o-rings
> > and still made you pay for replacement o-rings? Interesting.
> >
> > Sorry to hear your tale. That's really disappointing. And not at all
> what I
> > would have expected from that company. It's sad to see a company that
> > is pretty much the equivalent of Rolls Royce in its market being so
> > unresponsive
> > to a complaint. And, when it comes down to it, it's probably a really
> trivial
> > thing, such as you getting the one filter that was made first thing in
> the
> > morning,
> > before the injection molding machine was properly warmed up and then
> > produced a distorted part. Sad, really.
> >
> > And, I bet, Eheim will pay the price in lost business. People looking
> for
> > opinions on products find news postings through search engines.
> > Overall, it probably would have been cheaper for Eheim to
> > give you a replacement filter and have a happy customer, instead
> > of having this conversation here archived for all eternity...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Michi.
>
> Red, it sounds like you've made the efforts that a manufacturer could
> reasonable expect someone to make. In your shoes, I'd put together the
> sequence of occurrences as objectively as possible, and send it to their
> head office, informing them regretfully, that there is no further
> component changes which would regain your confidence in the filter you
> own, especially in light of the re-occurring flooding (and damage to your
> floor if that is the case), and for them to send you a new replacement
> filter. Ask them *nicely* where you should send the defective unit, then
> sit back & wait. You have nothing to lose.
>
> NetMax
>
>

[Michi Henning]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
>
> Looks like they've taken an interest now.... Maybe the low key demeanor
> helped, I tried NOT to look concerned, but put off.... I'll see what happens
> soon...

Good to hear, and good luck!

Cheers,

Michi.

[NetMax]

"Michi Henning" > wrote in message
...
>
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Looks like they've taken an interest now.... Maybe the low key
demeanor
> > helped, I tried NOT to look concerned, but put off.... I'll see what
happens
> > soon...
>
> Good to hear, and good luck!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michi.

Excellent. I suspect the manufacturers keep an occasional ear on the
newsgroups too, so it's always good for everyone to play nice ;~)

NetMax

[RedForeman ©®]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Michi Henning" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > Looks like they've taken an interest now.... Maybe the low key
> demeanor
> > > helped, I tried NOT to look concerned, but put off.... I'll see what
> happens
> > > soon...
> >
> > Good to hear, and good luck!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Michi.
>
> Excellent. I suspect the manufacturers keep an occasional ear on the
> newsgroups too, so it's always good for everyone to play nice ;~)
>
> NetMax

Nawww.... That would NEVER happen..... would it? hee hee....

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