How many Otos in a 10 gallon

[Dan]

How many otos should be in a 10 gallon tank? They're the only method
of 'natural' algae control in the tank (no snails, no pl*cos,
etc...btw, why the * in pl*co?).

I only had one oto for a couple weeks after cycling until the algae
really started to become noticable. When it started covering the
sides and all the rocks were very green, I purchased two more otos and
they seem to be keeping the algae at bay. They all have really fat
bellies, so I'm guessing that they're eating everything they can, but
maybe there was too much algae to begin with?

I'm willing to wait it out if three is enough for the long term
because I don't want to over compensate by putting too many otos in to
immediately take care of the algae problem and then have nothing for
them to eat once the majority of the algae is gone.

Thanks,
Dan

[MarAzul]

"Dan" > wrote in message
m...
> How many otos should be in a 10 gallon tank? They're the only method
> of 'natural' algae control in the tank (no snails, no pl*cos,
> etc...btw, why the * in pl*co?).
>


I actually read the "pl*co" thing on the cichlids board. I think maybe from
Tim..? NetMax will probably know.. As I read it, it's basically a
superstition to ward of evil pl*co killing spirits (okay, nothing so
dramatic, but you get the idea). If I remember correctly, someone spelled it
with the 'e' and the next day their pl*co died... I think this might be the
cause of my curse... :)

Sorry can't help you with the rest (don't know much about otos).

Mar
------------------------------------------------
"I meant," said Ipslore, bitterly,"what is there in this world that makes
living worthwhile?"

Death thought about it.
"Cats," he said eventually, "Cats are nice."

-Terry Pratchett, 'Sourcery'

[Dinky]

"Dan" > wrote in message
m...
> How many otos should be in a 10 gallon tank? They're the only method


First off, I'd recommend a rubber or bristlenose pl*co, they stay smallish.
I have a rubber pleco in my 20 now, and besides his habit of plastering
himself to the front glass and showing his rather disgusting underside, he's
been a great addition.

Anyway, in answer to your question, I usually put in one for every 2-5
gallons. I generally buy more, since Otos have such a habit of spontaniously
ceasing to be alive for no apparent reason.

[NetMax]

"MarAzul" > wrote in message
news:W0AUb.25182$QJ3.19881@fed1read04...
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> m...
> > How many otos should be in a 10 gallon tank? They're the only method
> > of 'natural' algae control in the tank (no snails, no pl*cos,
> > etc...btw, why the * in pl*co?).
> >
>
>
> I actually read the "pl*co" thing on the cichlids board. I think maybe
from
> Tim..? NetMax will probably know.. As I read it, it's basically a
> superstition to ward of evil pl*co killing spirits (okay, nothing so
> dramatic, but you get the idea). If I remember correctly, someone
spelled it
> with the 'e' and the next day their pl*co died... I think this might be
the
> cause of my curse... :)
>
> Sorry can't help you with the rest (don't know much about otos).
>
> Mar

As many Otos as it takes, keeping in mind exactly what you said about
their running out of food. I usually recommend 1 per 10g to start, and
often adding something else if you need more (for a wider spectrum of
algae control). Bushynose, Whiptail, snails, SAE etc.

On Pl*cos:
http://faq.thekrib.com/intro-turf.html#terms

NetMax :o)

[Tedd Jacobs]

"Dinky" wrote...
> "Dan" wrote...


> > How many otos should be in a 10 gallon tank? They're the only method
[restored text]
> > of 'natural' algae control in the tank (no snails, no pl*cos,
> > etc...btw, why the * in pl*co?).

> I have a rubber pleco in my 20 now,

there you go putting an "e" in where it doesnt belong. guess we're going to see
if the curse is true... ;-)

the whole pl*co thing as i understand it Dan, is that if you spell it out and
use the "e" in place of the * then yours will die. this came from a nasty habit
they seem have of abruptly dying for no obvious reason. in the absence of
directly observable evidence, superstition was used as an explanation, hence the
only possible scientific reason a pl*co could have died would be that the owner
had used the "e" in the spelling sometime shortly beforehand. this is kept alive
by the idea that sometimes it is fun to believe in a superstition (plus there
are a few around that will swear to the fact that it's true). where it started
exactly i'm not sure, somewhere on usenet i believe. in whatever case, usenet
has certainly aided in the continuance and expansion of the "pl*co curse".

[Keith J.]

"T*dd J*c*bs" > wrote in message
...
>
> "D*nky" wrote...
> > "D*n" wrote...
>
>
> > > How many otos should be in a 10 gallon tank? They're the only method
> [restored text]
> > > of 'natural' algae control in the tank (no snails, no pl*cos,
> > > etc...btw, why the * in pl*co?).
>
> > I have a rubber pleco in my 20 now,
>
> there you go putting an "e" in where it doesnt belong. guess we're going
to see
> if the curse is true... ;-)
>
> the whole pl*co thing as i understand it Dan, is that if you spell it out
and
> use the "e" in place of the * then yours will die. this came from a nasty
habit
> they seem have of abruptly dying for no obvious reason. in the absence of
> directly observable evidence, superstition was used as an explanation,
hence the
> only possible scientific reason a pl*co could have died would be that the
owner
> had used the "e" in the spelling sometime shortly beforehand. this is kept
alive
> by the idea that sometimes it is fun to believe in a superstition (plus
there
> are a few around that will swear to the fact that it's true). where it
started
> exactly i'm not sure, somewhere on usenet i believe. in whatever case,
usenet
> has certainly aided in the continuance and expansion of the "pl*co curse".
>
I wish N*tM*x , J**l , or M*rk St*n* would have answered this.
Thanks for the info T*dd ;
K**th J.

( being doubly sure to avoid bad luck by replacing all the vowels instead of
just "E" )

[RedForeman ©®]

http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/catfishology/just_say_pleco.htm

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RedForeman ©®




"Dan" > wrote in message
m...
> How many otos should be in a 10 gallon tank? They're the only method
> of 'natural' algae control in the tank (no snails, no pl*cos,
> etc...btw, why the * in pl*co?).
>
> I only had one oto for a couple weeks after cycling until the algae
> really started to become noticable. When it started covering the
> sides and all the rocks were very green, I purchased two more otos and
> they seem to be keeping the algae at bay. They all have really fat
> bellies, so I'm guessing that they're eating everything they can, but
> maybe there was too much algae to begin with?
>
> I'm willing to wait it out if three is enough for the long term
> because I don't want to over compensate by putting too many otos in to
> immediately take care of the algae problem and then have nothing for
> them to eat once the majority of the algae is gone.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan

[D Moss]

The "explanation" for "pleco" given in the link below is far too wordy.

"Pleco" is short for plecostomus, and the former has been generalized to
cover many species that look like and act like H. plecostomus.

The origin of * in pl*c(o) is a mystery. It's perpetration is due to
the MSMD Syndrome. (Monkey-See, Monkey-Do).

DAM

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...

> http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/catfishology/just_say_pleco.htm
>
> --
> RedForeman ©®
>

[Denise]

I had 2 otos in a 10g and they seemed more interested in the heater cord and
the air line than in the algae. Their tummies were flat but they looked fine
otherwise & all was well in the tank. I posted here about a week ago and as
a result, I added 2 more otos. Now I have 4 otos and they are all on the
plants and eating algae. They all have nice full rounded bellies too. After
looking at some of the responses here, I'm wondering if they are going to
run out of food. I've tried adding algae wafers but they ignore them.
Denise
"Dan" > wrote in message
m...
> How many otos should be in a 10 gallon tank? They're the only method
> of 'natural' algae control in the tank (no snails, no pl*cos,
> etc...btw, why the * in pl*co?).
>
> I only had one oto for a couple weeks after cycling until the algae
> really started to become noticable. When it started covering the
> sides and all the rocks were very green, I purchased two more otos and
> they seem to be keeping the algae at bay. They all have really fat
> bellies, so I'm guessing that they're eating everything they can, but
> maybe there was too much algae to begin with?
>
> I'm willing to wait it out if three is enough for the long term
> because I don't want to over compensate by putting too many otos in to
> immediately take care of the algae problem and then have nothing for
> them to eat once the majority of the algae is gone.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan

[Robert Flory]

"Denise" > wrote in message
...
> I had 2 otos in a 10g and they seemed more interested in the heater cord
and
> the air line than in the algae. Their tummies were flat but they looked
fine
> otherwise & all was well in the tank. I posted here about a week ago and
as
> a result, I added 2 more otos. Now I have 4 otos and they are all on the
> plants and eating algae. They all have nice full rounded bellies too.
After
> looking at some of the responses here, I'm wondering if they are going to
> run out of food. I've tried adding algae wafers but they ignore them.
> Denise

Mine look like they swallowed marbles, don't worry about food as long as
they are fat. Add food if they start to slim down.

Bob

[Mean_Chlorine]

"D Moss" > wrote in message . net>...

> The origin of * in pl*c(o) is a mystery. It's perpetration is due to
> the MSMD Syndrome. (Monkey-See, Monkey-Do).

Although the exact origin of pl*co seems to have been elsewhere than
in the newsgroups, one can find numerous posts like this one...

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22pl*co%22+fish&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1991&as_maxd=8&as_maxm=2&as_maxy=1998&selm=3421F60F.5EC5%40epix.net&rnum=1

.... starting 1997, never before having been mentioned.

[Donald Kerns]

D Moss wrote:

> The origin of * in pl*c(o) is a mystery. It's perpetration is due to
> the MSMD Syndrome. (Monkey-See, Monkey-Do).
>

RTFFAQ.

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[RedForeman ©®]

then any words more than something simple would be lost on you, since you've
demonstrated that anything that is too wordy, you wouldn't read, so again,
this being a newsgroup, and reading is a bit of necessity, and you won't
have any authority to keep people from typing more words than your lazy ass
wants to read, then I suggest to anyone reading your questions in the future
to write not an answer, but an essay to keep your simple attitude from
actually reading it, since you seem to be too lazy to follow along anything
with more lines than your IQ so the chances that you'll actually read
anything that is typed by anyone other than yourself, means one word, long
know in the internet world as someone who thinks their words are immortal,
that eveyone wants to read what they type because it's usually coming from a
child with more ambition then intelligence, which is a good example of your
post, but all boiled down, you sir, may be considered a beloved Troll...

Wear it with pride.

--
RedForeman ©®




"D Moss" > wrote in message
link.net...
> The "explanation" for "pleco" given in the link below is far too wordy.
>
> "Pleco" is short for plecostomus, and the former has been generalized to
> cover many species that look like and act like H. plecostomus.
>
> The origin of * in pl*c(o) is a mystery. It's perpetration is due to
> the MSMD Syndrome. (Monkey-See, Monkey-Do).
>
> DAM
>
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/catfishology/just_say_pleco.htm
> >
> > --
> > RedForeman ©®
> >
>
>

[NetMax]

*whew* I hope you never get upset with me

chill ?
NetMax ;~)

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> then any words more than something simple would be lost on you, since
you've
> demonstrated that anything that is too wordy, you wouldn't read, so
again,
> this being a newsgroup, and reading is a bit of necessity, and you
won't
> have any authority to keep people from typing more words than your lazy
ass
> wants to read, then I suggest to anyone reading your questions in the
future
> to write not an answer, but an essay to keep your simple attitude from
> actually reading it, since you seem to be too lazy to follow along
anything
> with more lines than your IQ so the chances that you'll actually read
> anything that is typed by anyone other than yourself, means one word,
long
> know in the internet world as someone who thinks their words are
immortal,
> that eveyone wants to read what they type because it's usually coming
from a
> child with more ambition then intelligence, which is a good example of
your
> post, but all boiled down, you sir, may be considered a beloved
Troll...
>
> Wear it with pride.
>
> --
> RedForeman ©®
>
>
>
>
> "D Moss" > wrote in message
> link.net...
> > The "explanation" for "pleco" given in the link below is far too
wordy.
> >
> > "Pleco" is short for plecostomus, and the former has been generalized
to
> > cover many species that look like and act like H. plecostomus.
> >
> > The origin of * in pl*c(o) is a mystery. It's perpetration is due
to
> > the MSMD Syndrome. (Monkey-See, Monkey-Do).
> >
> > DAM
> >
> > "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > >
http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/catfishology/just_say_pleco.htm
> > >
> > > --
> > > RedForeman ©®
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RedForeman ©®]

nah, just playing net cop, dork whatever... just goofing off... I love
playing with trolls...

I'd never get upset at you NetMax, you too good for that... besides, you
could never get on my bad list, there's alot of respect for you, besides the
volumes of information, knowledge, experience... I could go on.... that's
one list, you'll never be on...

--
RedForeman ©®
still trying to remember to BOTTOM post....



"NetMax" > wrote in message
.. .
> *whew* I hope you never get upset with me
>
> chill ?
> NetMax ;~)
>
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
> > then any words more than something simple would be lost on you, since
> you've
> > demonstrated that anything that is too wordy, you wouldn't read, so
> again,
> > this being a newsgroup, and reading is a bit of necessity, and you
> won't
> > have any authority to keep people from typing more words than your lazy
> ass
> > wants to read, then I suggest to anyone reading your questions in the
> future
> > to write not an answer, but an essay to keep your simple attitude from
> > actually reading it, since you seem to be too lazy to follow along
> anything
> > with more lines than your IQ so the chances that you'll actually read
> > anything that is typed by anyone other than yourself, means one word,
> long
> > know in the internet world as someone who thinks their words are
> immortal,
> > that eveyone wants to read what they type because it's usually coming
> from a
> > child with more ambition then intelligence, which is a good example of
> your
> > post, but all boiled down, you sir, may be considered a beloved
> Troll...
> >
> > Wear it with pride.
> >
> > --
> > RedForeman ©®
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "D Moss" > wrote in message
> > link.net...
> > > The "explanation" for "pleco" given in the link below is far too
> wordy.
> > >
> > > "Pleco" is short for plecostomus, and the former has been generalized
> to
> > > cover many species that look like and act like H. plecostomus.
> > >
> > > The origin of * in pl*c(o) is a mystery. It's perpetration is due
> to
> > > the MSMD Syndrome. (Monkey-See, Monkey-Do).
> > >
> > > DAM
> > >
> > > "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > >
> http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/catfishology/just_say_pleco.htm
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > RedForeman ©®
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[NetMax]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> nah, just playing net cop, dork whatever... just goofing off... I love
> playing with trolls...
>
> I'd never get upset at you NetMax, you too good for that... besides,
you
> could never get on my bad list, there's alot of respect for you,
besides the
> volumes of information, knowledge, experience... I could go on....
that's
> one list, you'll never be on...
>
> --
> RedForeman ©®
<snip>

That's good to hear, (you're keeping me around for my brains ;~). I
think it was RedGreen who said "if you can't be handsome, you should at
least be handy" :o).

I'm not convinced that there was ever a troll in this thread, and my
definition (of a troll) is even wider than
http://www.netlingo.com/lookup.cfm?term=troll (but then I only have one
troll in my ignore list, so maybe I'm not a discerning judge of
'trollness' ;~). As long as it's on-topic and meant to be helpful, I see
past curt, or English as a 2nd language replies. Fish are what we have
in common, not wordsmithing ;o).

NetMax

[RedForeman ©®]

"High Flight" > wrote in message

> > nah, just playing net cop, dork whatever... just goofing off... I love
> > playing with trolls...
>
> When you "play" with trolls, they win. They exist soley for recogniton.
> Giving them what they crave only perpetuates their existence.

that may be what you think, but if you've ever had the tools of the trade,
to trace, chase and catch where a troll is coming from, and having some
connections, you can have an account disabled, suspended, etc...

perception.... you see me as feeding the trolls... I see it as bait.... Give
me as much info as you want.... I'll only use it against you to pinpoint
your location, and eventually, even the best of trolls aren't hackers... it
takes troll bait to bait the troll, it takes a hacker to catch a troll, and
evidence to show TOS violations, and evidence to point in the right
direction....

background, there was a troll from the reef group, who changed their nic
every time they posted, but after accumulating all the evidence, lodging
some complaints, I went farther and contacted some reps from the ISP and did
a backwards search, found that it infact was an employee of that ISP.. what
was worse, the troll gave up valuable, VERY valuable info, and when that
happened, we found that the troll was the person recieving the
so, once you establish where they are, then who they are
connected thru, localize that info, and you can rid the troll in minutes....

--
RedForeman ©®
still trying to remember to BOTTOM post....