Bloated bream may need your help

[Haymish Pupkin]

Hello

We have 2 bream in our pond. One of the bream has bloated up like a balloon
and his scales are all sticking out like a pine cone. He/she also points his
head down at a 45degree angle and stays in the same place for ages. His/her
tail looks a bit raggy too.

I was hoping someone might be able to diagnose the problem and suggest a
suitable treatment.



Other info which might help.

The fish are in the bottom pond of a three tier system so oxygen should be
OK. There is also a oxygen stone in the bottom pool. We have just given the
pond a spring clean and the fish do look livlier and happier.

We have the following other fish in the same pool.

3 golden orfe - looking fine.
3 Goldfish - looking fine
1 more bream - looks OK
2 Koi - look like the have a couple of patches of fungus on them

Also: 3-4 large frogs which have laid lots of frogs spawn.
There are also 4 pots of water lillies and a large clump of irisis.

We add water conditioner when we add tap water and somethimes a little pond
salt but apart from that don't do much to the pond.

The pond has a filtration sytem with a UV lamp which is more than adequate
for it's size.


Hope someone can help

Regards


Haymish

[G Pearce]

Sounds like "Dropsy" to me - Go to www.koivet.com for a better diagnosis
Gale :~)
>
> We have 2 bream in our pond. One of the bream has bloated up like a
> balloon and his scales are all sticking out like a pine cone. He/she also
> points his head down at a 45degree angle and stays in the same place for
> ages. His/her tail looks a bit raggy too.
>
> I was hoping someone might be able to diagnose the problem and suggest a
> suitable treatment.
>
>
>
> Other info which might help.
>
> The fish are in the bottom pond of a three tier system so oxygen should be
> OK. There is also a oxygen stone in the bottom pool. We have just given
> the pond a spring clean and the fish do look livlier and happier.
>
> We have the following other fish in the same pool.
>
> 3 golden orfe - looking fine.
> 3 Goldfish - looking fine
> 1 more bream - looks OK
> 2 Koi - look like the have a couple of patches of fungus on them
>
> Also: 3-4 large frogs which have laid lots of frogs spawn.
> There are also 4 pots of water lillies and a large clump of irisis.
>
> We add water conditioner when we add tap water and somethimes a little
> pond salt but apart from that don't do much to the pond.
>
> The pond has a filtration sytem with a UV lamp which is more than adequate
> for it's size.
>
>
> Hope someone can help
>
> Regards
>
>
> Haymish
>
>
>
>
>
>

[~ janj]

>On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:18:13 GMT, "Haymish Pupkin" > wrote:

What Gale said. :) or go to Puregold website

>Other info which might help.
>
>The fish are in the bottom pond of a three tier system so oxygen should be
>OK. There is also a oxygen stone in the bottom pool. We have just given the
>pond a spring clean and the fish do look livlier and happier. Haymish

Since you just did a spring clean I highly suggest that you keep an eye on
your water quality. Ammonia, Nitrite, pH & KH. ~ jan

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[Haymish Pupkin]

G Pearce wrote:
> Sounds like "Dropsy" to me - Go to www.koivet.com for a better
> diagnosis Gale :~)
>>
>> We have 2 bream in our pond. One of the bream has bloated up like a
>> balloon and his scales are all sticking out like a pine cone. He/she
>> also points his head down at a 45degree angle and stays in the same
>> place for ages. His/her tail looks a bit raggy too.
>>
>> I was hoping someone might be able to diagnose the problem and
>> suggest a suitable treatment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other info which might help.
>>
>> The fish are in the bottom pond of a three tier system so oxygen
>> should be OK. There is also a oxygen stone in the bottom pool. We
>> have just given the pond a spring clean and the fish do look livlier
>> and happier. We have the following other fish in the same pool.
>>
>> 3 golden orfe - looking fine.
>> 3 Goldfish - looking fine
>> 1 more bream - looks OK
>> 2 Koi - look like the have a couple of patches of fungus on them
>>
>> Also: 3-4 large frogs which have laid lots of frogs spawn.
>> There are also 4 pots of water lillies and a large clump of irisis.
>>
>> We add water conditioner when we add tap water and somethimes a
>> little pond salt but apart from that don't do much to the pond.
>>
>> The pond has a filtration sytem with a UV lamp which is more than
>> adequate for it's size.
>>
>>
>> Hope someone can help
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Haymish

I think we need to put this fish to sleep. Is there a recommended way of
doing this? Isolating and then adding a chemical to put it to sleep without
pain? Don't want to throw it in the bin gasping for air?


Thanks

Haymish

[~ janj]

>I think we need to put this fish to sleep. Is there a recommended way of
>doing this? Isolating and then adding a chemical to put it to sleep without
>pain? Don't want to throw it in the bin gasping for air?
>Haymish

There is Finquel, Clove of Oil, or bagging and freezing. Personally, if the
fish is large enough, I think the quickest dead is to whack them on the
head like a trout (if you're experienced at doing this). ~ jan
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[Mister Gardener]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:40:05 -0700, ~ janj >
wrote:

>>I think we need to put this fish to sleep. Is there a recommended way of
>>doing this? Isolating and then adding a chemical to put it to sleep without
>>pain? Don't want to throw it in the bin gasping for air?
>>Haymish
>
>There is Finquel, Clove of Oil, or bagging and freezing. Personally, if the
>fish is large enough, I think the quickest dead is to whack them on the
>head like a trout (if you're experienced at doing this). ~ jan
>--------------
One of my aquarium books recommends throwing the fish forcefully on
the floor. I guess you need to hope and pray that the first hit does
the job. Can't remember what book that was in, I remember that I was a
little surprised to find this advice in an otherwise well written
book.

-- Mister Gardener

[Gill Passman]

Mister Gardener wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:40:05 -0700, ~ janj >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>I think we need to put this fish to sleep. Is there a recommended way of
>>>doing this? Isolating and then adding a chemical to put it to sleep without
>>>pain? Don't want to throw it in the bin gasping for air?
>>>Haymish
>>
>>There is Finquel, Clove of Oil, or bagging and freezing. Personally, if the
>>fish is large enough, I think the quickest dead is to whack them on the
>>head like a trout (if you're experienced at doing this). ~ jan
>>--------------
>
> One of my aquarium books recommends throwing the fish forcefully on
> the floor. I guess you need to hope and pray that the first hit does
> the job. Can't remember what book that was in, I remember that I was a
> little surprised to find this advice in an otherwise well written
> book.
>
> -- Mister Gardener

A white spirit such as vodka or gin puts them to sleep quite effectively
and painlessly...but I would imagine the quantity required for a fish as
large as a bream would be very expensive....

[Koi-Lo]

"Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
...
> One of my aquarium books recommends throwing the fish forcefully on
> the floor. I guess you need to hope and pray that the first hit does
> the job. Can't remember what book that was in, I remember that I was a
> little surprised to find this advice in an otherwise well written
> book.
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That sounds sadistic when freezing or maybe beheading it would be quick and
sure. :-( I read about clove oil and alcohol mixed in their water is
painless as the fish just fall asleep and die.
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[Koi-Lo]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> A white spirit such as vodka or gin puts them to sleep quite effectively
> and painlessly...but I would imagine the quantity required for a fish as
> large as a bream would be very expensive....
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I think it's supposed to be diluted in water.
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[Gill Passman]

Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> A white spirit such as vodka or gin puts them to sleep quite
>> effectively and painlessly...but I would imagine the quantity required
>> for a fish as large as a bream would be very expensive....
>
> =====================
> I think it's supposed to be diluted in water.

Thanks for that...a white spirit such as Vodka or Gin gradually dripped
into a container holding the fish and water.....the amount depends on
the volume of water you have in the container....

[Gill Passman]

Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> "Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> One of my aquarium books recommends throwing the fish forcefully on
>> the floor. I guess you need to hope and pray that the first hit does
>> the job. Can't remember what book that was in, I remember that I was a
>> little surprised to find this advice in an otherwise well written
>> book.
>
> =================
> That sounds sadistic when freezing or maybe beheading it would be quick
> and sure. :-( I read about clove oil and alcohol mixed in their water
> is painless as the fish just fall asleep and die.

Not necessarily - it would be similar to a large blow on the head....I
would imagine with a large enough fish it would be quick and painless
but not an option I would chose....I prefer the mixing of alcohol in
with the water....I would also try clove oil if I could remember to buy
it whenever I pass a chemist/health food shop....I could never do the
beheading bit....I've read that freezing is also quite a nasty way to go....

Gill

[Koi-Lo]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Not necessarily - it would be similar to a large blow on the head....I
> would imagine with a large enough fish it would be quick and painless but
> not an option I would chose....I prefer the mixing of alcohol in with the
> water....I would also try clove oil if I could remember to buy it whenever
> I pass a chemist/health food shop....I could never do the beheading
> bit....I've read that freezing is also quite a nasty way to go....
========================
The differences of opinion out there on the net are amazing! :-) That's
why I have the small tank where they can pass away naturally in a pleasant
environment. I wont kill them because I have no way to judge what is and
isn't painless for them.
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[~ janj]

>There is Finquel, Clove of Oil, or bagging and freezing. Personally, if the
>fish is large enough, I think the quickest dead is to whack them on the
>head like a trout (if you're experienced at doing this). ~ jan
>--------------
I just have to fix this. That's Oil of Clove and quickest death.

So much for my proof reading skills. ;o) ~ jan

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[~ janj]

>The differences of opinion out there on the net are amazing! :-) That's
>why I have the small tank where they can pass away naturally in a pleasant
>environment. I wont kill them because I have no way to judge what is and
>isn't painless for them.

I'm sure if they're sick/dying they aren't happy/comfortable isolated in a
small tank. If one wants painless, buy some Finquel. That is what we use to
sedate and do surgery on fish. ~ jan

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(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Gill Passman]

~ janj wrote:
>>The differences of opinion out there on the net are amazing! :-) That's
>>why I have the small tank where they can pass away naturally in a pleasant
>>environment. I wont kill them because I have no way to judge what is and
>>isn't painless for them.
>
>
> I'm sure if they're sick/dying they aren't happy/comfortable isolated in a
> small tank. If one wants painless, buy some Finquel. That is what we use to
> sedate and do surgery on fish. ~ jan
>
> -----------------
> (Do you know where your water quality is?)

I would guess that depends on the size of the fish....with smaller fish
I have been known to put them in a tank on their own and let them drift
off quietly....if they are very distressed I do the alcohol thing...and
sometimes I just leave them in situ....

Gill

[Haymish Pupkin]

~ janj wrote:
>> There is Finquel, Clove of Oil, or bagging and freezing. Personally,
>> if the fish is large enough, I think the quickest dead is to whack
>> them on the head like a trout (if you're experienced at doing this).
>> ~ jan --------------
> I just have to fix this. That's Oil of Clove and quickest death.
>
> So much for my proof reading skills. ;o) ~ jan
>
> -----------------
> (Do you know where your water quality is?)


Thanks for all the help.

Think we have some Oil of Clove anyway.

Pete

[Koi-Lo]

"~ janj" > wrote in message
...
> >The differences of opinion out there on the net are amazing! :-) That's
>>why I have the small tank where they can pass away naturally in a pleasant
>>environment. I wont kill them because I have no way to judge what is and
>>isn't painless for them.
>
> I'm sure if they're sick/dying they aren't happy/comfortable isolated in a
> small tank.

By the time a fish goes into that tank it's beyond caring I'm sure.

If one wants painless, buy some Finquel. That is what we use to
> sedate and do surgery on fish. ~ jan

I don't have enough fish die to buy a product to euthanize them. When one
dies I usually just find it dead with no lingering.
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