What is it with fish?

[Beano]

Gees, so 1 week after saving my new albino red oscar from certain
death, now the tiger oscar is sulking, and went from 4 white spots
yesterday (which I treated) to so many spots today I can't count!!

I changed 1/3 of their water last night. They are in a 65 gal tank.
This morning when I saw he was worse, I put more malachite green in the
tank (full dose this time, as I usually only do half dose). Last night
they also got salt mixed in with the replacement 1/3 of water.

I also tried this morning, directly applying the malachite green to the
affected oscar, although this was with difficulty given he is getting
on to about 7 inches long and was threatening a drenching...

These guys keep my adrenalin pumping! I'm worried that all the salt
and malachite green is going to wipe out my filter bacteria too.

What to do? I have to go to work tonight and my worst fear is coming
home to a dead floater and a sick tankmate...

[Frank]

Beano wrote,
>went from 4 white spots
>yesterday (which I treated) to so many spots today I can't count!!
>I changed 1/3 of their water last night. They are in a 65 gal tank. ...

Large water changes will not help stop ich!

>I put more malachite green in the
>tank (full dose this time, as I usually only do half dose)...

So now you have a dose and a half of MG in the tank(?) Malachite Green
treats fungus, not parasites, and high levels of it will kill your
fish...

>I also tried this morning, directly applying the malachite green to the
affected oscar.....

The Ich parasite, once on the fish becomes encysted under the skin and
becomes impervious to treatment from outside the fishs body. Tetra
makes a medicated food for parasites which helps in treating. The
tank's water needs to be treated with an anti-parasite medication
containing Formalin. Rid-Ich or QuickCure both contain Formalin and
Malachite Green. The Formalin kills the free swimming ich parasite -
the MG keeps fungus from infecting the holes through the skin left by
the ich parasite as it leaves the fish to breed.......... Frank

[Beano]

Frank wrote:
> Beano wrote,
>> went from 4 white spots
>> yesterday (which I treated) to so many spots today I can't count!!
>> I changed 1/3 of their water last night. They are in a 65 gal tank. ...
>
> Large water changes will not help stop ich!
>
>> I put more malachite green in the
>> tank (full dose this time, as I usually only do half dose)...
>
> So now you have a dose and a half of MG in the tank(?) Malachite Green
> treats fungus, not parasites, and high levels of it will kill your
> fish...
>
>> I also tried this morning, directly applying the malachite green to the
> affected oscar.....
>
> The Ich parasite, once on the fish becomes encysted under the skin and
> becomes impervious to treatment from outside the fishs body. Tetra
> makes a medicated food for parasites which helps in treating. The
> tank's water needs to be treated with an anti-parasite medication
> containing Formalin. Rid-Ich or QuickCure both contain Formalin and
> Malachite Green. The Formalin kills the free swimming ich parasite -
> the MG keeps fungus from infecting the holes through the skin left by
> the ich parasite as it leaves the fish to breed.......... Frank
>

Well sorry, it's called aquaremedy which says on it suitable for fungus
and white spot disease. It happens to have malachite green in it,
that's why I called it that - didn't realise I had to be so specific.

Medicated food is going to do nothing since the fish doesn't eat at the
present time.

Thanks for your advice Frank, but everywhere I look for the treatment of
Ich, it says to do daily water changes along with salt and Ich
medication - 30% is an average water change for an oscar tank. So it
wasn't a particularly large change.

They've got a dose of Ich med, not 1.5 times dose. I calculated the
required amount to bring it up to a full dose, and I am aware that Ich
med kills fish, that's why I usually only half dose the tank, as a
precaution.

I'll post the progress.

[Nikki]

"Beano" > wrote in message
...
> Frank wrote:
>> Beano wrote,
>>> went from 4 white spots
>>> yesterday (which I treated) to so many spots today I can't count!!
>>> I changed 1/3 of their water last night. They are in a 65 gal tank. ...
>>
>> Large water changes will not help stop ich!
>>
>>> I put more malachite green in the
>>> tank (full dose this time, as I usually only do half dose)...
>>
>> So now you have a dose and a half of MG in the tank(?) Malachite Green
>> treats fungus, not parasites, and high levels of it will kill your
>> fish...
>>
>>> I also tried this morning, directly applying the malachite green to the
>> affected oscar.....
>>
>> The Ich parasite, once on the fish becomes encysted under the skin and
>> becomes impervious to treatment from outside the fishs body. Tetra
>> makes a medicated food for parasites which helps in treating. The
>> tank's water needs to be treated with an anti-parasite medication
>> containing Formalin. Rid-Ich or QuickCure both contain Formalin and
>> Malachite Green. The Formalin kills the free swimming ich parasite -
>> the MG keeps fungus from infecting the holes through the skin left by
>> the ich parasite as it leaves the fish to breed.......... Frank
>>
>
> Well sorry, it's called aquaremedy which says on it suitable for fungus
> and white spot disease. It happens to have malachite green in it, that's
> why I called it that - didn't realise I had to be so specific.
>
> Medicated food is going to do nothing since the fish doesn't eat at the
> present time.
>
> Thanks for your advice Frank, but everywhere I look for the treatment of
> Ich, it says to do daily water changes along with salt and Ich
> medication - 30% is an average water change for an oscar tank. So it
> wasn't a particularly large change.
>
> They've got a dose of Ich med, not 1.5 times dose. I calculated the
> required amount to bring it up to a full dose, and I am aware that Ich med
> kills fish, that's why I usually only half dose the tank, as a precaution.
>
> I'll post the progress.

I been dealing with a bit of ich myself in the last week, frustrating huh.
When I read what you wrote... I thought you said you had put a half dose
in.. then a full, just the way it sounded, no big deal.
I have been trying to treat with salt and heat, and they are cleaning up
well, and my female bettas had it pretty bad. I would worry a little about
the not eating because personally I think it weakens them a bit when they
are sick. What do you keep you temp on in the tank? Water changes don't get
rid of ich, but they don't hurt either if you got free ich in the rocks it
helps to get it out with the vac, the less in the tank the better I think.
be careful with using salt & ich treatment if you don't normally use salt,
it can be hard on the fish some times if they are not used to it to begin
with, and I think its been posted but if your using salt for the purpose of
getting rid of the ich it has to be at least 2 tsp per gallon to kill ich,
other wise just use the ich med and don't worry about salt, that is what I
should of done with my females. One other thing if the ich med you are using
says it cures ich in two days that is not true, you have to treat longer
then that, when i treated my male betta i treated every day while i seen
spots then every third day after that for 14 days, he has not got it back
again.
Just something I noticed a lot of new ich meds are starting to say after
treating with ich med.....use a fungus medication, thought that was
interesting.
Nik

[Beano]

Thanks Nikki,

Well he's still alive, still on the bottom still sulking. The spots
are disappearing though, but his orange spots and stripes are a bit
dull (can't expect too much from poor Buzz).

I've got the Ich med in and salt at 1 tsp per gal. The tank temp right
now is up at 27-28 degrees celcius (~81 degrees F). I usually keep it
around 24 when healthy with no problems. Buzz used to be sooo happy,
what a beautiful fish he is. Hope he makes it.

My Ich med doesn't say it cures in any time, it just says to treat
every 3 days until gone. Perhaps I should go for a more expensive
brand next time.

He may be improving a bit, he stirreda bit before and gave a little bit
of a swim, just to readjust himself I suspect, but that's better than
no movement.

Maybe I'm making it out to be more than it is, you probably know oscars
are huge drama queens. Sorry I post all my oscar stuff in here, but
the oscar group is like a ghost town. But I'm just not used to Buzz
sulking, when I first bought him home he only sulked for about 10
minutes and I managed to coax him out! My other oscars have sulked for
up to a week before when I first got them! He's amazing. Oh well I'll
stop gushing over him now.

[MEAlston]

I've heard that non-iodized salt can be used in fresh-water tanks in place
of sea-salt. Is this true ??

[Beano]

I think you can use any salt as long as it doesn't have the Anti-caking
agent in it. So table salt (the stuff for your food) is definitely a
no no. I've got sea salt flakes at the moment, I've heard of people
using rock salt too. And you can actually buy aquarium salt from the
LFS, but I think it's probably expensive, and probably only comes in
huge sacks!!

Just watch out for that anticaking agent, apparently very bad for the
fish. I'm not sure what the names of the agents are, or whether it
just says anticaking agent on the label, but check it out before you
stick it in your tank.

[Frank]

Beano wrote,
> but everywhere I look for the treatment of
Ich, it says to do daily water changes .........

That's so one doesn't overdose the medication. I found the best
treatment for ich is to treat the tank days 1, 4, 7, and 10, with a 20%
water change before each treatment.

>30% is an average water change for an oscar tank...

With an aged tank, a 30% water change would likewise change the TDS
(total dissolved solids) by 30%, which would change the waters osmotic
pressure 30%. A sudden change in osmotic pressure of more than 20 to
25% can cause gill damage and may kill the fish. If however, that
amount of the tanks water is changed weekly, there wouldn't be a
'build-up' of TDS, so a large water change wouldn't harm the fish. I
used to change 80% of my discus tank water 2 and 3 times a week, while
I know of a few friends tanks that only get 10% weekly water changes -
a 25% change would likely cause unrepairable gill damage.

>They've got a dose of Ich med, not 1.5 times dose. I calculated the
>required amount to bring it up to a full dose.....
>>I put more malachite green in the
>>tank (full dose this time, as I usually only do half dose)....

Like Nikki, I read it as if you dosed half dose the first time,
followed by a full dose - just didn't want you to overdose and slowly
kill your fish!

> didn't realise I had to be so specific...

Early diagnosis and accurate treatment makes all the difference in the
world.............. Frank

[Beano]

Sorry... My response was nasty - I was stressing about the fish. He's
perked up a bit now, but I think he's terrified of me at the moment and
he's only swimming about in the corner - he is holding himself off the
gravel though, with his side fins (what's the proper name for these?).
I'm either exaggerating their condition, or my fish are really tough,
because they both seemed to come back from the extreme! Anyway, I
think I'm on the verge of becoming like a crazy cat lady, excpet with
fish... I can see me in the future with a room full of tanks and many
more scattered all over the house...

[Koi-Lo]

"Beano" > wrote in message
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>I think you can use any salt as long as it doesn't have the Anti-caking
> agent in it. So table salt (the stuff for your food) is definitely a
> no no. I've got sea salt flakes at the moment, I've heard of people
> using rock salt too. And you can actually buy aquarium salt from the
> LFS, but I think it's probably expensive, and probably only comes in
> huge sacks!!

I've been using water-softening salt when salt was needed. It works well
and is dirt cheap. A small kitchen scale is needed as you can't spoon it.

> Just watch out for that anticaking agent, apparently very bad for the
> fish. I'm not sure what the names of the agents are, or whether it
> just says anticaking agent on the label, but check it out before you
> stick it in your tank.

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Aquariums since 1952.
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[Koi-Lo]

"Beano" > wrote in message
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Anyway, I
> think I'm on the verge of becoming like a crazy cat lady, excpet with
> fish... I can see me in the future with a room full of tanks and many
> more scattered all over the house...
============================
Then you came to the right place. We all fully understand the addiction.
;-) You'll find no cures but plenty of encouragement in your addiction
here.
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
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Koi-Lo wrote:

>
> "Beano" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> Anyway, I
>
>> think I'm on the verge of becoming like a crazy cat lady, excpet with
>> fish... I can see me in the future with a room full of tanks and many
>> more scattered all over the house...
>
> ============================
> Then you came to the right place. We all fully understand the
> addiction. ;-) You'll find no cures but plenty of encouragement in your
> addiction here.


i understand that feeling...i went from a 20 gallong to a 37 gallon to a
37 gallon and a 10 gallon...now i got a 75 gallon and i moved back to
the house i grew up in and now i got a 12x17 natural spring fed pond to
work with.

the pond is going to need some major help. all the walls are starting to
fall in since they are well over 75 yrs old...

its a good addiction... sure beats being drunk or stoned all the time lol

[Nikki]

"Beano" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thanks Nikki,
>
> Well he's still alive, still on the bottom still sulking. The spots
> are disappearing though, but his orange spots and stripes are a bit
> dull (can't expect too much from poor Buzz).
>
> I've got the Ich med in and salt at 1 tsp per gal. The tank temp right
> now is up at 27-28 degrees celcius (~81 degrees F). I usually keep it
> around 24 when healthy with no problems. Buzz used to be sooo happy,
> what a beautiful fish he is. Hope he makes it.
>
> My Ich med doesn't say it cures in any time, it just says to treat
> every 3 days until gone. Perhaps I should go for a more expensive
> brand next time.
>
> He may be improving a bit, he stirreda bit before and gave a little bit
> of a swim, just to readjust himself I suspect, but that's better than
> no movement.
>
> Maybe I'm making it out to be more than it is, you probably know oscars
> are huge drama queens. Sorry I post all my oscar stuff in here, but
> the oscar group is like a ghost town. But I'm just not used to Buzz
> sulking, when I first bought him home he only sulked for about 10
> minutes and I managed to coax him out! My other oscars have sulked for
> up to a week before when I first got them! He's amazing. Oh well I'll
> stop gushing over him now.
>

I had a Oscar well two for quite some time, and I know they are good for
drama, mine would sulk if I did not give him cheese curls, go figure, you
can imagine all the fish people who said oh don't feed him that, well he
lived a long life and ate them for years and loved them. if we ate them and
did not share he would bang off the glass...ugh I figured it was more
healthy to eat the cheese then get brain damage...
just watch him close, i dont know how much difference there is between
expensive and cheap ich treatments to be honest....
Nik

[Nikki]

"Beano" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I think you can use any salt as long as it doesn't have the Anti-caking
> agent in it. So table salt (the stuff for your food) is definitely a
> no no. I've got sea salt flakes at the moment, I've heard of people
> using rock salt too. And you can actually buy aquarium salt from the
> LFS, but I think it's probably expensive, and probably only comes in
> huge sacks!!
>
> Just watch out for that anticaking agent, apparently very bad for the
> fish. I'm not sure what the names of the agents are, or whether it
> just says anticaking agent on the label, but check it out before you
> stick it in your tank.
>
aquarium salt you can get in small box for about 3.99 should last a bit with
reg size tank, or bigger boxes if needed not to expensive.
nik

[Rick]

"Beano" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Sorry... My response was nasty - I was stressing about the fish. He's
> perked up a bit now, but I think he's terrified of me at the moment and
> he's only swimming about in the corner - he is holding himself off the
> gravel though, with his side fins (what's the proper name for these?).
> I'm either exaggerating their condition, or my fish are really tough,
> because they both seemed to come back from the extreme! Anyway, I
> think I'm on the verge of becoming like a crazy cat lady, excpet with
> fish... I can see me in the future with a room full of tanks and many
> more scattered all over the house...
>
I think we all get hit with that. I started with a 10g with turtles, the
turtles have since out grown the tank and live in a nearby pond with lots of
other turtles. Now I have a 125g, 90g, 60g, 29g, 20g, 2.5g, beta bowl (I
know,I know,I know), and a 160g pond on my back porch. I also have a pool
out back and a fountain in my front yard and live across the street from a
canal, you get the picture. We all get a little crazy. My wife will attest
to that.

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sew crazy wrote:
> snip>>... sure beats being drunk or stoned all the time lol
>
> Isnt getting drunk and stoned cheaper .....
>
>
it might be...but at least with fish and aquariums/ponds you remember
what you did the night before and dont wakeup with a nasty
hangover....or eat yourself out of house and home

[sew crazy]

> wrote in message
. ..
> sew crazy wrote:
>> snip>>... sure beats being drunk or stoned all the time lol
>>
>> Isnt getting drunk and stoned cheaper .....
> it might be...but at least with fish and aquariums/ponds you remember what
> you did the night before and dont wakeup with a nasty hangover....or eat
> yourself out of house and home

Have woken up with a nasty wet carpet .....
Sometimes i forget to switch something on like a filter ....
Goodness my oscar tank eats a fortune in food ...
the barb tank is not far behind ,,,
Then i must agree this is a stunning addiction ....

[Koi-Lo]

> wrote in message
. ..
> Koi-Lo wrote:
>> Then you came to the right place. We all fully understand the addiction.
>> ;-) You'll find no cures but plenty of encouragement in your addiction
>> here.
=======================
> i understand that feeling...i went from a 20 gallong to a 37 gallon to a
> 37 gallon and a 10 gallon...now i got a 75 gallon and i moved back to the
> house i grew up in and now i got a 12x17 natural spring fed pond to work
> with.

Get KOI!!!!

d is going to need some major help. all the walls are starting to
> fall in since they are well over 75 yrs old...

Oh no! If it can't be fixed you a can always remove the crumbling walls and
use a rubber liner in the hole.

> its a good addiction... sure beats being drunk or stoned all the time lol

You got that right! :-)

If I'm going to spend money it's going to be on something worthwhile like
another fancy goldfish, another water pump, another 500g outdoor
pool-pond,.... frozen Fish Yum Yums, a new filter.......
--
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Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
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Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>> Koi-Lo wrote:
>>
>>> Then you came to the right place. We all fully understand the
>>> addiction.
>>> ;-) You'll find no cures but plenty of encouragement in your addiction
>>> here.
>
> =======================
>
>> i understand that feeling...i went from a 20 gallong to a 37 gallon to a
>> 37 gallon and a 10 gallon...now i got a 75 gallon and i moved back to the
>> house i grew up in and now i got a 12x17 natural spring fed pond to work
>> with.
>
>
> Get KOI!!!!
>
> d is going to need some major help. all the walls are starting to
>
>> fall in since they are well over 75 yrs old...
>
>
> Oh no! If it can't be fixed you a can always remove the crumbling walls
> and
> use a rubber liner in the hole.
>
>> its a good addiction... sure beats being drunk or stoned all the time lol
>
>
> You got that right! :-)
>
> If I'm going to spend money it's going to be on something worthwhile like
> another fancy goldfish, another water pump, another 500g outdoor
> pool-pond,.... frozen Fish Yum Yums, a new filter.......

eventually I will get some koi for in there. but unfortunatly im pretty
certain that the pond is built over a natural spring so i cant rubber
line it. im going to have to dig it out and completly rebuild the walls.
ive talked to a few people about what to do and i think ive got a
plan. it just wont be cheap or easy... but i have to sell my other house
before i can do anything at all

the nice thing is the pond has a constent supply of fresh water and a
constent drain so it doesnt require ANY filtration. i need to snap some
pics of it

[Koi-Lo]

> wrote in message
. ..
> Koi-Lo wrote:
>> If I'm going to spend money it's going to be on something worthwhile like
>> another fancy goldfish, another water pump, another 500g outdoor
>> pool-pond,.... frozen Fish Yum Yums, a new filter.......


> eventually I will get some koi for in there. but unfortunatly im pretty
> certain that the pond is built over a natural spring so i cant rubber line
> it. im going to have to dig it out and completly rebuild the walls. ive
> talked to a few people about what to do and i think ive got a plan. it
> just wont be cheap or easy... but i have to sell my other house before i
> can do anything at all
>
> the nice thing is the pond has a constent supply of fresh water and a
> constent drain so it doesnt require ANY filtration. i need to snap some
> pics of it

=====================
I'd love something like that. I'm becoming the water companies favorite
customer. Water changes are one of the few things I don't enjoy doing
anymore. I think because I have so many aquariums and outdoor pools and
ponds. I'm now a week behind on water changes in my 55g tanks........
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
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[Koi-Lo]

"Rick" > wrote in message
.. .
> I think we all get hit with that. I started with a 10g with turtles, the
> turtles have since out grown the tank and live in a nearby pond with lots
> of
> other turtles. Now I have a 125g, 90g, 60g, 29g, 20g, 2.5g, beta bowl (I
> know,I know,I know), and a 160g pond on my back porch. I also have a pool
> out back and a fountain in my front yard and live across the street from a
> canal, you get the picture. We all get a little crazy. My wife will attest
> to that.
========================
My mother bought our first goldfish and a bowl. They promptly died. She
went back to the pet shop and bought a 2g metaframe tank. That was in 1952
when I was a kid. It had a SS frame and reflector. There was a bubble up
filter with angelhair, gray gravel and a few plants. She had guppies and
few snails in it. When we moved to a house when I was 11 I had my own room
so saved up my allowance and bought a 10g tank for my bedroom. I got
married and had the space so bought a 20Long, then a 30Long for tropicals
and fancy goldfish..... and had some 5s and 10s to do some betta breeding,
had loads of betta bowls and jars..... and it's been more and more tanks
ever since.

Right now I have two 55s set up, four 10s, six 1g betta tanks - that's
indoors. Outside I have 3 inground ponds. A 2000g of mixed koi, a 800g of
diamondscale koi, a 150g of Shubunkins and rosy reds, five 150g above ground
pools of goldfish, pond plants and fingerling koi and three (about) 680g
pools-tanks of shubunkins and assorted koi. Our place is turning into a
fish farm.
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Aquariums since 1952.
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Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>> Koi-Lo wrote:
>>
>>> If I'm going to spend money it's going to be on something worthwhile
>>> like
>>> another fancy goldfish, another water pump, another 500g outdoor
>>> pool-pond,.... frozen Fish Yum Yums, a new filter.......
>
>
>
>> eventually I will get some koi for in there. but unfortunatly im
>> pretty certain that the pond is built over a natural spring so i cant
>> rubber line it. im going to have to dig it out and completly rebuild
>> the walls. ive talked to a few people about what to do and i think ive
>> got a plan. it just wont be cheap or easy... but i have to sell my
>> other house before i can do anything at all
>>
>> the nice thing is the pond has a constent supply of fresh water and a
>> constent drain so it doesnt require ANY filtration. i need to snap
>> some pics of it
>
>
> =====================
> I'd love something like that. I'm becoming the water companies favorite
> customer. Water changes are one of the few things I don't enjoy doing
> anymore. I think because I have so many aquariums and outdoor pools
> and ponds. I'm now a week behind on water changes in my 55g tanks........


i snapped some pics of my currently defunked pond. its in bad need of
repair...know any good places to host them?

[Rick]

> wrote in message
. ..
> Koi-Lo wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>
>>> Koi-Lo wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I'm going to spend money it's going to be on something worthwhile
>>>> like
>>>> another fancy goldfish, another water pump, another 500g outdoor
>>>> pool-pond,.... frozen Fish Yum Yums, a new filter.......
>>
>>
>>
>>> eventually I will get some koi for in there. but unfortunatly im pretty
>>> certain that the pond is built over a natural spring so i cant rubber
>>> line it. im going to have to dig it out and completly rebuild the walls.
>>> ive talked to a few people about what to do and i think ive got a plan.
>>> it just wont be cheap or easy... but i have to sell my other house
>>> before i can do anything at all
>>>
>>> the nice thing is the pond has a constent supply of fresh water and a
>>> constent drain so it doesnt require ANY filtration. i need to snap some
>>> pics of it
>>
>>
>> =====================
>> I'd love something like that. I'm becoming the water companies favorite
>> customer. Water changes are one of the few things I don't enjoy doing
>> anymore. I think because I have so many aquariums and outdoor pools and
>> ponds. I'm now a week behind on water changes in my 55g tanks........
>
>
> i snapped some pics of my currently defunked pond. its in bad need of
> repair...know any good places to host them?

photobucket.com

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Rick wrote:

> > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>>Koi-Lo wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>>
>>>>Koi-Lo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If I'm going to spend money it's going to be on something worthwhile
>>>>>like
>>>>>another fancy goldfish, another water pump, another 500g outdoor
>>>>>pool-pond,.... frozen Fish Yum Yums, a new filter.......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>eventually I will get some koi for in there. but unfortunatly im pretty
>>>>certain that the pond is built over a natural spring so i cant rubber
>>>>line it. im going to have to dig it out and completly rebuild the walls.
>>>>ive talked to a few people about what to do and i think ive got a plan.
>>>>it just wont be cheap or easy... but i have to sell my other house
>>>>before i can do anything at all
>>>>
>>>>the nice thing is the pond has a constent supply of fresh water and a
>>>>constent drain so it doesnt require ANY filtration. i need to snap some
>>>>pics of it
>>>
>>>
>>>=====================
>>>I'd love something like that. I'm becoming the water companies favorite
>>>customer. Water changes are one of the few things I don't enjoy doing
>>>anymore. I think because I have so many aquariums and outdoor pools and
>>>ponds. I'm now a week behind on water changes in my 55g tanks........
>>
>>
>>i snapped some pics of my currently defunked pond. its in bad need of
>>repair...know any good places to host them?
>
>
> photobucket.com
>
>


thanks...

here are the pics of my pond...there are also 2 pics of my 75 gallon
livebearer tank

[Beano]

Where's the link? I can't see where you've posted the pictures?

You could also try www.imageshack.us

[Koi-Lo]

> wrote in message
...
> Rick wrote:
>
> here are the pics of my pond...there are also 2 pics of my 75 gallon
> livebearer tank
==================
You have to give us an URL to get there to see them.
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Aquariums since 1952.
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Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>> here are the pics of my pond...there are also 2 pics of my 75 gallon
>> livebearer tank
>
> ==================
> You have to give us an URL to get there to see them.

http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/freebird01/Pond%20Pics/


sorry guys!

[Koi-Lo]

> wrote in message
...
> Koi-Lo wrote:
>> You have to give us an URL to get there to see them.
>
> http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/freebird01/Pond%20Pics/
>
>
> sorry guys!
===========================
Got them this time. It looks like it's holding water to me. Is it
crumbling or are pieces coming lose? It looks too much like a "box" to me.
But I know some people like that box look. Maybe you can just redo the
whole thing and give it a more natural look.

I love your tanks. :-)
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
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[[email protected]]

Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Koi-Lo wrote:
>>
>>> You have to give us an URL to get there to see them.
>>
>>
>> http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/freebird01/Pond%20Pics/
>>
>>
>> sorry guys!
>
> ===========================
> Got them this time. It looks like it's holding water to me. Is it
> crumbling or are pieces coming lose? It looks too much like a "box" to
> me. But I know some people like that box look. Maybe you can just redo
> the whole thing and give it a more natural look.
>
> I love your tanks. :-)


thanks...that 75 gallon is my first real attempt with a fully planted
tank and its doing great even with the very low electric lighting. the
tank gets quite a bit of natural lighting...

that pond is over 75 years old. both walls are cracked. that half built
bridge is holding them back from falling in...the drain end is just
crumbling. the fill end fell in a LOOOOONG time ago......the walls
originally had shifted over 6" at the split about 10 years ago. my dad
and i dug out behind them and put the bridge thing in there to keep them
from falling. the pond is the lowest spot in the property and has all
the pressure of the ground around pushing in on it. i just want to
re-build it as is with re-bar reinforced concrete walls and take out the
original ones. that pond has been there that long as it is i would hate
to change it now. i may try and do something more decorative on the feed
end cause i got a dozen or so frogs living in there at the moment and
they will need a place to sit...and im going to eventually have to build
some sort of net over it cause i got a crane/heron that likes to dine on
occasion...

its to the point now that it seeps where the cracks are and the ground
outside of the pond is starting to get soft. if i dont fix it in the
next year or two its going to be a huge mess.

in the one picture you can see what looks like an outhouse. its actually
a spring house. under it is a concrete box similar to a sistern that is
constently repleneished by an artesian well that drains into the pond
and eventually into the swamp at the back of the yard then to a local creek.

[Koi-Lo]

> wrote in message
...
>> I love your tanks. :-)
>
> that pond is over 75 years old. both walls are cracked. that half built
> bridge is holding them back from falling in...the drain end is just
> crumbling. the fill end fell in a LOOOOONG time ago......the walls
> originally had shifted over 6" at the split about 10 years ago. my dad and
> i dug out behind them and put the bridge thing in there to keep them from
> falling. the pond is the lowest spot in the property and has all the
> pressure of the ground around pushing in on it. i just want to re-build it
> as is with re-bar reinforced concrete walls and take out the original
> ones. that pond has been there that long as it is i would hate to change
> it now. i may try and do something more decorative on the feed end cause i
> got a dozen or so frogs living in there at the moment and they will need a
> place to sit...and im going to eventually have to build some sort of net
> over it cause i got a crane/heron that likes to dine on occasion...

Check out the fine black bird netting ACE Hardware carries. It's the least
obvious netting we've come across. Cranes and herons will pick a pond clean
in no time. Even the newts will be gone. And where you have them you
probably also have fish and frog eating snakes. Bullfrogs also eat fish and
small birds. A net will keep everything out.

> its to the point now that it seeps where the cracks are and the ground
> outside of the pond is starting to get soft. if i dont fix it in the next
> year or two its going to be a huge mess.

It sure sounds like it. :-(

> in the one picture you can see what looks like an outhouse. its actually a
> spring house. under it is a concrete box similar to a sistern that is
> constently repleneished by an artesian well that drains into the pond and
> eventually into the swamp at the back of the yard then to a local creek.

What a set up. Lucky you! We have a wet-weather spring about 8' from my 2
larger inground ponds. When it's running I drop a pump in the hole and my
fish get a massive water change over a 12h period. It seldom runs for more
than 24 hours though and that's only after really heavy rains.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Beano]

Hey guys, since I've noticed some people still posting in my topic
(yay, it's active!!), can I ask if anyone knows an alternative to
metronidazole to treat hexamita? I can't seem to get any in Australia
and customs might have a problem with me importing it. Other than
that, I don't feel up to faking a gastric ulcer in order to get some,
plus they'll make me try an antacid first.

[[email protected]]

Koi-Lo wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>> I love your tanks. :-)
>>
>>
>> that pond is over 75 years old. both walls are cracked. that half
>> built bridge is holding them back from falling in...the drain end is
>> just crumbling. the fill end fell in a LOOOOONG time ago......the
>> walls originally had shifted over 6" at the split about 10 years ago.
>> my dad and i dug out behind them and put the bridge thing in there to
>> keep them from falling. the pond is the lowest spot in the property
>> and has all the pressure of the ground around pushing in on it. i just
>> want to re-build it as is with re-bar reinforced concrete walls and
>> take out the original ones. that pond has been there that long as it
>> is i would hate to change it now. i may try and do something more
>> decorative on the feed end cause i got a dozen or so frogs living in
>> there at the moment and they will need a place to sit...and im going
>> to eventually have to build some sort of net over it cause i got a
>> crane/heron that likes to dine on occasion...
>
>
> Check out the fine black bird netting ACE Hardware carries. It's the
> least obvious netting we've come across. Cranes and herons will pick a
> pond clean in no time. Even the newts will be gone. And where you
> have them you probably also have fish and frog eating snakes. Bullfrogs
> also eat fish and small birds. A net will keep everything out.
>
>> its to the point now that it seeps where the cracks are and the ground
>> outside of the pond is starting to get soft. if i dont fix it in the
>> next year or two its going to be a huge mess.
>
>
> It sure sounds like it. :-(
>
>> in the one picture you can see what looks like an outhouse. its
>> actually a spring house. under it is a concrete box similar to a
>> sistern that is constently repleneished by an artesian well that
>> drains into the pond and eventually into the swamp at the back of the
>> yard then to a local creek.
>
>
> What a set up. Lucky you! We have a wet-weather spring about 8' from
> my 2 larger inground ponds. When it's running I drop a pump in the hole
> and my fish get a massive water change over a 12h period. It seldom
> runs for more than 24 hours though and that's only after really heavy
> rains.

whats funny is we pretty much have to be in drought conditions before it
stops running completly. i can only think of a handfull of times this
actually happened.

ive also seen it overflow in heavy rains....

[Koi-Lo]

Moments before taking that leap of faith into pond <Beano> at
> was heard opining:

> Hey guys, since I've noticed some people still posting in my topic
> (yay, it's active!!), can I ask if anyone knows an alternative to
> metronidazole to treat hexamita? I can't seem to get any in Australia
> and customs might have a problem with me importing it. Other than
> that, I don't feel up to faking a gastric ulcer in order to get some,
> plus they'll make me try an antacid first.
========================
I'm in the USA so can't help you there. Maybe it's possible to find
mail-order or someone can ship it to you from here.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[swarvegorilla]

"Nikki" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Beano" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>I think you can use any salt as long as it doesn't have the Anti-caking
>> agent in it. So table salt (the stuff for your food) is definitely a
>> no no. I've got sea salt flakes at the moment, I've heard of people
>> using rock salt too. And you can actually buy aquarium salt from the
>> LFS, but I think it's probably expensive, and probably only comes in
>> huge sacks!!
>>
>> Just watch out for that anticaking agent, apparently very bad for the
>> fish. I'm not sure what the names of the agents are, or whether it
>> just says anticaking agent on the label, but check it out before you
>> stick it in your tank.
>>
> aquarium salt you can get in small box for about 3.99 should last a bit
> with
> reg size tank, or bigger boxes if needed not to expensive.
> nik
>
>
Little people!
Go to a swimming pool shop and buy a sack of swimming pool salt. That is the
salt in the little tubs sold in lfs as 'seasalt'. It's not proper marine
salt mix, but it is very cheap (AU$7 20kg sack) and works perfectly for
medication @ 1 tablespoon per 20L.
Hope that helps.
If you wanna make it even better heres some cut and pastes

"Table salt contains *none* of the other major sea-salt compounds. It is
fractionally crystallized (or mined from deposits where that happened
naturally) and surprisingly pure. I suspect that is true for most of the
so-called "sea salt" in the health-food stores, too. That's one of the
reasons they have to deliberately add traces of sodium or potassium iodide
(plus non-clogging agents) for that is plentiful in sea water.
Wright Huntley,"


"Rift Lake Buffer Recipe - Cichlid Salt

by Marc Elieson

Not everyone is blessed with "hard" and/or alkaline tap water.
Recognizing this, several manufacturers, including SeaChem and Kent, have
developed buffering salts in an effort to simulate rift lake water
parameters. These serve to harden the water as well as provide "critical"
trace elements. These commercial buffers and salts can get quite expensive
if you have a large tank, or multiple tanks for that matter.

Instead of investing in these, there is a popular home remedy that
works just as well. All the ingredients can be acquired at your local
grocery store: Epsom salt, Salt, Baking Soda. Common bicarbonate of soda is
effective at raising the pH, not to mention it's very inexpensive. Epsom
salts (i.e., magnesium sulfate) can be used to harden the water, raising the
GH. And then you could also add salt to increase the general hardness of
your water. I recommend using non-iodized table salt; however, others use
Potassium Chloride or even Instant Ocean®. You can read more about the
differences between these salts in my article on Aquarium Salts. For a few
dollars, you can mix up enough Rift Lake Buffer to last you a year or more.



Condition of Water* pH GH KH
Hard Water from Tap 8.2 15 12
Hard Water from Tap w/ Buffer 8.2 34 22
R.O. Water 6.6 1 1
R.O. Water w/ Buffer 7.6 32 8
* All water was treated with Dechlorinator prior to testing


The amount of Baking Soda and Epsom Salt that you will need varies
from household to household and depends upon the tap water. Start by adding
1 teaspoon of Baking Soda to five gallons of dechlorinated water and see how
much this raises your pH. Then adjust your dosage so as to attain a desired
level (somewhere in the neighborhood of 8.2-8.6). Repeat this procedure for
Epsom Salt, starting out with ½ teaspoon. Try to achieve a GH between 15 and
25 dgh. Then add 1 teaspoon of salt. ?



RIFT LAKE BUFFER RECIPE

Ingredients
Epsom Salt
Marine Salt
Baking Soda Instructions
For every 5 US Gallons of water, add 1-tablespoon Epsom salt,
1-teaspoon baking soda, and 1-teaspoon marine salt.

"

HTH's

[swarvegorilla]

"Beano" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hey guys, since I've noticed some people still posting in my topic
> (yay, it's active!!), can I ask if anyone knows an alternative to
> metronidazole to treat hexamita? I can't seem to get any in Australia
> and customs might have a problem with me importing it. Other than
> that, I don't feel up to faking a gastric ulcer in order to get some,
> plus they'll make me try an antacid first.
>

Mate just go to a vet!
Are you in NSW?
This is not too hard hey!

[Koi-Lo]

"swarvegorilla" > wrote in message
...
> Little people!
> Go to a swimming pool shop and buy a sack of swimming pool salt. That is
> the salt in the little tubs sold in lfs as 'seasalt'. It's not proper
> marine salt mix, but it is very cheap (AU$7 20kg sack) and works perfectly
> for medication @ 1 tablespoon per 20L.
> Hope that helps.
> If you wanna make it even better heres some cut and pastes
=========================
It's even cheaper to buy the salt for water softeners. :-) It comes in
large sacks. It's fine for fish and costs pennies a pound.
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Koi-Lo]

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