Aquarists vs Marine Biologists

[J R-S]

According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an aquarium,
in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.



In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
field.



Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me with
obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way and
bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
criticism.



When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could bring
hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too expensive.

I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is that
common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those benefiting
with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.



I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a bio/mech
filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and nitrites from
the water without expensive investments or any stupid chemical at all.



Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping system
only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a year.



If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you are
getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can satisfy
your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be well
spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in your home
for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not to a
custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask him/her if
your system is cycling products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of
nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a
nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.



jrs

[Cindy]

J R-S typed:
> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
> aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
> In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
> aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on
> the field.
> Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to
> by colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start
> bombarding me with obstacles since they had been doing things in a
> very profitable way and bringing common sense to the domain was
> going to encounter a lot of criticism.
>
> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge
> could bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but
> find it too expensive.

You can't bring much hope by making a lot of unsubstantiated claims. How's
it going to help when you won't tell us how you're doing it?

> I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7
> months running it with no water changes and with inexpensive
> equipment. My hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but
> common sense. It is that common sense that sparked the criticism
> of, whom else, but those benefiting with selling that expensive and
> overrated set of gadgets.
> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
> bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates
> and nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any
> stupid chemical at all.

So what did you use and how did you do it?

> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new
> system stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore
> pumping system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2
> water changes a year.

Oh, it's going to be "in the market"? I assume then that you've made it a
big secret because YOU want to make money off it. I get it.

> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits
> you are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something,
> you can satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the
> money will be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a
> piece of ocean in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes,
> talk to a specialist not to a custodian. There will be a marine
> bio close to your house, ask him/her if your system is cycling
> products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of nutrients, if
> that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a nice
> checkbook with you, you'll need it.
>
>
> jrs

[Karl]

"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an aquarium,
> in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.


Any REAL marine biologist would be thrilled with the fact that people are
able to not only propagate fish but corals as well in a home aquarium
thereby reducing and maybe even one day eliminating the need to collect wild
specimens from the world's depleting reefs.You sir are both an asshole and a
fraud.

[Wayne Sallee]

J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
> To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
> field.

Well then that leaves you out.

You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll"
because you are no marine biologist.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

[Billy]

"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
>J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
>> To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the field.
>
> Well then that leaves you out.
>
> You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll" because you
> are no marine biologist.
>


For once, Wayne, we agree on something.

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could bring
> hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too expensive.

The problem is that you do not try to share your field knowledge here.
You make misleading comments (ie: ammonia should be there in the tank!)
and claims not backed with any details or recreatable at home recipes.

You arrived here just to heal your sick and weak ego, but you got
hurt with (well deserved) criticism for your not-so-friendly aproach.
Now you are crying about "establishment crushing your", complaining
about high priced equipment, and... writing about introducing on the
market a piece of equipment yourself. What is wrong with this picture ?

> I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
> running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
> hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is that
> common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those benefiting
> with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.

Anybody with experience in keeping aquariums had a chance to see
what you have done and confirmed it is something really special ?
Because you have no experience yourself, so you do not know what
is doable and what is not in our hobby.

> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a bio/mech
> filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and nitrites from
> the water without expensive investments or any stupid chemical at all.

Cool! Then share your knowledge and experience if you care...
If not - what is a TRUE reason you came here ?

> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
> stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping system
> only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a year.

No skimmer or built in skimmer? When will you decide on facts?

> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you are
> getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can satisfy
> your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be well
> spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in your home
> for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not to a
> custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask him/her if
> your system is cycling products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of
> nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a
> nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.

And how fat of a checkbook should one have to get your magic filter ?
BTW -
have you given a name to your invention yet ? Think about an "algae scrubber".
That would be pretty magical and for sure very original... ;-)

[J R-S]

My dear Cindy;
I came here not to brag about my scientific background, yet I did, I am
sorry..
I came here not to brag about my inexpensive filter yet I did, I am sorry...
I came here not to publicize my invention yet I did, I am sorry...
I built my system in a capitalistic society and it will be sold, I am
sorry...
I can't tell you how I did it because then I will have nothing to sell, I am
sorry...
If you think I am sorry, you most be a fool

jrs
"Cindy" > wrote in message
et...
>J R-S typed:
>> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
>> aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
>> In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
>> aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on
>> the field.
>> Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to
>> by colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start
>> bombarding me with obstacles since they had been doing things in a
>> very profitable way and bringing common sense to the domain was
>> going to encounter a lot of criticism.
>>
>> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge
>> could bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but
>> find it too expensive.
>
> You can't bring much hope by making a lot of unsubstantiated claims.
> How's it going to help when you won't tell us how you're doing it?
>
>> I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7
>> months running it with no water changes and with inexpensive
>> equipment. My hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but
>> common sense. It is that common sense that sparked the criticism
>> of, whom else, but those benefiting with selling that expensive and
>> overrated set of gadgets.
>> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
>> bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates
>> and nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any
>> stupid chemical at all.
>
> So what did you use and how did you do it?
>
>> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new
>> system stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore
>> pumping system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2
>> water changes a year.
>
> Oh, it's going to be "in the market"? I assume then that you've made it a
> big secret because YOU want to make money off it. I get it.
>
>> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits
>> you are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something,
>> you can satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the
>> money will be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a
>> piece of ocean in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes,
>> talk to a specialist not to a custodian. There will be a marine
>> bio close to your house, ask him/her if your system is cycling
>> products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of nutrients, if
>> that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a nice
>> checkbook with you, you'll need it.
>>
>>
>> jrs
>
>
>

[J R-S]

yeah, yeah, yeah
I may be all that, so what? if I am an asshole and a fraud, what does that
make you?

jrs
"Karl" <no.spam@formeoru2> wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
>> aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
>
>
> Any REAL marine biologist would be thrilled with the fact that people
> are able to not only propagate fish but corals as well in a home aquarium
> thereby reducing and maybe even one day eliminating the need to collect
> wild specimens from the world's depleting reefs.You sir are both an
> asshole and a fraud.
>

[J R-S]

Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show you
my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the same
time you can see my publications and current work.
Just for the hell of it son!

jrs
"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
>J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
>> To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the field.
>
> Well then that leaves you out.
>
> You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll" because you are no
> marine biologist.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>

[J R-S]

Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not against
my findings. That is easily understood since I made a head-on attack to the
establishment and to stupid conventionalities... I can understand that...
Nevertheless, I am putting my invention on the line and already invited my
worst attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne and
after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see with your
own eyes that the darn thing works!

jrs

jrs
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
>> bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
>> expensive.
>
> The problem is that you do not try to share your field knowledge here.
> You make misleading comments (ie: ammonia should be there in the tank!)
> and claims not backed with any details or recreatable at home recipes.
>
> You arrived here just to heal your sick and weak ego, but you got
> hurt with (well deserved) criticism for your not-so-friendly aproach.
> Now you are crying about "establishment crushing your", complaining
> about high priced equipment, and... writing about introducing on the
> market a piece of equipment yourself. What is wrong with this picture ?
>
>> I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
>> running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
>> hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
>> that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
>> benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.
>
> Anybody with experience in keeping aquariums had a chance to see
> what you have done and confirmed it is something really special ?
> Because you have no experience yourself, so you do not know what
> is doable and what is not in our hobby.
>
>> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
>> bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
>> nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
>> chemical at all.
>
> Cool! Then share your knowledge and experience if you care...
> If not - what is a TRUE reason you came here ?
>
>> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
>> stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping
>> system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a
>> year.
>
> No skimmer or built in skimmer? When will you decide on facts?
>
>> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
>> are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
>> satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be
>> well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in
>> your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not
>> to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
>> him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
>> cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
>> pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.
>
> And how fat of a checkbook should one have to get your magic filter ?
> BTW - have you given a name to your invention yet ? Think about an "algae
> scrubber".
> That would be pretty magical and for sure very original... ;-)

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
> lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show you
> my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the same
> time you can see my publications and current work.
> Just for the hell of it son!

Can I ask for a list of your previous publications ?
Maybe at least a list of journal titles ?
It would be cool to read something you wrote about
marine biology for a change... And it looks I will
never see anything like this written by you here...
So maybe you can list sci journal titles and volume
numbers I can find your articles in the library ?

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not against
> my findings. That is easily understood since I made a head-on attack to the
> establishment and to stupid conventionalities... I can understand that...

You know this is BS. I asked you about your findings and you did not
say anything. Then you behave like an asshole and you are very surprised
people focus on you not on the findings you do not make public...

> Nevertheless, I am putting my invention on the line and already invited my
> worst attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne and
> after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see with your
> own eyes that the darn thing works!

If your offer is real, you will post at least a list of your papers here
for everybody to see how smart you are and how much your words are worth!
Somehow I doubt this list will show up here... I do not know why ;-)

[Wayne Sallee]

Oh, not in Pembroke Pines anymore :-)

Yea, your not very far away now.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 9:43 PM:
> Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
> lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show you
> my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the same
> time you can see my publications and current work.
> Just for the hell of it son!
>
> jrs
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
>>> To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the field.
>> Well then that leaves you out.
>>
>> You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll" because you are no
>> marine biologist.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>
>

[J R-S]

lol
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
>> lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show
>> you my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the
>> same time you can see my publications and current work.
>> Just for the hell of it son!
>
> Can I ask for a list of your previous publications ?
> Maybe at least a list of journal titles ?
> It would be cool to read something you wrote about marine biology for a
> change... And it looks I will
> never see anything like this written by you here...
> So maybe you can list sci journal titles and volume
> numbers I can find your articles in the library ?

[J R-S]

have a nice day amigo
jrs
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not
>> against my findings. That is easily understood since I made a head-on
>> attack to the establishment and to stupid conventionalities... I can
>> understand that...
>
> You know this is BS. I asked you about your findings and you did not
> say anything. Then you behave like an asshole and you are very surprised
> people focus on you not on the findings you do not make public...
>
>> Nevertheless, I am putting my invention on the line and already invited
>> my worst attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne
>> and after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see with
>> your own eyes that the darn thing works!
>
> If your offer is real, you will post at least a list of your papers here
> for everybody to see how smart you are and how much your words are worth!
> Somehow I doubt this list will show up here... I do not know why ;-)

[J R-S]

First of all, I am sorry but, how did I insult your intelligence?
All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare to
break from the main stream. Talking about trolls, yeah right!
Second of all, to be able to insult something, that something has to exist!
take it whichever way you want.
jrs
"TheRock" > wrote in message
news:LydTf.1304$3t1.52@trndny08...
> People, In Internet explorers News Reader there is an option to
> block sender...Use it
>
> J R-S
> Aside from you being an antagonist to some in this group
> we all have professional careers as well. For instance, I am a
> Mechanical Engineer. So for you to continually come here and insult our
> intelligence is getting old.
>
> Your friends say you'll **** off the "establishment". I think you're
> doing a fine job
> at ****ing everyone off. Instead of participating and sharing experiences
> you are dictating and putting people down. I'd say drop the attitude and
> participate and people might end up liking you.
>
> You certainly have something to offer this group, just don't have to be so
> condescending.
>
> I work with a few higher level engineers that could be management but they
> never will
> because they have ZERO people skills. Be a politician, be polite and
> people will be more accepting. When I first came to this group
> I knew who had the big heads and who didn't...the last thing you do is
> charge in
> kamikaze style and butt heads.
>
> So your marine bio degree means nothing here if nobody listens to you.
>
> Think...
>
>
>
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
>> aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
>>
>>
>>
>> In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
>> aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
>> field.
>>
>>
>>
>> Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
>> colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me
>> with obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way
>> and bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
>> criticism.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
>> bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
>> expensive.
>>
>> I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
>> running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
>> hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
>> that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
>> benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.
>>
>>
>>
>> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
>> bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
>> nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
>> chemical at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
>> stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping
>> system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a
>> year.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
>> are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
>> satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be
>> well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in
>> your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not
>> to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
>> him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
>> cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
>> pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.
>>
>>
>>
>> jrs
>>
>>
>
>

[TheRock]

This is what I'm talking about. I can see making friends is tough for you.
So think about what I said. You can think somebody lacks intel, but you
don't need to say it.
You never insulted me, but people are spending more time arguing with you
than
using this group for what it's for. Helping and sharing experiences.

Like I said you have posted some interesting comments, work on your
approach.
I will, as most people, appreciate good feedback and ideas.

Maybe News Groups aren't for you.
Perhaps you should be writing articles for http://www.advancedaquarist.com/
or some other online magazine.

Be nice, not all of us get to live on a tropical island.
Some of us live in bum-**** North East freezing cold places.

later




"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
> First of all, I am sorry but, how did I insult your intelligence?
> All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare
> to break from the main stream. Talking about trolls, yeah right!
> Second of all, to be able to insult something, that something has to
> exist! take it whichever way you want.
> jrs
> "TheRock" > wrote in message
> news:LydTf.1304$3t1.52@trndny08...
>> People, In Internet explorers News Reader there is an option to
>> block sender...Use it
>>
>> J R-S
>> Aside from you being an antagonist to some in this group
>> we all have professional careers as well. For instance, I am a
>> Mechanical Engineer. So for you to continually come here and insult our
>> intelligence is getting old.
>>
>> Your friends say you'll **** off the "establishment". I think you're
>> doing a fine job
>> at ****ing everyone off. Instead of participating and sharing
>> experiences
>> you are dictating and putting people down. I'd say drop the attitude and
>> participate and people might end up liking you.
>>
>> You certainly have something to offer this group, just don't have to be
>> so condescending.
>>
>> I work with a few higher level engineers that could be management but
>> they never will
>> because they have ZERO people skills. Be a politician, be polite and
>> people will be more accepting. When I first came to this group
>> I knew who had the big heads and who didn't...the last thing you do is
>> charge in
>> kamikaze style and butt heads.
>>
>> So your marine bio degree means nothing here if nobody listens to you.
>>
>> Think...
>>
>>
>>
>> "J R-S" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
>>> aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
>>> aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
>>> field.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
>>> colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me
>>> with obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way
>>> and bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
>>> criticism.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
>>> bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>> I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
>>> running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
>>> hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
>>> that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
>>> benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
>>> bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
>>> nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
>>> chemical at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
>>> stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping
>>> system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a
>>> year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
>>> are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
>>> satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will
>>> be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean
>>> in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist
>>> not to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
>>> him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
>>> cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
>>> pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> jrs
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Don Geddis]

"J R-S" > wrote on Sun, 19 Mar 2006:
> All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare to
> break from the main stream.

You're confused about the reason.

People here actually like "breaking from the mainstream". For example, it
was interesting when Ron Shimek (and others) started suggesting the benefits
of keeping a Deep Sand Bed in a reef aquarium. That's a relatively new
suggestion in the hobby. Ron provided lots of data, analysis, suggestions,
keep tons of successful tanks himself, wrote (and published) scientific
articles in marine biology journals, etc. All good stuff. No negative
reaction from "the establishment".

On the other hand, you've received "insult after insult" because you're
an asshole, not because you "dare" to break from the mainstream.

Lots of people have explained to you why, starting from the insulting tone
of your own messages, to your arguments from authority ("I'm a marine
biologist"), to your premature claims of success ("this is a better idea ...
or will be in a few months when everything settles down"), to your claims of
secret knowledge that somehow we're all too silly to adopt, yet you won't
actually reveal even the slightest detail.

This is why you're being insulted. Because you're an idiot.

However, plenty of nice, intelligent people have suggested new methodologies
for reef aquariums, and been welcomed with open arms. The difference in
your case is ... you.

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
We like to praise birds for flying. But how much of it is actually flying, and
how much of it is just sort of coasting from the previous flap?
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

[Pszemol]

"Don Geddis" > wrote in message ...
> However, plenty of nice, intelligent people have suggested new methodologies
> for reef aquariums, and been welcomed with open arms. The difference in
> your case is ... you.

Well said, Don.

[J R-S]

Well, I do have to yield on you, thought me a good lesson.
It was just that I only encountered criticism in this group and I only
wanted to share, it came to a point that I will share nothing.
I am sorry, I will stick around and you are right, people are just spending
more time argueing with me than enjoying the benefits of this forum...

jrs
"TheRock" > wrote in message
news:4ofTf.333$Qm2.268@trndny03...
> This is what I'm talking about. I can see making friends is tough for you.
> So think about what I said. You can think somebody lacks intel, but you
> don't need to say it.
> You never insulted me, but people are spending more time arguing with you
> than
> using this group for what it's for. Helping and sharing experiences.
>
> Like I said you have posted some interesting comments, work on your
> approach.
> I will, as most people, appreciate good feedback and ideas.
>
> Maybe News Groups aren't for you.
> Perhaps you should be writing articles for
> http://www.advancedaquarist.com/
> or some other online magazine.
>
> Be nice, not all of us get to live on a tropical island.
> Some of us live in bum-**** North East freezing cold places.
>
> later
>
>
>
>
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> First of all, I am sorry but, how did I insult your intelligence?
>> All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare
>> to break from the main stream. Talking about trolls, yeah right!
>> Second of all, to be able to insult something, that something has to
>> exist! take it whichever way you want.
>> jrs
>> "TheRock" > wrote in message
>> news:LydTf.1304$3t1.52@trndny08...
>>> People, In Internet explorers News Reader there is an option to
>>> block sender...Use it
>>>
>>> J R-S
>>> Aside from you being an antagonist to some in this group
>>> we all have professional careers as well. For instance, I am a
>>> Mechanical Engineer. So for you to continually come here and insult our
>>> intelligence is getting old.
>>>
>>> Your friends say you'll **** off the "establishment". I think you're
>>> doing a fine job
>>> at ****ing everyone off. Instead of participating and sharing
>>> experiences
>>> you are dictating and putting people down. I'd say drop the attitude
>>> and
>>> participate and people might end up liking you.
>>>
>>> You certainly have something to offer this group, just don't have to be
>>> so condescending.
>>>
>>> I work with a few higher level engineers that could be management but
>>> they never will
>>> because they have ZERO people skills. Be a politician, be polite and
>>> people will be more accepting. When I first came to this group
>>> I knew who had the big heads and who didn't...the last thing you do is
>>> charge in
>>> kamikaze style and butt heads.
>>>
>>> So your marine bio degree means nothing here if nobody listens to you.
>>>
>>> Think...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "J R-S" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
>>>> aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
>>>> aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
>>>> field.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
>>>> colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me
>>>> with obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable
>>>> way and bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a
>>>> lot of criticism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
>>>> bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
>>>> expensive.
>>>>
>>>> I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
>>>> running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
>>>> hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
>>>> that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
>>>> benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
>>>> bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
>>>> nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
>>>> chemical at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new
>>>> system stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore
>>>> pumping system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water
>>>> changes a year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
>>>> are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
>>>> satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will
>>>> be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean
>>>> in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a
>>>> specialist not to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to
>>>> your house, ask him/her if your system is cycling products and if there
>>>> is an evident cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go
>>>> to your closest pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll
>>>> need it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jrs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[J R-S]

I will have to agree, so many people can't be wrong. It makes more sense
that I accept my arrogance and understand that the problem is me...

jrs
"Don Geddis" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote on Sun, 19 Mar 2006:
>> All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare
>> to
>> break from the main stream.
>
> You're confused about the reason.
>
> People here actually like "breaking from the mainstream". For example, it
> was interesting when Ron Shimek (and others) started suggesting the
> benefits
> of keeping a Deep Sand Bed in a reef aquarium. That's a relatively new
> suggestion in the hobby. Ron provided lots of data, analysis,
> suggestions,
> keep tons of successful tanks himself, wrote (and published) scientific
> articles in marine biology journals, etc. All good stuff. No negative
> reaction from "the establishment".
>
> On the other hand, you've received "insult after insult" because you're
> an asshole, not because you "dare" to break from the mainstream.
>
> Lots of people have explained to you why, starting from the insulting tone
> of your own messages, to your arguments from authority ("I'm a marine
> biologist"), to your premature claims of success ("this is a better idea
> ...
> or will be in a few months when everything settles down"), to your claims
> of
> secret knowledge that somehow we're all too silly to adopt, yet you won't
> actually reveal even the slightest detail.
>
> This is why you're being insulted. Because you're an idiot.
>
> However, plenty of nice, intelligent people have suggested new
> methodologies
> for reef aquariums, and been welcomed with open arms. The difference in
> your case is ... you.
>
> -- Don
> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
> Don Geddis
> http://reef.geddis.org/
> We like to praise birds for flying. But how much of it is actually
> flying, and
> how much of it is just sort of coasting from the previous flap?
> -- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

[AverageSchmuck]

Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and that is
well to everyone without exception.


However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and dredging up
old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about to embark on a
Biology degree and I am very very seriously thinking about going
towards Marine biology. I have a number of hurdles one being I can not
communcate well <take a look at my grammer and spelling>. Another
hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle not working
very well. I would be very interested in whatever information people
are willing to share on either side of these Aquarist and marine
biology seriously.

[J R-S]

Well, let me give you my view...
As for deciding for a biology career, Marine Biology is not the most
profitable one. There are little positions and a lot of competition.
Nevertheless is more profitable than Oceanography, you see, if you want to
be in a ship 3/4 of the year, you want to be an oceanographer. A marine
biologists is more of a lab freak. You will be learning how to deal with
ALL the newest equipment and software there is.
There is when a marine biologist looks more like an aquarist. We spend a
lot of time in the lab testing, testing and testing some more. Then we read
and test some more.
An aquarist is just a hobbyist that chose aquariums as it target hobby.
I mixed both looking for a cheaper way to built a sal****er aquarium with my
coastal experience and some experience working for the Department of Health;
Environmental Protection.
It is interesting how easy is to apply your lab knowledge to a custom
aquarium and how much money you save.
About your ankle, well, you are going to be in the lab not scuba diving, for
the latter, become an oceanographer.
In my case, I have two publications, one with the Journal of Marine Biology
of the University of Miami and the other as a comulative environmental
impact statement in the XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto
Rico. Currently I am producing and editing a series of fieldguides of the
wildlife of the Florida Keys, an interactive software to help in the
delineation of wetlands in Central Florida and developing a maintenance-less
filtration system for small sal****er aquariums. I am also a step away from
entering a university in search of a PhD.
What does it all have to do with your knee? an accident destroyed half of
my left knee's ligaments, pressure-fracture my lumbar 1 & 3 and left me
partially incapacitaded, yet look at all I've accomplished.
Don't let any physical impediment be an obstacle in your life!
jrs
"AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message
...
> Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and that is
> well to everyone without exception.
>
>
> However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
> interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and dredging up
> old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about to embark on a
> Biology degree and I am very very seriously thinking about going
> towards Marine biology. I have a number of hurdles one being I can not
> communcate well <take a look at my grammer and spelling>. Another
> hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle not working
> very well. I would be very interested in whatever information people
> are willing to share on either side of these Aquarist and marine
> biology seriously.
>

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> In my case, I have two publications,
> one with the Journal of Marine Biology of the University of Miami
> and the other as a comulative environmental impact statement in
> the XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto Rico.

Is there any way to see this copy of the "Journal of Marine Biology"?
I have visited the library of University of Miami online and
they do not list this journal title at all. Is the journal name
any different? Or maybe I did not look hard enough... ?

I was also searching journals catalog by your first & last name and
also could not find it. I am so much interested in reading any of
your marine biologists texts but they are so, so hard to find!

[Boomer]

"Nevertheless is more profitable than Oceanography, you see, if you want to
be in a ship 3/4 of the year, you want to be an oceanographer. A marine
biologists is more of a lab freak."

You are clueless again lol Troll


" XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto
" Rico.

Sure, show me a link to that or any ref to that

--
Boomer

If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS

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"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
: Well, let me give you my view...
: As for deciding for a biology career, Marine Biology is not the most
: profitable one. There are little positions and a lot of competition.
: Nevertheless is more profitable than Oceanography, you see, if you want to
: be in a ship 3/4 of the year, you want to be an oceanographer. A marine
: biologists is more of a lab freak. You will be learning how to deal with
: ALL the newest equipment and software there is.
: There is when a marine biologist looks more like an aquarist. We spend a
: lot of time in the lab testing, testing and testing some more. Then we read
: and test some more.
: An aquarist is just a hobbyist that chose aquariums as it target hobby.
: I mixed both looking for a cheaper way to built a sal****er aquarium with my
: coastal experience and some experience working for the Department of Health;
: Environmental Protection.
: It is interesting how easy is to apply your lab knowledge to a custom
: aquarium and how much money you save.
: About your ankle, well, you are going to be in the lab not scuba diving, for
: the latter, become an oceanographer.
: In my case, I have two publications, one with the Journal of Marine Biology
: of the University of Miami and the other as a comulative environmental
: impact statement in the XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto
: Rico. Currently I am producing and editing a series of fieldguides of the
: wildlife of the Florida Keys, an interactive software to help in the
: delineation of wetlands in Central Florida and developing a maintenance-less
: filtration system for small sal****er aquariums. I am also a step away from
: entering a university in search of a PhD.
: What does it all have to do with your knee? an accident destroyed half of
: my left knee's ligaments, pressure-fracture my lumbar 1 & 3 and left me
: partially incapacitaded, yet look at all I've accomplished.
: Don't let any physical impediment be an obstacle in your life!
: jrs
: "AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and that is
: > well to everyone without exception.
: >
: >
: > However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
: > interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and dredging up
: > old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about to embark on a
: > Biology degree and I am very very seriously thinking about going
: > towards Marine biology. I have a number of hurdles one being I can not
: > communcate well <take a look at my grammer and spelling>. Another
: > hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle not working
: > very well. I would be very interested in whatever information people
: > are willing to share on either side of these Aquarist and marine
: > biology seriously.
: >
:
:

[Boomer]

PZM

There is no such think as "Journal of Marine Biology
of the University of Miami"

But there is the Journal of Marine Biology
http://www.springerlink.com/(qtzhqd55htlj0n450nwhek45)/app/home/journal.asp?referrer=parent&backto=linkingpublicationresults,1:106515,1


He is just a TROLL


--
Boomer

If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS

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[Pszemol]

"Boomer" > wrote in message ...
> There is no such think as "Journal of Marine Biology
> of the University of Miami"
>
> But there is the Journal of Marine Biology
> http://www.springerlink.com/(qtzhqd55htlj0n450nwhek45)/app/home/journal.asp?referrer=parent&backto=linkingpublicationresults,1:106515,1

Oh come on, give him a chance...
Maybe he has just misspelled the name of the journal ? ;-)

Anyway - two publications in a whole scientific career - that is really impressive! ;-)

Any other marine biologist, for example, professor Benayahu, might be very jealous
of these great Jaime's achievements. Jaime is like a Science King compared to this guy:
http://www.tau.ac.il/lifesci/departments/zoology/members/benayahu/benayahu.html
It will be really hard to find another guy with a great career like Jaime... we need to
consider ourselves very lucky his Highness lowered to our level and is speaking to us... ;-)

[AverageSchmuck]

Wow Pz I doubt anyone can compete with that guy .. That has to be the
culmination of 30 or more years of serious work.

But as far as Marine Biology I was reading a guide other day published
from NOAA and National Sea Grant College Program named
MarineScienceCareers.pdf Sorry I would offer up a link but to be
honest cant remeber it of top of head. Well anyhow it is a collection
mostly of interviews from various people within that spectrum of
careers. I saw everything from Marine Vets, to researchers on reefs
and inside labs and I think even some that worked in Medical areas of
research. Seems to me the spectrum of careers are very wide from one
degree path or am I very confused here? Their was also Aquarists in
their also with Marine Biology degrees and what they described they
were doing seemed to be above and beyond the small tank I have in my
house that is for sure. When I was in Alaska a year ago I got to visit
the Marine Life Rescue Center up their .. Now that place was just
awesome to me and seemed to me their was a lot of Aquarists their but
hard for me to beleive that all of those people housing out the tanks
all probably were working on PhDs.. and here I am a middle aged
aspiring poop scrub I suppose .. LOL

[Don Geddis]

"J R-S" > wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
> I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.

So, you're not even a graduate student yet?

And here I had the impression that you were a professor with a long and
distinguished career. (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.) Instead,
you're just a college grad.

OK, no shame in that. Thanks for clearing it up, though.

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
The chicken is involved; the pig is committed.

[Pszemol]

"Don Geddis" > wrote in message ...
> "J R-S" > wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
>> I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.
>
> So, you're not even a graduate student yet?
>
> And here I had the impression that you were a professor with a long and
> distinguished career. (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.) Instead,
> you're just a college grad.
>
> OK, no shame in that. Thanks for clearing it up, though.

Pretty disappointing, isn't it ? ;-)

[AverageSchmuck]

You know what is disappointing to me .. I am a 30 year old BLUE COLLAR
WORKER without any college education. Served in military and seen
Kuwaitii sand on 3 different occasions and I know when to stop
throwing cheap shots at people caus eI got some difference of opinion.
Seriously this group has and continually and is letting me down. On
first glace it appears to be a bunch of very helpful indivuduals but
dare not put your foot in your mouth once not like noone in here has
EVER DONE THAT! Seriously you have a PhD and other person is min a
bachelors to claim themselves an Electronic engineer and you guys
seriously are hung up on creditals and not trying to help. Stop with
the damn EGO BOOSTER CRAP already.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:06:56 -0800, Don Geddis > wrote:

>"J R-S" > wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
>> I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.
>
>So, you're not even a graduate student yet?
>
>And here I had the impression that you were a professor with a long and
>distinguished career. (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.) Instead,
>you're just a college grad.
>
>OK, no shame in that. Thanks for clearing it up, though.
>
> -- Don
>__________________________________________________ _____________________________
>Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
>The chicken is involved; the pig is committed.

[AverageSchmuck]

And I guess I better stop posting in here since after I wont be
wlecome either lat and luck .. It doesnt matter what the guy is to be
honest .. He obviously put the axe down in past few posts didnt he ..
think about that for a sec

Later and luck with all this crap!


On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:24:37 GMT, AverageSchmuck >
wrote:

>You know what is disappointing to me .. I am a 30 year old BLUE COLLAR
>WORKER without any college education. Served in military and seen
>Kuwaitii sand on 3 different occasions and I know when to stop
>throwing cheap shots at people caus eI got some difference of opinion.
>Seriously this group has and continually and is letting me down. On
>first glace it appears to be a bunch of very helpful indivuduals but
>dare not put your foot in your mouth once not like noone in here has
>EVER DONE THAT! Seriously you have a PhD and other person is min a
>bachelors to claim themselves an Electronic engineer and you guys
>seriously are hung up on creditals and not trying to help. Stop with
>the damn EGO BOOSTER CRAP already.
>
>On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:06:56 -0800, Don Geddis > wrote:
>
>>"J R-S" > wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
>>> I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.
>>
>>So, you're not even a graduate student yet?
>>
>>And here I had the impression that you were a professor with a long and
>>distinguished career. (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.) Instead,
>>you're just a college grad.
>>
>>OK, no shame in that. Thanks for clearing it up, though.
>>
>> -- Don
>>__________________________________________________ _____________________________
>>Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
>>The chicken is involved; the pig is committed.

[Pszemol]

You simply do not get it. That is the problem!

This thread was NOT about joining biologists profession.
Re-read the original poster and try to understand the subject.
It was just about Jaime complaining how bad group treated him...
And how does he disrespect everybody here because we are
simple hobbyist and not BIG SHOT "professionals" like him...
And it turned out his whole career achevments are two (2)
papers with a very suspicious existence anyway...

[J R-S]

To tell you the truth, the name is Bulletin not journal but I will post the
proper citation here later. No problem, if you just want to dissect it to
find any excuse to challenge my credibility, well, you'll find it.
Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic, your over
spending on useless technology is...

jrs
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In my case, I have two publications,
>> one with the Journal of Marine Biology of the University of Miami
>> and the other as a comulative environmental impact statement in
>> the XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto Rico.
>
> Is there any way to see this copy of the "Journal of Marine Biology"?
> I have visited the library of University of Miami online and
> they do not list this journal title at all. Is the journal name
> any different? Or maybe I did not look hard enough... ?
>
> I was also searching journals catalog by your first & last name and
> also could not find it. I am so much interested in reading any of
> your marine biologists texts but they are so, so hard to find!

[J R-S]

lol, you are so pathetic I am not going to bother with you anymore, ignored
from now on!

jrs
"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> "Nevertheless is more profitable than Oceanography, you see, if you want
> to
> be in a ship 3/4 of the year, you want to be an oceanographer. A marine
> biologists is more of a lab freak."
>
> You are clueless again lol Troll
>
>
> " XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto
> " Rico.
>
> Sure, show me a link to that or any ref to that
>
> --
> Boomer
>
> If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
>
> Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
> Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
>
> Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
> http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
>
> Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
> http://www.coralrealm.com
>
>
>
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
> : Well, let me give you my view...
> : As for deciding for a biology career, Marine Biology is not the most
> : profitable one. There are little positions and a lot of competition.
> : Nevertheless is more profitable than Oceanography, you see, if you want
> to
> : be in a ship 3/4 of the year, you want to be an oceanographer. A marine
> : biologists is more of a lab freak. You will be learning how to deal
> with
> : ALL the newest equipment and software there is.
> : There is when a marine biologist looks more like an aquarist. We spend
> a
> : lot of time in the lab testing, testing and testing some more. Then we
> read
> : and test some more.
> : An aquarist is just a hobbyist that chose aquariums as it target hobby.
> : I mixed both looking for a cheaper way to built a sal****er aquarium
> with my
> : coastal experience and some experience working for the Department of
> Health;
> : Environmental Protection.
> : It is interesting how easy is to apply your lab knowledge to a custom
> : aquarium and how much money you save.
> : About your ankle, well, you are going to be in the lab not scuba diving,
> for
> : the latter, become an oceanographer.
> : In my case, I have two publications, one with the Journal of Marine
> Biology
> : of the University of Miami and the other as a comulative environmental
> : impact statement in the XVIII symposium of the natural resources of
> Puerto
> : Rico. Currently I am producing and editing a series of fieldguides of
> the
> : wildlife of the Florida Keys, an interactive software to help in the
> : delineation of wetlands in Central Florida and developing a
> maintenance-less
> : filtration system for small sal****er aquariums. I am also a step away
> from
> : entering a university in search of a PhD.
> : What does it all have to do with your knee? an accident destroyed half
> of
> : my left knee's ligaments, pressure-fracture my lumbar 1 & 3 and left me
> : partially incapacitaded, yet look at all I've accomplished.
> : Don't let any physical impediment be an obstacle in your life!
> : jrs
> : "AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and that is
> : > well to everyone without exception.
> : >
> : >
> : > However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
> : > interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and dredging up
> : > old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about to embark on a
> : > Biology degree and I am very very seriously thinking about going
> : > towards Marine biology. I have a number of hurdles one being I can not
> : > communcate well <take a look at my grammer and spelling>. Another
> : > hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle not working
> : > very well. I would be very interested in whatever information people
> : > are willing to share on either side of these Aquarist and marine
> : > biology seriously.
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> To tell you the truth, the name is Bulletin not journal but I will post the
> proper citation here later. No problem, if you just want to dissect it to
> find any excuse to challenge my credibility, well, you'll find it.

http://mt7kx4ww9u.search.serialssolutions.com/?V=1.0&L=MT7KX4WW9U&S=T_AZ&C=B&N=25&B=1400
Let me guess, it was not a "journal" but "bulletin", and not "marine biology"
but "marine science" or something else - you are not really sure what... ;-)

> Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic,

YOU are making yourself a topic! Nobody wants that, but you made yet
another topic not related to marine aquariums on this newsgroup...

> your over spending on useless technology is...

I am not overspending - my tank is using very natural methods
well known in this hobby before you have even started your first tank.
I wonder when you will realise you are trying to reinvent the wheel...

[Pszemol]

"Boomer" > wrote in message ...
> " XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto
> " Rico.
>
> Sure, show me a link to that or any ref to that

Look for "XVIII Simposio de los recursos naturales".
I have found something about XVII'th but nothing about XVIII'th.
Knowing how precise Jaime is with his quotations, it could
be even XIII or VII Simposio. It was so important paper even
he does not really remember ;-)

[Boomer]

Here let me help you find it

Bulletin of Marine Science, Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science,
University of Miami, 4600 Rickenbacker Causeway, Miami, Florida

http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/bms/thejournal.html


That is a far cry from the title you gave "Journal of Marine Biology
of the University of Miami"

So, you should now a friend of mine there to back you up, Dr. Frank Millero. Should I give
him a buzz ??????
--
Boomer

If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS

Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php

Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
http://www.coralrealm.com



"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
: To tell you the truth, the name is Bulletin not journal but I will post the
: proper citation here later. No problem, if you just want to dissect it to
: find any excuse to challenge my credibility, well, you'll find it.
: Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic, your over
: spending on useless technology is...
:
: jrs
:

[Pszemol]

"AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message ...
> Like I said before ..
>
> DOES IT REALLY MATTER?

Yes, it does matter what the the thread is about :-)

> See your wanting to completely humilate a
> human being over this .. You looking to take apart everything he has
> ever done and will do over something completely petty .. that is
> ridiculous

You are missing the point, again.
I would suggest you to do a quick search of articles Jaime wrote here
and read them to get your own opinion. It looks like you have joined
this group recently and you have not witnessed his previous "shows".

Here is a link to this newsgroup archives:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Arec.aquaria.marine.reefs+author%3 Ajaime_rs%40hotmail.com

[AverageSchmuck]

I think I get get it now .. You ****ed on the trees and he is on wrong
side of them.. Oh sorry didnt realize you have staked out a portion of
the net. I know that is completely ridiculous statement but that is
what is going on here. hmm maybe a time line will help me understand

1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe maybe
not
2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at each
other
5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still not
providing information
7. people still thowing stones at each other


Do you see here their seems to repitive nature to this paradign here.
The insults and trying to tear down a person is not getting you this
precious information your wanting to see. I hate to have to explain it
but what you have chosen to call off topic I call trying to turn a
negative downward spiralling conversation to something constructive
and maybe just maybe some sort of information would be produced. I
mean after all you can catch more flies with honey than vineger.

Their is absolutely no reason to attempt to kill someone reputation
over a claim they made if that was true the entire scientific
community would be in complete ruins .. Some very respected people of
today and yesterday have some very radical theories out their that
were never accepted in community but yet they still produced something
worth while later or earlier in their careers. Ussually best to in my
opinion to say eh I chose to disagree till I can be provided with
data to show me otherwise and leave it their. That way your still
looked at as an open resource and so are they. Nobody is ****ed nobody
is enemies and most of all noone has to waste their time with constant
insults. See when a person makes a claim and doesnt provide data they
have already lost debate until data is provided so no matter how you
see it your point was made leave it their already.

Hell I more than anyone would love to be able to have a reef without
MH lights etc.. OMG I would love that then I would have several but I
can barely afford the one I got because .. bingo lighting is insanely
expensive and I make my own completely from local electrical supply.
So I am already getting off cheaper than buying coralife or some of
those other lighting products on market.



On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:13:49 -0600, "Pszemol" >
wrote:

>"AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message ...
>> Like I said before ..
>>
>> DOES IT REALLY MATTER?
>
>Yes, it does matter what the the thread is about :-)
>
>> See your wanting to completely humilate a
>> human being over this .. You looking to take apart everything he has
>> ever done and will do over something completely petty .. that is
>> ridiculous
>
>You are missing the point, again.
>I would suggest you to do a quick search of articles Jaime wrote here
>and read them to get your own opinion. It looks like you have joined
>this group recently and you have not witnessed his previous "shows".
>
>Here is a link to this newsgroup archives:
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Arec.aquaria.marine.reefs+author%3 Ajaime_rs%40hotmail.com

[Don Geddis]

>>"J R-S" > wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
>>> I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.

I wrote:
>> (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.)

AverageSchmuck > wrote on Tue, 21 Mar 2006:
> You know what is disappointing to me .. I am a 30 year old BLUE COLLAR
> WORKER without any college education.
> Seriously you have a PhD and other person is min a bachelors to claim
> themselves an Electronic engineer and you guys seriously are hung up on
> creditals and not trying to help.

I think you missed the context a bit, which is why you're interpreting my
reply too strongly.

This started with Jaime, who claimed that we were all ignorant hobbyists,
spending way too much on equipment for our tanks, when a much simpler method
(but secret to Jaime) would be just as successful for much less money. And
that we were all fools, just supporting the corrupt aquarium stores.

And the real key, for Jaime, was that he was a Marine Biologist, whereas we
were all just aquarium hobbyists. That's pretty much the only real claim he
made, since he wouldn't tell us what his cheap trick was (for growing stony
corals without expensive lighting, for example).

So you see, it was Jaime who brought up the idea that credentials matter.
And who constantly claimed (erroneously) to be the only "real" scientist in
this group.

But now, weeks/months later, it turns out that Jaime doesn't have much a formal
education himself, much less in fact than many people on this group. So it's
kind of silly all the effort he spent to indicate how much smarter and more
experienced he was than all the rest of us. That's what prompted my sarcastic
reply.

As it turns out, I agree completely with you. Credentials don't matter. Let's
hear your ideas. Do you have a new way of doing things, or a new suggestion?
Let's hear it! Do you have advice for a reefkeeper with a problem? Go ahead
and share! I'm much more interested in what kind of experience someone has
with actually running and keeping a real reef aquarium, than in any kind of
formal education.

And, for what it's worth, my own PhD was in computer science, so it has almost
nothing to do with anything on this group. It's only given me the perspective
to not be impressed with other people solely because they have a PhD. And of
course, Jaime doesn't even have that, which is why his claim to formal
credentials ("I'm a marine biologist!") is so funny.

So let's forget about this whole thread, and just go back to talking about
growing fish and corals in reef tanks. Sound good?

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
If I come back as an animal in my next lifetime, I hope it's some type of
parasite, because this is the part where I take it EASY!
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

[AverageSchmuck]

Then I do apologize to you Don. The only reason I responded to
strongly was simply from all the cheap shots this individual is
receiving. Esspecially over something that really matters none at all.
I get insulted on daily basis sometimes and honestly I rarely ever
respond to it. Not because I am scarred of challenge etc but mostly
due to why bother. Sometimes those insulting me find out in future
that they were wrong we become peaceful and discuss things and totally
forget that we had a rocky beginning. Maybe I have too much hope in
people but I have never given up on people and never will even though
I tend to be elusive cause I at root hate people. if that makes any
sense


On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:09:56 -0800, Don Geddis > wrote:

>>>"J R-S" > wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
>>>> I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.
>
>I wrote:
>>> (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.)
>
>AverageSchmuck > wrote on Tue, 21 Mar 2006:
>> You know what is disappointing to me .. I am a 30 year old BLUE COLLAR
>> WORKER without any college education.
>> Seriously you have a PhD and other person is min a bachelors to claim
>> themselves an Electronic engineer and you guys seriously are hung up on
>> creditals and not trying to help.
>
>I think you missed the context a bit, which is why you're interpreting my
>reply too strongly.
>
>This started with Jaime, who claimed that we were all ignorant hobbyists,
>spending way too much on equipment for our tanks, when a much simpler method
>(but secret to Jaime) would be just as successful for much less money. And
>that we were all fools, just supporting the corrupt aquarium stores.
>
>And the real key, for Jaime, was that he was a Marine Biologist, whereas we
>were all just aquarium hobbyists. That's pretty much the only real claim he
>made, since he wouldn't tell us what his cheap trick was (for growing stony
>corals without expensive lighting, for example).
>
>So you see, it was Jaime who brought up the idea that credentials matter.
>And who constantly claimed (erroneously) to be the only "real" scientist in
>this group.
>
>But now, weeks/months later, it turns out that Jaime doesn't have much a formal
>education himself, much less in fact than many people on this group. So it's
>kind of silly all the effort he spent to indicate how much smarter and more
>experienced he was than all the rest of us. That's what prompted my sarcastic
>reply.
>
>As it turns out, I agree completely with you. Credentials don't matter. Let's
>hear your ideas. Do you have a new way of doing things, or a new suggestion?
>Let's hear it! Do you have advice for a reefkeeper with a problem? Go ahead
>and share! I'm much more interested in what kind of experience someone has
>with actually running and keeping a real reef aquarium, than in any kind of
>formal education.
>
>And, for what it's worth, my own PhD was in computer science, so it has almost
>nothing to do with anything on this group. It's only given me the perspective
>to not be impressed with other people solely because they have a PhD. And of
>course, Jaime doesn't even have that, which is why his claim to formal
>credentials ("I'm a marine biologist!") is so funny.
>
>So let's forget about this whole thread, and just go back to talking about
>growing fish and corals in reef tanks. Sound good?
>
> -- Don
>__________________________________________________ _____________________________
>Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
>If I come back as an animal in my next lifetime, I hope it's some type of
>parasite, because this is the part where I take it EASY!
> -- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

[Pszemol]

"AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message ...
> See when a person makes a claim and doesnt provide data they
> have already lost debate until data is provided so no matter how you
> see it your point was made leave it their already.

I am not sure if you have noticed Mr. Schmuck, but the debate about his filter
is over for a long time... He lost it long time ago, like you said, not providing data.

Have you checked the newsgroup archives I pointed you at ?

Now he started kind of "second stage". Now he is crying over how
the group treated him... A group of moronic hobbysts treated him,
famous and acomplished scientist. In this thread, some people knowing
his previous claims were just amused with his baby cry... that is all.

Nobody is hoping to get any useful information from this guy anymore.
He can't even corectly state the journal name he wrote an article to...
That is pathetic. End of story.

And you, if you really want to learn about becoming marine biologist,
you better ask somebody successful in this field... Do not ask Jaime,
because his is nobody. He is very confused himself on what to do...

[AverageSchmuck]

None of us are perfect. One of lifes hardest lessons is humilty. Some
of us obviously never learned it while others have had a healthy dose.

And BTW I could careless about your google link. Some of us have this
group archived for about 6 months back headers and everything so
please stop reminding me of your efficient use of google.

[J R-S]

Well little fellow, is OK, whatever you want to think is fine with me. I am
not going to disclose my identity in this forum, take what you have and that
is it.
Now, I have more and better things to do with my time than to answer your
boring replies...

jrs
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> To tell you the truth, the name is Bulletin not journal but I will post
>> the proper citation here later. No problem, if you just want to dissect
>> it to find any excuse to challenge my credibility, well, you'll find it.
>
> http://mt7kx4ww9u.search.serialssolutions.com/?V=1.0&L=MT7KX4WW9U&S=T_AZ&C=B&N=25&B=1400
> Let me guess, it was not a "journal" but "bulletin", and not "marine
> biology"
> but "marine science" or something else - you are not really sure what...
> ;-)
>
>> Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic,
>
> YOU are making yourself a topic! Nobody wants that, but you made yet
> another topic not related to marine aquariums on this newsgroup...
>
>> your over spending on useless technology is...
>
> I am not overspending - my tank is using very natural methods
> well known in this hobby before you have even started your first tank.
> I wonder when you will realise you are trying to reinvent the wheel...

[J R-S]

I am sorry but telling you who I am will not accomplish anything.
If you agree with my posting fine, if you don´t, is fine too.
My researches tell me something totally different from what you are doing
and that is it...
jrs
"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> Here let me help you find it
>
> Bulletin of Marine Science, Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric
> Science,
> University of Miami, 4600 Rickenbacker Causeway, Miami, Florida
>
> http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/bms/thejournal.html
>
>
> That is a far cry from the title you gave "Journal of Marine Biology
> of the University of Miami"
>
> So, you should now a friend of mine there to back you up, Dr. Frank
> Millero. Should I give
> him a buzz ??????
> --
> Boomer
>
> If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
>
> Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
> Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
>
> Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
> http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
>
> Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
> http://www.coralrealm.com
>
>
>
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
> : To tell you the truth, the name is Bulletin not journal but I will post
> the
> : proper citation here later. No problem, if you just want to dissect it
> to
> : find any excuse to challenge my credibility, well, you'll find it.
> : Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic, your over
> : spending on useless technology is...
> :
> : jrs
> :
>
>

[J R-S]

Wao, even thou you don´t agree with my postings, you really stopped the
scrimmage against me, thanks
But most of them are right, I am the one who brought credentials to the
table not realizing that I couldn´t say who I was nor what I´ve done. Now
is a little too late so I just decided to yield and back off.
Thanks again!

jrs
"AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message
...
> Then I do apologize to you Don. The only reason I responded to
> strongly was simply from all the cheap shots this individual is
> receiving. Esspecially over something that really matters none at all.
> I get insulted on daily basis sometimes and honestly I rarely ever
> respond to it. Not because I am scarred of challenge etc but mostly
> due to why bother. Sometimes those insulting me find out in future
> that they were wrong we become peaceful and discuss things and totally
> forget that we had a rocky beginning. Maybe I have too much hope in
> people but I have never given up on people and never will even though
> I tend to be elusive cause I at root hate people. if that makes any
> sense
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:09:56 -0800, Don Geddis > wrote:
>
>>>>"J R-S" > wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
>>>>> I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.
>>
>>I wrote:
>>>> (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.)
>>
>>AverageSchmuck > wrote on Tue, 21 Mar 2006:
>>> You know what is disappointing to me .. I am a 30 year old BLUE COLLAR
>>> WORKER without any college education.
>>> Seriously you have a PhD and other person is min a bachelors to claim
>>> themselves an Electronic engineer and you guys seriously are hung up on
>>> creditals and not trying to help.
>>
>>I think you missed the context a bit, which is why you're interpreting my
>>reply too strongly.
>>
>>This started with Jaime, who claimed that we were all ignorant hobbyists,
>>spending way too much on equipment for our tanks, when a much simpler
>>method
>>(but secret to Jaime) would be just as successful for much less money.
>>And
>>that we were all fools, just supporting the corrupt aquarium stores.
>>
>>And the real key, for Jaime, was that he was a Marine Biologist, whereas
>>we
>>were all just aquarium hobbyists. That's pretty much the only real claim
>>he
>>made, since he wouldn't tell us what his cheap trick was (for growing
>>stony
>>corals without expensive lighting, for example).
>>
>>So you see, it was Jaime who brought up the idea that credentials matter.
>>And who constantly claimed (erroneously) to be the only "real" scientist
>>in
>>this group.
>>
>>But now, weeks/months later, it turns out that Jaime doesn't have much a
>>formal
>>education himself, much less in fact than many people on this group. So
>>it's
>>kind of silly all the effort he spent to indicate how much smarter and
>>more
>>experienced he was than all the rest of us. That's what prompted my
>>sarcastic
>>reply.
>>
>>As it turns out, I agree completely with you. Credentials don't matter.
>>Let's
>>hear your ideas. Do you have a new way of doing things, or a new
>>suggestion?
>>Let's hear it! Do you have advice for a reefkeeper with a problem? Go
>>ahead
>>and share! I'm much more interested in what kind of experience someone
>>has
>>with actually running and keeping a real reef aquarium, than in any kind
>>of
>>formal education.
>>
>>And, for what it's worth, my own PhD was in computer science, so it has
>>almost
>>nothing to do with anything on this group. It's only given me the
>>perspective
>>to not be impressed with other people solely because they have a PhD. And
>>of
>>course, Jaime doesn't even have that, which is why his claim to formal
>>credentials ("I'm a marine biologist!") is so funny.
>>
>>So let's forget about this whole thread, and just go back to talking about
>>growing fish and corals in reef tanks. Sound good?
>>
>> -- Don
>>__________________________________________________ _____________________________
>>Don Geddis
>>http://reef.geddis.org/
>>If I come back as an animal in my next lifetime, I hope it's some type of
>>parasite, because this is the part where I take it EASY!
>> -- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey
>

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> Well little fellow, is OK, whatever you want to think is fine with me. I am
> not going to disclose my identity in this forum, take what you have and that
> is it.
> Now, I have more and better things to do with my time than to answer your
> boring replies...

I am sorry to burst your bubble, but... your identity is well known already.

[AverageSchmuck]

My biggest issue has absolutely nothing to do with pointing of
fingers. Maybe you did bring in the issue but to dwell on it
constantly for day after day. To be honest its not like you all are
debating pure fission or time travel theory. Its an argument
concerning research and creditionals where one party even though
brought it up (ie you) choses not to disclose. Whether it is real or
fake has absolutely no bearing on anything. Just a bunch of people
argueing for the sake of argument. If you chose not to disclose then I
suppose that would be your right just keep in mind their is no
credibilty to a claim that has no data. Not an insult not a stab just
a fact. Personally I would love to beleive it is real research but I
have seen nothing to substantiate it so have to assume fiction
section.


This research do you by chance see an estimated time frame of release?
I hestitate to assume it is for real I do apologize but you have not
given much to beleive that your claim is for real.

[AverageSchmuck]

Something jsut occured to me in what you just said is it possible that
your signature is on a Non Disclosure Agreement?


>But most of them are right, I am the one who brought credentials to the
>table not realizing that I couldn´t say who I was nor what I´ve done. Now
>is a little too late so I just decided to yield and back off.

[Wayne Sallee]

J R-S wrote on 3/21/2006 7:50 PM:
> Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic, your over
> spending on useless technology is...


Jaimi, If some rich person invited you over to his house,
would you walk in and start making fun of all the money he
spent decorating his house?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

[Cindy]

J R-S typed:
> My dear Cindy;
> I came here not to brag about my scientific background, yet I did,
> I am sorry..
> I came here not to brag about my inexpensive filter yet I did, I am
> sorry... I came here not to publicize my invention yet I did, I am
> sorry... I built my system in a capitalistic society and it will be sold,
> I
> am sorry...
> I can't tell you how I did it because then I will have nothing to
> sell, I am sorry...
> If you think I am sorry, you most be a fool
>
> jrs

I think YOU are the fool for coming in here, boasting about something you
can't prove and expecting anyone to believe you.

Let us know when it's on the market. Until then, you're wasting our time.

[Cindy]

J R-S typed:
> Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not
> against my findings. That is easily understood since I made a
> head-on attack to the establishment and to stupid
> conventionalities... I can understand that... Nevertheless, I am
> putting my invention on the line and already invited my worst
> attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne and
> after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see
> with your own eyes that the darn thing works!
> jrs

What findings??

[Cindy]

AverageSchmuck typed:
> Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and that
> is well to everyone without exception.
>
>
> However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
> interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and dredging
> up old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about to embark
> on a Biology degree and I am very very seriously thinking about
> going towards Marine biology. I have a number of hurdles one being
> I can not communcate well <take a look at my grammer and spelling>.

Sweetie, that's why we have Spellcheck. :)

> Another hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle not
> working very well. I would be very interested in whatever
> information people are willing to share on either side of these
> Aquarist and marine biology seriously.

[AverageSchmuck]

Well if you know of a spellchecker plugin for Agent Newsreader let me
know otherwipe think u for the remainder that my spoolling is soo
horrrrid. LOL sorry had to

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:30:38 GMT, "Cindy" > wrote:

>AverageSchmuck typed:
>> Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and that
>> is well to everyone without exception.
>>
>>
>> However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
>> interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and dredging
>> up old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about to embark
>> on a Biology degree and I am very very seriously thinking about
>> going towards Marine biology. I have a number of hurdles one being
>> I can not communcate well <take a look at my grammer and spelling>.
>
>Sweetie, that's why we have Spellcheck. :)
>
>> Another hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle not
>> working very well. I would be very interested in whatever
>> information people are willing to share on either side of these
>> Aquarist and marine biology seriously.
>
>

[Cindy]

AverageSchmuck typed:
> Like I said before ..
>
> DOES IT REALLY MATTER? See your wanting to completely humilate a
> human being over this .. You looking to take apart everything he has
> ever done and will do over something completely petty .. that is
> ridiculous

Um, did you read HIS posts? He started the put-downs, insults and negative
crap.

[Cindy]

AverageSchmuck typed:
> Well if you know of a spellchecker plugin for Agent Newsreader let
> me know otherwipe think u for the remainder that my spoolling is soo
> horrrrid. LOL sorry had to

Mmm nope I don't. Now, now, you brought it up first....not insulting you.
:)

>
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:30:38 GMT, "Cindy" >
> wrote:
>
>>AverageSchmuck typed:
>>> Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and
>>> that is well to everyone without exception.
>>>
>>>
>>> However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
>>> interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and
>>> dredging up old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about
>>> to embark on a Biology degree and I am very very seriously
>>> thinking about going towards Marine biology. I have a number of
>>> hurdles one being I can not communcate well <take a look at my
>>> grammer and spelling>.
>>
>>Sweetie, that's why we have Spellcheck. :)
>>
>>> Another hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle
>>> not working very well. I would be very interested in whatever
>>> information people are willing to share on either side of these
>>> Aquarist and marine biology seriously.

[AverageSchmuck]

hehe I know .. I was joking I guess I could have annotated that ..
apologies


On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:41:47 GMT, "Cindy" > wrote:

>AverageSchmuck typed:
>> Well if you know of a spellchecker plugin for Agent Newsreader let
>> me know otherwipe think u for the remainder that my spoolling is soo
>> horrrrid. LOL sorry had to
>
>Mmm nope I don't. Now, now, you brought it up first....not insulting you.
>:)
>
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:30:38 GMT, "Cindy" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>AverageSchmuck typed:
>>>> Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and
>>>> that is well to everyone without exception.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
>>>> interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and
>>>> dredging up old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about
>>>> to embark on a Biology degree and I am very very seriously
>>>> thinking about going towards Marine biology. I have a number of
>>>> hurdles one being I can not communcate well <take a look at my
>>>> grammer and spelling>.
>>>
>>>Sweetie, that's why we have Spellcheck. :)
>>>
>>>> Another hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle
>>>> not working very well. I would be very interested in whatever
>>>> information people are willing to share on either side of these
>>>> Aquarist and marine biology seriously.
>
>

[AverageSchmuck]

yeah but wouldnt you say that is a bit immature though.. He started no
he did.. You said she said .. But you did it first .. I got you last
... etc.. It can go on forever without anything positive ever resulting
from it.

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:36:23 GMT, "Cindy" > wrote:

>AverageSchmuck typed:
>> Like I said before ..
>>
>> DOES IT REALLY MATTER? See your wanting to completely humilate a
>> human being over this .. You looking to take apart everything he has
>> ever done and will do over something completely petty .. that is
>> ridiculous
>
>Um, did you read HIS posts? He started the put-downs, insults and negative
>crap.
>

[Wayne Sallee]

I've got mine farther back than that, But most people
don't, so google is good for point out threads to people.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 6:58 PM:
> None of us are perfect. One of lifes hardest lessons is humilty. Some
> of us obviously never learned it while others have had a healthy dose.
>
> And BTW I could careless about your google link. Some of us have this
> group archived for about 6 months back headers and everything so
> please stop reminding me of your efficient use of google.

[Wayne Sallee]

Umm no you don't have it now. It's all about his claim to
be better, when he is not. If we had not disputed his
false claims, people could think that because he claimed
to be a biologist, that the way he said to set up a reef
tank would work, and they would then be sorely
disappointed when their corals started dying, because they
took advice from someone that claimed to be a biologist,
and they trusted his advice blindly.

That's the great thing about this newsgroup, is that a
person can post a wrong answer, but there are lots of
other people that can come back and correct the answer.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 12:09 PM:
> I think I get get it now ..


>
> 1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
> understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe maybe
> not
> 2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
> 3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
> 4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at each
> other
> 5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
> 6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still not
> providing information
> 7. people still thowing stones at each other

[AverageSchmuck]

Well yeah that part I understand and that was done however why does it
continue?


On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:10:07 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
wrote:

>Umm no you don't have it now. It's all about his claim to
>be better, when he is not. If we had not disputed his
>false claims, people could think that because he claimed
>to be a biologist, that the way he said to set up a reef
>tank would work, and they would then be sorely
>disappointed when their corals started dying, because they
>took advice from someone that claimed to be a biologist,
>and they trusted his advice blindly.
>
>That's the great thing about this newsgroup, is that a
>person can post a wrong answer, but there are lots of
>other people that can come back and correct the answer.
>
>Wayne Sallee
>Wayne's Pets

>
>
>AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 12:09 PM:
>> I think I get get it now ..
>
>
>>
>> 1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
>> understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe maybe
>> not
>> 2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
>> 3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
>> 4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at each
>> other
>> 5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
>> 6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still not
>> providing information
>> 7. people still thowing stones at each other

[Wayne Sallee]

Maybe we have a slight glimmer of hope that he might be
able so offer some value to the newsgroup if he can
straiten his attitude out. He doesn't have a reef tank, so
that limits his knowledge, but maybe he will decide to
spend a little money, so that he can learn what it's
really like to keep a reef aquarium.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:12 PM:
> Well yeah that part I understand and that was done however why does it
> continue?
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:10:07 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
> wrote:
>
>> Umm no you don't have it now. It's all about his claim to
>> be better, when he is not. If we had not disputed his
>> false claims, people could think that because he claimed
>> to be a biologist, that the way he said to set up a reef
>> tank would work, and they would then be sorely
>> disappointed when their corals started dying, because they
>> took advice from someone that claimed to be a biologist,
>> and they trusted his advice blindly.
>>
>> That's the great thing about this newsgroup, is that a
>> person can post a wrong answer, but there are lots of
>> other people that can come back and correct the answer.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
>>
>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 12:09 PM:
>>> I think I get get it now ..
>>
>>> 1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
>>> understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe maybe
>>> not
>>> 2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
>>> 3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
>>> 4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at each
>>> other
>>> 5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
>>> 6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still not
>>> providing information
>>> 7. people still thowing stones at each other
>

[AverageSchmuck]

Well example .. recently I think my lionfish I beleive dislocated his
jaw .. He went over a week without eating . I simply added nutrients
to water and patiently waited for him to be able to open his mouth
wide enough to eat some scallops and shrimp parts from my acrlic stick
... Today finally he ate a shrimp .. Now if I attacked him do you think
I would have gotten that result? I probably would have ended up with a
very swollen painful hand


On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:22:44 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
wrote:

>Maybe we have a slight glimmer of hope that he might be
>able so offer some value to the newsgroup if he can
>straiten his attitude out. He doesn't have a reef tank, so
>that limits his knowledge, but maybe he will decide to
>spend a little money, so that he can learn what it's
>really like to keep a reef aquarium.
>
>Wayne Sallee
>Wayne's Pets

>
>
>AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:12 PM:
>> Well yeah that part I understand and that was done however why does it
>> continue?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:10:07 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Umm no you don't have it now. It's all about his claim to
>>> be better, when he is not. If we had not disputed his
>>> false claims, people could think that because he claimed
>>> to be a biologist, that the way he said to set up a reef
>>> tank would work, and they would then be sorely
>>> disappointed when their corals started dying, because they
>>> took advice from someone that claimed to be a biologist,
>>> and they trusted his advice blindly.
>>>
>>> That's the great thing about this newsgroup, is that a
>>> person can post a wrong answer, but there are lots of
>>> other people that can come back and correct the answer.
>>>
>>> Wayne Sallee
>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 12:09 PM:
>>>> I think I get get it now ..
>>>
>>>> 1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
>>>> understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe maybe
>>>> not
>>>> 2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
>>>> 3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
>>>> 4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at each
>>>> other
>>>> 5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
>>>> 6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still not
>>>> providing information
>>>> 7. people still thowing stones at each other
>>

[Wayne Sallee]

Depends on how you pick him up :-)

I've caught lion fish with my hands.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:28 PM:
> Well example .. recently I think my lionfish I beleive dislocated his
> jaw .. He went over a week without eating . I simply added nutrients
> to water and patiently waited for him to be able to open his mouth
> wide enough to eat some scallops and shrimp parts from my acrlic stick
> ... Today finally he ate a shrimp .. Now if I attacked him do you think
> I would have gotten that result? I probably would have ended up with a
> very swollen painful hand
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:22:44 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe we have a slight glimmer of hope that he might be
>> able so offer some value to the newsgroup if he can
>> straiten his attitude out. He doesn't have a reef tank, so
>> that limits his knowledge, but maybe he will decide to
>> spend a little money, so that he can learn what it's
>> really like to keep a reef aquarium.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
>>
>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:12 PM:
>>> Well yeah that part I understand and that was done however why does it
>>> continue?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:10:07 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Umm no you don't have it now. It's all about his claim to
>>>> be better, when he is not. If we had not disputed his
>>>> false claims, people could think that because he claimed
>>>> to be a biologist, that the way he said to set up a reef
>>>> tank would work, and they would then be sorely
>>>> disappointed when their corals started dying, because they
>>>> took advice from someone that claimed to be a biologist,
>>>> and they trusted his advice blindly.
>>>>
>>>> That's the great thing about this newsgroup, is that a
>>>> person can post a wrong answer, but there are lots of
>>>> other people that can come back and correct the answer.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 12:09 PM:
>>>>> I think I get get it now ..
>>>>> 1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
>>>>> understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe maybe
>>>>> not
>>>>> 2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
>>>>> 3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
>>>>> 4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at each
>>>>> other
>>>>> 5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
>>>>> 6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still not
>>>>> providing information
>>>>> 7. people still thowing stones at each other
>

[J R-S]

So? do with it whatever you please, now, lets go back to our topic...

jrs
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Well little fellow, is OK, whatever you want to think is fine with me. I
>> am not going to disclose my identity in this forum, take what you have
>> and that is it.
>> Now, I have more and better things to do with my time than to answer your
>> boring replies...
>
> I am sorry to burst your bubble, but... your identity is well known
> already.

[J R-S]

Believe me, I expect that by July it will be finished but, again, I don't
think that releasing anything will change the minds of anyone here. Thanks
God the people that has seen the filter working want it and I have a
pre-order for next year.

jrs
"AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message
...
> My biggest issue has absolutely nothing to do with pointing of
> fingers. Maybe you did bring in the issue but to dwell on it
> constantly for day after day. To be honest its not like you all are
> debating pure fission or time travel theory. Its an argument
> concerning research and creditionals where one party even though
> brought it up (ie you) choses not to disclose. Whether it is real or
> fake has absolutely no bearing on anything. Just a bunch of people
> argueing for the sake of argument. If you chose not to disclose then I
> suppose that would be your right just keep in mind their is no
> credibilty to a claim that has no data. Not an insult not a stab just
> a fact. Personally I would love to beleive it is real research but I
> have seen nothing to substantiate it so have to assume fiction
> section.
>
>
> This research do you by chance see an estimated time frame of release?
> I hestitate to assume it is for real I do apologize but you have not
> given much to beleive that your claim is for real.

[J R-S]

You are amazing, hey, if the guy spends his money like Donald Trump, OF
COURSE, the money that you over spend in ANYTHING is money that you can't
spend the right way in something worst it..

jrs
"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
>J R-S wrote on 3/21/2006 7:50 PM:
>> Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic, your over
>> spending on useless technology is...
>
>
> Jaimi, If some rich person invited you over to his house, would you walk
> in and start making fun of all the money he spent decorating his house?
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>

[J R-S]

Dear Cindy;
Weather to believe me or not is subject to the beholder...
If you feel that you may learn a little and want to challenge my points,
great, if you think I am not worst the time spent, why do you care answering
me?

jrs
"Cindy" > wrote in message
. com...
>J R-S typed:
>> My dear Cindy;
>> I came here not to brag about my scientific background, yet I did,
>> I am sorry..
>> I came here not to brag about my inexpensive filter yet I did, I am
>> sorry... I came here not to publicize my invention yet I did, I am
>> sorry... I built my system in a capitalistic society and it will be sold,
>> I
>> am sorry...
>> I can't tell you how I did it because then I will have nothing to
>> sell, I am sorry...
>> If you think I am sorry, you most be a fool
>>
>> jrs
>
> I think YOU are the fool for coming in here, boasting about something you
> can't prove and expecting anyone to believe you.
>
> Let us know when it's on the market. Until then, you're wasting our time.
>

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> So? do with it whatever you please, now, lets go back to our topic...

I would love to - now, what do you have to say in reef aquarium topic ?
Here is your chance to fix what you have damaged... start talking reef!

[J R-S]

Findings;
1. A sal****er aquarium runs just fine with a $100 illumination system per
36x17 inches of surface area. The price doubles for coral systems. Meaning
that my system is running with a simple 36" twin tube light bought at Petco
and all the parameters are fine together with my fish...
2. The effect that a $150 skimmer has can be accomplished with a simple air
pump and a few plates of plexiglass.
3. Put in series (the order I keep to myself), a calcareous media, bioballs,
Activated Carbon and a secret ingredient will reduce PO4, NH3, NO2, NO3,
control PH and restore water to a usable level WITHOUT MORE THAN 2 WATER
CHANGES A YEAR.
4. there is a lot more that my technique accomplishes but please, don't
waste your time with a poorly educated freak like me. Go to your petshop
and get what you need...

jrs
"Cindy" > wrote in message
. com...
>J R-S typed:
>> Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not
>> against my findings. That is easily understood since I made a
>> head-on attack to the establishment and to stupid
>> conventionalities... I can understand that... Nevertheless, I am
>> putting my invention on the line and already invited my worst
>> attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne and
>> after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see
>> with your own eyes that the darn thing works!
>> jrs
>
> What findings??
>

[Don Geddis]

AverageSchmuck > wrote on Thu, 23 Mar 2006:
> I know it takes two to tango and noone is innocent in the mudslinging just
> somewhere it has to stop cause it will never stop being negative without
> some sort of agreement.

You know, what's odd is that you're the one who is putting in the most energy
to keep this thread going. Half the recent posts in this thread are from
you! Given that Jaime has basically backed down at this point, it probably
would have died already if you didn't continue to tell us about your outrage.
Ironic, huh?

> To be honest what I see is a claim that has absolutely no credibility until
> data has been offered to support it which none as of this post that I am
> aware of so just seems to me a worthless debate until and big if it is
> supplied.

All true, but that didn't stop Jaime (before, not so much recently) from
continuing to comment on other reef posts with short phrases like "LOL! Go
ahead and waste your money on expensive lights if you want! Fool!" And no
further explanation.

It's one thing to say Jaime has a claim with no public data yet. It's another
for Jaime to act as though his claim was proven, and insult anyone who did
things the "standard" way.

Jaime's claims are actually intriguing and suggestive. It's frustrating that
he doesn't yet wish to provide more details, but that's his choice. This
debate was always about tone and attitude on this newsgroup; not facts, claims,
or credentials.

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
When you want to accomplish something, there are different stages that you go
through. The first is to imagine yourself doing whatever it is. The second is
to light up a big cigar, because mister, she's as good as done.
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey [1999]

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> Findings;
> 1. A sal****er aquarium runs just fine with a $100 illumination system per
> 36x17 inches of surface area. The price doubles for coral systems. Meaning
> that my system is running with a simple 36" twin tube light bought at Petco
> and all the parameters are fine together with my fish...

a. since when fish require strong illumination for their health?
b. if your system is fish-only, what can you tell about the coral systems ?
c. I am sure you can make fine working fish-only system with a $40 light
fixture from Walmart/HomeDepot, so you wasted $60 for nothing... :-)

> 2. The effect that a $150 skimmer has can be accomplished with
> a simple air pump and a few plates of plexiglass.

I would like to see that... :-))
Wayne, take his invitation and tell me how does it look like! :-))

> 3. Put in series (the order I keep to myself), a calcareous media, bioballs,
> Activated Carbon and a secret ingredient will reduce PO4, NH3, NO2, NO3,
> control PH and restore water to a usable level WITHOUT MORE THAN 2 WATER
> CHANGES A YEAR.

a. how do you define "usable level"?
b. why bother with expensive bioballs if you have there sand with greater surface?
c. I know big number of aquarists and nobody complains about levels of NH3+ or NO2-
d. how long is your system running to take a valid estimate for 2 water changes per year?

> 4. there is a lot more that my technique accomplishes but please, don't
> waste your time with a poorly educated freak like me. Go to your petshop
> and get what you need...

All questions I have asked before in this subject were ignored and you said
"I want to know too much". Now you are not providing any valuable data again.
You do not say what systems you have tested your method with, for how long,
with what kind of biological load, without measurements for fish/coral growth.
I am pretty sure this time you will not provide response to these questions.
But let's see, you can always prove me wrong and answer my questions... :-)

[Pszemol]

"Don Geddis" > wrote in message ...
> Jaime's claims are actually intriguing and suggestive. It's frustrating that
> he doesn't yet wish to provide more details, but that's his choice. This
> debate was always about tone and attitude on this newsgroup; not facts,
> claims, or credentials.

The burden of proof should fall on the claimant.
Extraordinary claims deserve extraordinary proof.

[TheRock]

HOLY FREAKING THREADS !
THE LAST ONE THAT WAS THIS LONG WAS "WHAT'S THE BEST SALT "
AND GUESS WHO SPARKED THAT LONG DEBATE UP ?!?!
I'M STARTING TO SEE A PATTERN HERE.
IT SEEMS THAT JR-S IS STARVED FOR ATTENTION.

HE POSTS, HE TICKS EVERYONE OFF. FALLS BACK ON I'M A BIO GUY AND THEN
NEVER BACKS UP ANY OF HIS CLAIMS.

WHY DOESN'T HE POST ANY OF HIS JOURNALS WHEN HE ALWAYS FALLS BACK TO
WELL I'M A MARINE BIO GUY AND I WROTE JOURNALS FOR MIAMI U

JR-S SHOW US YOUR WORK OR FADE TO BLACK.
WE ARE GROWING TIERED OF YOUR CORN HOLE.


"AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message
...
> yeah I know but even though different approach a still bit of tact and
> finesse still prevails in end with a constructive and positive result
> versus the slam bash he said she said point finger festival that is
> happening now. I know it takes two to tango and noone is innocent in
> the mudslinging just somewhere it has to stop cause it will never stop
> being negative without some sort of agreement. To be honest what I see
> is a claim that has absolutely no credibility until data has been
> offered to support it which none as of this post that I am aware of so
> just seems to me a worthless debate until and big if it is supplied.
>
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:45:55 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
> wrote:
>
>>Depends on how you pick him up :-)
>>
>>I've caught lion fish with my hands.
>>
>>Wayne Sallee
>>Wayne's Pets

>>
>>
>>AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:28 PM:
>>> Well example .. recently I think my lionfish I beleive dislocated his
>>> jaw .. He went over a week without eating . I simply added nutrients
>>> to water and patiently waited for him to be able to open his mouth
>>> wide enough to eat some scallops and shrimp parts from my acrlic stick
>>> ... Today finally he ate a shrimp .. Now if I attacked him do you think
>>> I would have gotten that result? I probably would have ended up with a
>>> very swollen painful hand
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:22:44 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe we have a slight glimmer of hope that he might be
>>>> able so offer some value to the newsgroup if he can
>>>> straiten his attitude out. He doesn't have a reef tank, so
>>>> that limits his knowledge, but maybe he will decide to
>>>> spend a little money, so that he can learn what it's
>>>> really like to keep a reef aquarium.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:12 PM:
>>>>> Well yeah that part I understand and that was done however why does it
>>>>> continue?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:10:07 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Umm no you don't have it now. It's all about his claim to
>>>>>> be better, when he is not. If we had not disputed his
>>>>>> false claims, people could think that because he claimed
>>>>>> to be a biologist, that the way he said to set up a reef
>>>>>> tank would work, and they would then be sorely
>>>>>> disappointed when their corals started dying, because they
>>>>>> took advice from someone that claimed to be a biologist,
>>>>>> and they trusted his advice blindly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the great thing about this newsgroup, is that a
>>>>>> person can post a wrong answer, but there are lots of
>>>>>> other people that can come back and correct the answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 12:09 PM:
>>>>>>> I think I get get it now ..
>>>>>>> 1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
>>>>>>> understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe maybe
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> 2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
>>>>>>> 3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
>>>>>>> 4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at each
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> 5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
>>>>>>> 6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still not
>>>>>>> providing information
>>>>>>> 7. people still thowing stones at each other
>>>
>

[George Patterson]

AverageSchmuck wrote:
> It can go on forever without anything positive ever resulting
> from it.

Nothing positive will ever result from dealing with Jaimie.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[AverageSchmuck]

Why is everyone so concentrated on stopping him as if he is the Third
Reich or something .. So what!!!!! Seriously why should it bother you
that someone out their feels your wasting your money.. Do you feel
like your wasting your money? I waste my money everyday but hello its
freaking money that is what you do with it waste it have a ball enjoy
it .. when you die its not your money anymore J R-S ability to insult
is uncannly sharp but so what. People act like you have never been
called a name before. Go tell the teacher since he is obviously very
effective in getting under your skin. Has it every occured to you that
he wants your reaction because when you react he knows he already has
you!

Now that portion below has me .. You say "not facts, claims, or
credentials" but wasnt it you that laughed at him over the fact he is
hmm what was the tone you used .. oh yeah in a manner that you
appeared to be better or above him cause you attained a comp sciene
PHD 10 years ago. Seems to me it more about credentials than you say.
So have you glanced over his shoulder at urinal yet to see who is
larger?

>Jaime's claims are actually intriguing and suggestive. It's frustrating that
>he doesn't yet wish to provide more details, but that's his choice. This
>debate was always about tone and attitude on this newsgroup; not facts, claims,
>or credentials.

I mean seriously .. Bunch of children and dont worry I wont post to
this thread anylonger!

[Cindy]

Wayne Sallee typed:
> I've got mine farther back than that, But most people
> don't, so google is good for point out threads to people.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 6:58 PM:
>> None of us are perfect. One of lifes hardest lessons is humilty.
>> Some of us obviously never learned it while others have had a
>> healthy dose.
>> And BTW I could careless about your google link. Some of us have
>> this group archived for about 6 months back headers and everything
>> so please stop reminding me of your efficient use of google.

Eh, I get rid of mine after 3 days. I can always find what I want again.

[Cindy]

AverageSchmuck typed:
> yeah but wouldnt you say that is a bit immature though.. He started
> no he did.. You said she said .. But you did it first .. I got you
> last .. etc.. It can go on forever without anything positive ever
> resulting from it.

That's true. You are right.
I generally don't post much in this group because there are so many helpful,
knowledgable people who know so much more than I do. I just jumped in here
because whatshisbutt has been such a snot to everyone here who actually know
what they're talking about and can/will back it up. So I'll jump back out
now....

[Cindy]

J R-S typed:
> Believe me, I expect that by July it will be finished but, again, I
> don't think that releasing anything will change the minds of anyone
> here. Thanks God the people that has seen the filter working want
> it and I have a pre-order for next year.
>
> jrs

Hey, I hope it's great! I've been thinking for a long time about setting up
my 150 again. If your system is affordable, maybe I'll be able to try it
out. Waiting to see.

[Wayne Sallee]

I'm a pack rat. I dont' like to through stuff away. I have
all my e-mail going back over 10 years.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Cindy wrote on 3/24/2006 4:51 PM:
> Wayne Sallee typed:
>> I've got mine farther back than that, But most people
>> don't, so google is good for point out threads to people.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
>>
>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 6:58 PM:
>>> None of us are perfect. One of lifes hardest lessons is humilty.
>>> Some of us obviously never learned it while others have had a
>>> healthy dose.
>>> And BTW I could careless about your google link. Some of us have
>>> this group archived for about 6 months back headers and everything
>>> so please stop reminding me of your efficient use of google.
>
> Eh, I get rid of mine after 3 days. I can always find what I want again.
>
>

[J R-S]

Well son, I am not giving my identity away. Who is we? just block me and
that is it kid!

jrs
"TheRock" > wrote in message
news:b5IUf.7265$092.6547@trndny04...
> HOLY FREAKING THREADS !
> THE LAST ONE THAT WAS THIS LONG WAS "WHAT'S THE BEST SALT "
> AND GUESS WHO SPARKED THAT LONG DEBATE UP ?!?!
> I'M STARTING TO SEE A PATTERN HERE.
> IT SEEMS THAT JR-S IS STARVED FOR ATTENTION.
>
> HE POSTS, HE TICKS EVERYONE OFF. FALLS BACK ON I'M A BIO GUY AND THEN
> NEVER BACKS UP ANY OF HIS CLAIMS.
>
> WHY DOESN'T HE POST ANY OF HIS JOURNALS WHEN HE ALWAYS FALLS BACK TO
> WELL I'M A MARINE BIO GUY AND I WROTE JOURNALS FOR MIAMI U
>
> JR-S SHOW US YOUR WORK OR FADE TO BLACK.
> WE ARE GROWING TIERED OF YOUR CORN HOLE.
>
>
> "AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message
> ...
>> yeah I know but even though different approach a still bit of tact and
>> finesse still prevails in end with a constructive and positive result
>> versus the slam bash he said she said point finger festival that is
>> happening now. I know it takes two to tango and noone is innocent in
>> the mudslinging just somewhere it has to stop cause it will never stop
>> being negative without some sort of agreement. To be honest what I see
>> is a claim that has absolutely no credibility until data has been
>> offered to support it which none as of this post that I am aware of so
>> just seems to me a worthless debate until and big if it is supplied.
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:45:55 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Depends on how you pick him up :-)
>>>
>>>I've caught lion fish with my hands.
>>>
>>>Wayne Sallee
>>>Wayne's Pets

>>>
>>>
>>>AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:28 PM:
>>>> Well example .. recently I think my lionfish I beleive dislocated his
>>>> jaw .. He went over a week without eating . I simply added nutrients
>>>> to water and patiently waited for him to be able to open his mouth
>>>> wide enough to eat some scallops and shrimp parts from my acrlic stick
>>>> ... Today finally he ate a shrimp .. Now if I attacked him do you think
>>>> I would have gotten that result? I probably would have ended up with a
>>>> very swollen painful hand
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:22:44 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we have a slight glimmer of hope that he might be
>>>>> able so offer some value to the newsgroup if he can
>>>>> straiten his attitude out. He doesn't have a reef tank, so
>>>>> that limits his knowledge, but maybe he will decide to
>>>>> spend a little money, so that he can learn what it's
>>>>> really like to keep a reef aquarium.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:12 PM:
>>>>>> Well yeah that part I understand and that was done however why does
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> continue?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:10:07 GMT, Wayne Sallee
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Umm no you don't have it now. It's all about his claim to
>>>>>>> be better, when he is not. If we had not disputed his
>>>>>>> false claims, people could think that because he claimed
>>>>>>> to be a biologist, that the way he said to set up a reef
>>>>>>> tank would work, and they would then be sorely
>>>>>>> disappointed when their corals started dying, because they
>>>>>>> took advice from someone that claimed to be a biologist,
>>>>>>> and they trusted his advice blindly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the great thing about this newsgroup, is that a
>>>>>>> person can post a wrong answer, but there are lots of
>>>>>>> other people that can come back and correct the answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 12:09 PM:
>>>>>>>> I think I get get it now ..
>>>>>>>> 1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
>>>>>>>> understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe
>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> 2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
>>>>>>>> 3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
>>>>>>>> 4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at each
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> 5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
>>>>>>>> 6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> providing information
>>>>>>>> 7. people still thowing stones at each other
>>>>
>>
>
>

[Don Geddis]

AverageSchmuck > wrote on Fri, 24 Mar 2006:
> Seriously why should it bother you that someone out their feels your
> wasting your money.. Do you feel like your wasting your money?

His opinion of whether I'm wasting my money doesn't bother me at all.

The replies were all in service of innocent new reefkeepers. Novices would
pose a typical question, and Jaime would laugh at them and tell them they're
wasting their money. The more experienced reefkeepers on this group wanted
to set the record straight for the benefit of the lurkers, who might otherwise
believe that Jaime's claims were the collected wisdom of reef aquarists.

> Now that portion below has me .. You say "not facts, claims, or
> credentials" but wasnt it you that laughed at him over the fact he is
> hmm what was the tone you used .. oh yeah in a manner that you
> appeared to be better or above him cause you attained a comp sciene
> PHD 10 years ago. Seems to me it more about credentials than you say.

You missed the sarcasm of my post. When a guy tells you over and over again
"you're all ignorant -- believe me because I'm a Marine Biologist!", then it's
kind of funny if he turns out to have far fewer qualifications than many of
the other posters here (who, in turn, don't bother listing their background).

I mentioned my PhD just for the irony. It doesn't matter to _me_, and it
shouldn't matter to the group (for which it's basically irrelevant). But for
a guy like Jaime, who claimed that we were all ignorant and he was the only
scientist here, I find it funny that I'm at least qualified to tell who a
good scientist is, and in the end it turns out that he isn't much of one.

This is all on top of the fact that it shouldn't matter whether you're a formal
scientist or not. What most people here are interested in is the details of
what you've actually done with reef aquariums, and what you observed while
doing it. How was your tank set up? What grew? How fast? What died?

I'm sure everyone's got their own pet theories about what matters. But the
ocean is incredibly complex, and it's hard to be sure we have the full story
about any particular species. So theories aren't generally as important in
the hobby as actual data. What (exactly!) did you do, and what happened?

Jaime's frustrating mostly because he makes enticing claims, that we would all
love to be true, but then refuses to provide any public data backing it up.
And then attempts to mock everyone else for wasting their money. It's an
unfortunate arrogance of a not-quite-authority figure.

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
Raspberry walks into a bar, bartender says "Sorry, we don't serve food here."
-- On Fruitopia bottle, "raspberry psychic lemonade" flavor

[J R-S]

Listen Don!
I just came here with an alternative to expensive aquariums. My aquariums
by any means will be as good as any put together by a professional aquarist.
That is not my intention.
I developed a fish-with-little-coral tank that has been working for more
than 8 months without a water change.
Not telling that to new aquarists and instead saying that the only
alternative is an overrated ilumination system is irresponsible.
But, they are free people, they can make their own choice, can't they? so,
don't make the choice for them...

jrs
"Don Geddis" > wrote in message
...
> AverageSchmuck > wrote on Fri, 24 Mar 2006:
>> Seriously why should it bother you that someone out their feels your
>> wasting your money.. Do you feel like your wasting your money?
>
> His opinion of whether I'm wasting my money doesn't bother me at all.
>
> The replies were all in service of innocent new reefkeepers. Novices
> would
> pose a typical question, and Jaime would laugh at them and tell them
> they're
> wasting their money. The more experienced reefkeepers on this group
> wanted
> to set the record straight for the benefit of the lurkers, who might
> otherwise
> believe that Jaime's claims were the collected wisdom of reef aquarists.
>
>> Now that portion below has me .. You say "not facts, claims, or
>> credentials" but wasnt it you that laughed at him over the fact he is
>> hmm what was the tone you used .. oh yeah in a manner that you
>> appeared to be better or above him cause you attained a comp sciene
>> PHD 10 years ago. Seems to me it more about credentials than you say.
>
> You missed the sarcasm of my post. When a guy tells you over and over
> again
> "you're all ignorant -- believe me because I'm a Marine Biologist!", then
> it's
> kind of funny if he turns out to have far fewer qualifications than many
> of
> the other posters here (who, in turn, don't bother listing their
> background).
>
> I mentioned my PhD just for the irony. It doesn't matter to _me_, and it
> shouldn't matter to the group (for which it's basically irrelevant). But
> for
> a guy like Jaime, who claimed that we were all ignorant and he was the
> only
> scientist here, I find it funny that I'm at least qualified to tell who a
> good scientist is, and in the end it turns out that he isn't much of one.
>
> This is all on top of the fact that it shouldn't matter whether you're a
> formal
> scientist or not. What most people here are interested in is the details
> of
> what you've actually done with reef aquariums, and what you observed while
> doing it. How was your tank set up? What grew? How fast? What died?
>
> I'm sure everyone's got their own pet theories about what matters. But
> the
> ocean is incredibly complex, and it's hard to be sure we have the full
> story
> about any particular species. So theories aren't generally as important
> in
> the hobby as actual data. What (exactly!) did you do, and what happened?
>
> Jaime's frustrating mostly because he makes enticing claims, that we would
> all
> love to be true, but then refuses to provide any public data backing it
> up.
> And then attempts to mock everyone else for wasting their money. It's an
> unfortunate arrogance of a not-quite-authority figure.
>
> -- Don
> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
> Don Geddis
> http://reef.geddis.org/
> Raspberry walks into a bar, bartender says "Sorry, we don't serve food
> here."
> -- On Fruitopia bottle, "raspberry psychic lemonade" flavor

[Wayne Sallee]

Going 8 months without a water change is not impressive.
It's no big deal. It's not a great accomplishment. Going 8
months without a water change is nothing. It's like a
person saying that they had a goldfish live for a wopping
2 years. Big deal. That's nothing.

But how about putting a picture of your inhabitants on
your web site for us to see.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 8:27 AM:
> Listen Don!
> I just came here with an alternative to expensive aquariums. My aquariums
> by any means will be as good as any put together by a professional aquarist.
> That is not my intention.
> I developed a fish-with-little-coral tank that has been working for more
> than 8 months without a water change.
> Not telling that to new aquarists and instead saying that the only
> alternative is an overrated ilumination system is irresponsible.
> But, they are free people, they can make their own choice, can't they? so,
> don't make the choice for them...
>
> jrs
> "Don Geddis" > wrote in message
> ...
>> AverageSchmuck > wrote on Fri, 24 Mar 2006:
>>> Seriously why should it bother you that someone out their feels your
>>> wasting your money.. Do you feel like your wasting your money?
>> His opinion of whether I'm wasting my money doesn't bother me at all.
>>
>> The replies were all in service of innocent new reefkeepers. Novices
>> would
>> pose a typical question, and Jaime would laugh at them and tell them
>> they're
>> wasting their money. The more experienced reefkeepers on this group
>> wanted
>> to set the record straight for the benefit of the lurkers, who might
>> otherwise
>> believe that Jaime's claims were the collected wisdom of reef aquarists.
>>
>>> Now that portion below has me .. You say "not facts, claims, or
>>> credentials" but wasnt it you that laughed at him over the fact he is
>>> hmm what was the tone you used .. oh yeah in a manner that you
>>> appeared to be better or above him cause you attained a comp sciene
>>> PHD 10 years ago. Seems to me it more about credentials than you say.
>> You missed the sarcasm of my post. When a guy tells you over and over
>> again
>> "you're all ignorant -- believe me because I'm a Marine Biologist!", then
>> it's
>> kind of funny if he turns out to have far fewer qualifications than many
>> of
>> the other posters here (who, in turn, don't bother listing their
>> background).
>>
>> I mentioned my PhD just for the irony. It doesn't matter to _me_, and it
>> shouldn't matter to the group (for which it's basically irrelevant). But
>> for
>> a guy like Jaime, who claimed that we were all ignorant and he was the
>> only
>> scientist here, I find it funny that I'm at least qualified to tell who a
>> good scientist is, and in the end it turns out that he isn't much of one.
>>
>> This is all on top of the fact that it shouldn't matter whether you're a
>> formal
>> scientist or not. What most people here are interested in is the details
>> of
>> what you've actually done with reef aquariums, and what you observed while
>> doing it. How was your tank set up? What grew? How fast? What died?
>>
>> I'm sure everyone's got their own pet theories about what matters. But
>> the
>> ocean is incredibly complex, and it's hard to be sure we have the full
>> story
>> about any particular species. So theories aren't generally as important
>> in
>> the hobby as actual data. What (exactly!) did you do, and what happened?
>>
>> Jaime's frustrating mostly because he makes enticing claims, that we would
>> all
>> love to be true, but then refuses to provide any public data backing it
>> up.
>> And then attempts to mock everyone else for wasting their money. It's an
>> unfortunate arrogance of a not-quite-authority figure.
>>
>> -- Don
>> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
>> Don Geddis
>> http://reef.geddis.org/
>> Raspberry walks into a bar, bartender says "Sorry, we don't serve food
>> here."
>> -- On Fruitopia bottle, "raspberry psychic lemonade" flavor
>
>

[Cindy]

Wayne Sallee typed:
> I'm a pack rat. I dont' like to through stuff away. I have
> all my e-mail going back over 10 years.

I'd probably have all my personal email, but I never back it up and the pc
has crashed a couple times over the years. I don't consider newsgroup posts
email, though.

I keep all my STUFF instead...<rolling eyes>

[Cindy]

J R-S typed:
> Listen Don!
> I just came here with an alternative to expensive aquariums. My
> aquariums by any means will be as good as any put together by a
> professional aquarist. That is not my intention.
> I developed a fish-with-little-coral tank that has been working for
> more than 8 months without a water change.
> Not telling that to new aquarists and instead saying that the only
> alternative is an overrated ilumination system is irresponsible.
> But, they are free people, they can make their own choice, can't
> they? so, don't make the choice for them...
>
> jrs

You don't seem to grasp the fact that they don't *HAVE* the "choice" yet,
because your wonderful new system is not available. So it's *not* an
alternative, is it?

If they try to run a reef tank now without the "overrated" expensive
illumination that is all we have AVAILABLE at this time, it would *really*
be a waste, since their corals would die without the light.

Pre-advertising something that's not for sale could cost a lot of newbies a
lot of money, be cruel and frustrating and probably turn them off the hobby.

Why don't you come back when it's *on the market* and give us the link.

[Cindy]

Cindy typed:
> AverageSchmuck typed:
>> yeah but wouldnt you say that is a bit immature though.. He started
>> no he did.. You said she said .. But you did it first .. I got you
>> last .. etc.. It can go on forever without anything positive ever
>> resulting from it.
>
> That's true. You are right.
> I generally don't post much in this group because there are so many
> helpful, knowledgable people who know so much more than I do. I
> just jumped in here because whatshisbutt has been such a snot to
> everyone here who actually know what they're talking about and
> can/will back it up. So I'll jump back out now....

Sorry....I couldn't do it....I posted again. The ignorance was too much for
me.....
*sob*

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> Listen Don!
> I just came here with an alternative to expensive aquariums. My aquariums
> by any means will be as good as any put together by a professional aquarist.
> That is not my intention.
> I developed a fish-with-little-coral tank that has been working for more
> than 8 months without a water change.
> Not telling that to new aquarists and instead saying that the only
> alternative is an overrated ilumination system is irresponsible.
> But, they are free people, they can make their own choice, can't they? so,
> don't make the choice for them...

Nobody here recomended overrated ilumination for a fish only tank...
What you call "overrated ilumination" is used on the SPS corals
(and you probably do not even know what SPS means, since it is
a hobbyist term, not scientific... right?). Only light-loving
corals from shallow waters require strong lights and metal halide
fixtures costing hundreds of dollars. Most other aquarium life,
including all "fish only tanks with little corals" can do fine with
standard fixtures available at Petco or even daylight lamps from Home Depot.
As you can see, what you have done is not revolutionary at all...
Similarly to using sand and activated carbon for filtration.

[Pszemol]

"Cindy" > wrote in message t...
> You don't seem to grasp the fact that they don't *HAVE* the "choice" yet,
> because your wonderful new system is not available. So it's *not* an
> alternative, is it?
>
> If they try to run a reef tank now without the "overrated" expensive
> illumination that is all we have AVAILABLE at this time, it would *really*
> be a waste, since their corals would die without the light.
>
> Pre-advertising something that's not for sale could cost a lot of newbies a
> lot of money, be cruel and frustrating and probably turn them off the hobby.
>
> Why don't you come back when it's *on the market* and give us the link.

Cindy, please note he is NOT talking about a reef tank.
He is talking about a fish only tank with little corals.
And considering this, it makes a whole different story.

[Pat]

I'm a new aquarist. I have a fish only tank. The reason I don't have
anemone and coral is that I don't wish to spend all of my money on
lighting and other such things(my choice). So, please J R-S, tell me,
what are my alternatives? Where can I go for these alternatives? How
much am I looking to spend? It's irresponsible not to tell me...so,
tell me. Give me a choice.

I believe that is the sentiment of the group. Not that you have
ingenuity and **** and vinegar. Not that you have a revolutionary new
system. The crux of the matter is you are recommending invisible things
to new aquarists...and sharing an irresponsible amount of your findings.
Telling people it's ok to go and spend almost nothing on lights and
filters and keep anything they want...it's simply not true today(maybe
with the JRS patented system it will be many years down the road), it's
been proved time and time again. Now if you have a *way* to do
that...fine. But until everybody else can do it(which will be many,
many years, 8 months is not scientifically significant), keep it quiet.
You are encouraging cruelty to animals. I don't doubt that you have a
tank full of critters that you have kept alive for 8 months...there was
a guy who came on here saying he left his tank in a divorce situation
and the wife didn't do water changes for 2 years and he lost like one
fish...he didn't have the JRS patented filtration system. The hobby
isn't simply to keep critters, it's to keep them healthy and as happy as
they can be in a glass box. So that many many years of joy can be had.
That's why we spend the money.

I have cats too. I *can* go 8 months without changing their litter box,
I'm confident they'd live...but is that responsible to make them fester
in their own mess? Just a thought.



J R-S wrote:
> Listen Don!
> I just came here with an alternative to expensive aquariums. My aquariums
> by any means will be as good as any put together by a professional aquarist.
> That is not my intention.
> I developed a fish-with-little-coral tank that has been working for more
> than 8 months without a water change.
> Not telling that to new aquarists and instead saying that the only
> alternative is an overrated ilumination system is irresponsible.
> But, they are free people, they can make their own choice, can't they? so,
> don't make the choice for them...

[J R-S]

Relax Wayne!
You sound like a little upset kid!
I am not telling dude! remember, it is just my imagination, none of this is
real to you, don't worry, you keep it up with your systems that I will stay
in my own world.

jrs
"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> Going 8 months without a water change is not impressive. It's no big deal.
> It's not a great accomplishment. Going 8 months without a water change is
> nothing. It's like a person saying that they had a goldfish live for a
> wopping 2 years. Big deal. That's nothing.
>
> But how about putting a picture of your inhabitants on your web site for
> us to see.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 8:27 AM:
>> Listen Don!
>> I just came here with an alternative to expensive aquariums. My
>> aquariums by any means will be as good as any put together by a
>> professional aquarist. That is not my intention.
>> I developed a fish-with-little-coral tank that has been working for more
>> than 8 months without a water change.
>> Not telling that to new aquarists and instead saying that the only
>> alternative is an overrated ilumination system is irresponsible.
>> But, they are free people, they can make their own choice, can't they?
>> so, don't make the choice for them...
>>
>> jrs
>> "Don Geddis" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> AverageSchmuck > wrote on Fri, 24 Mar 2006:
>>>> Seriously why should it bother you that someone out their feels your
>>>> wasting your money.. Do you feel like your wasting your money?
>>> His opinion of whether I'm wasting my money doesn't bother me at all.
>>>
>>> The replies were all in service of innocent new reefkeepers. Novices
>>> would
>>> pose a typical question, and Jaime would laugh at them and tell them
>>> they're
>>> wasting their money. The more experienced reefkeepers on this group
>>> wanted
>>> to set the record straight for the benefit of the lurkers, who might
>>> otherwise
>>> believe that Jaime's claims were the collected wisdom of reef aquarists.
>>>
>>>> Now that portion below has me .. You say "not facts, claims, or
>>>> credentials" but wasnt it you that laughed at him over the fact he is
>>>> hmm what was the tone you used .. oh yeah in a manner that you
>>>> appeared to be better or above him cause you attained a comp sciene
>>>> PHD 10 years ago. Seems to me it more about credentials than you say.
>>> You missed the sarcasm of my post. When a guy tells you over and over
>>> again
>>> "you're all ignorant -- believe me because I'm a Marine Biologist!",
>>> then it's
>>> kind of funny if he turns out to have far fewer qualifications than many
>>> of
>>> the other posters here (who, in turn, don't bother listing their
>>> background).
>>>
>>> I mentioned my PhD just for the irony. It doesn't matter to _me_, and
>>> it
>>> shouldn't matter to the group (for which it's basically irrelevant).
>>> But for
>>> a guy like Jaime, who claimed that we were all ignorant and he was the
>>> only
>>> scientist here, I find it funny that I'm at least qualified to tell who
>>> a
>>> good scientist is, and in the end it turns out that he isn't much of
>>> one.
>>>
>>> This is all on top of the fact that it shouldn't matter whether you're a
>>> formal
>>> scientist or not. What most people here are interested in is the
>>> details of
>>> what you've actually done with reef aquariums, and what you observed
>>> while
>>> doing it. How was your tank set up? What grew? How fast? What died?
>>>
>>> I'm sure everyone's got their own pet theories about what matters. But
>>> the
>>> ocean is incredibly complex, and it's hard to be sure we have the full
>>> story
>>> about any particular species. So theories aren't generally as important
>>> in
>>> the hobby as actual data. What (exactly!) did you do, and what
>>> happened?
>>>
>>> Jaime's frustrating mostly because he makes enticing claims, that we
>>> would all
>>> love to be true, but then refuses to provide any public data backing it
>>> up.
>>> And then attempts to mock everyone else for wasting their money. It's
>>> an
>>> unfortunate arrogance of a not-quite-authority figure.
>>>
>>> -- Don
>>> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
>>> Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
>>> Raspberry walks into a bar, bartender says "Sorry, we don't serve food
>>> here."
>>> -- On Fruitopia bottle, "raspberry psychic lemonade" flavor
>>

[J R-S]

You are right about your observation.
In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are argueing
about two different systems.
Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and the mixed up
happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies needed that light
and I said now, then everyone started defending the expensive illumination
refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my systems.
Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an aquarist) I am
saying that it is!

jrs
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Listen Don!
>> I just came here with an alternative to expensive aquariums. My
>> aquariums by any means will be as good as any put together by a
>> professional aquarist. That is not my intention.
>> I developed a fish-with-little-coral tank that has been working for more
>> than 8 months without a water change.
>> Not telling that to new aquarists and instead saying that the only
>> alternative is an overrated ilumination system is irresponsible.
>> But, they are free people, they can make their own choice, can't they?
>> so, don't make the choice for them...
>
> Nobody here recomended overrated ilumination for a fish only tank...
> What you call "overrated ilumination" is used on the SPS corals
> (and you probably do not even know what SPS means, since it is
> a hobbyist term, not scientific... right?). Only light-loving
> corals from shallow waters require strong lights and metal halide
> fixtures costing hundreds of dollars. Most other aquarium life,
> including all "fish only tanks with little corals" can do fine with
> standard fixtures available at Petco or even daylight lamps from Home
> Depot.
> As you can see, what you have done is not revolutionary at all...
> Similarly to using sand and activated carbon for filtration.

[J R-S]

Well Pat, I am not a babysitter, if you are in need of attention, go to your
dad or your mom.
If all you want is an illumination for your tank, well, I am using an All
Glass 36" TT on a 100 gals aquarium.
Now, go and sin no more! I hope I acted responsibly..
Oh! I forgot, the filtering system, well that I am not telling yet!

jrs
"Pat" > wrote in message
...
> I'm a new aquarist. I have a fish only tank. The reason I don't have
> anemone and coral is that I don't wish to spend all of my money on
> lighting and other such things(my choice). So, please J R-S, tell me,
> what are my alternatives? Where can I go for these alternatives? How
> much am I looking to spend? It's irresponsible not to tell me...so, tell
> me. Give me a choice.
>
> I believe that is the sentiment of the group. Not that you have ingenuity
> and **** and vinegar. Not that you have a revolutionary new system. The
> crux of the matter is you are recommending invisible things to new
> aquarists...and sharing an irresponsible amount of your findings. Telling
> people it's ok to go and spend almost nothing on lights and filters and
> keep anything they want...it's simply not true today(maybe with the JRS
> patented system it will be many years down the road), it's been proved
> time and time again. Now if you have a *way* to do that...fine. But
> until everybody else can do it(which will be many, many years, 8 months is
> not scientifically significant), keep it quiet. You are encouraging
> cruelty to animals. I don't doubt that you have a tank full of critters
> that you have kept alive for 8 months...there was a guy who came on here
> saying he left his tank in a divorce situation and the wife didn't do
> water changes for 2 years and he lost like one fish...he didn't have the
> JRS patented filtration system. The hobby isn't simply to keep critters,
> it's to keep them healthy and as happy as they can be in a glass box. So
> that many many years of joy can be had. That's why we spend the money.
>
> I have cats too. I *can* go 8 months without changing their litter box,
> I'm confident they'd live...but is that responsible to make them fester in
> their own mess? Just a thought.
>
>
>
> J R-S wrote:
>> Listen Don!
>> I just came here with an alternative to expensive aquariums. My
>> aquariums by any means will be as good as any put together by a
>> professional aquarist. That is not my intention.
>> I developed a fish-with-little-coral tank that has been working for more
>> than 8 months without a water change.
>> Not telling that to new aquarists and instead saying that the only
>> alternative is an overrated ilumination system is irresponsible.
>> But, they are free people, they can make their own choice, can't they?
>> so, don't make the choice for them...

[J R-S]

Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting, NOT MY ILLUMINATION
SYSTEM.
I hope you get it this time.
Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in this
world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals that
has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was wasting his
money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent. I meant
the filtering system including water changes. I did just that and my system
will be in display soon and pictures will be posted here. Just for the hell
of it I will buy some corals and throw it in to see if the thrive.
I believe they will.
jrs
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You are right about your observation.
>> In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are argueing
>> about two different systems.
>> Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and the mixed
>> up happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies needed that
>> light and I said now, then everyone started defending the expensive
>> illumination refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my
>> systems.
>> Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an aquarist) I
>> am saying that it is!
>
> Try to understand, that people keeping animals not requiring expensive
> lights do not buy expensive lights... Nobody is crazy enough to spend
> money on stuff they do not really need. The same is with filtration...
> Keeping one guppy fish in a 100 gallon tank will not require expensive
> filtration... All is in details: what animals, how many, how big tank
> etc...
> If you try to claim something extraordinary, than you need to provide
> extraordinary proof. And this proof is your responsibility as claimant.
> So far, from what you have said, I have not noticed anything
> extraordinary.
> But you claim it is something like that, something worth patenting...
> It is not Wayne who said you have great invention worth a patent, you did!

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting,
> NOT MY ILLUMINATION SYSTEM.
> I hope you get it this time.

I got it first time. Jaime, we are not morons here... :-)
I understand what you are trying to say... believe me!

You said two different things:

1 - you have invented a filter doing magic to the tank canceling
the need for water changes and you want to patent this magical filter
"pretty soon, as soon as things settle out"... :-)

2 - people do not need expensive lights for their reef tanks,
they can do very well with $100 fixture from Petco...

People here say both statemets are false, Jaime. Try to understand this...
Both statements are extraordinary and both require extraordinary proofs.
It would be similar in any other extraordinary claim you made, like the one
you keep a baby elefant in your backyard and feed it with red beans from a can :-)
Understand?

> Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in this
> world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals that
> has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was wasting his
> money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent.

Maybe it could be, maybe not... We could judge if we knew details on:
- what tank was it (FO, FOWLR, REEF)
- what animals exactly were kept in the tank
- how many animals, how much live rock, etc.
- what equipment he has purchased totaling more than $3000.

It is possible he spend his money on stuff not needed in a reef tank
with live rock (like UV lamp, big and expensive canister filters).
I see many people buying such stuff recomended by the store without
doing their own research. I would not generalize about the whole hobby
based on one example of naive customer coming to the store not knowing
anything himself.
It is equaly possible he has purchased correct equipment with a lot
of expensive live rock, nice skimmer, nice lights and these $3000 were
well spend on necessary equipment.
As I said - we need details to judge this purchasing decision.
The details you did not provide. Saying somebody spent $3000 on a fish
tank and saying it is too much without knowing anything about the tank
is silly. You can buy $3000 computer and $300 computer, but they will
not be the same...

> I meant the filtering system including water changes.
> I did just that and my system will be in display soon and pictures
> will be posted here.

Cool! In the meantime you can say something more about his system
and your system - you can keep the secret about your magic filter
for yourself. Tell us about the animals which are kept in both
systems (are they the same?) and elaborate a little more on his
system - what exacly has he spent his $3000 on.

> Just for the hell of it I will buy some corals and throw it in
> to see if the thrive. I believe they will.

You make me laugh a lot with such remarks like the one above...
We do not care listening to your believes, this is not rec.religion
newsgroup. Let's talk about REAL FACTS, not your unfounded believes.

[Pat]

Wow, I thought I was allowed to post in a public internet forum. I'll
sin all I want by the way. But that's a post for another forum. I love
me some sinning. You insults sadden me J, I thought a brilliant mind
like yourself would have a better sense of humor. I'm not in need of
attention, but I clearly got some...and I love it...we all do. I was
just asking a sincere question...Why, as a person whom has dedicated so
many years to learning about animals, are you endangering them with your
irresponsibility?

My fish are fine with the light they have...I said I wanted light
sensitive critters, which you don't have...my bad.

An inexpensive filtration system...well that's just not new...I thought
you were recommending inexpensive lights...and had data, or at least a
therory, to back it up. There is a well respected guy on this forum
that tells how to build your own filtration system for probably $20(a
complete guess, I never looked into it) worth of stuff from Home
Depot...Water changes aren't expensive either...I spend maybe $60 every
six or so months on salt..That's less than I spend on cat litter...so
that savings is moot. In my 1 year of fish keeping I've spent the
following.

$600 for tank and stand and lights(I'm guessing this is necessary in the
JRS Patented system)
$180 protein skimmer (your's is probably cheaper...but lets be honest
they are all $3.00 worth of parts with $177 mark-up...your's, if
commercially availible, will be no different)
$100 other filtration (same concept as skimmer)
$100 on some live rock(not needed, I just wanted some).
$300 on the inhabitants. (You're not going to sell me cheaper fish are you?)
$120 on salt. (Well I assume you need some to start your system...so you
maybe save me half)

So you save me $60/year...and my fish get to live in their own **** and
poop forever...nah, I'll spend the $60.



J R-S wrote:
> Well Pat, I am not a babysitter, if you are in need of attention, go to your
> dad or your mom.
> If all you want is an illumination for your tank, well, I am using an All
> Glass 36" TT on a 100 gals aquarium.
> Now, go and sin no more! I hope I acted responsibly..
> Oh! I forgot, the filtering system, well that I am not telling yet!

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> Well Pat, I am not a babysitter, if you are in need of attention,
> go to your dad or your mom.

Why are you always trying to be rude?

> I am using an All Glass 36" TT on a 100 gals aquarium.

I can imaging an aquarium with no lights at all,
using only ambient light dispersed in your room.
It would be enough for keeping lets say - octopus.
But not all aquariums are created equal, so one
man lights will not necessarly fit another man tank.

[George Patterson]

J R-S wrote:
> Listen Don!
> I just came here with an alternative to expensive aquariums.

No, you didn't. You came here saying you have such a thing, but you will not
provide any information about it. When I ask how such a thing is done, you tell
me to ask some of the regulars on the group. So, you have NOT come here with
alternatives to anything. Just claims for which you refuse to provide any support.

In other words, on the face of it, you are a bald-faced liar.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[George Patterson]

J R-S wrote:
> ... then everyone started defending the expensive illumination
> refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my systems.

No, you didn't. You said it is not needed for THEIR systems, and said they were
fools for spending that kind of money.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[J R-S]

Well man, there is no point to keep this thread alive.
We are getting nothing out of it, you won't believe me and I know you are
one of those fools that felt insulted because a newby aquarist challenged
your decision to spend a pretty good amount in unneeded stuff.
It is OK, believe what you may and lets stop, there are more and better
things to do with our lifes, now go and be a good boy and buy your expensive
stuff that make you feel important...
Who told you I thought you were a moron?
I know you are!

jrs
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting,
>> NOT MY ILLUMINATION SYSTEM.
>> I hope you get it this time.
>
> I got it first time. Jaime, we are not morons here... :-)
> I understand what you are trying to say... believe me!
>
> You said two different things:
> 1 - you have invented a filter doing magic to the tank canceling
> the need for water changes and you want to patent this magical filter
> "pretty soon, as soon as things settle out"... :-)
>
> 2 - people do not need expensive lights for their reef tanks,
> they can do very well with $100 fixture from Petco...
>
> People here say both statemets are false, Jaime. Try to understand this...
> Both statements are extraordinary and both require extraordinary proofs.
> It would be similar in any other extraordinary claim you made, like the
> one
> you keep a baby elefant in your backyard and feed it with red beans from a
> can :-)
> Understand?
>
>> Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in this
>> world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals that
>> has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was wasting
>> his money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent.
>
> Maybe it could be, maybe not... We could judge if we knew details on:
> - what tank was it (FO, FOWLR, REEF)
> - what animals exactly were kept in the tank
> - how many animals, how much live rock, etc.
> - what equipment he has purchased totaling more than $3000.
>
> It is possible he spend his money on stuff not needed in a reef tank
> with live rock (like UV lamp, big and expensive canister filters).
> I see many people buying such stuff recomended by the store without
> doing their own research. I would not generalize about the whole hobby
> based on one example of naive customer coming to the store not knowing
> anything himself.
> It is equaly possible he has purchased correct equipment with a lot
> of expensive live rock, nice skimmer, nice lights and these $3000 were
> well spend on necessary equipment.
> As I said - we need details to judge this purchasing decision.
> The details you did not provide. Saying somebody spent $3000 on a fish
> tank and saying it is too much without knowing anything about the tank
> is silly. You can buy $3000 computer and $300 computer, but they will
> not be the same...
>
>> I meant the filtering system including water changes.
>> I did just that and my system will be in display soon and pictures
>> will be posted here.
>
> Cool! In the meantime you can say something more about his system
> and your system - you can keep the secret about your magic filter
> for yourself. Tell us about the animals which are kept in both
> systems (are they the same?) and elaborate a little more on his
> system - what exacly has he spent his $3000 on.
>
>> Just for the hell of it I will buy some corals and throw it in
>> to see if the thrive. I believe they will.
>
> You make me laugh a lot with such remarks like the one above...
> We do not care listening to your believes, this is not rec.religion
> newsgroup. Let's talk about REAL FACTS, not your unfounded believes.

[J R-S]

Son, you get what you bargain for!
jrs
"Pat" > wrote in message
...
> Wow, I thought I was allowed to post in a public internet forum. I'll sin
> all I want by the way. But that's a post for another forum. I love me
> some sinning. You insults sadden me J, I thought a brilliant mind like
> yourself would have a better sense of humor. I'm not in need of
> attention, but I clearly got some...and I love it...we all do. I was just
> asking a sincere question...Why, as a person whom has dedicated so many
> years to learning about animals, are you endangering them with your
> irresponsibility?
>
> My fish are fine with the light they have...I said I wanted light
> sensitive critters, which you don't have...my bad.
>
> An inexpensive filtration system...well that's just not new...I thought
> you were recommending inexpensive lights...and had data, or at least a
> therory, to back it up. There is a well respected guy on this forum that
> tells how to build your own filtration system for probably $20(a complete
> guess, I never looked into it) worth of stuff from Home Depot...Water
> changes aren't expensive either...I spend maybe $60 every six or so months
> on salt..That's less than I spend on cat litter...so that savings is moot.
> In my 1 year of fish keeping I've spent the following.
>
> $600 for tank and stand and lights(I'm guessing this is necessary in the
> JRS Patented system)
> $180 protein skimmer (your's is probably cheaper...but lets be honest they
> are all $3.00 worth of parts with $177 mark-up...your's, if commercially
> availible, will be no different)
> $100 other filtration (same concept as skimmer)
> $100 on some live rock(not needed, I just wanted some).
> $300 on the inhabitants. (You're not going to sell me cheaper fish are
> you?)
> $120 on salt. (Well I assume you need some to start your system...so you
> maybe save me half)
>
> So you save me $60/year...and my fish get to live in their own **** and
> poop forever...nah, I'll spend the $60.
>
>
>
> J R-S wrote:
>> Well Pat, I am not a babysitter, if you are in need of attention, go to
>> your dad or your mom.
>> If all you want is an illumination for your tank, well, I am using an All
>> Glass 36" TT on a 100 gals aquarium.
>> Now, go and sin no more! I hope I acted responsibly..
>> Oh! I forgot, the filtering system, well that I am not telling yet!

[J R-S]

lol
How did you know I was bold?
lol


jrs
"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:CfnVf.2391$W75.603@trnddc07...
>J R-S wrote:
>> Listen Don!
>> I just came here with an alternative to expensive aquariums.
>
> No, you didn't. You came here saying you have such a thing, but you will
> not provide any information about it. When I ask how such a thing is done,
> you tell me to ask some of the regulars on the group. So, you have NOT
> come here with alternatives to anything. Just claims for which you refuse
> to provide any support.
>
> In other words, on the face of it, you are a bald-faced liar.
>
> George Patterson
> Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
> your slightly older self.

[J R-S]

I went even farther, I said, and still say, that is foolish to grow corals
in a house aquarium.
If you sell lifestock fine to grow corals but, if you just have a home
aquarium, you are stupid to spend your money growing calcareous rock because
that is all you are doing. Only the first layer of polyps is alive, the
layers underneath are dead skeletons. So, why waste your money in doing
that? It beats me but go and do with your wallet as you please, in my
humble opinion, YOU ARE STUPID...

jrs
"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:JhnVf.2392$W75.1688@trnddc07...
>J R-S wrote:
>> ... then everyone started defending the expensive illumination
>> refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my systems.
>
> No, you didn't. You said it is not needed for THEIR systems, and said they
> were fools for spending that kind of money.
>
> George Patterson
> Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
> your slightly older self.

[Pszemol]

"J R-S" > wrote in message ...
> Well man, there is no point to keep this thread alive.

You are correct.
No point, because you have nothing interesting to say.
You have no experience as aquarist. No value to add
to this newsgroup.

> Who told you I thought you were a moron?
> I know you are!

Every time somebody presses you to the wall with arguments
you have nothing smart to say but childish insult attempts.

To sum up this thread: you are neither aquarist nor biologist.

Very boring... I had enough.

[TheRock]

OK Kid ? Ha ha ha
Thank you for the compliment.



"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
> Well son, I am not giving my identity away. Who is we? just block me and
> that is it kid!
>
> jrs
> "TheRock" > wrote in message
> news:b5IUf.7265$092.6547@trndny04...
>> HOLY FREAKING THREADS !
>> THE LAST ONE THAT WAS THIS LONG WAS "WHAT'S THE BEST SALT "
>> AND GUESS WHO SPARKED THAT LONG DEBATE UP ?!?!
>> I'M STARTING TO SEE A PATTERN HERE.
>> IT SEEMS THAT JR-S IS STARVED FOR ATTENTION.
>>
>> HE POSTS, HE TICKS EVERYONE OFF. FALLS BACK ON I'M A BIO GUY AND THEN
>> NEVER BACKS UP ANY OF HIS CLAIMS.
>>
>> WHY DOESN'T HE POST ANY OF HIS JOURNALS WHEN HE ALWAYS FALLS BACK TO
>> WELL I'M A MARINE BIO GUY AND I WROTE JOURNALS FOR MIAMI U
>>
>> JR-S SHOW US YOUR WORK OR FADE TO BLACK.
>> WE ARE GROWING TIERED OF YOUR CORN HOLE.
>>
>>
>> "AverageSchmuck" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> yeah I know but even though different approach a still bit of tact and
>>> finesse still prevails in end with a constructive and positive result
>>> versus the slam bash he said she said point finger festival that is
>>> happening now. I know it takes two to tango and noone is innocent in
>>> the mudslinging just somewhere it has to stop cause it will never stop
>>> being negative without some sort of agreement. To be honest what I see
>>> is a claim that has absolutely no credibility until data has been
>>> offered to support it which none as of this post that I am aware of so
>>> just seems to me a worthless debate until and big if it is supplied.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:45:55 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Depends on how you pick him up :-)
>>>>
>>>>I've caught lion fish with my hands.
>>>>
>>>>Wayne Sallee
>>>>Wayne's Pets

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:28 PM:
>>>>> Well example .. recently I think my lionfish I beleive dislocated his
>>>>> jaw .. He went over a week without eating . I simply added nutrients
>>>>> to water and patiently waited for him to be able to open his mouth
>>>>> wide enough to eat some scallops and shrimp parts from my acrlic stick
>>>>> ... Today finally he ate a shrimp .. Now if I attacked him do you
>>>>> think
>>>>> I would have gotten that result? I probably would have ended up with a
>>>>> very swollen painful hand
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:22:44 GMT, Wayne Sallee >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we have a slight glimmer of hope that he might be
>>>>>> able so offer some value to the newsgroup if he can
>>>>>> straiten his attitude out. He doesn't have a reef tank, so
>>>>>> that limits his knowledge, but maybe he will decide to
>>>>>> spend a little money, so that he can learn what it's
>>>>>> really like to keep a reef aquarium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:12 PM:
>>>>>>> Well yeah that part I understand and that was done however why does
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> continue?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:10:07 GMT, Wayne Sallee
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Umm no you don't have it now. It's all about his claim to
>>>>>>>> be better, when he is not. If we had not disputed his
>>>>>>>> false claims, people could think that because he claimed
>>>>>>>> to be a biologist, that the way he said to set up a reef
>>>>>>>> tank would work, and they would then be sorely
>>>>>>>> disappointed when their corals started dying, because they
>>>>>>>> took advice from someone that claimed to be a biologist,
>>>>>>>> and they trusted his advice blindly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the great thing about this newsgroup, is that a
>>>>>>>> person can post a wrong answer, but there are lots of
>>>>>>>> other people that can come back and correct the answer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>>>>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 12:09 PM:
>>>>>>>>> I think I get get it now ..
>>>>>>>>> 1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
>>>>>>>>> understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe
>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> 2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
>>>>>>>>> 3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
>>>>>>>>> 4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at
>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> 5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
>>>>>>>>> 6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> providing information
>>>>>>>>> 7. people still thowing stones at each other
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[J R-S]

Great, now we can go on!

jrs
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Well man, there is no point to keep this thread alive.
>
> You are correct.
> No point, because you have nothing interesting to say.
> You have no experience as aquarist. No value to add
> to this newsgroup.
>> Who told you I thought you were a moron?
>> I know you are!
>
> Every time somebody presses you to the wall with arguments
> you have nothing smart to say but childish insult attempts.
>
> To sum up this thread: you are neither aquarist nor biologist.
>
> Very boring... I had enough.

[[email protected]]

Jamie,

Keeping any type of aquarium at all is a waste of money. An aquarium
does not provide you with food or shelter. People do it for as many
differfent reasons as there are differnet kinds of people. If they
want to keep corals how is that stupider than wanting to keep exotic
fish?

You have been posting in a reef keeping new group. Most of the people
who sub to this group will probably agree that reef keeping involves
housing corals inside a contained envrionment like a home aquarium. If
it is your opinion that people who wish to do this are stupid than you
may as well go on over to alt.people.stupid instead and leave
rec.aquaria.marine.reefs alone.

Blake.

J R-S wrote:
> I went even farther, I said, and still say, that is foolish to grow corals
> in a house aquarium.
> If you sell lifestock fine to grow corals but, if you just have a home
> aquarium, you are stupid to spend your money growing calcareous rock because
> that is all you are doing. Only the first layer of polyps is alive, the
> layers underneath are dead skeletons. So, why waste your money in doing
> that? It beats me but go and do with your wallet as you please, in my
> humble opinion, YOU ARE STUPID...

[JR-S]

I know you are, but who am I.
I am who I say I am and I don't have to prove nothing.
Below is a link to my picture

Love,
JR-S

Here is a link to a site I am on if you want a picture
http://www.pbase.com/image/35414787



"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Great, now we can go on!
>
> Who is "we" ? You are alone, Jaime. Alone.

[J R-S]

Ha ! I've designed my tank so I can live in it for 8 months without a water
change !
alt.people.stupid !?!?!

Why don't you go to kiss.my.marine.bio.ass.
Yes I am touching myself....and you're still not as smart as me.


> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Jamie,
>
> Keeping any type of aquarium at all is a waste of money. An aquarium
> does not provide you with food or shelter. People do it for as many
> differfent reasons as there are differnet kinds of people. If they
> want to keep corals how is that stupider than wanting to keep exotic
> fish?
>
> You have been posting in a reef keeping new group. Most of the people
> who sub to this group will probably agree that reef keeping involves
> housing corals inside a contained envrionment like a home aquarium. If
> it is your opinion that people who wish to do this are stupid than you
> may as well go on over to alt.people.stupid instead and leave
> rec.aquaria.marine.reefs alone.
>
> Blake.
>
> J R-S wrote:
>> I went even farther, I said, and still say, that is foolish to grow
>> corals
>> in a house aquarium.
>> If you sell lifestock fine to grow corals but, if you just have a home
>> aquarium, you are stupid to spend your money growing calcareous rock
>> because
>> that is all you are doing. Only the first layer of polyps is alive, the
>> layers underneath are dead skeletons. So, why waste your money in doing
>> that? It beats me but go and do with your wallet as you please, in my
>> humble opinion, YOU ARE STUPID...
>

[[email protected]]

Nice. You really got me. Feeling quite smitten by your obviously
superior intellect I will make a feeble minded attempt to write a reply
that is deserving of your incredibly large brain's attention. Ready?
Here it is:

"your mom."


The rest of this message is intended for people who are not as smart as
you, so you can just go ahead and hit the delete key now.

My apologies to the rest of the group. I knew it was foolish to
attempt to talk reason with this kid. I'm guessing that he's probably
at best a first or second year undergrad at some comunity college who's
just started in a marine bio program, thus giving him licence to talk
down to all of us hobbiests. Or, it could be the case that he just
enjoys picking fights and the marine biologist cover story is a pretty
good way of getting instant credibility in a forum such as this where
people might have a genuine interest in the opinions of such a
professional.

Anyhow, I'm done with him and I promise I won't reply to any more of
his posts.

Blake.

[William Marsh]

So I guess that makes hitting a little golf ball around a golf course
pretty dumb too. And that costs even more and you are not producing
anything. But explain that to the hundreds of thousands who do it for shear
fun.
Bill
"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
>I went even farther, I said, and still say, that is foolish to grow corals
>in a house aquarium.
> If you sell lifestock fine to grow corals but, if you just have a home
> aquarium, you are stupid to spend your money growing calcareous rock
> because that is all you are doing. Only the first layer of polyps is
> alive, the layers underneath are dead skeletons. So, why waste your money
> in doing that? It beats me but go and do with your wallet as you please,
> in my humble opinion, YOU ARE STUPID...
>
> jrs
> "George Patterson" > wrote in message
> news:JhnVf.2392$W75.1688@trnddc07...
>>J R-S wrote:
>>> ... then everyone started defending the expensive illumination
>>> refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my systems.
>>
>> No, you didn't. You said it is not needed for THEIR systems, and said
>> they were fools for spending that kind of money.
>>
>> George Patterson
>> Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong
>> to
>> your slightly older self.
>
>

[William Marsh]

You live in it???
"J R-S" > wrote in message
news:GxDVf.952$ui7.712@trndny09...
> Ha ! I've designed my tank so I can live in it for 8 months without a
> water change !
> alt.people.stupid !?!?!
>
> Why don't you go to kiss.my.marine.bio.ass.
> Yes I am touching myself....and you're still not as smart as me.
>
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Jamie,
>>
>> Keeping any type of aquarium at all is a waste of money. An aquarium
>> does not provide you with food or shelter. People do it for as many
>> differfent reasons as there are differnet kinds of people. If they
>> want to keep corals how is that stupider than wanting to keep exotic
>> fish?
>>
>> You have been posting in a reef keeping new group. Most of the people
>> who sub to this group will probably agree that reef keeping involves
>> housing corals inside a contained envrionment like a home aquarium. If
>> it is your opinion that people who wish to do this are stupid than you
>> may as well go on over to alt.people.stupid instead and leave
>> rec.aquaria.marine.reefs alone.
>>
>> Blake.
>>
>> J R-S wrote:
>>> I went even farther, I said, and still say, that is foolish to grow
>>> corals
>>> in a house aquarium.
>>> If you sell lifestock fine to grow corals but, if you just have a home
>>> aquarium, you are stupid to spend your money growing calcareous rock
>>> because
>>> that is all you are doing. Only the first layer of polyps is alive, the
>>> layers underneath are dead skeletons. So, why waste your money in doing
>>> that? It beats me but go and do with your wallet as you please, in my
>>> humble opinion, YOU ARE STUPID...
>>
>
>

[J R-S]

For your information, food and shelter are not the only needs of a person.
You are just talking about your basic needs; i.e. food, shelter and sex.
Then there are the social needs which include any intraspecific interaction
other than sex. This is for example that one. We interact with each other
trying to exchange ideas.
Finally, there are the self esteem needs, those needs that make us feel good
about something.
putting together an aquarium is one of those needs.
We are happier doing it.
But, if you sacrifice your other needs for the last need, then you are
wasting your resources for the most important basic and social needs.
In other words, if you spend your resources in an aquarium, then you will
not have those resources, in a capitalistic society money, to have your
basic/social needs satisfied.
That is the difference between a geek and a normal human.
jrs
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Jamie,
>
> Keeping any type of aquarium at all is a waste of money. An aquarium
> does not provide you with food or shelter. People do it for as many
> differfent reasons as there are differnet kinds of people. If they
> want to keep corals how is that stupider than wanting to keep exotic
> fish?
>
> You have been posting in a reef keeping new group. Most of the people
> who sub to this group will probably agree that reef keeping involves
> housing corals inside a contained envrionment like a home aquarium. If
> it is your opinion that people who wish to do this are stupid than you
> may as well go on over to alt.people.stupid instead and leave
> rec.aquaria.marine.reefs alone.
>
> Blake.
>
> J R-S wrote:
>> I went even farther, I said, and still say, that is foolish to grow
>> corals
>> in a house aquarium.
>> If you sell lifestock fine to grow corals but, if you just have a home
>> aquarium, you are stupid to spend your money growing calcareous rock
>> because
>> that is all you are doing. Only the first layer of polyps is alive, the
>> layers underneath are dead skeletons. So, why waste your money in doing
>> that? It beats me but go and do with your wallet as you please, in my
>> humble opinion, YOU ARE STUPID...
>

[J R-S]

Funny, I don't remember writing that thread.
Well, when people feel threatened is time to impersonate and distort.
I think is time for me to go

jrs
"J R-S" > wrote in message
news:GxDVf.952$ui7.712@trndny09...
> Ha ! I've designed my tank so I can live in it for 8 months without a
> water change !
> alt.people.stupid !?!?!
>
> Why don't you go to kiss.my.marine.bio.ass.
> Yes I am touching myself....and you're still not as smart as me.
>
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Jamie,
>>
>> Keeping any type of aquarium at all is a waste of money. An aquarium
>> does not provide you with food or shelter. People do it for as many
>> differfent reasons as there are differnet kinds of people. If they
>> want to keep corals how is that stupider than wanting to keep exotic
>> fish?
>>
>> You have been posting in a reef keeping new group. Most of the people
>> who sub to this group will probably agree that reef keeping involves
>> housing corals inside a contained envrionment like a home aquarium. If
>> it is your opinion that people who wish to do this are stupid than you
>> may as well go on over to alt.people.stupid instead and leave
>> rec.aquaria.marine.reefs alone.
>>
>> Blake.
>>
>> J R-S wrote:
>>> I went even farther, I said, and still say, that is foolish to grow
>>> corals
>>> in a house aquarium.
>>> If you sell lifestock fine to grow corals but, if you just have a home
>>> aquarium, you are stupid to spend your money growing calcareous rock
>>> because
>>> that is all you are doing. Only the first layer of polyps is alive, the
>>> layers underneath are dead skeletons. So, why waste your money in doing
>>> that? It beats me but go and do with your wallet as you please, in my
>>> humble opinion, YOU ARE STUPID...
>>
>
>

[J R-S]

Poor guy, you really made me leave this group...

jrs
"JR-S" > wrote in message
news:CtDVf.949$ui7.652@trndny09...
>I know you are, but who am I.
> I am who I say I am and I don't have to prove nothing.
> Below is a link to my picture
>
> Love,
> JR-S
>
> Here is a link to a site I am on if you want a picture
> http://www.pbase.com/image/35414787
>
>
>
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "J R-S" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Great, now we can go on!
>>
>> Who is "we" ? You are alone, Jaime. Alone.
>
>
>

[Wayne Sallee]

For those that want to see a real picture of the kid, go
to http://geocities.com/jaimepr2/abuela.html

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 12:42 PM:
> Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting, NOT MY ILLUMINATION
> SYSTEM.
> I hope you get it this time.
> Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in this
> world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals that
> has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was wasting his
> money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent. I meant
> the filtering system including water changes. I did just that and my system
> will be in display soon and pictures will be posted here. Just for the hell
> of it I will buy some corals and throw it in to see if the thrive.
> I believe they will.
> jrs
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "J R-S" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> You are right about your observation.
>>> In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are argueing
>>> about two different systems.
>>> Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and the mixed
>>> up happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies needed that
>>> light and I said now, then everyone started defending the expensive
>>> illumination refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my
>>> systems.
>>> Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an aquarist) I
>>> am saying that it is!
>> Try to understand, that people keeping animals not requiring expensive
>> lights do not buy expensive lights... Nobody is crazy enough to spend
>> money on stuff they do not really need. The same is with filtration...
>> Keeping one guppy fish in a 100 gallon tank will not require expensive
>> filtration... All is in details: what animals, how many, how big tank
>> etc...
>> If you try to claim something extraordinary, than you need to provide
>> extraordinary proof. And this proof is your responsibility as claimant.
>> So far, from what you have said, I have not noticed anything
>> extraordinary.
>> But you claim it is something like that, something worth patenting...
>> It is not Wayne who said you have great invention worth a patent, you did!
>
>

[Boomer]

Come on Wayne you can do better than that. I know all about him :-)

http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=174173&ck=

Reading Comprehension Help

He needs the help on Reading Comprehension lol


Boomer

If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS

Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php

Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
http://www.coralrealm.com



"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
: For those that want to see a real picture of the kid, go
: to http://geocities.com/jaimepr2/abuela.html
:
: Wayne Sallee
: Wayne's Pets
:
:
:
: J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 12:42 PM:
: > Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting, NOT MY ILLUMINATION
: > SYSTEM.
: > I hope you get it this time.
: > Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in this
: > world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals that
: > has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was wasting his
: > money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent. I meant
: > the filtering system including water changes. I did just that and my system
: > will be in display soon and pictures will be posted here. Just for the hell
: > of it I will buy some corals and throw it in to see if the thrive.
: > I believe they will.
: > jrs
: > "Pszemol" > wrote in message
: > ...
: >> "J R-S" > wrote in message
: >> ...
: >>> You are right about your observation.
: >>> In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are argueing
: >>> about two different systems.
: >>> Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and the mixed
: >>> up happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies needed that
: >>> light and I said now, then everyone started defending the expensive
: >>> illumination refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my
: >>> systems.
: >>> Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an aquarist) I
: >>> am saying that it is!
: >> Try to understand, that people keeping animals not requiring expensive
: >> lights do not buy expensive lights... Nobody is crazy enough to spend
: >> money on stuff they do not really need. The same is with filtration...
: >> Keeping one guppy fish in a 100 gallon tank will not require expensive
: >> filtration... All is in details: what animals, how many, how big tank
: >> etc...
: >> If you try to claim something extraordinary, than you need to provide
: >> extraordinary proof. And this proof is your responsibility as claimant.
: >> So far, from what you have said, I have not noticed anything
: >> extraordinary.
: >> But you claim it is something like that, something worth patenting...
: >> It is not Wayne who said you have great invention worth a patent, you did!
: >
: >

[Wayne Sallee]

hehe, yep you found him. But the web site that I posted a
link to with the picture of the kid is also him.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Boomer wrote on 3/27/2006 7:04 PM:
> Come on Wayne you can do better than that. I know all about him :-)
>
> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=174173&ck=
>
> Reading Comprehension Help
>
> He needs the help on Reading Comprehension lol
>
>
> Boomer
>
> If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
>
> Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
> Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
>
> Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
> http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
>
> Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
> http://www.coralrealm.com
>
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
> : For those that want to see a real picture of the kid, go
> : to http://geocities.com/jaimepr2/abuela.html
> :
> : Wayne Sallee
> : Wayne's Pets
> :
> :
> :
> : J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 12:42 PM:
> : > Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting, NOT MY ILLUMINATION
> : > SYSTEM.
> : > I hope you get it this time.
> : > Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in this
> : > world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals that
> : > has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was wasting his
> : > money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent. I meant
> : > the filtering system including water changes. I did just that and my system
> : > will be in display soon and pictures will be posted here. Just for the hell
> : > of it I will buy some corals and throw it in to see if the thrive.
> : > I believe they will.
> : > jrs
> : > "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> : > ...
> : >> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> : >> ...
> : >>> You are right about your observation.
> : >>> In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are argueing
> : >>> about two different systems.
> : >>> Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and the mixed
> : >>> up happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies needed that
> : >>> light and I said now, then everyone started defending the expensive
> : >>> illumination refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my
> : >>> systems.
> : >>> Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an aquarist) I
> : >>> am saying that it is!
> : >> Try to understand, that people keeping animals not requiring expensive
> : >> lights do not buy expensive lights... Nobody is crazy enough to spend
> : >> money on stuff they do not really need. The same is with filtration...
> : >> Keeping one guppy fish in a 100 gallon tank will not require expensive
> : >> filtration... All is in details: what animals, how many, how big tank
> : >> etc...
> : >> If you try to claim something extraordinary, than you need to provide
> : >> extraordinary proof. And this proof is your responsibility as claimant.
> : >> So far, from what you have said, I have not noticed anything
> : >> extraordinary.
> : >> But you claim it is something like that, something worth patenting...
> : >> It is not Wayne who said you have great invention worth a patent, you did!
> : >
> : >
>
>

[J R-S]

What is the bid deal Wayne? why waste your time searching for me? Oh! I
forgot, you like to waste your time and money...

jrs
"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> hehe, yep you found him. But the web site that I posted a link to with the
> picture of the kid is also him.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> Boomer wrote on 3/27/2006 7:04 PM:
>> Come on Wayne you can do better than that. I know all about him :-)
>>
>> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=174173&ck=
>>
>> Reading Comprehension Help
>>
>> He needs the help on Reading Comprehension lol
>>
>>
>> Boomer
>>
>> If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
>>
>> Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
>> Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
>>
>> Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
>> http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
>>
>> Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
>> http://www.coralrealm.com
>>
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> : For those that want to see a real picture of the kid, go
>> : to http://geocities.com/jaimepr2/abuela.html
>> :
>> : Wayne Sallee
>> : Wayne's Pets
>> :
>> :
>> :
>> : J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 12:42 PM:
>> : > Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting, NOT MY
>> ILLUMINATION
>> : > SYSTEM.
>> : > I hope you get it this time.
>> : > Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in
>> this
>> : > world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals
>> that
>> : > has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was
>> wasting his
>> : > money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent. I
>> meant
>> : > the filtering system including water changes. I did just that and my
>> system
>> : > will be in display soon and pictures will be posted here. Just for
>> the hell
>> : > of it I will buy some corals and throw it in to see if the thrive.
>> : > I believe they will.
>> : > jrs
>> : > "Pszemol" > wrote in message
>> : > ...
>> : >> "J R-S" > wrote in message
>> : >> ...
>> : >>> You are right about your observation.
>> : >>> In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are
>> argueing
>> : >>> about two different systems.
>> : >>> Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and the
>> mixed
>> : >>> up happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies needed
>> that
>> : >>> light and I said now, then everyone started defending the expensive
>> : >>> illumination refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my
>> : >>> systems.
>> : >>> Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an
>> aquarist) I
>> : >>> am saying that it is!
>> : >> Try to understand, that people keeping animals not requiring
>> expensive
>> : >> lights do not buy expensive lights... Nobody is crazy enough to
>> spend
>> : >> money on stuff they do not really need. The same is with
>> filtration...
>> : >> Keeping one guppy fish in a 100 gallon tank will not require
>> expensive
>> : >> filtration... All is in details: what animals, how many, how big
>> tank
>> : >> etc...
>> : >> If you try to claim something extraordinary, than you need to
>> provide
>> : >> extraordinary proof. And this proof is your responsibility as
>> claimant.
>> : >> So far, from what you have said, I have not noticed anything
>> : >> extraordinary.
>> : >> But you claim it is something like that, something worth
>> patenting...
>> : >> It is not Wayne who said you have great invention worth a patent,
>> you did!
>> : >
>> : >

[J R-S]

Wao! I forgot that site even existed, well, is of no use now, I took the GRE
back in 2003, today is another ball game.
Why spend that much effort in trying to find me?
Cyberstalking?

jrs
"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> Come on Wayne you can do better than that. I know all about him :-)
>
> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=174173&ck=
>
> Reading Comprehension Help
>
> He needs the help on Reading Comprehension lol
>
>
> Boomer
>
> If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
>
> Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
> Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
>
> Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
> http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
>
> Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
> http://www.coralrealm.com
>
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
> : For those that want to see a real picture of the kid, go
> : to http://geocities.com/jaimepr2/abuela.html
> :
> : Wayne Sallee
> : Wayne's Pets
> :
> :
> :
> : J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 12:42 PM:
> : > Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting, NOT MY
> ILLUMINATION
> : > SYSTEM.
> : > I hope you get it this time.
> : > Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in
> this
> : > world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals
> that
> : > has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was wasting
> his
> : > money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent. I
> meant
> : > the filtering system including water changes. I did just that and my
> system
> : > will be in display soon and pictures will be posted here. Just for
> the hell
> : > of it I will buy some corals and throw it in to see if the thrive.
> : > I believe they will.
> : > jrs
> : > "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> : > ...
> : >> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> : >> ...
> : >>> You are right about your observation.
> : >>> In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are
> argueing
> : >>> about two different systems.
> : >>> Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and the
> mixed
> : >>> up happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies needed
> that
> : >>> light and I said now, then everyone started defending the expensive
> : >>> illumination refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my
> : >>> systems.
> : >>> Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an
> aquarist) I
> : >>> am saying that it is!
> : >> Try to understand, that people keeping animals not requiring
> expensive
> : >> lights do not buy expensive lights... Nobody is crazy enough to spend
> : >> money on stuff they do not really need. The same is with
> filtration...
> : >> Keeping one guppy fish in a 100 gallon tank will not require
> expensive
> : >> filtration... All is in details: what animals, how many, how big tank
> : >> etc...
> : >> If you try to claim something extraordinary, than you need to provide
> : >> extraordinary proof. And this proof is your responsibility as
> claimant.
> : >> So far, from what you have said, I have not noticed anything
> : >> extraordinary.
> : >> But you claim it is something like that, something worth patenting...
> : >> It is not Wayne who said you have great invention worth a patent, you
> did!
> : >
> : >
>
>

[Boomer]

It took like 5 seconds

--
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If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

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"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
: Wao! I forgot that site even existed, well, is of no use now, I took the GRE
: back in 2003, today is another ball game.
: Why spend that much effort in trying to find me?
: Cyberstalking?
:
: jrs
: "Boomer" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Come on Wayne you can do better than that. I know all about him :-)
: >
: > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=174173&ck=
: >
: > Reading Comprehension Help
: >
: > He needs the help on Reading Comprehension lol
: >
: >
: > Boomer
: >
: > If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
: >
: > Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
: > Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
: >
: > Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
: > http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
: >
: > Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
: > http://www.coralrealm.com
: >
: >
: >
: > "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > : For those that want to see a real picture of the kid, go
: > : to http://geocities.com/jaimepr2/abuela.html
: > :
: > : Wayne Sallee
: > : Wayne's Pets
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 12:42 PM:
: > : > Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting, NOT MY
: > ILLUMINATION
: > : > SYSTEM.
: > : > I hope you get it this time.
: > : > Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in
: > this
: > : > world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals
: > that
: > : > has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was wasting
: > his
: > : > money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent. I
: > meant
: > : > the filtering system including water changes. I did just that and my
: > system
: > : > will be in display soon and pictures will be posted here. Just for
: > the hell
: > : > of it I will buy some corals and throw it in to see if the thrive.
: > : > I believe they will.
: > : > jrs
: > : > "Pszemol" > wrote in message
: > : > ...
: > : >> "J R-S" > wrote in message
: > : >> ...
: > : >>> You are right about your observation.
: > : >>> In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are
: > argueing
: > : >>> about two different systems.
: > : >>> Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and the
: > mixed
: > : >>> up happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies needed
: > that
: > : >>> light and I said now, then everyone started defending the expensive
: > : >>> illumination refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my
: > : >>> systems.
: > : >>> Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an
: > aquarist) I
: > : >>> am saying that it is!
: > : >> Try to understand, that people keeping animals not requiring
: > expensive
: > : >> lights do not buy expensive lights... Nobody is crazy enough to spend
: > : >> money on stuff they do not really need. The same is with
: > filtration...
: > : >> Keeping one guppy fish in a 100 gallon tank will not require
: > expensive
: > : >> filtration... All is in details: what animals, how many, how big tank
: > : >> etc...
: > : >> If you try to claim something extraordinary, than you need to provide
: > : >> extraordinary proof. And this proof is your responsibility as
: > claimant.
: > : >> So far, from what you have said, I have not noticed anything
: > : >> extraordinary.
: > : >> But you claim it is something like that, something worth patenting...
: > : >> It is not Wayne who said you have great invention worth a patent, you
: > did!
: > : >
: > : >
: >
: >
:
:

[Boomer]

"I forgot that site even existed"

That stands to reason, you forget allot, like marine biology. Please return to school

--
Boomer

If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS

Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php

Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
http://www.coralrealm.com



"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
: Wao! I forgot that site even existed, well, is of no use now, I took the GRE
: back in 2003, today is another ball game.
: Why spend that much effort in trying to find me?
: Cyberstalking?
:
: jrs
: "Boomer" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Come on Wayne you can do better than that. I know all about him :-)
: >
: > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=174173&ck=
: >
: > Reading Comprehension Help
: >
: > He needs the help on Reading Comprehension lol
: >
: >
: > Boomer
: >
: > If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
: >
: > Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
: > Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
: >
: > Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
: > http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
: >
: > Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
: > http://www.coralrealm.com
: >
: >
: >
: > "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > : For those that want to see a real picture of the kid, go
: > : to http://geocities.com/jaimepr2/abuela.html
: > :
: > : Wayne Sallee
: > : Wayne's Pets
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 12:42 PM:
: > : > Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting, NOT MY
: > ILLUMINATION
: > : > SYSTEM.
: > : > I hope you get it this time.
: > : > Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in
: > this
: > : > world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals
: > that
: > : > has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was wasting
: > his
: > : > money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent. I
: > meant
: > : > the filtering system including water changes. I did just that and my
: > system
: > : > will be in display soon and pictures will be posted here. Just for
: > the hell
: > : > of it I will buy some corals and throw it in to see if the thrive.
: > : > I believe they will.
: > : > jrs
: > : > "Pszemol" > wrote in message
: > : > ...
: > : >> "J R-S" > wrote in message
: > : >> ...
: > : >>> You are right about your observation.
: > : >>> In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are
: > argueing
: > : >>> about two different systems.
: > : >>> Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and the
: > mixed
: > : >>> up happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies needed
: > that
: > : >>> light and I said now, then everyone started defending the expensive
: > : >>> illumination refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my
: > : >>> systems.
: > : >>> Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an
: > aquarist) I
: > : >>> am saying that it is!
: > : >> Try to understand, that people keeping animals not requiring
: > expensive
: > : >> lights do not buy expensive lights... Nobody is crazy enough to spend
: > : >> money on stuff they do not really need. The same is with
: > filtration...
: > : >> Keeping one guppy fish in a 100 gallon tank will not require
: > expensive
: > : >> filtration... All is in details: what animals, how many, how big tank
: > : >> etc...
: > : >> If you try to claim something extraordinary, than you need to provide
: > : >> extraordinary proof. And this proof is your responsibility as
: > claimant.
: > : >> So far, from what you have said, I have not noticed anything
: > : >> extraordinary.
: > : >> But you claim it is something like that, something worth patenting...
: > : >> It is not Wayne who said you have great invention worth a patent, you
: > did!
: > : >
: > : >
: >
: >
:
:

[Boomer]

"Why spend that much effort ?

Look WHO is wasting time and effort. Count your wasted posts then mine. Please try to grow
up a little and act like a adult, rather than a punk kid


--
Boomer

If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS

Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php

Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
http://www.coralrealm.com



"J R-S" > wrote in message
...
: Wao! I forgot that site even existed, well, is of no use now, I took the GRE
: back in 2003, today is another ball game.
: Why spend that much effort in trying to find me?
: Cyberstalking?
:
: jrs
: "Boomer" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Come on Wayne you can do better than that. I know all about him :-)
: >
: > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=174173&ck=
: >
: > Reading Comprehension Help
: >
: > He needs the help on Reading Comprehension lol
: >
: >
: > Boomer
: >
: > If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
: >
: > Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
: > Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
: >
: > Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
: > http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
: >
: > Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
: > http://www.coralrealm.com
: >
: >
: >
: > "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > : For those that want to see a real picture of the kid, go
: > : to http://geocities.com/jaimepr2/abuela.html
: > :
: > : Wayne Sallee
: > : Wayne's Pets
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 12:42 PM:
: > : > Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting, NOT MY
: > ILLUMINATION
: > : > SYSTEM.
: > : > I hope you get it this time.
: > : > Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture in
: > this
: > : > world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150 gals
: > that
: > : > has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was wasting
: > his
: > : > money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent. I
: > meant
: > : > the filtering system including water changes. I did just that and my
: > system
: > : > will be in display soon and pictures will be posted here. Just for
: > the hell
: > : > of it I will buy some corals and throw it in to see if the thrive.
: > : > I believe they will.
: > : > jrs
: > : > "Pszemol" > wrote in message
: > : > ...
: > : >> "J R-S" > wrote in message
: > : >> ...
: > : >>> You are right about your observation.
: > : >>> In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are
: > argueing
: > : >>> about two different systems.
: > : >>> Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and the
: > mixed
: > : >>> up happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies needed
: > that
: > : >>> light and I said now, then everyone started defending the expensive
: > : >>> illumination refering to corals and I said it is not needed for my
: > : >>> systems.
: > : >>> Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an
: > aquarist) I
: > : >>> am saying that it is!
: > : >> Try to understand, that people keeping animals not requiring
: > expensive
: > : >> lights do not buy expensive lights... Nobody is crazy enough to spend
: > : >> money on stuff they do not really need. The same is with
: > filtration...
: > : >> Keeping one guppy fish in a 100 gallon tank will not require
: > expensive
: > : >> filtration... All is in details: what animals, how many, how big tank
: > : >> etc...
: > : >> If you try to claim something extraordinary, than you need to provide
: > : >> extraordinary proof. And this proof is your responsibility as
: > claimant.
: > : >> So far, from what you have said, I have not noticed anything
: > : >> extraordinary.
: > : >> But you claim it is something like that, something worth patenting...
: > : >> It is not Wayne who said you have great invention worth a patent, you
: > did!
: > : >
: > : >
: >
: >
:
:

[J R-S]

Boomer!

jrs
"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> "Why spend that much effort ?
>
> Look WHO is wasting time and effort. Count your wasted posts then mine.
> Please try to grow
> up a little and act like a adult, rather than a punk kid
>
>
> --
> Boomer
>
> If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
>
> Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
> Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
>
> Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
> http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
>
> Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
> http://www.coralrealm.com
>
>
>
> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> ...
> : Wao! I forgot that site even existed, well, is of no use now, I took the
> GRE
> : back in 2003, today is another ball game.
> : Why spend that much effort in trying to find me?
> : Cyberstalking?
> :
> : jrs
> : "Boomer" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Come on Wayne you can do better than that. I know all about him :-)
> : >
> : > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=174173&ck=
> : >
> : > Reading Comprehension Help
> : >
> : > He needs the help on Reading Comprehension lol
> : >
> : >
> : > Boomer
> : >
> : > If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
> : >
> : > Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
> : > Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
> : >
> : > Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
> : > http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
> : >
> : > Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
> : > http://www.coralrealm.com
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> : > ...
> : > : For those that want to see a real picture of the kid, go
> : > : to http://geocities.com/jaimepr2/abuela.html
> : > :
> : > : Wayne Sallee
> : > : Wayne's Pets
> : > :
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : J R-S wrote on 3/25/2006 12:42 PM:
> : > : > Exactly, I did say that my filter was worth patenting, NOT MY
> : > ILLUMINATION
> : > : > SYSTEM.
> : > : > I hope you get it this time.
> : > : > Also, the only reason I put my researches to the side to venture
> in
> : > this
> : > : > world is because a friend of mine showed me a REEF AQUARIUM 150
> gals
> : > that
> : > : > has cost him more than $3k. I saw it and told him that he was
> wasting
> : > his
> : > : > money, that the same could be achieved with half of what he spent.
> I
> : > meant
> : > : > the filtering system including water changes. I did just that and
> my
> : > system
> : > : > will be in display soon and pictures will be posted here. Just
> for
> : > the hell
> : > : > of it I will buy some corals and throw it in to see if the thrive.
> : > : > I believe they will.
> : > : > jrs
> : > : > "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> : > : > ...
> : > : >> "J R-S" > wrote in message
> : > : >> ...
> : > : >>> You are right about your observation.
> : > : >>> In this thread, THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO! we are
> : > argueing
> : > : >>> about two different systems.
> : > : >>> Is just that a while back, when all the confussion started and
> the
> : > mixed
> : > : >>> up happened, your friend Wayne, argued that even anemonies
> needed
> : > that
> : > : >>> light and I said now, then everyone started defending the
> expensive
> : > : >>> illumination refering to corals and I said it is not needed for
> my
> : > : >>> systems.
> : > : >>> Well, I am not "trying" to say that it was Wayne's fault (an
> : > aquarist) I
> : > : >>> am saying that it is!
> : > : >> Try to understand, that people keeping animals not requiring
> : > expensive
> : > : >> lights do not buy expensive lights... Nobody is crazy enough to
> spend
> : > : >> money on stuff they do not really need. The same is with
> : > filtration...
> : > : >> Keeping one guppy fish in a 100 gallon tank will not require
> : > expensive
> : > : >> filtration... All is in details: what animals, how many, how big
> tank
> : > : >> etc...
> : > : >> If you try to claim something extraordinary, than you need to
> provide
> : > : >> extraordinary proof. And this proof is your responsibility as
> : > claimant.
> : > : >> So far, from what you have said, I have not noticed anything
> : > : >> extraordinary.
> : > : >> But you claim it is something like that, something worth
> patenting...
> : > : >> It is not Wayne who said you have great invention worth a patent,
> you
> : > did!
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>