Frogs.... and noise

[Koi-Lo]

My desk is by an open window. The pond is no more than 15' from this
window. Noisy frogs? I'm glad this isn't my bedroom window. As much as I
like to hear them they can "get to me" after a few hours. Two of them out
there are quite loud and almost sound like screaming women.
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[~ janj]

>On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:50:48 -0500, "Koi-Lo" > wrote:

>My desk is by an open window. The pond is no more than 15' from this
>window. Noisy frogs? I'm glad this isn't my bedroom window. As much as I
>like to hear them they can "get to me" after a few hours. Two of them out
>there are quite loud and almost sound like screaming women.

The ones here sound very much like crickets in slow-motion, they can be
loud. My frog-hating neighbors have complained enough times now, that I go
out each night and catch as many as I can. 7 tonight, 26 total.
Unfortunately this year it isn't making much of a dent. Tonight I thought I
had them all, and was surprised 30 minutes later to hear more frogs, almost
as loud.

And what will this come down to? Well, if the city gets involved I could
have to fill in my pond. So I'm planning to put the goldfish back in the
pond this weekend. I'll remove some eggs, to grow else where, but it looks
like I'll need to stop this hobby until these freak-of-nature neighbors (or
myself) move..... ~ jan


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you need a barrier of some kind to keep em out of the pond in spring. Ingrid

~ janj > wrote:
>And what will this come down to? Well, if the city gets involved I could
>have to fill in my pond. So I'm planning to put the goldfish back in the
>pond this weekend. I'll remove some eggs, to grow else where, but it looks
>like I'll need to stop this hobby until these freak-of-nature neighbors (or
>myself) move..... ~ jan


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[Gill Passman]

~ janj wrote:
>>On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:50:48 -0500, "Koi-Lo" > wrote:
>
>
>>My desk is by an open window. The pond is no more than 15' from this
>>window. Noisy frogs? I'm glad this isn't my bedroom window. As much as I
>>like to hear them they can "get to me" after a few hours. Two of them out
>>there are quite loud and almost sound like screaming women.
>
>
> The ones here sound very much like crickets in slow-motion, they can be
> loud. My frog-hating neighbors have complained enough times now, that I go
> out each night and catch as many as I can. 7 tonight, 26 total.
> Unfortunately this year it isn't making much of a dent. Tonight I thought I
> had them all, and was surprised 30 minutes later to hear more frogs, almost
> as loud.
>
> And what will this come down to? Well, if the city gets involved I could
> have to fill in my pond. So I'm planning to put the goldfish back in the
> pond this weekend. I'll remove some eggs, to grow else where, but it looks
> like I'll need to stop this hobby until these freak-of-nature neighbors (or
> myself) move..... ~ jan
>
>
> -----------------
> (Do you know where your water quality is?)

It would be a shame if it came to you having to fill in the
pond(s)....are you sure someone isn't adding them back in? Do you get on
OK with this neighbour in general? Maybe it would be worth a chat...

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Desk....
open window....

very interesting...

15' from your window...

watch how she will call the imaginary police now.

hey Carol... boo



Koi-Lo wrote:
> My desk is by an open window. The pond is no more than 15' from this
> window. Noisy frogs? I'm glad this isn't my bedroom window. As much as I
> like to hear them they can "get to me" after a few hours. Two of them out
> there are quite loud and almost sound like screaming women.
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> Aquariums since 1952.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the pond & aquaria Groups.*
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[Roy]

Good one............I bet its a real bitch to go through life being
so paranoid as Carol is.

On 14 Apr 2006 06:23:26 -0700, wrote:
>><>Desk....
>><>open window....
>><>
>><>very interesting...
>><>
>><>15' from your window...
>><>
>><>watch how she will call the imaginary police now.
>><>
>><>hey Carol... boo
>><>
>><>
>><>
>><>Koi-Lo wrote:
>><>> My desk is by an open window. The pond is no more than 15' from this
>><>> window. Noisy frogs? I'm glad this isn't my bedroom window. As much as I
>><>> like to hear them they can "get to me" after a few hours. Two of them out
>><>> there are quite loud and almost sound like screaming women.
>><>> --
>><>> Koi-Lo....
>><>> Frugal ponding since 1995.
>><>> Aquariums since 1952.
>><>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>><>> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>><>> *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the pond & aquaria Groups.*
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[~ janj]

>It would be a shame if it came to you having to fill in the
>pond(s)....are you sure someone isn't adding them back in?

Quite sure.

> Do you get on OK with this neighbour in general? Maybe it would be worth a chat...

Did, and have had chats.

People talk a good game about saving nature, I didn't realize it too was
"not in my backyard". <hrrumpt!> ~ jan

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[Koi-Lo]

"~ janj" > wrote in message
...
> >On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:50:48 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
> >wrote:
>
>>My desk is by an open window. The pond is no more than 15' from this
>>window. Noisy frogs? I'm glad this isn't my bedroom window. As much as
>>I
>>like to hear them they can "get to me" after a few hours. Two of them out
>>there are quite loud and almost sound like screaming women.
>
> The ones here sound very much like crickets in slow-motion, they can be
> loud. My frog-hating neighbors have complained enough times now, that I go
> out each night and catch as many as I can. 7 tonight, 26 total.

The number of frogs in your pond is awfully high. Where do they all come
from since you are obviously in a subdivision? We live in a rural area and
don't get anywhere near that many. The bullfrogs were relocated as I would
catch them so their numbers are dropping these past few years. The small
green-gray tree frogs are most numerous but not that loud. Then there are
these small green frogs that are almost impossible to find as they hide so
well - and shriek long and loud. Now they would irritate the most devout
frog fancier after a few hours. All in all we have several types of frog
here and all have a different "song." Most are not irritating at all. By 2
AM all is quiet out there. We do have neighbors but they're not that close.
The one woman (they moved a few years ago) said they could hear our frogs
but they were too far to be annoying or keep them awake. The new family
there are putting in a small 100g pond of their own.

> Unfortunately this year it isn't making much of a dent. Tonight I thought
> I
> had them all, and was surprised 30 minutes later to hear more frogs,
> almost
> as loud.

This must be very frustrating for you. You can't remove them all as there's
a source somewhere repopulating your pond. :-(

> And what will this come down to? Well, if the city gets involved I could
> have to fill in my pond. So I'm planning to put the goldfish back in the
> pond this weekend. I'll remove some eggs, to grow else where, but it looks
> like I'll need to stop this hobby until these freak-of-nature neighbors
> (or
> myself) move..... ~ jan

I hope you can cut the population as we did with the bullfrogs. Keep
relocating the eggs and adults and any pollywogs (yes I would net any eggs
and tads and take them to the nearby lake). It may help.

That's why we sold the house in town and moved out here. There were too
many rules and regulations in town. One day you realize you're more like a
renter than a property owner. Out here they leave you alone........
--
Koi-Lo....
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Aquariums since 1952.
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Koi-Lo]

> wrote in message
...
> you need a barrier of some kind to keep em out of the pond in spring.
> Ingrid
>
=====================
A fine bird net would work but Jan doesn't want to net her pond.
--
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Mister Gardener]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:25:18 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> you need a barrier of some kind to keep em out of the pond in spring.
>> Ingrid
>>
>=====================
>A fine bird net would work but Jan doesn't want to net her pond.

In very recent years, I have noticed in the terrestrial gardening
literature a caution about using netting over garden beds, concern
over birds becoming entangled, I think. In some of the garden catalogs
I am beginning to read descriptions of "bird safe" netting. Bird
proofing my strawberries with bird safe netting sounds almost like an
oxymoron to me. I can understand the concern, what little I know of
it. Is there any mention of this kind of thinking in the pond
literature?

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[Koi-Lo]

"Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:25:18 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>> you need a barrier of some kind to keep em out of the pond in spring.
>>> Ingrid
>>>
>>=====================
>>A fine bird net would work but Jan doesn't want to net her pond.
>
> In very recent years, I have noticed in the terrestrial gardening
> literature a caution about using netting over garden beds, concern
> over birds becoming entangled, I think.

But I've read about them falling into ponds and drowning. I've seen small
birds eaten by bullfrogs when they came to drink from one of our ponds. The
nets stopped both ways birds lost their lives. We've had one goldfinch get
tangled and lose it's life so far, and several water snakes. Without the
nets I wouldn't be able to keep fish. Being I feed the birds all winter
long I'm sure I more than made up for that poor little finch.

In some of the garden catalogs
> I am beginning to read descriptions of "bird safe" netting. Bird
> proofing my strawberries with bird safe netting sounds almost like an
> oxymoron to me. I can understand the concern, what little I know of
> it. Is there any mention of this kind of thinking in the pond
> literature?

Not that I saw.
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[Koi-Lo]

> wrote in message
.net...
>I wish I had some frogs and toads. But I never get any.
>
================
You can often buy pollywogs in pet shops that sell pond supplies. That
should get you started. If your yard is suitable they may come back to
breed when mature.
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[Derek Broughton]

Koi-Lo wrote:

> But I've read about them falling into ponds and drowning.

I've had one sparrow drown in a pond (well, only one that I found - perhaps
the other wildlife has taken care of others). My fault - it was an old
bathtub, and it would be impossible to get out of before the parrot feather
grew up and over the edges. Once I made sure that there were always ways
to get out of the water, I never had another death that way.

> I've seen small birds eaten by bullfrogs

I'm not concerned about that - that's part of pond life - but it's a fair
concern for some.

> We've had one goldfinch get
> tangled and lose it's life so far, and several water snakes. Without the
> nets I wouldn't be able to keep fish. Being I feed the birds all winter
> long I'm sure I more than made up for that poor little finch.

I lose more birds than that on my windows every year, despite all we've done
to try to stop it. You can't eliminate all mortality :-(
--
derek

[~ janj]

>The number of frogs in your pond is awfully high. Where do they all come
>from since you are obviously in a subdivision?

The neighborhood use to be semi-rural, I'm in the city limits, but when we
moved here, 19 years ago, there was 10-20 acres of desert behind us. We
were in walking distance of orchards. I'm in walking distance of a large
natural preserve/delta river area. Many lined ponds around me also have
frogs, including the house behind me, unfortunately their pond is in front.
For 5-6 years the frogs have been welcome in my lily pond, so between
myself and neighbors, and just the general area, that's where they're all
coming from.

>I hope you can cut the population as we did with the bullfrogs. Keep
>relocating the eggs and adults and any pollywogs (yes I would net any eggs
>and tads and take them to the nearby lake). It may help.

In my case, I plan to move the eggs elsewhere, as I have some people
interested in tads/eggs, then put the goldfish back in. They will eat
anything new, or that I miss. Then I'll continue catching the males. What
will really sadden me? When I work it in the garden I almost always come
across one thru out the summer. Always made me smile.

>There were too many rules and regulations in town.

Generally I prefer the rules & regs. unfortunately some people don't
understand tolerance or compromise living near others... or it is a case
you tolerate us, but we're gonna give you heck if you bother us. ~ jan

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[~ janj]

As of tonight I am up to a total of 30 caught and removed. I'm thinking now
that I'll let the eggs mature in the pond, there are quite a few already.
I'll get frogs again next year, but next year, I'll lower the numbers
sooner and hope between now and then my neighbor gets transfer to Siberia.
>;-] ~ jan

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I have done bird netting with ornithologists and the essence of the bird net is soft
and suspended in sagging folds. they hit the net, fall and get tangled. a net that
is stiff and stretched will not catch a bird. I have had a couple mourning doves get
caught UNDER the net and cant get back out. how they find their way in is amazing to
me. Ingrid

Derek Broughton > wrote:
>I lose more birds than that on my windows every year, despite all we've done
>to try to stop it. You can't eliminate all mortality :-(



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[Koi-Lo]

"~ janj" > wrote in message
...
> As of tonight I am up to a total of 30 caught and removed. I'm thinking
> now
> that I'll let the eggs mature in the pond, there are quite a few already.
> I'll get frogs again next year, but next year, I'll lower the numbers
> sooner and hope between now and then my neighbor gets transfer to Siberia.
>>;-] ~ jan
>
> -----------------
> (Do you know where your water quality is?)
=====================
Or takes a long walk off a short pier...... ;-)
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[~ janj]

>> sooner and hope between now and then my neighbor gets transfer to Siberia.
>Or takes a long walk off a short pier...... ;-)

Naaa, that would be too kind. I want them to wish they could hear my frogs
announcing the arrival of spring. Siberia, Antarctica or Northern Alaska
ought to do it. ;o)

Last night I could hear only 2, so the party was pretty dull, with long
painful silences. Hopefully that will do. ~ jan

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[Gill Passman]

~ janj wrote:
>>>sooner and hope between now and then my neighbor gets transfer to Siberia.
>>
>>Or takes a long walk off a short pier...... ;-)
>
>
> Naaa, that would be too kind. I want them to wish they could hear my frogs
> announcing the arrival of spring. Siberia, Antarctica or Northern Alaska
> ought to do it. ;o)
>
> Last night I could hear only 2, so the party was pretty dull, with long
> painful silences. Hopefully that will do. ~ jan
>
> -----------------
> (Do you know where your water quality is?)

Naaa, you are being too kind here Jan...I would go for a game
reservation in East Africa...let them really hear the sounds of nature
for real plus being scared sh*tless as to what might come and nibble on
them in the night...frogs after that would be a dream...

[~ janj]

>Naaa, you are being too kind here Jan...I would go for a game
>reservation in East Africa...let them really hear the sounds of nature
>for real plus being scared sh*tless as to what might come and nibble on
>them in the night...frogs after that would be a dream...

Now that's just evil, I like it. ;o) ~ jan

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[Mister Gardener]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:33:10 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:

>
>"~ janj" > wrote in message
...
>> As of tonight I am up to a total of 30 caught and removed. I'm thinking
>> now
>> that I'll let the eggs mature in the pond, there are quite a few already.
>> I'll get frogs again next year, but next year, I'll lower the numbers
>> sooner and hope between now and then my neighbor gets transfer to Siberia.
>>>;-] ~ jan
>>
>> -----------------
>> (Do you know where your water quality is?)
>=====================
>Or takes a long walk off a short pier...... ;-)

the short pier ending in the middle of the pond, which has been
stocked with hundreds of REALLY BIG AND HUNGRY bull frogs.

-- Mister Gardener

[Gill Passman]

~ janj wrote:
>>Naaa, you are being too kind here Jan...I would go for a game
>>reservation in East Africa...let them really hear the sounds of nature
>>for real plus being scared sh*tless as to what might come and nibble on
>>them in the night...frogs after that would be a dream...
>
>
> Now that's just evil, I like it. ;o) ~ jan
>
> -----------------
> (Do you know where your water quality is?)


Anyone here ready to make contributions to send Jan's neighbours on a
holiday of a lifetime??? lol

[Mister Gardener]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:21:57 +0100, Gill Passman
> wrote:

>~ janj wrote:
>>>Naaa, you are being too kind here Jan...I would go for a game
>>>reservation in East Africa...let them really hear the sounds of nature
>>>for real plus being scared sh*tless as to what might come and nibble on
>>>them in the night...frogs after that would be a dream...
>>
>>
>> Now that's just evil, I like it. ;o) ~ jan
>>
>> -----------------
>> (Do you know where your water quality is?)
>
>
>Anyone here ready to make contributions to send Jan's neighbours on a
>holiday of a lifetime??? lol

I'll donate a fresh pair of clean underwear.

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