Buildt a cave

[McEve]

hi all,

It's been two days since I put in my home made cave. now I'm worried.... all
the snails died, (the small black pest snails I feed my Loaches). The water
parameters are:

GH 4
NO2 0
NO3 0
PH 6,4 (!)
KH 3

What should I do, if anything..?

Nina

[Dinky]

"McEve" > wrote in message
...
>
> hi all,
>
> It's been two days since I put in my home made cave. now I'm worried....
all
> the snails died, (the small black pest snails I feed my Loaches). The
water
> parameters are:
>
> GH 4
> NO2 0
> NO3 0
> PH 6,4 (!)
> KH 3
>
> What should I do, if anything..?
>
> Nina
>


Did you make the cave out of copper? <j/k> Seriously, what were your
materials for making the cave? Myself, I would remove it until I traced the
problem.

billy

[McEve]

"Dinky" > wrote in message
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> >
>
>
> Did you make the cave out of copper? <j/k> Seriously, what were your
> materials for making the cave? Myself, I would remove it until I traced
the
> problem.
>
> billy
>
>

The cave was made out of ceramic tiles, glued together with aquarium safe
silicon.

I might have panicked a bit early though, I did a water change of 25%, and
found lots of the snails are still alive. The fish seems ok too, but
still....

[CaptRon]

"McEve" > wrote in message
...
>
> I might have panicked a bit early though, I did a water change of 25%, and
> found lots of the snails are still alive. The fish seems ok too, but
> still....
>
>

darn! I was going to ask to borrow it for my snail problem!

dainerra

[McEve]

"CaptRon" > wrote in message
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>
> "McEve" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I might have panicked a bit early though, I did a water change of 25%,
and
> > found lots of the snails are still alive. The fish seems ok too, but
> > still....
> >
> >
>
> darn! I was going to ask to borrow it for my snail problem!
>
> dainerra
>
>

hehehe I *knew* somebody would say that :D

[RedForeman ©®]

"McEve" > wrote
> hi all,
>
> It's been two days since I put in my home made cave. now I'm worried....
all
> the snails died, (the small black pest snails I feed my Loaches). The
water
> parameters are:
>
> GH 4
> NO2 0
> NO3 0
> PH 6,4 (!)
> KH 3
>
> What should I do, if anything..?


Didn't you say it had cured for 40hrs?? that would be long enough to
cure.... I've done it with several peices and only waited 24-36hrs....

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[McEve]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> "McEve" > wrote
> > hi all,
> >
> > It's been two days since I put in my home made cave. now I'm worried....
> all
> > the snails died, (the small black pest snails I feed my Loaches). The
> water
> > parameters are:
> >
> > GH 4
> > NO2 0
> > NO3 0
> > PH 6,4 (!)
> > KH 3
> >
> > What should I do, if anything..?
>
>
> Didn't you say it had cured for 40hrs?? that would be long enough to
> cure.... I've done it with several peices and only waited 24-36hrs....
>
> --
> RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!!


Yes it did! I panicked... Things seems to be ok, lots of snails, and the
fish look ok. I'm just not sure I trust the silicon ... :/

If there is anthing left to leak into the water from the silicon, would
active choal bind the stuff?

[RedForeman ©®]

> Yes it did! I panicked... Things seems to be ok, lots of snails, and the
> fish look ok. I'm just not sure I trust the silicon ... :/
>
> If there is anthing left to leak into the water from the silicon, would
> active choal bind the stuff?

I'd pull it out, just in case... Maybe the outside of it, even cured,
allowed some yucky stuff thru, and maybe it wasn't totally cured....

I can't say with certainty that charcoal will pull it out, yet, it couldn't
hurt by any means...

--
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==========================
2003 TRX450ES
1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
1987 TRX250R (sold)
1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold)
1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold)
1995 TRX300ex (sold)
2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff*
'98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
==========================
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whichever is greater, for each violation."

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[NetMax]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> > Yes it did! I panicked... Things seems to be ok, lots of snails, and
the
> > fish look ok. I'm just not sure I trust the silicon ... :/
> >
> > If there is anthing left to leak into the water from the silicon,
would
> > active choal bind the stuff?
>
> I'd pull it out, just in case... Maybe the outside of it, even cured,
> allowed some yucky stuff thru, and maybe it wasn't totally cured....
>
> I can't say with certainty that charcoal will pull it out, yet, it
couldn't
> hurt by any means...
>
> --
> RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
streetfighter!!!

I think that activated carbon or charcoal (choal?) would remove any
lingering toxins, but it sounds like you are ok now. Water changes &
carbon will probably be your best tool.

I put together a DIY structure using lots of silicone
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_other_netmax_styro.htm . It takes a
few days for the silicone to cure, but then it's inert and safe for your
fish. I think you might do more harm by pulling the structure out, or by
being too aggressive with water changes (unless you have very high
quality water. Many across the pond don't.

NetMax

[McEve]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I think that activated carbon or charcoal (choal?) would remove any
> lingering toxins, but it sounds like you are ok now. Water changes &
> carbon will probably be your best tool.
>
> I put together a DIY structure using lots of silicone
> http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_other_netmax_styro.htm . It takes a
> few days for the silicone to cure, but then it's inert and safe for your
> fish. I think you might do more harm by pulling the structure out, or by
> being too aggressive with water changes (unless you have very high
> quality water. Many across the pond don't.
>
> NetMax
>
>

I think you're right NetMax, I noticed 3 dead snails next to eachother and
panicked. I just fed them, and they're out there fighting over the food as
usual, so I think they're alright.

I also think it would cause more stress to them if I pulled the cave out
now... I'll put som charcoal in the filter, and do 10% water changes daily
for to or three days and see how it goes. We have good water quality where I
live, so I think that should be ok.

Thanks for the link! I'll be better prepared next time - these panick
attacks takes it's toll on a poor woman LOL

Thanks again, I feel better now :)

[McEve]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> I think that activated carbon or charcoal (choal?) would remove any
> lingering toxins, but it sounds like you are ok now. Water changes &
> carbon will probably be your best tool.
>
> I put together a DIY structure using lots of silicone
> http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_other_netmax_styro.htm . It takes a
> few days for the silicone to cure, but then it's inert and safe for your
> fish. I think you might do more harm by pulling the structure out, or by
> being too aggressive with water changes (unless you have very high
> quality water. Many across the pond don't.
>
> NetMax
>
>

I just spent some time on your website NetMax. Whatyou do is nothing short
of fantastic! My compliments and admiration for your work :)

Just great! Awsome! Thanks for making all that information available!


Nina

[NetMax]

"McEve" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I think that activated carbon or charcoal (choal?) would remove any
> > lingering toxins, but it sounds like you are ok now. Water changes &
> > carbon will probably be your best tool.
> >
> > I put together a DIY structure using lots of silicone
> > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_other_netmax_styro.htm . It takes
a
> > few days for the silicone to cure, but then it's inert and safe for
your
> > fish. I think you might do more harm by pulling the structure out,
or by
> > being too aggressive with water changes (unless you have very high
> > quality water. Many across the pond don't.
> >
> > NetMax
> >
> >
>
> I just spent some time on your website NetMax. Whatyou do is nothing
short
> of fantastic! My compliments and admiration for your work :)
>
> Just great! Awsome! Thanks for making all that information available!
>
>
> Nina

Why thank you. It's actually Chuck's web site and he hosts my article.
Chuck has some very well written articles (mostly his own), so I was
quite honoured to have my own page on his site (my own web site is in a
constant state of disrepair). I thought sharing some of my experience
might help allay your worries a bit. I also manage about 110 tanks, but
none have Zebras at the moment. I keep trying to locate some L046s, but
all I find are poor imitators LDA018, L081 etc. You are very lucky.

NetMax

[Craig Williams]

Whats the website netmax?


"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
>
> "McEve" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "NetMax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I think that activated carbon or charcoal (choal?) would remove any
> > > lingering toxins, but it sounds like you are ok now. Water changes &
> > > carbon will probably be your best tool.
> > >
> > > I put together a DIY structure using lots of silicone
> > > http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_other_netmax_styro.htm . It takes
> a
> > > few days for the silicone to cure, but then it's inert and safe for
> your
> > > fish. I think you might do more harm by pulling the structure out,
> or by
> > > being too aggressive with water changes (unless you have very high
> > > quality water. Many across the pond don't.
> > >
> > > NetMax
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I just spent some time on your website NetMax. Whatyou do is nothing
> short
> > of fantastic! My compliments and admiration for your work :)
> >
> > Just great! Awsome! Thanks for making all that information available!
> >
> >
> > Nina
>
> Why thank you. It's actually Chuck's web site and he hosts my article.
> Chuck has some very well written articles (mostly his own), so I was
> quite honoured to have my own page on his site (my own web site is in a
> constant state of disrepair). I thought sharing some of my experience
> might help allay your worries a bit. I also manage about 110 tanks, but
> none have Zebras at the moment. I keep trying to locate some L046s, but
> all I find are poor imitators LDA018, L081 etc. You are very lucky.
>
> NetMax
>
>

[NetMax]

"Craig Williams" > wrote in message
.. .
> Whats the website netmax?

No way, it's a mess. One of my kids started it and.... you know how kids
are about finishing things. I did a little programming in my youth, so
maybe I'll pick up an HTML book, or is it XTML, java, flash (?) *agh*.

NetMax

[McEve]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> >
> > I just spent some time on your website NetMax. Whatyou do is nothing
> short
> > of fantastic! My compliments and admiration for your work :)
> >
> > Just great! Awsome! Thanks for making all that information available!
> >
> >
> > Nina
>
> Why thank you. It's actually Chuck's web site and he hosts my article.
> Chuck has some very well written articles (mostly his own), so I was
> quite honoured to have my own page on his site (my own web site is in a
> constant state of disrepair). I thought sharing some of my experience
> might help allay your worries a bit. I also manage about 110 tanks, but
> none have Zebras at the moment. I keep trying to locate some L046s, but
> all I find are poor imitators LDA018, L081 etc. You are very lucky.
>
> NetMax
>
>

ohhhh I though you were Chuck! well, that doesn't make your article any less
interesting! I'm already planning how to prepare the next fish tank using
your method to build a background and the ground structure. I believe I will
have to wait until we move to a house before getting a new tank though,
hubby says 4 tanks are enough in our apartment! Can you believe that :P

And yes, it did make me worry less, my babies are doing fine too :)

The Zebras must be vailable from somewhere though, as
www.mallespesialisten.com got hold of 35 of them in January. He still has
several of them left. (look under "Nettbutikken")

Nina

[NetMax]

"McEve" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >
<snip>
> >I keep trying to locate some L046s, but
> > all I find are poor imitators LDA018, L081 etc. You are very lucky.
> >
> > NetMax
> >
> >
>
> ohhhh I though you were Chuck! well, that doesn't make your article any
less
> interesting! I'm already planning how to prepare the next fish tank
using
> your method to build a background and the ground structure. I believe I
will
> have to wait until we move to a house before getting a new tank though,
> hubby says 4 tanks are enough in our apartment! Can you believe that :P

Only four? ;~) Oh well, this _is_ a sport of patience.

> And yes, it did make me worry less, my babies are doing fine too :)

good :o)

> The Zebras must be vailable from somewhere though, as
> www.mallespesialisten.com got hold of 35 of them in January. He still
has
> several of them left. (look under "Nettbutikken")

Occasionally a supplier gets some in, and then rather than risking
offending any of his customers, he will let everyone know so that we can
all get a few. If I wasn't on well-water, I'd probably be trying to
breed them myself.

cheers, and post or email if you have any questions on the
styro-structures.
NetMax

> Nina