Female Betta with missing ventral fin

[Lady Samsara]

I have a Female Betta in a 10 gallon community tank with 1 Leopard
Danios and 2 Snails. I just noticed one of her ventral fins is
missing...all I can see is what looks like the bottom of it still
attached to her body. There is no fungus or fin rot on her, and no
other trauma noted. Water params are fine...0ppm ammonia, 0ppm
nitrites, 5ppm nitrates. I have seen anal fins damaged/missing in my
male Bettas and wonder if she got it caught on something in the tank.
Do ventral fins grow back? She seems fine...I am really just curious
what might have caused this.

As always, any input is greatly appreciated!

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>From: (Lady Samsara)
>Date: 2/19/2004 10:55 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>I have a Female Betta in a 10 gallon community tank with 1 Leopard
>Danios and 2 Snails. I just noticed one of her ventral fins is
>missing...all I can see is what looks like the bottom of it still
>attached to her body. There is no fungus or fin rot on her, and no
>other trauma noted. Water params are fine...0ppm ammonia, 0ppm
>nitrites, 5ppm nitrates. I have seen anal fins damaged/missing in my
>male Bettas and wonder if she got it caught on something in the tank.
>Do ventral fins grow back? She seems fine...I am really just curious
>what might have caused this.
>
>As always, any input is greatly appreciated!
>

It'll grow back. = )
Bettas were given wonderful healing abilities.
Just watch for any secondary problems, such as fungus or bacterial infection.
The majority of the time you won't even have to do anything extra for
her.....that is unless she was being bitten by an aggressive tank mate.
I have heard Danios can be both fine or nippy with Bettas, but I have no
experience at all with Danios (I don't care for fish that just swim back and
forth all day long without reason, and prefer "thinking" fish, such as Bettas).
Watch for sharp edges on plastic plants or decor.

[blove]

gouramis and bettas rarely get along because they are of the same family.
danios are nippers so he might have attacked her. just make sure the water
parameters stay good and her fin should grow back, you can isolate her with
a divider to insure it grows back untouched or u can put her in a bowl and
medicate her with bettafix. its basically a diluted form of melafix cuz
melafix is too strong for labyinth fish and it makes things grow back fast.
"Lady Samsara" > wrote in message
om...
> I have a Female Betta in a 10 gallon community tank with 1 Leopard
> Danios and 2 Snails. I just noticed one of her ventral fins is
> missing...all I can see is what looks like the bottom of it still
> attached to her body. There is no fungus or fin rot on her, and no
> other trauma noted. Water params are fine...0ppm ammonia, 0ppm
> nitrites, 5ppm nitrates. I have seen anal fins damaged/missing in my
> male Bettas and wonder if she got it caught on something in the tank.
> Do ventral fins grow back? She seems fine...I am really just curious
> what might have caused this.
>
> As always, any input is greatly appreciated!

[Lady Samsara]

"blove" > wrote in message >...
> gouramis and bettas rarely get along because they are of the same family.
> danios are nippers so he might have attacked her. just make sure the water
> parameters stay good and her fin should grow back, you can isolate her with
> a divider to insure it grows back untouched or u can put her in a bowl and
> medicate her with bettafix. its basically a diluted form of melafix cuz
> melafix is too strong for labyinth fish and it makes things grow back fast.
> "Lady Samsara" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I have a Female Betta in a 10 gallon community tank with 1 Leopard
> > Danios and 2 Snails. I just noticed one of her ventral fins is
> > missing...all I can see is what looks like the bottom of it still
> > attached to her body. There is no fungus or fin rot on her, and no
> > other trauma noted. Water params are fine...0ppm ammonia, 0ppm
> > nitrites, 5ppm nitrates. I have seen anal fins damaged/missing in my
> > male Bettas and wonder if she got it caught on something in the tank.
> > Do ventral fins grow back? She seems fine...I am really just curious
> > what might have caused this.
> >
> > As always, any input is greatly appreciated!

Thank you for the information! I suspected one of the Danios and I
think that's the answer to the mystery.

I will keep a close eye on her...Thanks again!

[TYNK 7]

(snipped)
>Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>From: "blove"
>Date: 2/20/2004 9:30 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >

>gouramis and bettas rarely get along because they are of the same family.

I did not see any mention of a Gourami being in the tank. Only Danios and a
snail.

[Lady Samsara]

(TYNK 7) wrote in message >...
> (snipped)
> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
> >From: "blove"
> >Date: 2/20/2004 9:30 AM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
>
> >gouramis and bettas rarely get along because they are of the same family.
>
> I did not see any mention of a Gourami being in the tank. Only Danios and a
> snail.

Hi TYNK....You are correct...I posted a separate question here about
possibly adding a pair of Gouramis to this tank, and I think the
poster probably thought I already had them in the tank. The girl
still seems fine and I am hoping it is an isolated incident. Thanks
again for all of the help!

[Marakani Srikant]

On 20 Feb 2004 15:20:18 GMT, TYNK 7 > wrote:
>>Subject: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>>From: (Lady Samsara)
>>Date: 2/19/2004 10:55 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>I have a Female Betta in a 10 gallon community tank with 1 Leopard
>>Danios and 2 Snails. I just noticed one of her ventral fins is
>>missing...all I can see is what looks like the bottom of it still
>>attached to her body. There is no fungus or fin rot on her, and no
>>other trauma noted. Water params are fine...0ppm ammonia, 0ppm
>>nitrites, 5ppm nitrates. I have seen anal fins damaged/missing in my
>>male Bettas and wonder if she got it caught on something in the tank.
>>Do ventral fins grow back? She seems fine...I am really just curious
>>what might have caused this.
>>
>>As always, any input is greatly appreciated!
>>
>
> It'll grow back. = ) Bettas were given wonderful healing abilities.
> Just watch for any secondary problems, such as fungus or bacterial
> infection. The majority of the time you won't even have to do anything
> extra for her.....that is unless she was being bitten by an aggressive
> tank mate. I have heard Danios can be both fine or nippy with Bettas,
> but I have no experience at all with Danios (I don't care for fish
> that just swim back and forth all day long without reason, and prefer
> "thinking" fish, such as Bettas). Watch for sharp edges on plastic
> plants or decor.

I find this interesting because I set up a 10g tank last week with six
zebra danios (about 1 in. each) and a small royal blue female betta
(about 1.5 in) which I have named Amphitrite. I had heard that zebras
are very peaceful fish and too fast to be attacked (too fast for me to
observe properly too!) so I thought it should be fine to put them
together. While she swims around, she has seemed somewhat stressed by
the move and maybe by the danios who mostly ignore her but tend to
snatch food away before she can get to it or even directly from her -
there is simply no contest in their speeds. She also seems rather picky
about food spitting out the Tetramin tropical flakes and Wardley betta
food (which I have read is pretty bad but is the only betta food at my
lfs apart from bloodworms - I ordered some Hikari betta bio-gold but it
will take a week or so for it to get here). She also mostly ignores
shrimp pellets which I tried because she seems to spend a lot of time
going through the gravel which seems odd for a betta. She does eat the
frozen bloodworms which I feed them once every two days. Her colour has
also been varying in intensity over the week.

Water parameters are ok - 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites, 30-40ppm nitrates (a
bit high due to my mistake of not changing the water after finishing the
cycling - doing 25% water changes every 3 days now), somewhat high pH of
8.0 (pH of tap water here which is the same as the lfs where the fish
seem to be doing fine), KH - 7dH (still haven't got a GH kit). I have
also added 1.5 tbsp of aquarium salt to the water. I am keeping the
temperature at 79 degrees.

On the positive side, she is swimming about reasonably actively and when
I turn on the bubble curtain, she loves playing in the bubbles. There is
also no fin or other damage. The part well (not immediately) below the
mouth has become rather white but not cottony, just the scales are much
whiter than before - this seems to have happened to the zebras as well.
You are clearly right in that the zebras are not that interesting except
for providing a lot of movement in the tank.

I am mainly worried about her spitting out food almost all the time
though hopefully it will get solved once I get the betta bio-gold.

Srikant

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>From: Marakani Srikant
>Date: 2/22/2004 3:26 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 20 Feb 2004 15:20:18 GMT, TYNK 7 > wrote:
>>>Subject: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>>>From: (Lady Samsara)
>>>Date: 2/19/2004 10:55 PM Central Standard Time
>>>Message-id: >
>>>
>>>I have a Female Betta in a 10 gallon community tank with 1 Leopard
>>>Danios and 2 Snails. I just noticed one of her ventral fins is
>>>missing...all I can see is what looks like the bottom of it still
>>>attached to her body. There is no fungus or fin rot on her, and no
>>>other trauma noted. Water params are fine...0ppm ammonia, 0ppm
>>>nitrites, 5ppm nitrates. I have seen anal fins damaged/missing in my
>>>male Bettas and wonder if she got it caught on something in the tank.
>>>Do ventral fins grow back? She seems fine...I am really just curious
>>>what might have caused this.
>>>
>>>As always, any input is greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>
>> It'll grow back. = ) Bettas were given wonderful healing abilities.
>> Just watch for any secondary problems, such as fungus or bacterial
>> infection. The majority of the time you won't even have to do anything
>> extra for her.....that is unless she was being bitten by an aggressive
>> tank mate. I have heard Danios can be both fine or nippy with Bettas,
>> but I have no experience at all with Danios (I don't care for fish
>> that just swim back and forth all day long without reason, and prefer
>> "thinking" fish, such as Bettas). Watch for sharp edges on plastic
>> plants or decor.
>
>I find this interesting because I set up a 10g tank last week with six
>zebra danios (about 1 in. each) and a small royal blue female betta
>(about 1.5 in) which I have named Amphitrite. I had heard that zebras
>are very peaceful fish and too fast to be attacked (too fast for me to
>observe properly too!) so I thought it should be fine to put them
>together. While she swims around, she has seemed somewhat stressed by
>the move and maybe by the danios who mostly ignore her but tend to
>snatch food away before she can get to it or even directly from her -
>there is simply no contest in their speeds. She also seems rather picky
>about food spitting out the Tetramin tropical flakes and Wardley betta
>food (which I have read is pretty bad but is the only betta food at my
>lfs apart from bloodworms - I ordered some Hikari betta bio-gold but it
>will take a week or so for it to get here). She also mostly ignores
>shrimp pellets which I tried because she seems to spend a lot of time
>going through the gravel which seems odd for a betta. She does eat the
>frozen bloodworms which I feed them once every two days. Her colour has
>also been varying in intensity over the week.
>
>Water parameters are ok - 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites, 30-40ppm nitrates (a
>bit high due to my mistake of not changing the water after finishing the
>cycling - doing 25% water changes every 3 days now), somewhat high pH of
>8.0 (pH of tap water here which is the same as the lfs where the fish
>seem to be doing fine), KH - 7dH (still haven't got a GH kit). I have
>also added 1.5 tbsp of aquarium salt to the water. I am keeping the
>temperature at 79 degrees.
>
>On the positive side, she is swimming about reasonably actively and when
>I turn on the bubble curtain, she loves playing in the bubbles. There is
>also no fin or other damage. The part well (not immediately) below the
>mouth has become rather white but not cottony, just the scales are much
>whiter than before - this seems to have happened to the zebras as well.
>You are clearly right in that the zebras are not that interesting except
>for providing a lot of movement in the tank.
>
>I am mainly worried about her spitting out food almost all the time
>though hopefully it will get solved once I get the betta bio-gold.
>
>Srikant
>
Well, you already know you must keep up with your water changes.
As for your lil lady:
If you have frozen Bloddworms, that should be fed at least once daily. I have
always had a 2 feedings per day routine, and also recommend it.
These feeding are smaller, not the same as if only feeding once per day.
I give about 3-4 Bloodworms per Betta, per meal. Their other meal of the day
would consist of either Betta Bio Gold or a good quality flake.
Bettas are carnivores and want meat.
The reason they spit flake so often and other pelleted foods is because it's
simply nasty (in their eyes). It would be like trying to get a caged Tiger to
eat a prepaired, dried pellet form of meat.
It's just not going to want it.
I do also feed frozen Brine Shrimp, just try to stay away from freeze dried
foods..even freeze dried Bloodworms, as too much freeze dried foods can cause
constipation.

[Marakani Srikant]

On 23 Feb 2004 15:32:50 GMT, TYNK 7 > wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>>From: Marakani Srikant
>>Date: 2/22/2004 3:26 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>On 20 Feb 2004 15:20:18 GMT, TYNK 7 > wrote:
>>>>Subject: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>>>>From: (Lady Samsara)
>>>>Date: 2/19/2004 10:55 PM Central Standard Time
>>>>Message-id: >
>>>>
>>>>I have a Female Betta in a 10 gallon community tank with 1 Leopard
>>>>Danios and 2 Snails. I just noticed one of her ventral fins is
>>>>missing...all I can see is what looks like the bottom of it still
>>>>attached to her body. There is no fungus or fin rot on her, and no
>>>>other trauma noted. Water params are fine...0ppm ammonia, 0ppm
>>>>nitrites, 5ppm nitrates. I have seen anal fins damaged/missing in my
>>>>male Bettas and wonder if she got it caught on something in the tank.
>>>>Do ventral fins grow back? She seems fine...I am really just curious
>>>>what might have caused this.
>>>>
>>>>As always, any input is greatly appreciated!
>>>>
>>>
>>> It'll grow back. = ) Bettas were given wonderful healing abilities.
>>> Just watch for any secondary problems, such as fungus or bacterial
>>> infection. The majority of the time you won't even have to do anything
>>> extra for her.....that is unless she was being bitten by an aggressive
>>> tank mate. I have heard Danios can be both fine or nippy with Bettas,
>>> but I have no experience at all with Danios (I don't care for fish
>>> that just swim back and forth all day long without reason, and prefer
>>> "thinking" fish, such as Bettas). Watch for sharp edges on plastic
>>> plants or decor.
>>
>>I find this interesting because I set up a 10g tank last week with six
>>zebra danios (about 1 in. each) and a small royal blue female betta
>>(about 1.5 in) which I have named Amphitrite. I had heard that zebras
>>are very peaceful fish and too fast to be attacked (too fast for me to
>>observe properly too!) so I thought it should be fine to put them
>>together. While she swims around, she has seemed somewhat stressed by
>>the move and maybe by the danios who mostly ignore her but tend to
>>snatch food away before she can get to it or even directly from her -
>>there is simply no contest in their speeds. She also seems rather picky
>>about food spitting out the Tetramin tropical flakes and Wardley betta
>>food (which I have read is pretty bad but is the only betta food at my
>>lfs apart from bloodworms - I ordered some Hikari betta bio-gold but it
>>will take a week or so for it to get here). She also mostly ignores
>>shrimp pellets which I tried because she seems to spend a lot of time
>>going through the gravel which seems odd for a betta. She does eat the
>>frozen bloodworms which I feed them once every two days. Her colour has
>>also been varying in intensity over the week.
>>
>>Water parameters are ok - 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites, 30-40ppm nitrates (a
>>bit high due to my mistake of not changing the water after finishing the
>>cycling - doing 25% water changes every 3 days now), somewhat high pH of
>>8.0 (pH of tap water here which is the same as the lfs where the fish
>>seem to be doing fine), KH - 7dH (still haven't got a GH kit). I have
>>also added 1.5 tbsp of aquarium salt to the water. I am keeping the
>>temperature at 79 degrees.
>>
>>On the positive side, she is swimming about reasonably actively and when
>>I turn on the bubble curtain, she loves playing in the bubbles. There is
>>also no fin or other damage. The part well (not immediately) below the
>>mouth has become rather white but not cottony, just the scales are much
>>whiter than before - this seems to have happened to the zebras as well.
>>You are clearly right in that the zebras are not that interesting except
>>for providing a lot of movement in the tank.
>>
>>I am mainly worried about her spitting out food almost all the time
>>though hopefully it will get solved once I get the betta bio-gold.
>>
>>Srikant
>>
> Well, you already know you must keep up with your water changes. As for
> your lil lady: If you have frozen Bloddworms, that should be fed at
> least once daily. I have always had a 2 feedings per day routine, and
> also recommend it. These feeding are smaller, not the same as if only
> feeding once per day. I give about 3-4 Bloodworms per Betta, per meal.

Oh, I have been giving them far too many bloodworms then when I do give
them those. I got frozen ones from the lfs and the first time I fed them,
I thawed an entire cube of them which I soon realized even with my
untrained eye was too much. Since then, I have been using half to feed
them and the other half for my roommate's goldfish. But even half a cube
is a lot of worms (the zebras happily have them too). I can increase the
frequency and use lesser each time. Cutting the cubes is a bit of a
hassle though, can I thaw a cube and refrigerate the rest and use it over
the next few days?

Also, I was looking at a few betta websites yesterday and from
http://www.bettatalk.com/food.htm, it looks like my betta is somewhere
between normal and obese! And to think I was so worried that it was
hungry.

I still have to get the hang of how much is enough food for the fish.

Srikant

> Their other meal of the day would consist of either Betta Bio Gold or a
> good quality flake. Bettas are carnivores and want meat. The reason
> they spit flake so often and other pelleted foods is because it's
> simply nasty (in their eyes). It would be like trying to get a caged
> Tiger to eat a prepaired, dried pellet form of meat. It's just not
> going to want it. I do also feed frozen Brine Shrimp, just try to stay
> away from freeze dried foods..even freeze dried Bloodworms, as too much
> freeze dried foods can cause constipation.

[TYNK 7]

(snipped)
>Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>From: Marakani Srikant
>Date: 2/23/2004 1:05 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >

>Oh, I have been giving them far too many bloodworms then when I do give
>them those. I got frozen ones from the lfs and the first time I fed them,
>I thawed an entire cube of them which I soon realized even with my
>untrained eye was too much. Since then, I have been using half to feed
>them and the other half for my

>roommate's goldfish. But even half a cube
>is a lot of worms (the zebras happily have them too). I can increase the
>frequency and use lesser each time. Cutting the cubes is a bit of a
>hassle though, can I thaw a cube and refrigerate the rest and use it over
>the next few days?

You cannot save thawed-frozen foods.
In your case (not enough fish to eat even a half cube of Frozen Blood Worms), I
would suggest buying Hikari's flat pack of Bloodworms.
Oh..I -prefer the Hikari frozen foods...much cleaner and plumper wormies. = )

[www.docsbettas.com]

"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
> (snipped)
> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
> >From: Marakani Srikant
> >Date: 2/23/2004 1:05 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id:
>
>
> >Oh, I have been giving them far too many bloodworms then when I do give
> >them those. I got frozen ones from the lfs and the first time I fed them,
> >I thawed an entire cube of them which I soon realized even with my
> >untrained eye was too much. Since then, I have been using half to feed
> >them and the other half for my
>
> >roommate's goldfish. But even half a cube
> >is a lot of worms (the zebras happily have them too). I can increase the
> >frequency and use lesser each time. Cutting the cubes is a bit of a
> >hassle though, can I thaw a cube and refrigerate the rest and use it over
> >the next few days?
>
> You cannot save thawed-frozen foods.
> In your case (not enough fish to eat even a half cube of Frozen Blood
Worms), I
> would suggest buying Hikari's flat pack of Bloodworms.
> Oh..I -prefer the Hikari frozen foods...much cleaner and plumper wormies.
= )

Heres a idea...
I do this myself with frozen foods if I cant use all I thaw. Works great
with blood worms and plankton...

I use a squeeze bottle such as a start right or old medication bottle. After
rinsing the food, I put it in the bottle with clean water
and just squeeze in what I need then put the rest in the fridge for next
feeding.
You can also use a eye dropper or syringe to suck it up and put it in the
tank...save the rest in the fridge.

If you use a squeeze bottle, you can refreeze the bottle...just run it under
warm water to rethaw.

Works every thime for me.

Doc
www.docsbettas.com

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>From: "www.docsbettas.com"
>Date: 2/27/2004 3:44 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
>> (snipped)
>> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>> >From: Marakani Srikant
>> >Date: 2/23/2004 1:05 PM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id:
>
>>
>> >Oh, I have been giving them far too many bloodworms then when I do give
>> >them those. I got frozen ones from the lfs and the first time I fed them,
>> >I thawed an entire cube of them which I soon realized even with my
>> >untrained eye was too much. Since then, I have been using half to feed
>> >them and the other half for my
>>
>> >roommate's goldfish. But even half a cube
>> >is a lot of worms (the zebras happily have them too). I can increase the
>> >frequency and use lesser each time. Cutting the cubes is a bit of a
>> >hassle though, can I thaw a cube and refrigerate the rest and use it over
>> >the next few days?
>>
>> You cannot save thawed-frozen foods.
>> In your case (not enough fish to eat even a half cube of Frozen Blood
>Worms), I
>> would suggest buying Hikari's flat pack of Bloodworms.
>> Oh..I -prefer the Hikari frozen foods...much cleaner and plumper wormies.
>= )
>
>Heres a idea...
>I do this myself with frozen foods if I cant use all I thaw. Works great
>with blood worms and plankton...
>
>I use a squeeze bottle such as a start right or old medication bottle. After
>rinsing the food, I put it in the bottle with clean water
>and just squeeze in what I need then put the rest in the fridge for next
>feeding.
>You can also use a eye dropper or syringe to suck it up and put it in the
>tank...save the rest in the fridge.
>
>If you use a squeeze bottle, you can refreeze the bottle...just run it under
>warm water to rethaw.
>
>Works every thime for me.
>
>Doc
>www.docsbettas.com

You're not supposed to refreeze or save thawed foods in the frige.

[www.docsbettas.com]

"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
> >From: "www.docsbettas.com"
> >Date: 2/27/2004 3:44 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> (snipped)
> >> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
> >> >From: Marakani Srikant
> >> >Date: 2/23/2004 1:05 PM Central Standard Time
> >> >Message-id:
> >
> >>
> >> >Oh, I have been giving them far too many bloodworms then when I do
give
> >> >them those. I got frozen ones from the lfs and the first time I fed
them,
> >> >I thawed an entire cube of them which I soon realized even with my
> >> >untrained eye was too much. Since then, I have been using half to
feed
> >> >them and the other half for my
> >>
> >> >roommate's goldfish. But even half a cube
> >> >is a lot of worms (the zebras happily have them too). I can increase
the
> >> >frequency and use lesser each time. Cutting the cubes is a bit of a
> >> >hassle though, can I thaw a cube and refrigerate the rest and use it
over
> >> >the next few days?
> >>
> >> You cannot save thawed-frozen foods.
> >> In your case (not enough fish to eat even a half cube of Frozen Blood
> >Worms), I
> >> would suggest buying Hikari's flat pack of Bloodworms.
> >> Oh..I -prefer the Hikari frozen foods...much cleaner and plumper
wormies.
> >= )
> >
> >Heres a idea...
> >I do this myself with frozen foods if I cant use all I thaw. Works great
> >with blood worms and plankton...
> >
> >I use a squeeze bottle such as a start right or old medication bottle.
After
> >rinsing the food, I put it in the bottle with clean water
> >and just squeeze in what I need then put the rest in the fridge for next
> >feeding.
> >You can also use a eye dropper or syringe to suck it up and put it in the
> >tank...save the rest in the fridge.
> >
> >If you use a squeeze bottle, you can refreeze the bottle...just run it
under
> >warm water to rethaw.
> >
> >Works every thime for me.
> >
> >Doc
> >www.docsbettas.com
>
> You're not supposed to refreeze or save thawed foods in the frige.
>

Been doin it for 30+ yrs bro..If its only enuff for a day it wont hurt a
thing. If its 1 fish your feeding and you use say, a whole cube of brine
shrimp...it wont hurt it to refreeze it once or twice or put it in the
fridge. 1 fish can eat a cube of brine in 2 days...
wont hurt a thing. Put it in the fridge.
I feed thousands of bettas a day so I dont often have leftovers but, when
I'm feeding something special to some and have some leftover, I'll pop that
'lill bottle right in the fridge quicker an you can blink an eye.
Its one of those things you use common sense about bro. Dont leave something
in there for a week and expect to feed it to your fish. Dont leave it out on
the counter for a couple of days...unless you want a really smelly mess.
Refreezing it wont hurt it. How can it?

[GloFish]

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 05:11:23 GMT, "www.docsbettas.com"
> wrote:


>> You're not supposed to refreeze or save thawed foods in the frige.
>>

When talking human food safety, this _can_ be true.

When we thaw foods, and refreeze, the food becomes more suseptable to
"freezer burn" Freezer burn is caused when food isn't wrapped
properly, or is re-frozen. The food looses some of the mosture in it,
it becomes dehydrated. We see this in ice crystals outside the food.

Thawing frozen food, and temporarily storing it in the fridge while
doling it out has no negative affect. Anything negative happened
while in the freezer. The reason we have this "rule" is the normal
thawing process. Mot people thaw on the counter, or under running
water. Leaving food out to thaw allows bacteria to grow.

Modern food safety rules only allow food to remain out in the
"temperature danger zone" (40 - 140F) for four hours. This timer
starts as soon as the food is processed. Looking at that nice hunk of
steak that we Americans are so fond of... this timer starts from the
moment the steer is slaughtered. and continues untill the beef is
cooked to a temperature greater than 140F for at least 30 seconds.
Then it starts again.

If you take frozen fish food cubes, chop it up into manageable sizes
(for those of us with only a few fish) and place the cubes back into
the freezer or place it into the fridge, it will be fine. Leaving it
in the fridge for a few days, it will be fine, as long as the
temperature remains below 40F.

Hope this helps.....


Tony

[TYNK 7]

(Snipped)


>Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>From: "www.docsbettas.com"
>Date: 2/28/2004 11:11 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
>> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>> >From: "www.docsbettas.com"
>> >Date: 2/27/2004 3:44 PM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >
>> >"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> (snipped)
>> >> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>> >> >From: Marakani Srikant
>> >> >Date: 2/23/2004 1:05 PM Central Standard Time
>> >> >Message-id:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >Oh, I have been giving them far too many bloodworms then when I do
>give
>> >> >them those. I got frozen ones from the lfs and the first time I fed
>them,
>> >> >I thawed an entire cube of them which I soon realized even with my
>> >> >untrained eye was too much. Since then, I have been using half to
>feed
>> >> >them and the other half for my
>> >>
>> >> >roommate's goldfish. But even half a cube
>> >> >is a lot of worms (the zebras happily have them too). I can increase
>the
>> >> >frequency and use lesser each time. Cutting the cubes is a bit of a
>> >> >hassle though, can I thaw a cube and refrigerate the rest and use it
>over
>> >> >the next few days?
>> >>
>> >> You cannot save thawed-frozen foods.
>> >> In your case (not enough fish to eat even a half cube of Frozen Blood
>> >Worms), I
>> >> would suggest buying Hikari's flat pack of Bloodworms.
>> >> Oh..I -prefer the Hikari frozen foods...much cleaner and plumper
>wormies.
>> >= )
>> >
>> >Heres a idea...
>> >I do this myself with frozen foods if I cant use all I thaw. Works great
>> >with blood worms and plankton...
>> >
>> >I use a squeeze bottle such as a start right or old medication bottle.
>After
>> >rinsing the food, I put it in the bottle with clean water
>> >and just squeeze in what I need then put the rest in the fridge for next
>> >feeding.
>> >You can also use a eye dropper or syringe to suck it up and put it in the
>> >tank...save the rest in the fridge.
>> >
>> >If you use a squeeze bottle, you can refreeze the bottle...just run it
>under
>> >warm water to rethaw.
>> >
>> >Works every thime for me.
>> >
>> >Doc
>> >www.docsbettas.com
>>
>> You're not supposed to refreeze or save thawed foods in the frige.
>>
>
>Been doin it for 30+ yrs bro

>Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>From: "www.docsbettas.com"
>Date: 2/28/2004 11:11 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
>> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>> >From: "www.docsbettas.com"
>> >Date: 2/27/2004 3:44 PM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >
>> >"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> (snipped)
>> >> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
>> >> >From: Marakani Srikant
>> >> >Date: 2/23/2004 1:05 PM Central Standard Time
>> >> >Message-id:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >Oh, I have been giving them far too many bloodworms then when I do
>give
>> >> >them those. I got frozen ones from the lfs and the first time I fed
>them,
>> >> >I thawed an entire cube of them which I soon realized even with my
>> >> >untrained eye was too much. Since then, I have been using half to
>feed
>> >> >them and the other half for my
>> >>
>> >> >roommate's goldfish. But even half a cube
>> >> >is a lot of worms (the zebras happily have them too). I can increase
>the
>> >> >frequency and use lesser each time. Cutting the cubes is a bit of a
>> >> >hassle though, can I thaw a cube and refrigerate the rest and use it
>over
>> >> >the next few days?
>> >>
>> >> You cannot save thawed-frozen foods.
>> >> In your case (not enough fish to eat even a half cube of Frozen Blood
>> >Worms), I
>> >> would suggest buying Hikari's flat pack of Bloodworms.
>> >> Oh..I -prefer the Hikari frozen foods...much cleaner and plumper
>wormies.
>> >= )
>> >
>> >Heres a idea...
>> >I do this myself with frozen foods if I cant use all I thaw. Works great
>> >with blood worms and plankton...
>> >
>> >I use a squeeze bottle such as a start right or old medication bottle.
>After
>> >rinsing the food, I put it in the bottle with clean water
>> >and just squeeze in what I need then put the rest in the fridge for next
>> >feeding.
>> >You can also use a eye dropper or syringe to suck it up and put it in the
>> >tank...save the rest in the fridge.
>> >
>> >If you use a squeeze bottle, you can refreeze the bottle...just run it
>under
>> >warm water to rethaw.
>> >
>> >Works every thime for me.
>> >
>> >Doc
>> >www.docsbettas.com
>>
>> You're not supposed to refreeze or save thawed foods in the frige.
>>
>
>Been doin it for 30+ yrs bro

Bro?
Why would you assume "Tynk" would be a guy?

>.If its only enuff for a day it wont hurt a
>thing.

You didn't add that to your post. New folks to the hobby come and read all the
time. Try not to forget that and explain things in totalo, not just part. = )

> 1 fish can eat a cube of brine in 2 days..

Well, I don't agree with that at all.
A Guppy, Neon or Betta, etc cannot eat nor should they, eat an entire cube of
Brine in 2 days.
Unless you're finding itty bitty cubes out there.

>Refreezing it wont hurt it. How can it?

It's what's always has been told (for 26 I have heard this), manufactor
reccommedations tell you not to, and there are some things that you should not
refreeze after thawing...Such as Chicken, etc....why would this be any
different?

[www.docsbettas.com]

"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
>
> (Snipped)
>
>
> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
> >From: "www.docsbettas.com"
> >Date: 2/28/2004 11:11 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
> >> >From: "www.docsbettas.com"
> >> >Date: 2/27/2004 3:44 PM Central Standard Time
> >> >Message-id: >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> (snipped)
> >> >> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
> >> >> >From: Marakani Srikant

> >> >> >Date: 2/23/2004 1:05 PM Central Standard Time
> >> >> >Message-id:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> >Oh, I have been giving them far too many bloodworms then when I do
> >give
> >> >> >them those. I got frozen ones from the lfs and the first time I fed
> >them,
> >> >> >I thawed an entire cube of them which I soon realized even with my
> >> >> >untrained eye was too much. Since then, I have been using half to
> >feed
> >> >> >them and the other half for my
> >> >>
> >> >> >roommate's goldfish. But even half a cube
> >> >> >is a lot of worms (the zebras happily have them too). I can
increase
> >the
> >> >> >frequency and use lesser each time. Cutting the cubes is a bit of a
> >> >> >hassle though, can I thaw a cube and refrigerate the rest and use
it
> >over
> >> >> >the next few days?
> >> >>
> >> >> You cannot save thawed-frozen foods.
> >> >> In your case (not enough fish to eat even a half cube of Frozen
Blood
> >> >Worms), I
> >> >> would suggest buying Hikari's flat pack of Bloodworms.
> >> >> Oh..I -prefer the Hikari frozen foods...much cleaner and plumper
> >wormies.
> >> >= )
> >> >
> >> >Heres a idea...
> >> >I do this myself with frozen foods if I cant use all I thaw. Works
great
> >> >with blood worms and plankton...
> >> >
> >> >I use a squeeze bottle such as a start right or old medication bottle.
> >After
> >> >rinsing the food, I put it in the bottle with clean water
> >> >and just squeeze in what I need then put the rest in the fridge for
next
> >> >feeding.
> >> >You can also use a eye dropper or syringe to suck it up and put it in
the
> >> >tank...save the rest in the fridge.
> >> >
> >> >If you use a squeeze bottle, you can refreeze the bottle...just run it
> >under
> >> >warm water to rethaw.
> >> >
> >> >Works every thime for me.
> >> >
> >> >Doc
> >> >www.docsbettas.com
> >>
> >> You're not supposed to refreeze or save thawed foods in the frige.
> >>
> >
> >Been doin it for 30+ yrs bro
>
> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
> >From: "www.docsbettas.com"
> >Date: 2/28/2004 11:11 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
> >> >From: "www.docsbettas.com"
> >> >Date: 2/27/2004 3:44 PM Central Standard Time
> >> >Message-id: >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> (snipped)
> >> >> >Subject: Re: Female Betta with missing ventral fin
> >> >> >From: Marakani Srikant

> >> >> >Date: 2/23/2004 1:05 PM Central Standard Time
> >> >> >Message-id:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> >Oh, I have been giving them far too many bloodworms then when I do
> >give
> >> >> >them those. I got frozen ones from the lfs and the first time I fed
> >them,
> >> >> >I thawed an entire cube of them which I soon realized even with my
> >> >> >untrained eye was too much. Since then, I have been using half to
> >feed
> >> >> >them and the other half for my
> >> >>
> >> >> >roommate's goldfish. But even half a cube
> >> >> >is a lot of worms (the zebras happily have them too). I can
increase
> >the
> >> >> >frequency and use lesser each time. Cutting the cubes is a bit of a
> >> >> >hassle though, can I thaw a cube and refrigerate the rest and use
it
> >over
> >> >> >the next few days?
> >> >>
> >> >> You cannot save thawed-frozen foods.
> >> >> In your case (not enough fish to eat even a half cube of Frozen
Blood
> >> >Worms), I
> >> >> would suggest buying Hikari's flat pack of Bloodworms.
> >> >> Oh..I -prefer the Hikari frozen foods...much cleaner and plumper
> >wormies.
> >> >= )
> >> >
> >> >Heres a idea...
> >> >I do this myself with frozen foods if I cant use all I thaw. Works
great
> >> >with blood worms and plankton...
> >> >
> >> >I use a squeeze bottle such as a start right or old medication bottle.
> >After
> >> >rinsing the food, I put it in the bottle with clean water
> >> >and just squeeze in what I need then put the rest in the fridge for
next
> >> >feeding.
> >> >You can also use a eye dropper or syringe to suck it up and put it in
the
> >> >tank...save the rest in the fridge.
> >> >
> >> >If you use a squeeze bottle, you can refreeze the bottle...just run it
> >under
> >> >warm water to rethaw.
> >> >
> >> >Works every thime for me.
> >> >
> >> >Doc
> >> >www.docsbettas.com
> >>
> >> You're not supposed to refreeze or save thawed foods in the frige.
> >>
> >
> >Been doin it for 30+ yrs bro
>
> Bro?
> Why would you assume "Tynk" would be a guy?
>
> >.If its only enuff for a day it wont hurt a
> >thing.
>
> You didn't add that to your post. New folks to the hobby come and read all
the
> time. Try not to forget that and explain things in totalo, not just part.
= )
>
> > 1 fish can eat a cube of brine in 2 days..
>
> Well, I don't agree with that at all.
> A Guppy, Neon or Betta, etc cannot eat nor should they, eat an entire cube
of
> Brine in 2 days.
> Unless you're finding itty bitty cubes out there.
>
> >Refreezing it wont hurt it. How can it?
>
> It's what's always has been told (for 26 I have heard this), manufactor
> reccommedations tell you not to, and there are some things that you should
not
> refreeze after thawing...Such as Chicken, etc....why would this be any
> different?
>
>

I'm done.

[IDzine01]

> Oh, I have been giving them far too many bloodworms then when I do give
> them those. I got frozen ones from the lfs and the first time I fed them,
> I thawed an entire cube of them which I soon realized even with my
> untrained eye was too much. Since then, I have been using half to feed
> them and the other half for my roommate's goldfish. But even half a cube
> is a lot of worms (the zebras happily have them too). I can increase the
> frequency and use lesser each time. Cutting the cubes is a bit of a
> hassle though, can I thaw a cube and refrigerate the rest and use it over
> the next few days?

Yikes!!!

> Also, I was looking at a few betta websites yesterday and from
> http://www.bettatalk.com/food.htm, it looks like my betta is somewhere
> between normal and obese! And to think I was so worried that it was
> hungry.
>
> I still have to get the hang of how much is enough food for the fish.

Here's a good rule of thumb. A betta's stomach is only as big as his
eyeball and should be fed no more then that size in a feeding. TYNK
was right on with about 3 bloodworms per feeding. Mine get three
bloodworms once a day and are quite healthy and a good size. I'm sure
3 twice a day is fine too.
Also, if you don't like the frozen you could use bloodworms in gel.
(not freeze-dried) The package says to only keep for 24 hours after
opening, but that's just not true. I've spoken to many people who use
this and I keep them about 4 days per package. There are about 16
packages in a box. You can also buy the brine shrimp in gel.

good luck.