Brisle Worms

[Peter Pan]

I have an established 75 gal (85lbs of LR) tank for 5 years now. When I
initally set it up, I noticed bristle worms in and around the sand bed. Now
I don't see them. Is this normal? AND should I do anything about it?

thanks

[Pszemol]

"Peter Pan" > wrote in message ...
> I have an established 75 gal (85lbs of LR) tank for 5 years now. When I
> initally set it up, I noticed bristle worms in and around the sand bed.
> Now I don't see them. Is this normal? AND should I do anything about it?

Do you have any predatory animals like shrimp, crabs, bumble-bee snails, etc?
Maybe your worms were killed by the predators in your tank...

Or, their population simply extinct due to lack of food or inproper
reproduction conditions... Sand bed animals require periodic replenishments.
You can do this replacing some of the live rock with a new one, or
ordering some amount of live sand from the ocean floor...

[Peter Pan]

I have plenty of Hermits and Snails in the tank.. I also have some Brissle
Star fish
"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "Peter Pan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I have an established 75 gal (85lbs of LR) tank for 5 years now. When I
>> initally set it up, I noticed bristle worms in and around the sand bed.
>> Now I don't see them. Is this normal? AND should I do anything about it?
>
> Do you have any predatory animals like shrimp, crabs, bumble-bee snails,
> etc?
> Maybe your worms were killed by the predators in your tank...
>
> Or, their population simply extinct due to lack of food or inproper
> reproduction conditions... Sand bed animals require periodic
> replenishments.
> You can do this replacing some of the live rock with a new one, or
> ordering some amount of live sand from the ocean floor...

[TheRock]

Yes improper reproductive conditions.
They need nurturance to survive. Something to eat.
Chances are they're still in there, just not noticeable.

You have successfully reduced their population...worm killer ! : )



"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "Peter Pan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I have an established 75 gal (85lbs of LR) tank for 5 years now. When I
>> initally set it up, I noticed bristle worms in and around the sand bed.
>> Now I don't see them. Is this normal? AND should I do anything about it?
>
> Do you have any predatory animals like shrimp, crabs, bumble-bee snails,
> etc?
> Maybe your worms were killed by the predators in your tank...
>
> Or, their population simply extinct due to lack of food or inproper
> reproduction conditions... Sand bed animals require periodic
> replenishments.
> You can do this replacing some of the live rock with a new one, or
> ordering some amount of live sand from the ocean floor...

[Peter Pan]

Well that's why I'm here.. to try and learn how to re-populate them. And I'm
hoping for a plea agreement with the Fish Prosecutor, perhaps some community
service or a minimum jail sentence for the unlawfull killing of Brisles. So
how do I go about repopulating them... I just added 10 LBS of LR last week,
what's the next step?

"TheRock" > wrote in message
news:CQRUf.3630$3t1.1794@trndny08...
> Yes improper reproductive conditions.
> They need nurturance to survive. Something to eat.
> Chances are they're still in there, just not noticeable.
>
> You have successfully reduced their population...worm killer ! : )
>
>
>
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Peter Pan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I have an established 75 gal (85lbs of LR) tank for 5 years now. When I
>>> initally set it up, I noticed bristle worms in and around the sand bed.
>>> Now I don't see them. Is this normal? AND should I do anything about it?
>>
>> Do you have any predatory animals like shrimp, crabs, bumble-bee snails,
>> etc?
>> Maybe your worms were killed by the predators in your tank...
>>
>> Or, their population simply extinct due to lack of food or inproper
>> reproduction conditions... Sand bed animals require periodic
>> replenishments.
>> You can do this replacing some of the live rock with a new one, or
>> ordering some amount of live sand from the ocean floor...
>
>

[P. Salad]

Uh...I guess I'm not always up on the latest fads...I thought we didn't
like bristle worms because they are jerks and eat coral and anemones...?

[Pszemol]

"P. Salad" > wrote in message oups.com...
> Uh...I guess I'm not always up on the latest fads...I thought we didn't
> like bristle worms because they are jerks and eat coral and anemones...?

No, they do not eat corals and anemones... :-)

[TheRock]

Hmmmmm....Bristle worms good for tank Yes. harmless beneficial detritivores
As long as they have food to munch they should reproduce.
I never thought I'd say this but Is it possible that you tank is too clean
??? ha ha ha

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/worms.htm

I think maybe after 5 years you may need to recharge your system via
live rock or flat out buying or see if your LFS got em in his/her tank.






"P. Salad" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Uh...I guess I'm not always up on the latest fads...I thought we didn't
> like bristle worms because they are jerks and eat coral and anemones...?
>

[Peter Pan]

Well the clean up crew does do it's job well .. I think they deserve a
raise...
"TheRock" > wrote in message news:iSYUf.141$Po1.13@trndny01...
> Hmmmmm....Bristle worms good for tank Yes. harmless beneficial
> detritivores
> As long as they have food to munch they should reproduce.
> I never thought I'd say this but Is it possible that you tank is too clean
> ??? ha ha ha
>
> http://www.wetwebmedia.com/worms.htm
>
> I think maybe after 5 years you may need to recharge your system via
> live rock or flat out buying or see if your LFS got em in his/her tank.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "P. Salad" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Uh...I guess I'm not always up on the latest fads...I thought we didn't
>> like bristle worms because they are jerks and eat coral and anemones...?
>>
>
>

[Wayne Sallee]

They get blamed for stuff, but they are benefisial. Then
there's the fire worm bristle worms. They are bad.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



P. Salad wrote on 3/24/2006 1:41 PM:
> Uh...I guess I'm not always up on the latest fads...I thought we didn't
> like bristle worms because they are jerks and eat coral and anemones...?
>

[George Patterson]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> They get blamed for stuff, but they are benefisial. Then there's the
> fire worm bristle worms. They are bad.

I just ran a search on these and all the web sites I hit seem to thing that fire
worms and bristle worms are the same thing. See
http://www.reefimages.com/Worms/Worms.htm

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

[Wayne Sallee]

Fire worms are a type of bristle worm.
Feather dusters are also a type of bristle worm.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets




George Patterson wrote on 3/24/2006 11:28 PM:
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
>> They get blamed for stuff, but they are benefisial. Then there's the
>> fire worm bristle worms. They are bad.
>
> I just ran a search on these and all the web sites I hit seem to thing
> that fire worms and bristle worms are the same thing. See
> http://www.reefimages.com/Worms/Worms.htm
>
> George Patterson
> Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
> your slightly older self.

[Tidepool Geek]

Hi Folks,

Many people are uncomfortable with 'scientific' nomenclature but it
really comes in handy for avoiding confusion in discussions like this
one.

When we say "Bristle Worms" we're talking about Polychaete Annelids
and usually 'Errant' (free living) polychaete annelids. There are
something like 10,000 known species of polychaetes and likely
thousands more that haven't yet been described. Setting aside the
sedentary (tube dwelling) polychaetes there are still many thousands
of different bristleworms out there.

The vast majority of the worms that are seen in aquaria are, at worst,
neutral and most of them are definitely beneficial as scavengers and
detrivores. There are a few predators in the wormy world but most of
them are fairly easily identified.

Fireworms are one group of polychaetes (around 120 species) that are
quite common in reef tanks and, like polychaetes in general, are
mostly beneficial.

The original question on this thread was something like "My bristle
worms have disappeared. What should I do?" First, if you haven't
already, look at your tank after the lights go out using a red
filtered flashlight. Many of these worms are pretty strictly nocturnal
and are almost unbelievably good at hiding out during the 'daylight'
hours. If you still can't find any worms in your tank, I'd suggest
looking into one or more of the Detrivore Kits that are available from
various sources. If you have access to a local aquarium club, I'm sure
that other members would be glad to help you out - especially since
there are still a lot of aquarists that assume all worms to be bad
actors.

If your worm population did indeed disappear, I would take that as a
sign that you may have been underfeeding your tank. I'm assuming that
you don't have a large population of worm predators (Arrow crabs?).
Once you get the worm population reestablished you might find it
beneficial to, not only the worms, but the rest of your animals to up
the feeding just a bit.

Here are links to a series of articles on worms in general and worms
in aquaria:

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-03/rs/index.php
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-04/rs/index.php
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-05/rs/index.php

Vermiciously yours,

Alex

[Wayne Sallee]

Fire worms are highly venomous, and are not usually found
in reef tanks. Regular bristle worms iritate you with a
mild venomous spines, but fire worms will make your hand
swell.


Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Tidepool Geek wrote on 3/25/2006 10:29 AM:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Many people are uncomfortable with 'scientific' nomenclature but it
> really comes in handy for avoiding confusion in discussions like this
> one.
>
> When we say "Bristle Worms" we're talking about Polychaete Annelids
> and usually 'Errant' (free living) polychaete annelids. There are
> something like 10,000 known species of polychaetes and likely
> thousands more that haven't yet been described. Setting aside the
> sedentary (tube dwelling) polychaetes there are still many thousands
> of different bristleworms out there.
>
> The vast majority of the worms that are seen in aquaria are, at worst,
> neutral and most of them are definitely beneficial as scavengers and
> detrivores. There are a few predators in the wormy world but most of
> them are fairly easily identified.
>
> Fireworms are one group of polychaetes (around 120 species) that are
> quite common in reef tanks and, like polychaetes in general, are
> mostly beneficial.
>
> The original question on this thread was something like "My bristle
> worms have disappeared. What should I do?" First, if you haven't
> already, look at your tank after the lights go out using a red
> filtered flashlight. Many of these worms are pretty strictly nocturnal
> and are almost unbelievably good at hiding out during the 'daylight'
> hours. If you still can't find any worms in your tank, I'd suggest
> looking into one or more of the Detrivore Kits that are available from
> various sources. If you have access to a local aquarium club, I'm sure
> that other members would be glad to help you out - especially since
> there are still a lot of aquarists that assume all worms to be bad
> actors.
>
> If your worm population did indeed disappear, I would take that as a
> sign that you may have been underfeeding your tank. I'm assuming that
> you don't have a large population of worm predators (Arrow crabs?).
> Once you get the worm population reestablished you might find it
> beneficial to, not only the worms, but the rest of your animals to up
> the feeding just a bit.
>
> Here are links to a series of articles on worms in general and worms
> in aquaria:
>
> http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-03/rs/index.php
> http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-04/rs/index.php
> http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-05/rs/index.php
>
> Vermiciously yours,
>
> Alex
>

[TW]

Pszemol wrote:

> "P. Salad" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>> Uh...I guess I'm not always up on the latest fads...I thought we didn't
>> like bristle worms because they are jerks and eat coral and anemones...?
>
>
> No, they do not eat corals and anemones... :-)
I have one in my tank ( that I know about) My tank is about 8 years old
and I saw him the first time around year 2. It was small , maybe 3 -4"
long. It has since grown very big. I would guess it is about 8" long.
I never see all of it , only parts of it exposed if I come a look at the
tank in the middle of the night with a flashlight. It is big because
when it retreats to the rock it takes a long time for all of it to snake
its way back into its hole. I have never felt that it has ever done any
damage to anything in my tank. I think it only cruises as a detrivore
cleaning up. I just let it alone and ignore it. I know what rock it
lives in but I just leave it there. It is wild when you see it exposed
and then it crawls back into cover. Cool.
I think you can just leave it alone

Todd