New Salt Setup- Fish Ideas

[Groovok]

I'm setting up a 90 gallon Fish Only Salt tank. There are some fish that I'm
interested in and was looking for opinions on if they will be good tank
mates.. and what other fish may be good mates.
The fish I'm definetely interested in are (purchasing them all as babies of
course):

Naso Tang
Humma Humma Trigger
Panther Grouper
Harlequin Tusk
Queen Angel

I would also like to add a Anemone or Two with a Maroon Clown.
Any Suggestions on Success ....

[George Patterson]

Groovok wrote:

> Naso Tang

Most of them get along well with other fish. Susceptible to "hole in the head"
disease.

> Humma Humma Trigger

Will pick on other fish. I had one that killed a panther grouper by eating its
fins. All triggers will nibble on other fish to some extent. Also - they eat
shellfish and crabs. If you think you will ever need a cleanup crew, don't get a
trigger. The Niger trigger has a better reputation, as far as other fish are
concerned.

> Panther Grouper

Will eventually get *very* big and will eat anything it can get in its mouth.
When they get big, they get sort of dark and aren't very pretty (IMO). Keep it
long enough, and it will be the only fish in the tank. There's also the risk
that he will try to eat one of his tankmates, be unable to swallow the entire
fish, and die.

> Harlequin Tusk

Nice fish. Can be belligerent, but usually peaceful. Able to defend itself. It
is compatible with everything you've listed here.

> Queen Angel

Nice fish. Very impressive. Usually tolerates other fish (except for other angels).


> I would also like to add a Anemone or Two with a Maroon Clown.

The clown would get eaten by the grouper as soon as the grouper gets big enough
(not long).

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Mirek]

I also agree with George, clowns are a no go in this tank. Too many
predatory fish for little cute nemo's to live in. Just my opinion.

Mirek

[Wayne Sallee]

Either that, or make them join that shark club where they
will learn "Fish are friends, not food" :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Mirek wrote on 3/13/2006 9:23 AM:
> I also agree with George, clowns are a no go in this tank. Too many
> predatory fish for little cute nemo's to live in. Just my opinion.
>
> Mirek
>

[J R-S]

Hello;
Is my opinion that you took the right approach to a sal****er aquarium.
Coral Reefs are too dificult to maintain and not made for enclosed systems.
It can be done, don't get me wrong. Is just that a simple cost-benefit
analysis renders the reef tanks too expensive for the benefits. The same
thing can be accomplished with fish only to include inverts.
I am changing my setup from a prototype system to a larger system and I
moved all my deco to the new tank, put a lot of junk in the old aquarium and
Yellow Tang, two-lined Clown Fish and an old yYellowTail get along just
fine. As long as each fish has a hideout and enough room to escape, they
all eat at the same time.
I am answering to your post a little late I hope you read it.

Jaime
"Groovok" > wrote in message
news:tDmQf.49$Km6.25@trnddc01...
> I'm setting up a 90 gallon Fish Only Salt tank. There are some fish that
> I'm interested in and was looking for opinions on if they will be good
> tank mates.. and what other fish may be good mates.
> The fish I'm definetely interested in are (purchasing them all as babies
> of course):
>
> Naso Tang
> Humma Humma Trigger
> Panther Grouper
> Harlequin Tusk
> Queen Angel
>
> I would also like to add a Anemone or Two with a Maroon Clown.
> Any Suggestions on Success ....
>

[J R-S]

Provide Little nemo with a well developed anemone, enough crivaces to hide
and a well consealed route to eat and it will show you how it survived for
millions of years in predator infested reefs...

jrs
"Mirek" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>I also agree with George, clowns are a no go in this tank. Too many
> predatory fish for little cute nemo's to live in. Just my opinion.
>
> Mirek
>

[TheRock]

Yeah Jaime this is true they would do just fine running and hiding
for their life every second of the day in the small toilet bowls we call
aquariums.

Careful you may be a clownfish in your next life : )




"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
> Provide Little nemo with a well developed anemone, enough crivaces to hide
> and a well consealed route to eat and it will show you how it survived for
> millions of years in predator infested reefs...
>
> jrs
> "Mirek" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>I also agree with George, clowns are a no go in this tank. Too many
>> predatory fish for little cute nemo's to live in. Just my opinion.
>>
>> Mirek
>>
>
>

[Wayne Sallee]

LOL Jaime has found it to be too difficult for him to keep
even the easiest corals alive, so he is giving up. He just
does not have the knowledge to be able to keep corals.

That's too bad :-)

Now for those that are new to reef keeping, don't let
Jaime's post scare you off from an enjoyable hobby of
keeping corals. It's not that difficult, if you do it
right. But if you want to keep any old light over the
tank, like Jaime, then you will be sorely disappointed,
and disheartened as Jaime is.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



J R-S wrote on 3/13/2006 5:41 PM:
> Hello;
> Is my opinion that you took the right approach to a sal****er aquarium.
> Coral Reefs are too dificult to maintain and not made for enclosed systems.
> It can be done, don't get me wrong. Is just that a simple cost-benefit
> analysis renders the reef tanks too expensive for the benefits. The same
> thing can be accomplished with fish only to include inverts.
> I am changing my setup from a prototype system to a larger system and I
> moved all my deco to the new tank, put a lot of junk in the old aquarium and
> Yellow Tang, two-lined Clown Fish and an old yYellowTail get along just
> fine. As long as each fish has a hideout and enough room to escape, they
> all eat at the same time.
> I am answering to your post a little late I hope you read it.
>
> Jaime
> "Groovok" > wrote in message
> news:tDmQf.49$Km6.25@trnddc01...
>> I'm setting up a 90 gallon Fish Only Salt tank. There are some fish that
>> I'm interested in and was looking for opinions on if they will be good
>> tank mates.. and what other fish may be good mates.
>> The fish I'm definetely interested in are (purchasing them all as babies
>> of course):
>>
>> Naso Tang
>> Humma Humma Trigger
>> Panther Grouper
>> Harlequin Tusk
>> Queen Angel
>>
>> I would also like to add a Anemone or Two with a Maroon Clown.
>> Any Suggestions on Success ....
>>
>
>

[TheRock]

Oh dear...I knew this tank was a big waste of money !



"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
> Hello;
> Is my opinion that you took the right approach to a sal****er aquarium.
> Coral Reefs are too dificult to maintain and not made for enclosed
> systems. It can be done, don't get me wrong. Is just that a simple
> cost-benefit analysis renders the reef tanks too expensive for the
> benefits. The same thing can be accomplished with fish only to include
> inverts.
> I am changing my setup from a prototype system to a larger system and I
> moved all my deco to the new tank, put a lot of junk in the old aquarium
> and Yellow Tang, two-lined Clown Fish and an old yYellowTail get along
> just fine. As long as each fish has a hideout and enough room to escape,
> they all eat at the same time.
> I am answering to your post a little late I hope you read it.
>
> Jaime
> "Groovok" > wrote in message
> news:tDmQf.49$Km6.25@trnddc01...
>> I'm setting up a 90 gallon Fish Only Salt tank. There are some fish that
>> I'm interested in and was looking for opinions on if they will be good
>> tank mates.. and what other fish may be good mates.
>> The fish I'm definetely interested in are (purchasing them all as babies
>> of course):
>>
>> Naso Tang
>> Humma Humma Trigger
>> Panther Grouper
>> Harlequin Tusk
>> Queen Angel
>>
>> I would also like to add a Anemone or Two with a Maroon Clown.
>> Any Suggestions on Success ....
>>
>
>

[Wayne Sallee]

J R-S wrote on 3/13/2006 5:41 PM:
> Coral Reefs are too dificult to maintain and not made for enclosed systems.

What were they *made* for? :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

[Don Geddis]

"J R-S" > wrote on Mon, 13 Mar 2006:
> Is just that a simple cost-benefit analysis renders the reef tanks too
> expensive for the benefits.

Is it that simple?

What are the "benefits" of keeping a reef tank? Surely this is just a hobby
for entertainment, so the benefit is a very personal thing, and depends on
how much you like colorful dynamic living art in your living room.

Or are you somehow claiming that there is a single objective "benefit" that
everyone must derive from a reef tank?

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
If you steal a clean slate, does it go on your record?

[miskairal]

I agree with Don. It is purely personal as to how much benefit you get.
The bonus is that some people can now breed some of the reef livestock
in captivity. Surely that helps to ensure they never become extinct.

Don Geddis wrote:
> "J R-S" > wrote on Mon, 13 Mar 2006:
>
>>Is just that a simple cost-benefit analysis renders the reef tanks too
>>expensive for the benefits.
>
>
> Is it that simple?
>
> What are the "benefits" of keeping a reef tank? Surely this is just a hobby
> for entertainment, so the benefit is a very personal thing, and depends on
> how much you like colorful dynamic living art in your living room.
>
> Or are you somehow claiming that there is a single objective "benefit" that
> everyone must derive from a reef tank?
>
> -- Don
> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
> Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
> If you steal a clean slate, does it go on your record?

[J R-S]

My dear Wayne, it is almost abusive to answer your posts but you keep asking
for it.
You see, most contemporary aquarists suffer from what I call the NASA
Syndrome; this is what happened, NASA appointed top scientists to develop a
pen that could write in 0 gravity. For years they spent millions of dollars
and finally came up with this state-of-the-art pens that could write in
space, I believe they cost $500 average. When Americans and Russians met in
the space station, an american ran out of ink and asked the russian if he
could borrow his PENCIL($0.05).
Did you understand? I hope so!

The answer to having and maintaining a sal****er aquarium is not only for
those that are willing to waste $3k in ilumination, lifestock, etc...
Plus, there are alternative to growing rocks in a tank, there are much more
and better looking associations in the ocean that have nothing to do with
growing rocks.

I love coral reefs but find it too expensive...

jrs


"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> LOL Jaime has found it to be too difficult for him to keep even the
> easiest corals alive, so he is giving up. He just does not have the
> knowledge to be able to keep corals.
>
> That's too bad :-)
>
> Now for those that are new to reef keeping, don't let Jaime's post scare
> you off from an enjoyable hobby of keeping corals. It's not that
> difficult, if you do it right. But if you want to keep any old light over
> the tank, like Jaime, then you will be sorely disappointed, and
> disheartened as Jaime is.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> J R-S wrote on 3/13/2006 5:41 PM:
>> Hello;
>> Is my opinion that you took the right approach to a sal****er
>> aquarium. Coral Reefs are too dificult to maintain and not made for
>> enclosed systems. It can be done, don't get me wrong. Is just that a
>> simple cost-benefit analysis renders the reef tanks too expensive for the
>> benefits. The same thing can be accomplished with fish only to include
>> inverts.
>> I am changing my setup from a prototype system to a larger system and I
>> moved all my deco to the new tank, put a lot of junk in the old aquarium
>> and Yellow Tang, two-lined Clown Fish and an old yYellowTail get along
>> just fine. As long as each fish has a hideout and enough room to escape,
>> they all eat at the same time.
>> I am answering to your post a little late I hope you read it.
>>
>> Jaime
>> "Groovok" > wrote in message
>> news:tDmQf.49$Km6.25@trnddc01...
>>> I'm setting up a 90 gallon Fish Only Salt tank. There are some fish that
>>> I'm interested in and was looking for opinions on if they will be good
>>> tank mates.. and what other fish may be good mates.
>>> The fish I'm definetely interested in are (purchasing them all as babies
>>> of course):
>>>
>>> Naso Tang
>>> Humma Humma Trigger
>>> Panther Grouper
>>> Harlequin Tusk
>>> Queen Angel
>>>
>>> I would also like to add a Anemone or Two with a Maroon Clown.
>>> Any Suggestions on Success ....
>>>
>>

[J R-S]

Well, they evolved in the wild and can become gigantic.
I hope that the pictures I posted before pass.
You should spend more in a nice Scuba suite. It is not as expensive and the
reefs you see are maintained by nature...

jrs
"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
>J R-S wrote on 3/13/2006 5:41 PM:
>> Coral Reefs are too dificult to maintain and not made for enclosed
>> systems.
>
> What were they *made* for? :-)
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>

[J R-S]

You define benefit which ever way you like.
Are you getting any benefits from your tank? If so, are they worst the
amount you spent?
jrs
"Don Geddis" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote on Mon, 13 Mar 2006:
>> Is just that a simple cost-benefit analysis renders the reef tanks too
>> expensive for the benefits.
>
> Is it that simple?
>
> What are the "benefits" of keeping a reef tank? Surely this is just a
> hobby
> for entertainment, so the benefit is a very personal thing, and depends on
> how much you like colorful dynamic living art in your living room.
>
> Or are you somehow claiming that there is a single objective "benefit"
> that
> everyone must derive from a reef tank?
>
> -- Don
> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
> Don Geddis
> http://reef.geddis.org/
> If you steal a clean slate, does it go on your record?

[groo]

"J R-S" > wrote:

> My dear Wayne, it is almost abusive to answer your posts but you keep
> asking for it.
> You see, most contemporary aquarists suffer from what I call the NASA
> Syndrome; this is what happened, NASA appointed top scientists to
> develop a pen that could write in 0 gravity. For years they spent
> millions of dollars and finally came up with this state-of-the-art
> pens that could write in space, I believe they cost $500 average.
> When Americans and Russians met in the space station, an american ran
> out of ink and asked the russian if he could borrow his PENCIL($0.05).
> Did you understand? I hope so!

Interesting story, but untrue. See

http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp

[George Patterson]

J R-S wrote:

> Are you getting any benefits from your tank? If so, are they worst the
> amount you spent?

Yes and yes.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[miskairal]

Yes and Yes :)

George Patterson wrote:
> J R-S wrote:
>
>> Are you getting any benefits from your tank? If so, are they worst
>> the amount you spent?
>
>
> Yes and yes.
>
> George Patterson
> Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
> your slightly older self.

[David Zopf]

"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
> Well, they evolved in the wild and can become gigantic.
> I hope that the pictures I posted before pass.
> You should spend more in a nice Scuba suite. It is not as expensive and
> the reefs you see are maintained by nature...
>
Heh. A scuba suit alone doesn't get me in front of a reef (there aren't
too many reefs off the US Connecticut coastline, last time I looked ;-)
What happens to your "less expensive" scuba suit when you have to put it on
a plane, find it a hotel, give yourself an occasional meal, arrange
transport and/or a guide to a dive location, etc, to visit the nearest reef?
By comparison, a reef aquarium is a vastly less expensive hobby, and it can
be enjoyed daily...

Regards
DaveZ
Atom Weaver

[J R-S]

So it was true! at least that is what your own resource, lol, snopes.com,
says and gives the reason of a fire on Apolo 1

jrs
"groo" > wrote in message
. 17.102...
> "J R-S" > wrote:
>
>> My dear Wayne, it is almost abusive to answer your posts but you keep
>> asking for it.
>> You see, most contemporary aquarists suffer from what I call the NASA
>> Syndrome; this is what happened, NASA appointed top scientists to
>> develop a pen that could write in 0 gravity. For years they spent
>> millions of dollars and finally came up with this state-of-the-art
>> pens that could write in space, I believe they cost $500 average.
>> When Americans and Russians met in the space station, an american ran
>> out of ink and asked the russian if he could borrow his PENCIL($0.05).
>> Did you understand? I hope so!
>
> Interesting story, but untrue. See
>
> http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
>
>
>

[J R-S]

That is what I am talking about, you like your investment, nothing wrong
with that...
Yes, because I've seen people eating canned food so that they can afford
that money hungry hobby.
I will bring the hobby to the le$$ fortunate...

jrs
"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:YZMRf.42437$CI6.417@trnddc07...
>J R-S wrote:
>
>> Are you getting any benefits from your tank? If so, are they worst the
>> amount you spent?
>
> Yes and yes.
>
> George Patterson
> Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
> your slightly older self.

[Mark Henry]

J R-S wrote:
>
> ... and gives the reason of a fire on Apolo 1
>

If you take the time to read the snopes.com posting you'ld see that the
fire on Apollo 1 wasn't blamed on a wooden penil. It noted that after
the tragic fire NASA was [finally] decided to remove or reduce the
amount of flammable material within the capsul, starting with the use of
pure oxygen under pressure. After that their second biggest flammable
item was velcro...

mark h

[J R-S]

You didn't get my point, its OK

jrs
"Mark Henry" > wrote in message
m...
>J R-S wrote:
>>
>> ... and gives the reason of a fire on Apolo 1
>>
>
> If you take the time to read the snopes.com posting you'ld see that the
> fire on Apollo 1 wasn't blamed on a wooden penil. It noted that after the
> tragic fire NASA was [finally] decided to remove or reduce the amount of
> flammable material within the capsul, starting with the use of pure oxygen
> under pressure. After that their second biggest flammable item was
> velcro...
>
> mark h

[RicSeyler]

Hell NO! The benefit I get out of my Reefs are
no where near the money, time, worry, anguish
and bother put into them!!

But we are humans and do Bat**** CrAzY stuff
all the time and wouldn't want to change it for anything :-)

J R-S wrote:

>You define benefit which ever way you like.
>Are you getting any benefits from your tank? If so, are they worst the
>amount you spent?
>
>

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[AverageSchmuck]

I might be wrong here but are you by chance repling to your own post
here J R-S? It sure appears that way headers very similar and stuff..
Eh I am probably wrong but I cant ignore the similarities in grammer
tone etc either.

But .. to answer YES a very BIG YES it is extremely worth it to me and
my entire family. I would love to take up Scuba in fact sometime I may
do it and ignore my physical disability which forces to me walk with
a limp and makes it impossible to run all from slipping on some grass
and getting 5 surgeries on it a few years back. But I would have to
overcome that so I am not a safety risk to myself and yes a safety
risk to my fellow divers. So to a person like me for someone else to
just assume anyone can go even if they are on the coast is rude. I
would love to but have a large cliff to climb to get their. Another
reason the tank is great is so my young children can experience a
portion of life that you can not get from going to the large aquirium
or Sea World etc. Please pardon the above rant and most of all my
horrid spelling. I am not a typist and well my english is absolutely
horrid at best.





Just be cautious in making assumptions in life cause everything is not
always as it appears sometimes


On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:29:24 -0600, RicSeyler >
wrote:

>Hell NO! The benefit I get out of my Reefs are
>no where near the money, time, worry, anguish
>and bother put into them!!
>
>But we are humans and do Bat**** CrAzY stuff
>all the time and wouldn't want to change it for anything :-)
>
>J R-S wrote:
>
>>You define benefit which ever way you like.
>>Are you getting any benefits from your tank? If so, are they worst the
>>amount you spent?
>>
>>

[Cindy]

David Zopf typed:
>>
> Heh. A scuba suit alone doesn't get me in front of a reef (there
> aren't too many reefs off the US Connecticut coastline, last time I
> looked ;-) What happens to your "less expensive" scuba suit when
> you have to put it on a plane, find it a hotel, give yourself an
> occasional meal, arrange transport and/or a guide to a dive
> location, etc, to visit the nearest reef? By comparison, a reef
> aquarium is a vastly less expensive hobby, and it can be enjoyed
> daily...

Yeah. Besides, I'm afraid of the water. Looking at a lovely reef tank is
much safer.

[RicSeyler]

Nope....... :-)

Didn't catch I was being factious?
LOLOL

AverageSchmuck wrote:

>I might be wrong here but are you by chance repling to your own post
>here J R-S? I
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[AverageSchmuck]

LOL you expanded my vocabulary their had to look up factious .. and
no I am just a paranoid jaded person at heart thats all

>Nope....... :-)
>
>Didn't catch I was being factious?
>LOLOL
>
>AverageSchmuck wrote:
>
>>I might be wrong here but are you by chance repling to your own post
>>here J R-S? I
>>
>>
>>
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