Pond snails

[CanadianCowboy©]

I am hearing good things about having snails in your pond.
What do you experts think ?
I am afraid that these things multiply like crazy and don't want them
getting into my vegetable garden or plants lining the pond.

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they eat your plants, the die and seriously foul the water.
worst, snails are the intermediate host for quite a few fish diseases.
Ingrid

CanadianCowboy© > wrote:

>I am hearing good things about having snails in your pond.
>What do you experts think ?
>I am afraid that these things multiply like crazy and don't want them
>getting into my vegetable garden or plants lining the pond.



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[CanadianCowboy©]

wrote:
> they eat your plants, the die and seriously foul the water.
> worst, snails are the intermediate host for quite a few fish diseases.
> Ingrid
>
> CanadianCowboy© > wrote:
>
>> I am hearing good things about having snails in your pond.
>> What do you experts think ?
>> I am afraid that these things multiply like crazy and don't want them
>> getting into my vegetable garden or plants lining the pond.
>
>
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Well you answered my question.

Thanks !!!

[Altum]

wrote:
> they eat your plants, the die and seriously foul the water.
> worst, snails are the intermediate host for quite a few fish diseases.
> Ingrid

Gee, my ramshorn snails only eat algae and dead plant leaves, leaving
the plants untouched. My fish are healthy, the water is not foul, and I
like to watch the snails cruise the pond.

How did you kill enough snails at once to foul the water? Ewww...

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[CanadianCowboy©]

Altum wrote:
> wrote:
>> they eat your plants, the die and seriously foul the water. worst,
>> snails are the intermediate host for quite a few fish diseases.
>> Ingrid
>
> Gee, my ramshorn snails only eat algae and dead plant leaves, leaving
> the plants untouched. My fish are healthy, the water is not foul, and I
> like to watch the snails cruise the pond.
>
> How did you kill enough snails at once to foul the water? Ewww...
>

Did you buy the ramshorn snails at an aquarium store ?
Are they the GOLD ones ?

[Derek Broughton]

CanadianCowboy© wrote:

> I am hearing good things about having snails in your pond.
> What do you experts think ?
> I am afraid that these things multiply like crazy and don't want them
> getting into my vegetable garden or plants lining the pond.

I don't _think_ aquatic snails are likely to get into your terrestrial
plants. They're aquatic :-) And despite Ingrid's cautions, you're not
going to have a pond _without_ snails. I don't think the "die and
seriously foul the water" issue is a problem. Ponds are full of creatures
that die. Mostly they get eaten by something else before they become
problems. I wouldn't deliberately introduce snails - partly because
they're "disease vectors", and partly because purchased snails are likely
to be non-native and they will definitely get loose, but don't worry about
trying to eliminate the ones you _will_ find.
--
derek

[Stephen Henning]

wrote:
> they eat your plants, the die and seriously foul the water.
> worst, snails are the intermediate host for quite a few fish diseases.
> Ingrid

I use trap door snails to keep my pond clean. They thrive on algae and
don't touch my plants and dead plant material. My fish love the nice
clean water they leave.
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[Gareee©]

"Stephen Henning" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> they eat your plants, the die and seriously foul the water.
>> worst, snails are the intermediate host for quite a few fish diseases.
>> Ingrid
>
> I use trap door snails to keep my pond clean. They thrive on algae and
> don't touch my plants and dead plant material. My fish love the nice
> clean water they leave.

Can those be purchased at pet stores?

We saw snails in a mountain stream on a hike today, and I was quite temped
to put a bunch in a water bottle, bring them back, and add them to our
pond...

--
Gareee©
(Gary Tabar Jr.)

[Altum]

CanadianCowboy© wrote:

> Did you buy the ramshorn snails at an aquarium store ?
> Are they the GOLD ones ?

Nothing that fancy. I got a bag of duckweed from a friend at the
aquarium society and there were red and brown ramshorns in it. I put
the red ones inside and the brown ones outdoors. They stay quite small
- usually smaller than a dime. Avoid the big, gold Columbian ramshorns.
Those are voracious plant eaters.

I also have a few physid snails - I have no idea where they came from.
They're the little bitty football shaped ones. They have more of a
reputation for multiplying and eating plants, but my plants look fine.

You mentioned collecting from a mountain stream, but I'm not sure I'd go
that far. Ingrid has a good point that snails can carry diseases,
although all of the snail-borne diseases also require specific
fish-eating birds and specific species of snails. The whole lifecycle
is unlikely to be completed in a small pond, but maybe in a larger one.
Of course, a large pond will get snails anyway.

Sick fish -> pelican or heron -> infected snail -> waterborne parasite.

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[Snooze]

"Altum" > wrote in message
et...
>
> Sick fish -> pelican or heron -> infected snail -> waterborne parasite.
>

I think you missed a step in there.

infected fish -> heron -> poop in water -> infected snail -> waterborne
parasite.

[Altum]

Snooze wrote:
> "Altum" > wrote in message
> et...
>> Sick fish -> pelican or heron -> infected snail -> waterborne parasite.
>>
>
> I think you missed a step in there.
>
> infected fish -> heron -> poop in water -> infected snail -> waterborne
> parasite.

Yeah. Ewww. Another goes something like

infected fish -> bird's throat -> back in water while eating another
fish -> infected snail -> waterborne parasite -> burrow into fish

Is that a weird lifecycle or what??? I'll stick to plain old sexual
reproduction, thanks. ;-)

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[DavidM]

CanadianCowboy© wrote:
> I am hearing good things about having snails in your pond.
> What do you experts think ?
> I am afraid that these things multiply like crazy and don't want them
> getting into my vegetable garden or plants lining the pond.


Is this the first real pond post in days? I filter out all posts that
_don't_ have the word "pond" in their subject. How many am I missing?

I gave up keeping a killfile for this group long ago, the last couple of
days there have been hundreds of messages that got filtered down to zero
for not containing the word pond in their subject.

David

[Gill Passman]

DavidM wrote:
> CanadianCowboy© wrote:
>
>> I am hearing good things about having snails in your pond.
>> What do you experts think ?
>> I am afraid that these things multiply like crazy and don't want them
>> getting into my vegetable garden or plants lining the pond.
>
>
>
> Is this the first real pond post in days? I filter out all posts that
> _don't_ have the word "pond" in their subject. How many am I missing?
>
> I gave up keeping a killfile for this group long ago, the last couple of
> days there have been hundreds of messages that got filtered down to zero
> for not containing the word pond in their subject.
>
> David

There have been a lot of on-topic postings over the last few days but
most don't have the word "pond" in the subject. The background noise is
quietening down although not gone completely. Try looking at the recent
stuff (this month) and filter out the off-topic stuff...

Gill

[Mister Gardener]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:16:07 GMT, Altum >
wrote:

>Snooze wrote:
>> "Altum" > wrote in message
>> et...
>>> Sick fish -> pelican or heron -> infected snail -> waterborne parasite.
>>>
>>
>> I think you missed a step in there.
>>
>> infected fish -> heron -> poop in water -> infected snail -> waterborne
>> parasite.
>
>Yeah. Ewww. Another goes something like
>
>infected fish -> bird's throat -> back in water while eating another
>fish -> infected snail -> waterborne parasite -> burrow into fish
>
>Is that a weird lifecycle or what??? I'll stick to plain old sexual
>reproduction, thanks. ;-)

Heeheehee. Now that's something most of us can relate to.
(picture of dirty old man snickering goes here)

-- Mister Gardener

[Stephen Henning]

"Gareee©" > wrote:

> I wrote in message
> > I use trap door snails to keep my pond clean. They thrive on algae and
> > don't touch my plants and dead plant material. My fish love the nice
> > clean water they leave.
>
> Can those be purchased at pet stores?

I bought mine at a pond shop. Here in SE PA our best pond shop is a
great garden center called Black Creek Greenhouse off route 625 in
Lancaster County in the Pennsylvania Dutch area. *It is about a couple
miles north of Shady Maple (rt. 23). It is open from April 1 to July 1,
and is the best place for water plants, Koi, and snails.
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[Mister Gardener]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:32:19 +0100, DavidM
> wrote:

>Is this the first real pond post in days? I filter out all posts that
>_don't_ have the word "pond" in their subject. How many am I missing?

Hey, open up your filter and join in. You've been missing a LOT of
good pond posting. The background noise is at a very low rumble right
now. Barely audible.

-- Mister Gardener

[Derek Broughton]

DavidM wrote:

> CanadianCowboy© wrote:
>> I am hearing good things about having snails in your pond.
>> What do you experts think ?
>> I am afraid that these things multiply like crazy and don't want them
>> getting into my vegetable garden or plants lining the pond.
>
>
> Is this the first real pond post in days? I filter out all posts that
> _don't_ have the word "pond" in their subject. How many am I missing?

Most. The group's doing quite well, actually. I have 337 valid posts over
10 days. I guarantee there are a good number of others that got
unfortunately blocked by my fairly simple filters.

I filter all cross-posts, anything from anonymous remailers, a few IPs, and
just a few specific posters (and I really think I could drop those rules -
the others take care of it) and I haven't seen a single non-pond post in
days. I refuse to put "pond" in the subject - besides the fact that it's
just as easy for the troublemakers to do it, you block out all the new
posters who come looking for help but don't know your rules.
--
derek

[Gareee©]

"Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:32:19 +0100, DavidM
> > wrote:
>
>>Is this the first real pond post in days? I filter out all posts that
>>_don't_ have the word "pond" in their subject. How many am I missing?
>
> Hey, open up your filter and join in. You've been missing a LOT of
> good pond posting. The background noise is at a very low rumble right
> now. Barely audible.

Off thread topic.. is there a way to filter out crossposts in outlook
express?

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Gareee©
(Gary Tabar Jr.)

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the well known ones maybe yes, but black spot doesnt need a fish eating bird. and
then there are ALL the unknown ones cause nobody is looking for them.
Ingrid

Altum > wrote:
>although all of the snail-borne diseases also require specific
>fish-eating birds and specific species of snails. The whole lifecycle
>is unlikely to be completed in a small pond, but maybe in a larger one.


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[DavidM]

Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Is this the first real pond post in days? I filter out all posts that
>> _don't_ have the word "pond" in their subject. How many am I missing?
>
> Most. The group's doing quite well, actually. I have 337 valid posts over
> 10 days. I guarantee there are a good number of others that got
> unfortunately blocked by my fairly simple filters.
>
> I filter all cross-posts, anything from anonymous remailers, a few IPs, and
> just a few specific posters (and I really think I could drop those rules -
> the others take care of it) and I haven't seen a single non-pond post in
> days. I refuse to put "pond" in the subject - besides the fact that it's
> just as easy for the troublemakers to do it, you block out all the new
> posters who come looking for help but don't know your rules.

I'll try dropping the "pond" filter and see what turns up.

Spring has just about arrived in the UK, so I need to start paying the
pond a bit more attention. The skippy-style filter I installed last May
seems to be doing very well (fingers crossed).
David

[Koi-Lo]

"Gareee©" > wrote in message
...
> "Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:32:19 +0100, DavidM
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Is this the first real pond post in days? I filter out all posts that
>>>_don't_ have the word "pond" in their subject. How many am I missing?
>>
>> Hey, open up your filter and join in. You've been missing a LOT of
>> good pond posting. The background noise is at a very low rumble right
>> now. Barely audible.
>
> Off thread topic.. is there a way to filter out crossposts in outlook
> express?
=====================
Have you tried Message/Ignore Conversation? Also do a Message/Block Sender
on anyone you see posting or starting a new off-topic thread from another
NG. That should get rid of most of them.
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Aquariums since 1952
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Gareee©]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...

> Also do a Message/Block Sender on anyone you see posting or starting a new
> off-topic thread from another NG. That should get rid of most of them.

Except they change their nick every 2 days.. I looked when I was here last
time, and I had almost 200 filters created trying to filter them out.

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Gareee©
(Gary Tabar Jr.)

[~ janj]

>Is this the first real pond post in days? I filter out all posts that
>_don't_ have the word "pond" in their subject. How many am I missing?
>David

We dropped the "pond" word request as lately, knock on wood, what with it
being April 1st in little over an hour, we haven't had any senseless
flooding of the group. ~ jan


~ jan/WA
Zone 7a