fantail died

[Foundryrat]

i have a one gallon setup. Nothing spectacular
but it's all i'm allowed. So i got a one gallon
aquarium. Set it up last saturday bought a
fantail and plecostymous. I didn't wait the full
48 hours for the water to aerate. Although i did
by water neutralyzer. after first few days though
both fish seem to acclymate.

Today was day five plescostymous still healthy.
Looking at the fantail before work there just
wasn't much life to it. It was alive not on the
side but just moving oh so slowly. Almost looked
as though it had battle wounds from poky plastic
plant in aquarium. My theory is the fish
bludgeoned itself to death with poky plastic in
aquarium

Well i got out of work tonight fantail was dead no
life at all. wasn't even dying, it was dead.

Any advice on my next fish. Anyone have fish
bludgeon themselves to death? Would that be a
recurring problem?

Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether
to get a fish tommorrow.

[Foundryrat]

Foundryrat wrote:
> i have a one gallon setup. Nothing spectacular but it's all i'm
> allowed. So i got a one gallon aquarium. Set it up last saturday
> bought a fantail and plecostymous. I didn't wait the full 48 hours for
> the water to aerate. Although i did by water neutralyzer. after first
> few days though both fish seem to acclymate.
>
> Today was day five plescostymous still healthy. Looking at the fantail
> before work there just wasn't much life to it. It was alive not on the
> side but just moving oh so slowly. Almost looked as though it had
> battle wounds from poky plastic plant in aquarium. My theory is the fish
> bludgeoned itself to death with poky plastic in aquarium
>
> Well i got out of work tonight fantail was dead no life at all. wasn't
> even dying, it was dead.
>
> Any advice on my next fish. Anyone have fish bludgeon themselves to
> death? Would that be a recurring problem?
>
> Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to get a fish tommorrow.
i did stick hand in aquarium to try to adjust
plant and get more rocks under the poky plastic
roots of the plant. Probably not a good idea. DO
i need to put new water in aquarium, and if so i
need my plecostymous to survive. I cannot have
anymore death in my aquarium, just life!

[Foundryrat]

Foundryrat wrote:
> Foundryrat wrote:
>
>> i have a one gallon setup. Nothing spectacular but it's all i'm
>> allowed. So i got a one gallon aquarium. Set it up last saturday
>> bought a fantail and plecostymous. I didn't wait the full 48 hours
>> for the water to aerate. Although i did by water neutralyzer. after
>> first few days though both fish seem to acclymate.
>>
>> Today was day five plescostymous still healthy. Looking at the fantail
>> before work there just wasn't much life to it. It was alive not on
>> the side but just moving oh so slowly. Almost looked as though it had
>> battle wounds from poky plastic plant in aquarium. My theory is the
>> fish bludgeoned itself to death with poky plastic in aquarium
>>
>> Well i got out of work tonight fantail was dead no life at all.
>> wasn't even dying, it was dead.
>>
>> Any advice on my next fish. Anyone have fish bludgeon themselves to
>> death? Would that be a recurring problem?
>>
>> Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to get a fish tommorrow.
>
> i did stick hand in aquarium to try to adjust plant and get more rocks
> under the poky plastic roots of the plant. Probably not a good idea.
> DO i need to put new water in aquarium, and if so i need my plecostymous
> to survive. I cannot have anymore death in my aquarium, just life!
so basically whatever i did wrong i wanna do right

[Foundryrat]

Foundryrat wrote:
> Foundryrat wrote:
>
>> i have a one gallon setup. Nothing spectacular but it's all i'm
>> allowed. So i got a one gallon aquarium. Set it up last saturday
>> bought a fantail and plecostymous. I didn't wait the full 48 hours
>> for the water to aerate. Although i did by water neutralyzer. after
>> first few days though both fish seem to acclymate.
>>
>> Today was day five plescostymous still healthy. Looking at the fantail
>> before work there just wasn't much life to it. It was alive not on
>> the side but just moving oh so slowly. Almost looked as though it had
>> battle wounds from poky plastic plant in aquarium. My theory is the
>> fish bludgeoned itself to death with poky plastic in aquarium
>>
>> Well i got out of work tonight fantail was dead no life at all.
>> wasn't even dying, it was dead.
>>
>> Any advice on my next fish. Anyone have fish bludgeon themselves to
>> death? Would that be a recurring problem?
>>
>> Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to get a fish tommorrow.
>
> i did stick hand in aquarium to try to adjust plant and get more rocks
> under the poky plastic roots of the plant. Probably not a good idea.
> DO i need to put new water in aquarium, and if so i need my plecostymous
> to survive. I cannot have anymore death in my aquarium, just life!
i know that wasn't the smartest thing to do but i
did it for the fish's safety. I was in a hurry
and got the feeling the fish was poking itself.

[Foundryrat]

Foundryrat wrote:
> i have a one gallon setup. Nothing spectacular but it's all i'm
> allowed. So i got a one gallon aquarium. Set it up last saturday
> bought a fantail and plecostymous. I didn't wait the full 48 hours for
> the water to aerate. Although i did by water neutralyzer. after first
> few days though both fish seem to acclymate.
>
> Today was day five plescostymous still healthy. Looking at the fantail
> before work there just wasn't much life to it. It was alive not on the
> side but just moving oh so slowly. Almost looked as though it had
> battle wounds from poky plastic plant in aquarium. My theory is the fish
> bludgeoned itself to death with poky plastic in aquarium
>
> Well i got out of work tonight fantail was dead no life at all. wasn't
> even dying, it was dead.
>
> Any advice on my next fish. Anyone have fish bludgeon themselves to
> death? Would that be a recurring problem?
>
> Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to get a fish tommorrow.
and how the heck you just feed one small fish?

[aussie bongo]

--
<(.¿.)>
> keeps my head spinning
> 17 different ways.
>
> Watch me thru a kalidescope,
> or even a looking glass
> the view may be distorted
> but you'll see i'm just an ass.



"Foundryrat" > wrote in message
...
> Foundryrat wrote:>> Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to
> get a fish tommorrow.
> and how the heck you just feed one small fish?


well you could give it a knife fork and plate,
hehehe heeeee

[Foundryrat]

aussie bongo wrote:
hehe some these folks aren't impressed with the
idea i only got a 1 gallon.

[Foundryrat]

Foundryrat wrote:
> i have a one gallon setup. Nothing spectacular but it's all i'm
> allowed. So i got a one gallon aquarium. Set it up last saturday
> bought a fantail and plecostymous. I didn't wait the full 48 hours for
> the water to aerate. Although i did by water neutralyzer. after first
> few days though both fish seem to acclymate.
>
> Today was day five plescostymous still healthy. Looking at the fantail
> before work there just wasn't much life to it. It was alive not on the
> side but just moving oh so slowly. Almost looked as though it had
> battle wounds from poky plastic plant in aquarium. My theory is the fish
> bludgeoned itself to death with poky plastic in aquarium
>
> Well i got out of work tonight fantail was dead no life at all. wasn't
> even dying, it was dead.
>
> Any advice on my next fish. Anyone have fish bludgeon themselves to
> death? Would that be a recurring problem?
>
> Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to get a fish tommorrow.
besides getting a bigger setup any advice hints on
making it work on what i got! would be
appreciated, cause obviously besides the fact i
have a small aquarium, I did something wrong.

[[email protected]]

http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/care/care1.htm#essentials
Check water parameters including ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, pH and temperature.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website.
I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan

[[email protected]]

never keep GF with other fish
minimum is 10 gallons per GF


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website.
I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan

[[email protected]]

wrong fish... get a betta.


Foundryrat > wrote:
>> Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to get a fish tommorrow.
>besides getting a bigger setup any advice hints on
>making it work on what i got! would be
>appreciated, cause obviously besides the fact i
>have a small aquarium, I did something wrong.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website.
I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan

[Foundryrat]

wrote:
> wrong fish... get a betta.
>
>
> Foundryrat > wrote:
>
>>>Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to get a fish tommorrow.
>>
>>besides getting a bigger setup any advice hints on
>>making it work on what i got! would be
>>appreciated, cause obviously besides the fact i
>>have a small aquarium, I did something wrong.
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
> http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
> sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website.
> I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan
i'll get a betta. Ok to match with a plecostymous
right??

[Koi-Lo]

"Foundryrat" > wrote in message
...
>i have a one gallon setup. Nothing spectacular but it's all i'm allowed.
>So i got a one gallon aquarium. Set it up last saturday bought a fantail
>and plecostymous. I didn't wait the full 48 hours for the water to aerate.
>Although i did by water neutralyzer. after first few days though both fish
>seem to acclymate.

Did you do your ammonia tests? By day 7 the ammonia could be sky-high and
deadly. A pleco grows to 18" long and GF can reach almost a foot long. You
can't keep these fish in a 1g tank. The pet shop should have told you this.

> Today was day five plescostymous still healthy. Looking at the fantail
> before work there just wasn't much life to it. It was alive not on the
> side but just moving oh so slowly. Almost looked as though it had battle
> wounds from poky plastic plant in aquarium. My theory is the fish
> bludgeoned itself to death with poky plastic in aquarium

I doubt that's what did the damage to it. What is the ammonia reading?

> Well i got out of work tonight fantail was dead no life at all. wasn't
> even dying, it was dead.

Ammonia and PH were?

> Any advice on my next fish. Anyone have fish bludgeon themselves to
> death? Would that be a recurring problem?

That doesn't happen. The tank is way too small for a GF. The plec may have
done the damage as some of them go after other fishes slimecoats for the
protein. I think you need to Google both GF and Plecos.

> Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to get a fish tommorrow.

Get rid of the pleco and get a betta or a few male guppies. Is this 1g tank
at least filtered and aerated? Do some reading before you purchase anything
else would be the best advice anyone can give you at this point.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Koi-Lo]

"Foundryrat" > wrote in message
...
>> Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to get a fish tommorrow.
> i did stick hand in aquarium to try to adjust plant and get more rocks
> under the poky plastic roots of the plant. Probably not a good idea. DO
> i need to put new water in aquarium, and if so i need my plecostymous to
> survive. I cannot have anymore death in my aquarium, just life!
====================
Bet bet is to Google Aquarium+keeping goldfish+keeping and
plecostymous+size+keeping. What is the PH and ammonia level?
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Koi-Lo]

"Foundryrat" > wrote in message
...
> i'll get a betta. Ok to match with a plecostymous right??
=========
Return the pleco until you can afford at least a 30Long tank. Google is
your friend.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Foundryrat]

Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> "Foundryrat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> aussie bongo wrote:
>> hehe some these folks aren't impressed with the idea i only got a 1
>> gallon.
>
> =============
> If you want to keep a betta then we're impressed. :-)
i already got the plecostymous. I don't know i
gotta research it and figure it out.

[Foundryrat]

Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> "Foundryrat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> i'll get a betta. Ok to match with a plecostymous right??
>
> =========
> Return the pleco until you can afford at least a 30Long tank. Google is
> your friend.
ahh it's not that i can't afford an aquarium i'm
just not allowed anything bigger then 1 gallon.

[Foundryrat]

Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> "Foundryrat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> i have a one gallon setup. Nothing spectacular but it's all i'm
>> allowed. So i got a one gallon aquarium. Set it up last saturday
>> bought a fantail and plecostymous. I didn't wait the full 48 hours
>> for the water to aerate. Although i did by water neutralyzer. after
>> first few days though both fish seem to acclymate.
>
>
> Did you do your ammonia tests? By day 7 the ammonia could be sky-high
> and deadly. A pleco grows to 18" long and GF can reach almost a foot
> long. You can't keep these fish in a 1g tank. The pet shop should have
> told you this.
>
>> Today was day five plescostymous still healthy. Looking at the fantail
>> before work there just wasn't much life to it. It was alive not on
>> the side but just moving oh so slowly. Almost looked as though it had
>> battle wounds from poky plastic plant in aquarium. My theory is the
>> fish bludgeoned itself to death with poky plastic in aquarium
>
>
> I doubt that's what did the damage to it. What is the ammonia reading?
>
>> Well i got out of work tonight fantail was dead no life at all.
>> wasn't even dying, it was dead.
>
>
> Ammonia and PH were?
>
>> Any advice on my next fish. Anyone have fish bludgeon themselves to
>> death? Would that be a recurring problem?
>
>
> That doesn't happen. The tank is way too small for a GF. The plec may
> have done the damage as some of them go after other fishes slimecoats
> for the protein. I think you need to Google both GF and Plecos.
>
>> Any comments appreciated as i don't know whether to get a fish tommorrow.
>
>
> Get rid of the pleco and get a betta or a few male guppies. Is this 1g
> tank at least filtered and aerated? Do some reading before you purchase
> anything else would be the best advice anyone can give you at this point.
The walmart folks said the one gallone be fine.
Yes the filter is filtered and aerated (has the
bubbly things)

[Koi-Lo]

"Foundryrat" > wrote in message
...
> Koi-Lo wrote:
>> If you want to keep a betta then we're impressed. :-)
> i already got the plecostymous. I don't know i gotta research it and
> figure it out.
===============
The pleco needs at the least a 30g long tank as they grow rapidly and can
reach 18 inches long.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Koi-Lo]

"Foundryrat" > wrote in message
...
> Koi-Lo wrote:
>> Get rid of the pleco and get a betta or a few male guppies. Is this 1g
>> tank at least filtered and aerated? Do some reading before you purchase
>> anything else would be the best advice anyone can give you at this point.

> The walmart folks said the one gallone be fine.
==============
Yes, it is FINE for one betta or 2 or 3 male guppies. The people at
Wal*Mart don't know anything about fish. Would you ask a spoon collector
about an infected wart on your finger? Same difference.

> Yes the filter is filtered and aerated (has the bubbly things)

Great, now either use Yahoo or Google and search out all the information you
need.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Foundryrat]

Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> "Foundryrat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Koi-Lo wrote:
>>
>>> Get rid of the pleco and get a betta or a few male guppies. Is this
>>> 1g tank at least filtered and aerated? Do some reading before you
>>> purchase anything else would be the best advice anyone can give you
>>> at this point.
>
>
>> The walmart folks said the one gallone be fine.
>
> ==============
> Yes, it is FINE for one betta or 2 or 3 male guppies. The people at
> Wal*Mart don't know anything about fish. Would you ask a spoon
> collector about an infected wart on your finger? Same difference.
>
>> Yes the filter is filtered and aerated (has the bubbly things)
>
>
> Great, now either use Yahoo or Google and search out all the information
> you need.
will do thanks again. I'll feel better returning
the plecostymous and trying this again (with a
betta!) or few guppies, after i do more research.
I thought i had the right idea, and didn't do
any extrra research cause i thought i had the
basics. Boy was i wrong. There just fish but i
do not promote death, and i was pretty hard on
myself for virtually killing the fish, as i should be.

As for the fish looking like it was being
attacked. At first i thought it was plastic
pokies in the aquarium, may the plecostymous did
the damage.

Who knows, but i'm returning the plec today and
emptying my aquarium out, and do nothing with it
until i do my research and do it right the next
time around.

Instead of walmart i'll probably go to pets plus.

rat.

[Koi-Lo]

"Foundryrat" > wrote in message
...
> I thought i had the right idea, and didn't do any extrra research cause i
> thought i had the basics. Boy was i wrong.

We all had to learn. :-) No one is born with the knowledge of fishkeeping.

There just fish but i
> do not promote death, and i was pretty hard on myself for virtually
> killing the fish, as i should be.

You didn't know. You didn't harm it on purpose.

> As for the fish looking like it was being attacked. At first i thought it
> was plastic pokies in the aquarium, may the plecostymous did the damage.

Yes, some plecos will harm their tankmates. A 1g is much too small for a
pleco.
>
> Who knows, but i'm returning the plec today and emptying my aquarium out,
> and do nothing with it until i do my research and do it right the next
> time around.

That is the smartest thing to do.

> Instead of walmart i'll probably go to pets plus.

Yes, but even there don't depend on the people knowing much more than those
at Wal*Mart. Some pet shops hire anything that comes in the door and other
shops do hire people with some knowledge. Bone up on fish before you go.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Foundryrat]

iKoi-Lo wrote:
>
> "Foundryrat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I thought i had the right idea, and didn't do any extrra research
>> cause i thought i had the basics. Boy was i wrong.
>
>
> We all had to learn. :-) No one is born with the knowledge of
> fishkeeping.
>
> There just fish but i
>
>> do not promote death, and i was pretty hard on myself for virtually
>> killing the fish, as i should be.
>
>
> You didn't know. You didn't harm it on purpose.
>
>> As for the fish looking like it was being attacked. At first i
>> thought it was plastic pokies in the aquarium, may the plecostymous
>> did the damage.
>
>
> Yes, some plecos will harm their tankmates. A 1g is much too small for
> a pleco.
>
>>
>> Who knows, but i'm returning the plec today and emptying my aquarium
>> out, and do nothing with it until i do my research and do it right the
>> next time around.
>
>
> That is the smartest thing to do.
>
>> Instead of walmart i'll probably go to pets plus.
>
>
> Yes, but even there don't depend on the people knowing much more than
> those at Wal*Mart. Some pet shops hire anything that comes in the door
> and other shops do hire people with some knowledge. Bone up on fish
> before you go.
i've been reading up on bettas. I think there the
way to go. And i never knew gravel was bad for
these fish!

[[email protected]]

take the pleco back. the tank is too small. Ingrid

Foundryrat > wrote:
>i'll get a betta. Ok to match with a plecostymous
>right??



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website.
I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan

[Koi-Lo]

"Foundryrat" > wrote in message
...
> i've been reading up on bettas. I think there the way to go. And i never
> knew gravel was bad for these fish!
===========
Gravel is bad for what fish? I've used gravel in all my tanks since I was a
kid back in the 1950s. Gravel may be bad if it's filthy, deep and never
vacuumed or stirred. A bare tank is as unnatural and ugly as a tank can
get.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Foundryrat]

wrote:
> take the pleco back. the tank is too small. Ingrid
>
> Foundryrat > wrote:
>
>>i'll get a betta. Ok to match with a plecostymous
>>right??
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at
> http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
> sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website.
> I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan
i took the pleco back. I cleaned out the
aquarium. I've been reading up on betta, got the
basics down, going to read more. Maybe in a week
or two i'll reset the aquarium and get me one
healthy betta.

Rat.

[Foundryrat]

Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> "Foundryrat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> i've been reading up on bettas. I think there the way to go. And i
>> never knew gravel was bad for these fish!
>
> ===========
> Gravel is bad for what fish? I've used gravel in all my tanks since I
> was a kid back in the 1950s. Gravel may be bad if it's filthy, deep and
> never vacuumed or stirred. A bare tank is as unnatural and ugly as a
> tank can get.
how about marbles?