Follow-up to latest problem

[cindys]

Hi! I had the problem with the black moors sitting at the bottom of the tank
and floating at the top. Ingrid, I took your advice about not feeding the
fish for a few days, and it worked great! No more floating, no more sitting
on the bottom of the tank. The fish were swimming happily. After 4 days of
not feeding the fish, I figured I couldn't stop feeding them forever, so I
fed them. Within one day, the one fish was floating at the top of the tank
again. What now? (I haven't done a partial water change in at least a week,
but I checked the nitrates, nitrites, pH etc a few days ago, and everything
was fine). I'll do a partial water change tomorrow to see if that helps too.
Thank you in advance for all your help.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

[[email protected]]

it is the food and how much you give them.

dont feed them again. and this time make a gel based food for them.
from my list

"Ocean Nutrition brand, Formula Two (frozen gel cubes, algae
eaters diet) Monday through Friday, and very tiny dry sinking pellets
(Marineland BioGold) on the weekends (autofeeder). My ryukin is doing
MUCH better, no more floating upside down, no more gulping at the
surface, and no more tipsy swimming!
The ingredients in Formula Two are as follows: plankton, gel binder,
spinach, shrimp, krill, clams, krill hydrolysate, lettuce, peas, sardine
meal, salmon egg oil, squid, kelp, lecithin, spirulina, cod liver oil,
paprika, vitamins (lots of them"
or make your own "Hikari "First Bites" is an excellent, finely
powdered fry food. "" powdered mix to make your own gel food http://www.mazuri.com/
click on products its on the left hand side of the page, then click on alphabetical
order its on the middle of the page, then click on Aquatic Gel Diet-5M70. That will
take you to the list of ingredients and also how to prepare the mix.
Aquarium Products also made gel based anti-parasitic and anti-bacterial fish
feed. http://www.aq-products.com/

and do a search on google for gel fish food
Ingrid


"cindys" > wrote:

>Hi! I had the problem with the black moors sitting at the bottom of the tank
>and floating at the top. Ingrid, I took your advice about not feeding the
>fish for a few days, and it worked great! No more floating, no more sitting
>on the bottom of the tank. The fish were swimming happily. After 4 days of
>not feeding the fish, I figured I couldn't stop feeding them forever, so I
>fed them. Within one day, the one fish was floating at the top of the tank
>again. What now? (I haven't done a partial water change in at least a week,
>but I checked the nitrates, nitrites, pH etc a few days ago, and everything
>was fine). I'll do a partial water change tomorrow to see if that helps too.
>Thank you in advance for all your help.
>Best regards,
>---Cindy S.
>



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[cindys]

Thank you!
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

> wrote in message
...
> it is the food and how much you give them.
>
> dont feed them again. and this time make a gel based food for them.
> from my list
>
> "Ocean Nutrition brand, Formula Two (frozen gel cubes, algae
> eaters diet) Monday through Friday, and very tiny dry sinking pellets
> (Marineland BioGold) on the weekends (autofeeder). My ryukin is doing
> MUCH better, no more floating upside down, no more gulping at the
> surface, and no more tipsy swimming!
> The ingredients in Formula Two are as follows: plankton, gel binder,
> spinach, shrimp, krill, clams, krill hydrolysate, lettuce, peas, sardine
> meal, salmon egg oil, squid, kelp, lecithin, spirulina, cod liver oil,
> paprika, vitamins (lots of them"
> or make your own "Hikari "First Bites" is an excellent, finely
> powdered fry food. "" powdered mix to make your own gel food
http://www.mazuri.com/
> click on products its on the left hand side of the page, then click on
alphabetical
> order its on the middle of the page, then click on Aquatic Gel Diet-5M70.
That will
> take you to the list of ingredients and also how to prepare the mix.
> Aquarium Products also made gel based anti-parasitic and anti-bacterial
fish
> feed. http://www.aq-products.com/
>
> and do a search on google for gel fish food
> Ingrid
>
>
> "cindys" > wrote:
>
> >Hi! I had the problem with the black moors sitting at the bottom of the
tank
> >and floating at the top. Ingrid, I took your advice about not feeding the
> >fish for a few days, and it worked great! No more floating, no more
sitting
> >on the bottom of the tank. The fish were swimming happily. After 4 days
of
> >not feeding the fish, I figured I couldn't stop feeding them forever, so
I
> >fed them. Within one day, the one fish was floating at the top of the
tank
> >again. What now? (I haven't done a partial water change in at least a
week,
> >but I checked the nitrates, nitrites, pH etc a few days ago, and
everything
> >was fine). I'll do a partial water change tomorrow to see if that helps
too.
> >Thank you in advance for all your help.
> >Best regards,
> >---Cindy S.
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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website.
> I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan

[Koi-Lo]

"cindys" > wrote in message
...
> Hi! I had the problem with the black moors sitting at the bottom of the
> tank
> and floating at the top. Ingrid, I took your advice about not feeding the
> fish for a few days, and it worked great! No more floating, no more
> sitting
> on the bottom of the tank. The fish were swimming happily. After 4 days
> of
> not feeding the fish, I figured I couldn't stop feeding them forever, so I
> fed them. Within one day, the one fish was floating at the top of the tank
> again. What now? (I haven't done a partial water change in at least a
> week,
> but I checked the nitrates, nitrites, pH etc a few days ago, and
> everything
> was fine). I'll do a partial water change tomorrow to see if that helps
> too.
> Thank you in advance for all your help.
> Best regards,
=======================
Please keep us updated as to how this fish makes out in the long run. I
never had a floater to live very long. The problem always returned. I had
one fantail that survived and I thought it was cured since I had put it
outside in a small pond. It did well for awhile. One day there it was -
belly-up and dead.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[[email protected]]

ok.. it was early when I wrote this. dont feed them until they stop the floating or
3-4 days. THEN, feed them small amounts of gel based food

AND REPORT BACK!!! Ingrid

wrote:

>it is the food and how much you give them.
>
>dont feed them again. and this time make a gel based food for them.
>from my list
>
>"Ocean Nutrition brand, Formula Two (frozen gel cubes, algae
>eaters diet) Monday through Friday, and very tiny dry sinking pellets
>(Marineland BioGold) on the weekends (autofeeder). My ryukin is doing
>MUCH better, no more floating upside down, no more gulping at the
>surface, and no more tipsy swimming!
>The ingredients in Formula Two are as follows: plankton, gel binder,
>spinach, shrimp, krill, clams, krill hydrolysate, lettuce, peas, sardine
>meal, salmon egg oil, squid, kelp, lecithin, spirulina, cod liver oil,
>paprika, vitamins (lots of them"
>or make your own "Hikari "First Bites" is an excellent, finely
>powdered fry food. "" powdered mix to make your own gel food http://www.mazuri.com/
>click on products its on the left hand side of the page, then click on alphabetical
>order its on the middle of the page, then click on Aquatic Gel Diet-5M70. That will
>take you to the list of ingredients and also how to prepare the mix.
>Aquarium Products also made gel based anti-parasitic and anti-bacterial fish
>feed. http://www.aq-products.com/
>
>and do a search on google for gel fish food
>Ingrid
>
>
>"cindys" > wrote:
>
>>Hi! I had the problem with the black moors sitting at the bottom of the tank
>>and floating at the top. Ingrid, I took your advice about not feeding the
>>fish for a few days, and it worked great! No more floating, no more sitting
>>on the bottom of the tank. The fish were swimming happily. After 4 days of
>>not feeding the fish, I figured I couldn't stop feeding them forever, so I
>>fed them. Within one day, the one fish was floating at the top of the tank
>>again. What now? (I haven't done a partial water change in at least a week,
>>but I checked the nitrates, nitrites, pH etc a few days ago, and everything
>>was fine). I'll do a partial water change tomorrow to see if that helps too.
>>Thank you in advance for all your help.
>>Best regards,
>>---Cindy S.
>>
>
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
>http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
>sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
>www.drsolo.com
>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website.
>I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website.
I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[cindys]

> wrote in message
...
> ok.. it was early when I wrote this. dont feed them until they stop the
floating or
> 3-4 days. THEN, feed them small amounts of gel based food
>
> AND REPORT BACK!!! Ingrid
--------
I will.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

>
> wrote:
>
> >it is the food and how much you give them.
> >
> >dont feed them again. and this time make a gel based food for them.
> >from my list
> >
> >"Ocean Nutrition brand, Formula Two (frozen gel cubes, algae
> >eaters diet) Monday through Friday, and very tiny dry sinking pellets
> >(Marineland BioGold) on the weekends (autofeeder). My ryukin is doing
> >MUCH better, no more floating upside down, no more gulping at the
> >surface, and no more tipsy swimming!
> >The ingredients in Formula Two are as follows: plankton, gel binder,
> >spinach, shrimp, krill, clams, krill hydrolysate, lettuce, peas, sardine
> >meal, salmon egg oil, squid, kelp, lecithin, spirulina, cod liver oil,
> >paprika, vitamins (lots of them"
> >or make your own "Hikari "First Bites" is an excellent, finely
> >powdered fry food. "" powdered mix to make your own gel food
http://www.mazuri.com/
> >click on products its on the left hand side of the page, then click on
alphabetical
> >order its on the middle of the page, then click on Aquatic Gel Diet-5M70.
That will
> >take you to the list of ingredients and also how to prepare the mix.
> >Aquarium Products also made gel based anti-parasitic and anti-bacterial
fish
> >feed. http://www.aq-products.com/
> >
> >and do a search on google for gel fish food
> >Ingrid
> >
> >
> >"cindys" > wrote:
> >
> >>Hi! I had the problem with the black moors sitting at the bottom of the
tank
> >>and floating at the top. Ingrid, I took your advice about not feeding
the
> >>fish for a few days, and it worked great! No more floating, no more
sitting
> >>on the bottom of the tank. The fish were swimming happily. After 4 days
of
> >>not feeding the fish, I figured I couldn't stop feeding them forever, so
I
> >>fed them. Within one day, the one fish was floating at the top of the
tank
> >>again. What now? (I haven't done a partial water change in at least a
week,
> >>but I checked the nitrates, nitrites, pH etc a few days ago, and
everything
> >>was fine). I'll do a partial water change tomorrow to see if that helps
too.
> >>Thank you in advance for all your help.
> >>Best regards,
> >>---Cindy S.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
> >http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
> >sign up:
http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
> >www.drsolo.com
> >Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold
website.
> >I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
> http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
> sign up:
http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold
website.
> I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan

[cindys]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>
> =======================
> Please keep us updated as to how this fish makes out in the long run. I
> never had a floater to live very long.

This has been going on with my fish for a number of weeks.

>The problem always returned.

The fish were doing better for a while after the Maracin treatment. I
thought that was the solution. It obviously wasn't :-(


> I had
> one fantail that survived and I thought it was cured since I had put it
> outside in a small pond. It did well for awhile. One day there it was -
> belly-up and dead.

Well, if you recall, that's what happened with the previous fish (the one
for whom this one was the replacement), but that one seemed to be in worse
condition, and that time I treated the tank with tetracycline (but never
switched the food).
I'll keep you posted.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

[Koi-Lo]

"cindys" > wrote in message
...
> Well, if you recall, that's what happened with the previous fish (the one
> for whom this one was the replacement), but that one seemed to be in worse
> condition, and that time I treated the tank with tetracycline (but never
> switched the food).
> I'll keep you posted.
> Best regards,
==========================
Good luck and remember, once you get past those first weeks with new GF,
they can be with you for 10 years or more!
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[cindys]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cindys" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Well, if you recall, that's what happened with the previous fish (the
one
> > for whom this one was the replacement), but that one seemed to be in
worse
> > condition, and that time I treated the tank with tetracycline (but never
> > switched the food).
> > I'll keep you posted.
> > Best regards,
> ==========================
> Good luck and remember, once you get past those first weeks with new GF,
> they can be with you for 10 years or more!
--------
Thanks, but I've had the current fish for several months. The other one,
(who has also been bottom-sitting but not to floating) has been with me for
over six months. The original one that died had been with us for over a
year, but in a different tank :-(
Best regards,
---Cindy S.