Breeding - Taken by Surprise

[Graeme]

Hi All,

On Monday I was taken by surprise when early afternoon I noticed a number of
eggs in my tank, and all 3 goldfish taking part in the mating routine of
chasing the only female. In the tank are 3 goldfish, 1 female Shubunkin, 1
male Comet Goldfish, and 1 Oranda.

I have seen the Shubunkin and Comet acting like they are interested in each
other before, but it has never lead to eggs being laid. However today the
Oranda for the first time was taking part, so maybe he just became ready.
Anyway I removed the eggs from the tank, wasn't many (I think they has eaten
most of them by the time I saw it). They were all over a couple of plastic
plants in the tank.

I placed the eggs into a container with water from the tank. A quick bit of
research suggested I should look for little blank dots forming and remove
any eggs which turn white. I done this and now have a number of eggs, which
look really good. Now they have started to form the tail and are looking
like little fish in the eggs.

Because they are in a container I need to really move them to a better home
before they hatch, I have setup a tank ready with water from the main tank
again. I plan on moving the eggs into this tank. I have been using a
pipette to move the eggs which seems ok.

Should this tank have a filter? I have seen a couple of air driven ones
from Interpet (I am from the UK) which said are safe for fry. Should this
be setup and running before they hatch?

I also have ready some Interpet Liquifry for feeding 3 days after hatching.
I have read you shouldn't have more than 6 inches (15cm) of water in the
tank as the weight of more water may harm the hatching fry - when is the
best time to increase water levels?

Also should I be sucesful, what kind of fish may my fry "turn into", the
mother is a Shubunkin but the father may be either a comet goldfish or
Oranda. Do you normally get a cross breed or a mixture?

Thank you for any help you can give, even though I wasn't ready or even
thought about breeding, I am really excited and hopefully will do my best
for them.

Graeme

[Charles]

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:47:37 -0000, "Graeme" >
wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>On Monday I was taken by surprise when early afternoon I noticed a number of
>eggs in my tank, and all 3 goldfish taking part in the mating routine of
>chasing the only female. In the tank are 3 goldfish, 1 female Shubunkin, 1
>male Comet Goldfish, and 1 Oranda.
>
>I have seen the Shubunkin and Comet acting like they are interested in each
>other before, but it has never lead to eggs being laid. However today the
>Oranda for the first time was taking part, so maybe he just became ready.
>Anyway I removed the eggs from the tank, wasn't many (I think they has eaten
>most of them by the time I saw it). They were all over a couple of plastic
>plants in the tank.
>
>I placed the eggs into a container with water from the tank. A quick bit of
>research suggested I should look for little blank dots forming and remove
>any eggs which turn white. I done this and now have a number of eggs, which
>look really good. Now they have started to form the tail and are looking
>like little fish in the eggs.
>
>Because they are in a container I need to really move them to a better home
>before they hatch, I have setup a tank ready with water from the main tank
>again. I plan on moving the eggs into this tank. I have been using a
>pipette to move the eggs which seems ok.
>
>Should this tank have a filter? I have seen a couple of air driven ones
>from Interpet (I am from the UK) which said are safe for fry. Should this
>be setup and running before they hatch?
>
>I also have ready some Interpet Liquifry for feeding 3 days after hatching.
>I have read you shouldn't have more than 6 inches (15cm) of water in the
>tank as the weight of more water may harm the hatching fry - when is the
>best time to increase water levels?
>
>Also should I be sucesful, what kind of fish may my fry "turn into", the
>mother is a Shubunkin but the father may be either a comet goldfish or
>Oranda. Do you normally get a cross breed or a mixture?
>
>Thank you for any help you can give, even though I wasn't ready or even
>thought about breeding, I am really excited and hopefully will do my best
>for them.
>
>Graeme
>


I like sponge filters for baby goldfish tanks. Set it up as soon as
you can. there will be microscopic live on the sponge, the fish will
eat that between feedings. tho, there won't be much on a fresh
filter.

I've raised mine in a ten gallon tank full of water, the six inches
thing sounds good, but it hasn't been my experience.

the fish will be a mix, even with shubunkin/shubunkin there is only
about 50% that come out shubunkin.

The goldfish may well spawn again in a few days.

[Koi-Lo]

Moments before spontaneously combusting <Graeme> at
> was heard opining:

> Hi All,
>
> On Monday I was taken by surprise when early afternoon I noticed a
> number of eggs in my tank, and all 3 goldfish taking part in the
> mating routine of chasing the only female. In the tank are 3
> goldfish, 1 female Shubunkin, 1 male Comet Goldfish, and 1 Oranda.
>
> I have seen the Shubunkin and Comet acting like they are interested
> in each other before, but it has never lead to eggs being laid. However
> today the Oranda for the first time was taking part, so maybe
> he just became ready. Anyway I removed the eggs from the tank, wasn't
> many (I think they has eaten most of them by the time I saw it). They were
> all over a couple of plastic plants in the tank.
>
> I placed the eggs into a container with water from the tank. A quick
> bit of research suggested I should look for little blank dots forming
> and remove any eggs which turn white. I done this and now have a
> number of eggs, which look really good. Now they have started to
> form the tail and are looking like little fish in the eggs.
>
> Because they are in a container I need to really move them to a
> better home before they hatch, I have setup a tank ready with water
> from the main tank again. I plan on moving the eggs into this tank. I
> have been using a pipette to move the eggs which seems ok.
>
> Should this tank have a filter? I have seen a couple of air driven
> ones from Interpet (I am from the UK) which said are safe for fry. Should
> this be setup and running before they hatch?
>
> I also have ready some Interpet Liquifry for feeding 3 days after
> hatching. I have read you shouldn't have more than 6 inches (15cm) of
> water in the tank as the weight of more water may harm the hatching
> fry - when is the best time to increase water levels?
>
> Also should I be sucesful, what kind of fish may my fry "turn into",
> the mother is a Shubunkin but the father may be either a comet
> goldfish or Oranda. Do you normally get a cross breed or a mixture?
>
> Thank you for any help you can give, even though I wasn't ready or
> even thought about breeding, I am really excited and hopefully will
> do my best for them.
============================
You can Google goldfish+fry or goldfish+breeding and come up with loads of
sites. I tried raising them indoors some years ago and found they do better
with newly hatched brine shrimp indoors then the Liquifry, powdered flakes
and egg yolk they thrive on outdoors. Outdoors they thrive on these foods
in the green water nature provides, which is full of their natural
microscopic food including tiny water insect larvae I'm sure. I always had
floating plants for them as well - such as hornwart, easily found in most
chain pet stores. The microlife do much better when real plants are added.
A look under the 'scope showed all forms of life swimming around in the 150g
outdoor kiddy pools (lined with black drop cloths from Wal*Mart.).
Duplicating this indoors is almost impossible. I used no brineshrimp
outdoors at all. Sponge filters are the way to go but watch the current in
a small tank or tote. Check out my website below and see how I raise them
outdoors.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Graeme]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> Moments before spontaneously combusting <Graeme> at
> > was heard opining:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> On Monday I was taken by surprise when early afternoon I noticed a
>> number of eggs in my tank, and all 3 goldfish taking part in the
>> mating routine of chasing the only female. In the tank are 3
>> goldfish, 1 female Shubunkin, 1 male Comet Goldfish, and 1 Oranda.
>>
>> I have seen the Shubunkin and Comet acting like they are interested
>> in each other before, but it has never lead to eggs being laid. However
>> today the Oranda for the first time was taking part, so maybe
>> he just became ready. Anyway I removed the eggs from the tank, wasn't
>> many (I think they has eaten most of them by the time I saw it). They
>> were all over a couple of plastic plants in the tank.
>>
>> I placed the eggs into a container with water from the tank. A quick
>> bit of research suggested I should look for little blank dots forming
>> and remove any eggs which turn white. I done this and now have a
>> number of eggs, which look really good. Now they have started to
>> form the tail and are looking like little fish in the eggs.
>>
>> Because they are in a container I need to really move them to a
>> better home before they hatch, I have setup a tank ready with water
>> from the main tank again. I plan on moving the eggs into this tank. I
>> have been using a pipette to move the eggs which seems ok.
>>
>> Should this tank have a filter? I have seen a couple of air driven
>> ones from Interpet (I am from the UK) which said are safe for fry. Should
>> this be setup and running before they hatch?
>>
>> I also have ready some Interpet Liquifry for feeding 3 days after
>> hatching. I have read you shouldn't have more than 6 inches (15cm) of
>> water in the tank as the weight of more water may harm the hatching
>> fry - when is the best time to increase water levels?
>>
>> Also should I be sucesful, what kind of fish may my fry "turn into",
>> the mother is a Shubunkin but the father may be either a comet
>> goldfish or Oranda. Do you normally get a cross breed or a mixture?
>>
>> Thank you for any help you can give, even though I wasn't ready or
>> even thought about breeding, I am really excited and hopefully will
>> do my best for them.
> ============================
> You can Google goldfish+fry or goldfish+breeding and come up with loads of
> sites. I tried raising them indoors some years ago and found they do
> better with newly hatched brine shrimp indoors then the Liquifry, powdered
> flakes and egg yolk they thrive on outdoors. Outdoors they thrive on
> these foods


Hi, thank you for your reply. Been looking at what I need to hatch Brine
Shrimp, I have seen bottles of eggs in a brine solution and different
"incubators" and hatchers, but not sure what I should use. This is where I
normally order from http://www.aquatics-online.co.uk/Z099236.asp could you
take a look and recommend what I need please?

Graeme

[Koi-Lo]

"Graeme" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You can Google goldfish+fry or goldfish+breeding and come up with loads
>> of sites. I tried raising them indoors some years ago and found they do
>> better with newly hatched brine shrimp indoors then the Liquifry,
>> powdered flakes and egg yolk they thrive on outdoors. Outdoors they
>> thrive on these foods
=================
> Hi, thank you for your reply. Been looking at what I need to hatch Brine
> Shrimp, I have seen bottles of eggs in a brine solution and different
> "incubators" and hatchers, but not sure what I should use.

Since the eggs are already here and will soon hatch go with the foods you
already have for them. Some will probably survive. Be careful of ammonia
and nitrite buildup in the tank you have them in. Add as many plants as you
can. Hornwart and Canadian pond weed aka elodia I believe. Don't keep the
fry too warm. They're born in the spring here when the water is in the 60s.

This is where I
> normally order from http://www.aquatics-online.co.uk/Z099236.asp could you
> take a look and recommend what I need please?

Wow, there's a lot to look at on that page. I'm not familiar with your
money and weight system. I'm in the USA. Let me sum it up to say go for
the smallest cheapest set up and a small amount of brine shrimp eggs. Start
small since you don't know how these will do or if the parents will even
spawn again. I found indoor GF must less reliable breeders than when
they're kept outside. Even if you order in the morning you will probably
not get the eggs and hatchery in time. The newly hatched fish wont feed for
a day or two - do you think you have the time? Do the LFS near you carry
the eggs and hatcheries? I've hatched BS eggs in a tilted peanut butter jar
one time with an airstone just dropped in, in a sunny window. If the eggs
are available near you you can at least get them and start there......
Failing that then use the formulas you have now and be careful of the
ammonia as I said above. Don't feed them until you see them free swimming
and nibbling on the sponge filter, sides of the tank and the plants. Use an
eye dropper and try to drop the food near them. Siphon out all uneaten food
that hits the tank bottom.

Now you see why I do all my breeding outside. ;-)
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Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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