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Computer Prog
February 19th 04, 05:22 PM
Comparing 10-yr old Whisper J with AquaClear 150


I have been running a Whisper J power filter in a 10-gal tank for
close to 10 years. I never had a problem with the Whisper, but after
reading all the glowing reviews of the AC models I decided to try one
out. The large, customizable media bags sounded like a good idea to
me. The media in my Whisper tends to gunk up after about 2-3 weeks
with a medium sized load in the tank. My old Whisper also lacks a
filter box cover and an adjustable flow control so those new options
were attractive to me as well. I've seen my Pleco resting on the
waterfall area of my Whisper (half out of the water) a few times and
this was making me nervous. Here is my initial comparison of the
Whisper J and the AC 150.

The external physical size of the two power filters is almost
identical. The flow rating of the AC is much higher than the old
Whisper J so this is surprising. A checked a new Whisper 20 when I
bought the AC 150. The Whisper 20 is rated at 125 gph and its
physical size is much bigger than the AC 150.

The Whisper J uses the smallest BioBags and they are pretty small.
The amount of "Ultra-Activated" carbon in the packs that come with the
BioBags is very small. The sponge for the AC 150 seemed fairly big &
dense and I like the idea if reusability. The carbon pack is huge
compared to the Whisper J carbon bag! I bought an extra AC 150 sponge
and I plan to stack 2 of them below the carbon after I get comfortable
with the filter.

The intake tube length on the old Whisper J is actually a little bit
longer than the intake tube on the AC 150 (with just one strainer
attached). The difference is less than ¼", but this was surprising to
me since the AC 150 is supposed to be for up to 30 gallons while the
Whisper J is only for up to 10 gallons. The AC 150 strainer has fewer
holes than the Whisper strainer, but the holes are larger then the
Whisper holes. This might be bad for my Neons.

It is obvious that the AC 150 has more suction power at the intake
tube strainer. It is clearly pulling in more stuff than the Whisper J
did. I can see foreign matter flying towards the intake at further
distances than I saw with the Whisper J. I picked up a medium sized
ball of junk I found under a tank rock and put it near the intake tube
and it got quickly sucked right up no problem. It looks like it will
pick up more foreign matter, but I hope it does not suck up a Neon. I
put my finger on the intake tube of the AC 150 and it does not feel
like there is major suction down there so the Neons might be ok.

The AC 150 kind of drops the output water down into the tank while the
Whisper shot it across the top of the tank. With the Whisper I could
see the current breaking at the front glass at the top of the tank.
When the filter got dirty I could see this current getting weaker. I
do not get the same kind of current flow across the top with the AC
150 but it looks like the water flow coming out of the AC 150 is at
least as much as I got out of the Whisper J. The AC 150 just drops it
down and the current goes towards the bottom of the tank. This may
help to agitate dirt at the bottom. My medium guppies were already
playing in the AC150 current.

The AC 150 is noisier than my Whisper J and it is a pretty big
difference. The build quality of the Whisper is obviously better.
The Whisper uses a strong but pliable black plastic while the AC 150
uses a hard and brittle plastic. I cracked my first AC 150 when I
tried to install the intake tube (I returned the AC 150 and got
another one). The way in which the intake attaches to the AC150 is a
very poor design. It is difficult to snap the tube on and off and it
looks like it will be something that will break (again). The Whisper
intake tube just easily drops right into the filter body without any
hassles. The Whisper tube is also built with a more durable plastic.
I like the remove and clean the tube when I do my monthly maintenance
and I hope that this does not become a problem.

The water level inside the AC 150 is pretty high. Even with a brand
new media setup the height of the water inside the filter is certainly
higher than what I got in the Whisper. I can see how some people have
experienced overflow problems. When the media clogged on my Whisper
the water spilled over the front of the intake tube and went back into
the tank. The water never rose near the back of the filter. I am not
sure that this is true with the AC 150 and I am a bit worried about
this.

It looks like there is a high chance of water bypassing the media in
the AC 150. The water level in the intake tube section rises up above
the media level in the media box and it looks like it could easily
just bypass the media and drop out the waterfall area. The laws of
physics might actually prevent this from happening due to the pressure
differences between the intake box and the media box caused by the
impeller and the motion of the water around it. I am not sure about
this, but there is a clear path that would allow it to happen if the
pressures allowed it. The "re-circulation grid" also provides a path
that would allow water to flow from the intake section to the top of
the media basket, thus bypassing all filtration. I think the pressure
in the intake & filter boxes causes water to flow from the top of the
filter basket to the intake area for re-circulation and additional
filtering. Again, I am not sure about that. The filter setup on the
Whisper does not really allow media bypass until the media clog and
the water starts to flow over the font of the intake tube and back
into the tank. When the Whisper is clean there is no chance of media
bypass. This may not be the case with the AC 150.

The bottom line is I am not sure about this new filter. I will hold
final judgment until I see how well filters. I also need to make sure
it does not suck up a Neon or get close to overflowing.

Charles
February 19th 04, 05:33 PM
On 19 Feb 2004 09:22:17 -0800, (Computer
Prog) wrote:
(snip)
>The bottom line is I am not sure about this new filter. I will hold
>final judgment until I see how well filters. I also need to make sure
>it does not suck up a Neon or get close to overflowing.

I have had to put something between the filter and the back of the
tank on a couple filters to make sure that the water spills to the
front when it starts to overflow.
--

- Charles
-
-does not play well with others

MartinOsirus
February 19th 04, 09:23 PM
a major difference is the aquaclear media are horozontal and the whisper are
vertical. The horozontal sponge is one of the best media you can use. Whisper
cartriges clog more quickly and can't be rinsed out as well as those sponges.

NetMax
February 20th 04, 05:36 AM
"Computer Prog" > wrote in message
om...
> Comparing 10-yr old Whisper J with AquaClear 150
>
>
> I have been running a Whisper J power filter in a 10-gal tank for
> close to 10 years. I never had a problem with the Whisper, but after
> reading all the glowing reviews of the AC models I decided to try one
> out. The large, customizable media bags sounded like a good idea to
> me. The media in my Whisper tends to gunk up after about 2-3 weeks
> with a medium sized load in the tank. My old Whisper also lacks a
> filter box cover and an adjustable flow control so those new options
> were attractive to me as well. I've seen my Pleco resting on the
> waterfall area of my Whisper (half out of the water) a few times and
> this was making me nervous. Here is my initial comparison of the
> Whisper J and the AC 150.
>
> The external physical size of the two power filters is almost
> identical. The flow rating of the AC is much higher than the old
> Whisper J so this is surprising. A checked a new Whisper 20 when I
> bought the AC 150. The Whisper 20 is rated at 125 gph and its
> physical size is much bigger than the AC 150.
>
> The Whisper J uses the smallest BioBags and they are pretty small.
> The amount of "Ultra-Activated" carbon in the packs that come with the
> BioBags is very small. The sponge for the AC 150 seemed fairly big &
> dense and I like the idea if reusability. The carbon pack is huge
> compared to the Whisper J carbon bag! I bought an extra AC 150 sponge
> and I plan to stack 2 of them below the carbon after I get comfortable
> with the filter.
>
> The intake tube length on the old Whisper J is actually a little bit
> longer than the intake tube on the AC 150 (with just one strainer
> attached). The difference is less than ¼", but this was surprising to
> me since the AC 150 is supposed to be for up to 30 gallons while the
> Whisper J is only for up to 10 gallons. The AC 150 strainer has fewer
> holes than the Whisper strainer, but the holes are larger then the
> Whisper holes. This might be bad for my Neons.

Running an AC150 on a 30g tank might be a bit ambitious, unless the fish
were small or the tank lightly loaded. Filters don't care about how much
water there is in a tank. Their efficiency is a function of the amount
of detritus and liquid waste there is, and that depends on fish load and
more precisely, the amount of food you drop into a tank. Manufacturers
make their filter capcity estimates on what they think would be a nominal
load for that size tank. Experience adjusts that according to the total
mass of the fish-load and how much safety margin we want to operate with.

Recognizing that safety margin is a more important factor for new
hobbyists, the Hagen starter kits come with oversized filters. The Mini
does their 10g and the AC150 does their 20g. This is a good example to
follow. Pick the next model up.

> It is obvious that the AC 150 has more suction power at the intake
> tube strainer. It is clearly pulling in more stuff than the Whisper J
> did. I can see foreign matter flying towards the intake at further
> distances than I saw with the Whisper J. I picked up a medium sized
> ball of junk I found under a tank rock and put it near the intake tube
> and it got quickly sucked right up no problem. It looks like it will
> pick up more foreign matter, but I hope it does not suck up a Neon. I
> put my finger on the intake tube of the AC 150 and it does not feel
> like there is major suction down there so the Neons might be ok.

I have always had doubts that a filter could snag a healthy adult fish.
Dead fish, dying fish, weak fish, yes, but a healthy fish? I'm somewhat
sceptical.

> The AC 150 kind of drops the output water down into the tank while the
> Whisper shot it across the top of the tank. With the Whisper I could
> see the current breaking at the front glass at the top of the tank.
> When the filter got dirty I could see this current getting weaker. I
> do not get the same kind of current flow across the top with the AC
> 150 but it looks like the water flow coming out of the AC 150 is at
> least as much as I got out of the Whisper J. The AC 150 just drops it
> down and the current goes towards the bottom of the tank. This may
> help to agitate dirt at the bottom. My medium guppies were already
> playing in the AC150 current.

Raising the tank water level makes the waterfall sound decrease, and it
flows more across the surface. Some people like the waterfall, and keep
the tank level lower. This can be a problem with re-starting the filter
after a power failure, as the impeller chamber is not that much lower.
This affects the Mini more, but also the AC150 to a lesser degree.

> The AC 150 is noisier than my Whisper J and it is a pretty big
> difference. The build quality of the Whisper is obviously better.
> The Whisper uses a strong but pliable black plastic while the AC 150
> uses a hard and brittle plastic. I cracked my first AC 150 when I
> tried to install the intake tube (I returned the AC 150 and got
> another one). The way in which the intake attaches to the AC150 is a
> very poor design. It is difficult to snap the tube on and off and it
> looks like it will be something that will break (again). The Whisper
> intake tube just easily drops right into the filter body without any
> hassles. The Whisper tube is also built with a more durable plastic.
> I like the remove and clean the tube when I do my monthly maintenance
> and I hope that this does not become a problem.

I sometimes find the cover rattles on these filters. I don't notice any
other special noise, but where I want silence, I use canisters. These
are mass produced filters, and you should probably find that they are the
least expensive. Considering their cost, they are workhorses. Other
than running them dry, the impellers/pumps are extremely long lived, and
the media chambers are expansive and well designed. It is an entry level
product, which many hobbyists continue using in various applications
because they are functional.

> The water level inside the AC 150 is pretty high. Even with a brand
> new media setup the height of the water inside the filter is certainly
> higher than what I got in the Whisper. I can see how some people have
> experienced overflow problems. When the media clogged on my Whisper
> the water spilled over the front of the intake tube and went back into
> the tank. The water never rose near the back of the filter. I am not
> sure that this is true with the AC 150 and I am a bit worried about
> this.

In theory, any blockage causing overflow would come from the impeller
cavity and flow back into the tank. This is a good thing. Make sure the
filter is angled slightly forward, tilting towards the tank. Depending
on the thickness of the plastic trim on your tank, the filter might want
to lean backwards. Some AC models use a little tab on the motor housing,
or a removable adjustable tab on the filter case to adjust the lean
towards the tank. It's very important to adjust this correctly. These
little tabs are a bit too fragile looking for my tastes, but we pound
AC's to death at work. For home use, adjust it once and check it
occasionally, like right after servicing it. I think this is only a
problem with the smallest ACs. I never noticed this hazard on the AC300
or AC500.

> It looks like there is a high chance of water bypassing the media in
> the AC 150. The water level in the intake tube section rises up above
> the media level in the media box and it looks like it could easily
> just bypass the media and drop out the waterfall area. The laws of
> physics might actually prevent this from happening due to the pressure
> differences between the intake box and the media box caused by the
> impeller and the motion of the water around it. I am not sure about
> this, but there is a clear path that would allow it to happen if the
> pressures allowed it. The "re-circulation grid" also provides a path
> that would allow water to flow from the intake section to the top of
> the media basket, thus bypassing all filtration. I think the pressure
> in the intake & filter boxes causes water to flow from the top of the
> filter basket to the intake area for re-circulation and additional
> filtering. Again, I am not sure about that. The filter setup on the
> Whisper does not really allow media bypass until the media clog and
> the water starts to flow over the font of the intake tube and back
> into the tank. When the Whisper is clean there is no chance of media
> bypass. This may not be the case with the AC 150.
>
> The bottom line is I am not sure about this new filter. I will hold
> final judgment until I see how well filters. I also need to make sure
> it does not suck up a Neon or get close to overflowing.

I wish you were around when filters didn't have magnetically held
impellers, and used air driven outflows. When the magnetic impeller was
invented, they originally pushed water into the tank, and you relied on
several tubes to keep up with the suction. The idea of a filter straight
off a store shelf and plugged in without modifications is actually quite
recent in the history of fish-keeping. You would've had a field day in
your critiques then ;~)

Seriously though, everyone gets accustomed to the intricacies and
eccentricies of the filter systems they have become accustomed to. My
advice is to become familiar with their features, both good & bad, to be
able to avoid accidents, and to get the best value out of them (you might
need to change some of your habits). I wish there was a Consumers
Reports for stuff like filters, professionally done with the proper
controls and procedures. That would be interesting to read.

NetMax

Computer Prog
March 1st 04, 06:22 PM
I have been using the AC 150 for about 2 weeks now and the media is
still flowing strong. The water level went up a little bit in the
media basket but it is still well below what I would consider a max
water level. My Whisper Jr media would have been heavily taxed after
this much usage, but the AC 150 media is still good. I can still see
it pulling in much more floating material than my Whisper Jr did.

All in The Whisper JR to the AC150 was a good upgrade for me.