bloated fish - help

[Haymish Pupkin]

Hello

We have 2 bream in our pond. One of the bream has bloated up like a balloon
and his scales are all sticking out like a pine cone. He/she also points his
head down at a 45degree angle and stays in the same place for ages. His/her
tail looks a bit raggy too.

I was hoping someone might be able to diagnose the problem and suggest a
suitable treatment.



Other info which might help.

The fish are in the bottom pond of a three tier system so oxygen should be
OK. There is also a oxygen stone in the bottom pool. We have just given the
pond a spring clean and the fish do look livlier and happier.

We have the following other fish in the same pool.

3 golden orfe - looking fine.
3 Goldfish - looking fine
1 more bream - looks OK
2 Koi - look like the have a couple of patches of fungus on them

Also: 3-4 large frogs which have laid lots of frogs spawn.
There are also 4 pots of water lillies and a large clump of irisis.

We add water conditioner when we add tap water and somethimes a little pond
salt but apart from that don't do much to the pond.

The pond has a filtration sytem with a UV lamp which is more than adequate
for it's size.


Hope someone can help

Regards


Haymish

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"Haymish Pupkin" > wrote:

>Hello
>
>We have 2 bream in our pond. One of the bream has bloated up like a balloon
>and his scales are all sticking out like a pine cone. He/she also points his
>head down at a 45degree angle and stays in the same place for ages. His/her
>tail looks a bit raggy too.
>
>I was hoping someone might be able to diagnose the problem and suggest a
>suitable treatment.
>
>
>
>Other info which might help.
>
>The fish are in the bottom pond of a three tier system so oxygen should be
>OK. There is also a oxygen stone in the bottom pool. We have just given the
>pond a spring clean and the fish do look livlier and happier.
>
>We have the following other fish in the same pool.
>
>3 golden orfe - looking fine.
>3 Goldfish - looking fine
>1 more bream - looks OK
>2 Koi - look like the have a couple of patches of fungus on them
>
>Also: 3-4 large frogs which have laid lots of frogs spawn.
>There are also 4 pots of water lillies and a large clump of irisis.
>
>We add water conditioner when we add tap water and somethimes a little pond
>salt but apart from that don't do much to the pond.
>
>The pond has a filtration sytem with a UV lamp which is more than adequate
>for it's size.
>
>
>Hope someone can help
>
>Regards
>
>
>Haymish
>



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[cadnyc]

your fish defintely has dropsy. i sugguest feed it metro-meds from
goldfishconnection.com



> wrote in message
...
> http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/symptom/byname.htm#dropsy
>
> "Haymish Pupkin" > wrote:
>
>>Hello
>>
>>We have 2 bream in our pond. One of the bream has bloated up like a
>>balloon
>>and his scales are all sticking out like a pine cone. He/she also points
>>his
>>head down at a 45degree angle and stays in the same place for ages.
>>His/her
>>tail looks a bit raggy too.
>>
>>I was hoping someone might be able to diagnose the problem and suggest a
>>suitable treatment.
>>
>>
>>
>>Other info which might help.
>>
>>The fish are in the bottom pond of a three tier system so oxygen should be
>>OK. There is also a oxygen stone in the bottom pool. We have just given
>>the
>>pond a spring clean and the fish do look livlier and happier.
>>
>>We have the following other fish in the same pool.
>>
>>3 golden orfe - looking fine.
>>3 Goldfish - looking fine
>>1 more bream - looks OK
>>2 Koi - look like the have a couple of patches of fungus on them
>>
>>Also: 3-4 large frogs which have laid lots of frogs spawn.
>>There are also 4 pots of water lillies and a large clump of irisis.
>>
>>We add water conditioner when we add tap water and somethimes a little
>>pond
>>salt but apart from that don't do much to the pond.
>>
>>The pond has a filtration sytem with a UV lamp which is more than adequate
>>for it's size.
>>
>>
>>Hope someone can help
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>
>>Haymish
>>
>
>
>
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[Haymish Pupkin]

wrote:
> http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/symptom/byname.htm#dropsy
>
> "Haymish Pupkin" > wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> We have 2 bream in our pond. One of the bream has bloated up like a
>> balloon and his scales are all sticking out like a pine cone. He/she
>> also points his head down at a 45degree angle and stays in the same
>> place for ages. His/her tail looks a bit raggy too.
>>
>> I was hoping someone might be able to diagnose the problem and
>> suggest a suitable treatment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other info which might help.
>>
>> The fish are in the bottom pond of a three tier system so oxygen
>> should be OK. There is also a oxygen stone in the bottom pool. We
>> have just given the pond a spring clean and the fish do look livlier
>> and happier.
>>
>> We have the following other fish in the same pool.
>>
>> 3 golden orfe - looking fine.
>> 3 Goldfish - looking fine
>> 1 more bream - looks OK
>> 2 Koi - look like the have a couple of patches of fungus on them
>>
>> Also: 3-4 large frogs which have laid lots of frogs spawn.
>> There are also 4 pots of water lillies and a large clump of irisis.
>>
>> We add water conditioner when we add tap water and somethimes a
>> little pond salt but apart from that don't do much to the pond.
>>
>> The pond has a filtration sytem with a UV lamp which is more than
>> adequate for it's size.
>>
>>
>> Hope someone can help
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Haymish
>>
>
>
>
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Thanks

I think we need to put this fish to sleep. Is there a recommended way of
doing this? Isolating and then adding a chemical to put it to sleep without
pain? Don't want to throw it in the bin gasping for air?


Thanks

Pete

[netDenizen]

Haymish Pupkin wrote:

>
> I think we need to put this fish to sleep. Is there a recommended way of
> doing this? Isolating and then adding a chemical to put it to sleep without
> pain? Don't want to throw it in the bin gasping for air?
>


Here's a link on fish euthanasia:
http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/euthanasia.html .

With a big fish like goldfish, perhaps severing the spinal cord behind
the head with a sharp knife may be most humane (?) . That's what I did
with fish caught for the table...

[Haymish Pupkin]

cadnyc wrote:
> your fish defintely has dropsy. i sugguest feed it metro-meds from
> goldfishconnection.com
>
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/symptom/byname.htm#dropsy
>>
>> "Haymish Pupkin" > wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> We have 2 bream in our pond. One of the bream has bloated up like a
>>> balloon
>>> and his scales are all sticking out like a pine cone. He/she also
>>> points his
>>> head down at a 45degree angle and stays in the same place for ages.
>>> His/her
>>> tail looks a bit raggy too.
>>>
>>> I was hoping someone might be able to diagnose the problem and
>>> suggest a suitable treatment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Other info which might help.
>>>
>>> The fish are in the bottom pond of a three tier system so oxygen
>>> should be OK. There is also a oxygen stone in the bottom pool. We
>>> have just given the
>>> pond a spring clean and the fish do look livlier and happier.
>>>
>>> We have the following other fish in the same pool.
>>>
>>> 3 golden orfe - looking fine.
>>> 3 Goldfish - looking fine
>>> 1 more bream - looks OK
>>> 2 Koi - look like the have a couple of patches of fungus on them
>>>
>>> Also: 3-4 large frogs which have laid lots of frogs spawn.
>>> There are also 4 pots of water lillies and a large clump of irisis.
>>>
>>> We add water conditioner when we add tap water and somethimes a
>>> little pond
>>> salt but apart from that don't do much to the pond.
>>>
>>> The pond has a filtration sytem with a UV lamp which is more than
>>> adequate for it's size.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope someone can help
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Haymish
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Metro-meds sounds very interesting but I think from what I have read over
the last few days that this fish is way too far gone. Anyone know how long
will this stuff sit on the shelf before it goes off?

Thanks

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if it is too much trouble to treat the fish, then stick it a plastic bag in the
freezer. Ingrid


"Haymish Pupkin" > wrote:
>Metro-meds sounds very interesting but I think from what I have read over
>the last few days that this fish is way too far gone. Anyone know how long
>will this stuff sit on the shelf before it goes off?
>
>Thanks
>



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[Haymish Pupkin]

wrote:
> if it is too much trouble to treat the fish, then stick it a plastic
> bag in the freezer. Ingrid
>
>
> "Haymish Pupkin" > wrote:
>> Metro-meds sounds very interesting but I think from what I have read
>> over the last few days that this fish is way too far gone. Anyone
>> know how long will this stuff sit on the shelf before it goes off?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
>
>
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It's not that it's too much trouble it's just that the fish has been like
this for a long, long time and I personaly did not realise. Someone else
thought it was pregnant. I would treat it if I though it would do any good
but I honestly don't. It's hardly moving and looks like it's on its last
legs. I think it best to put a stop to it's suffering.

Pete