Hi all, newbie here with a few questions

[Suggs]

Hi all

after many years of keeping fish from tropical to a very large
sal****er reef aquarium (400 gallon tank in the lounge) i now fancy a
pond, i cant be bothered to did a big hole so i fancy one of those
above ground kits with the timber surround they do a 400g model, anyway
can anyone advise a good way to filter this type of pond i dont want to
spend a fortune as its not going to be heavly stocked just a few gold
fish or small koi, will i need a uv to keep it clear and from an
electric point of view can i run a exterior grade cable from a plug or
spur in the house to a water proof junction box out side then split it
to power a filter and pumps uv lights etc, any views on this type of
pond is welcome...

thanks
Harry


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[JB]

A couple of things to consider: Are you looking at putting this in full sun?
Partial shade?

400 gallons isn't very large. What they say about aquariums applies to
ponds: the larger they are, the easier they are to care for. Once you get a
pond established, you'll wish you made it larger.

Do you want to have a falls? Use a BioFalls filter and you kill two birds
with one stone.


"Suggs" > wrote in message
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>
> Hi all
>
> after many years of keeping fish from tropical to a very large
> sal****er reef aquarium (400 gallon tank in the lounge) i now fancy a
> pond, i cant be bothered to did a big hole so i fancy one of those
> above ground kits with the timber surround they do a 400g model, anyway
> can anyone advise a good way to filter this type of pond i dont want to
> spend a fortune as its not going to be heavly stocked just a few gold
> fish or small koi, will i need a uv to keep it clear and from an
> electric point of view can i run a exterior grade cable from a plug or
> spur in the house to a water proof junction box out side then split it
> to power a filter and pumps uv lights etc, any views on this type of
> pond is welcome...
>
> thanks
> Harry
>
>
> --
> Suggs

[Koi-Lo]

"Suggs" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hi all
>
> after many years of keeping fish from tropical to a very large
> sal****er reef aquarium (400 gallon tank in the lounge) i now fancy a
> pond, i cant be bothered to did a big hole so i fancy one of those
> above ground kits with the timber surround they do a 400g model, anyway
> can anyone advise a good way to filter this type of pond i dont want to
> spend a fortune as its not going to be heavly stocked just a few gold
> fish or small koi,

If it's only 400g the koi will outgrow it in a few years depending on
feeding and water quality. Pass on the koi.

will i need a uv to keep it clear and from an
> electric point of view can i run a exterior grade cable from a plug or
> spur in the house to a water proof junction box out side then split it
> to power a filter and pumps uv lights etc, any views on this type of
> pond is welcome...

I'll let someone else answer that one.
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[~ janj]

>after many years of keeping fish from tropical to a very large
>sal****er reef aquarium (400 gallon tank in the lounge) i now fancy a
>pond, i cant be bothered to did a big hole so i fancy one of those
>above ground kits with the timber surround they do a 400g model, anyway
>can anyone advise a good way to filter this type of pond Harry

Hi Harry, Check out my website below. Click on "My filter" and scroll to
the bottom. You will see Flower Pot filters, some home made (under $10) or
made by Tetra ($99). This will work if you keep about 4-6 fantail goldfish.
I wouldn't recommend koi at all, or you will be digging by next year if you
do. ;-) ~ jan
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[Suggs]

Hi
yes i know that 400g is small for a pond, as much as would love to the
truth is we havent got a lot of room in the garden so cant have
anything too big without loosing a lot of the lawn, ill stick with some
goldfish then as koi wont work long term that did cross my mind as they
do get very big..

thanks
H


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Suggs

[Suggs]

forgot to add, the pond will be in partial shade..


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Suggs

[Suggs]

Suggs Wrote:
> forgot to add, the pond will be in partial shade..


nice website jani, i may well make a filter myself ive made them in the
past for my aquariums..


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[Koi-Lo]

"Suggs" > wrote in message
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>
> Hi
> yes i know that 400g is small for a pond, as much as would love to the
> truth is we havent got a lot of room in the garden so cant have
> anything too big without loosing a lot of the lawn, ill stick with some
> goldfish then as koi wont work long term that did cross my mind as they
> do get very big..
======================
A 400g for goldfish would be fine. Aside from my larger ponds I have
several smaller 150g inground ponds and the GF thrive in them.
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[Koi-Lo]

"Suggs" > wrote in message
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>
> forgot to add, the pond will be in partial shade..
>
=============================
That would be ok unless you want BLOOMING water lilies as they like all day
sun.
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[Roy]

Hey Carol

STFUB and just incase you do not now what those letters stand for....

SHUT THE **** UP BITCH





On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:02:12 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:
>><>
>><>"Suggs" > wrote in message
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>><>>
>><>> Hi
>><>> yes i know that 400g is small for a pond, as much as would love to the
>><>> truth is we havent got a lot of room in the garden so cant have
>><>> anything too big without loosing a lot of the lawn, ill stick with some
>><>> goldfish then as koi wont work long term that did cross my mind as they
>><>> do get very big..
>><>======================
>><>A 400g for goldfish would be fine. Aside from my larger ponds I have
>><>several smaller 150g inground ponds and the GF thrive in them.

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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:16:41 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:

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>> forgot to add, the pond will be in partial shade..
>>
>=============================
>That would be ok unless you want BLOOMING water lilies as they like all day
>sun.

I've read that some bloom with only 5 hours of sun.

Regards,

Hal

[G Pearce]

I have a yellow Chrometella (sp?) that does well in ~6 hours sun
Gale :~)
>>> forgot to add, the pond will be in partial shade..
>>>
>>=============================
>>That would be ok unless you want BLOOMING water lilies as they like all
>>day
>>sun.
>
> I've read that some bloom with only 5 hours of sun.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hal

[Derek Broughton]

Hal wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:16:41 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> forgot to add, the pond will be in partial shade..
>>>
>>That would be ok unless you want BLOOMING water lilies as they like all
>>day sun.
>
> I've read that some bloom with only 5 hours of sun.

Well, they _like_ sun all day. You'll get fewer blooms as you reduce the
number of hours of light, but you should be able to get some blooms with 5
hours a day.
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derek

[Koi-Lo]

"Hal" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:16:41 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> forgot to add, the pond will be in partial shade..
>>>
>>=============================
>>That would be ok unless you want BLOOMING water lilies as they like all
>>day
>>sun.
>
> I've read that some bloom with only 5 hours of sun.
>
====================
I have a yellow one that will bloom with that little sun but my whites,
pinks and reds will not.
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[Koi-Lo]

Who really cares Carol.....we don;t


On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:00:59 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:
>><>
>><>"Hal" > wrote in message
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>><>> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:16:41 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
>><>> wrote:
>><>>
>><>>>>
>><>>>> forgot to add, the pond will be in partial shade..
>><>>>>
>><>>>=============================
>><>>>That would be ok unless you want BLOOMING water lilies as they like all
>><>>>day
>><>>>sun.
>><>>
>><>> I've read that some bloom with only 5 hours of sun.
>><>>
>><>====================
>><>I have a yellow one that will bloom with that little sun but my whites,
>><>pinks and reds will not.

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[Koi-Lo]

yes they do, and I have some that gets less than that and still manage
to put out a few blooms over the summer........

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:59:50 -0400, Hal > wrote:
>><>On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:16:41 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
>><>wrote:
>><>
>><>>>
>><>>> forgot to add, the pond will be in partial shade..
>><>>>
>><>>=============================
>><>>That would be ok unless you want BLOOMING water lilies as they like all day
>><>>sun.
>><>
>><>I've read that some bloom with only 5 hours of sun.
>><>
>><>Regards,
>><>
>><>Hal

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[G Pearce]

My red one ( don't remember the name) is not quite as proliferous as the
yellow one , but does bloom, just not quite as many and it is supposed to be
"blood" red, but it is a bit paler than that and I figured it was because of
the ~ 6 hrs of direct sun
Gale :~)

>>>That would be ok unless you want BLOOMING water lilies as they like all
>>>day
>>>sun.
>>
>> I've read that some bloom with only 5 hours of sun.
>>
> ====================
> I have a yellow one that will bloom with that little sun but my whites,
> pinks and reds will not.
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> Aquariums since 1952.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> Troll Information:
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>
>
>
>

[Koi-Lo]

"G Pearce" > wrote in message
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> My red one ( don't remember the name) is not quite as proliferous as the
> yellow one , but does bloom, just not quite as many and it is supposed to
> be "blood" red, but it is a bit paler than that and I figured it was
> because of the ~ 6 hrs of direct sun
===================
You may have a different variety of red. The ones behind my house got only
5 to 6 hours of sun as the summer progressed and the sun came overhead. I
rarely saw a bloom on them. Perhaps I should have said "they very rarely
bloom" than give the impression they don't have even one flower all season.
My pinks did not bloom at all back there. Last summer my husband cut down a
lot of the trees that were causing the shade so perhaps this year I'll get
more blooms. :-)

I wish I knew someone who wanted water lilies as I'm over run with whites
and yellows. They're getting to be like zucchini's - you can't give them
away! :-)

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[Koi-Lo]

Can I come visit and get a few lilys carol?

ahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:11:22 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:
>><>
>><>"G Pearce" > wrote in message
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>><>> My red one ( don't remember the name) is not quite as proliferous as the
>><>> yellow one , but does bloom, just not quite as many and it is supposed to
>><>> be "blood" red, but it is a bit paler than that and I figured it was
>><>> because of the ~ 6 hrs of direct sun
>><>===================
>><>You may have a different variety of red. The ones behind my house got only
>><>5 to 6 hours of sun as the summer progressed and the sun came overhead. I
>><>rarely saw a bloom on them. Perhaps I should have said "they very rarely
>><>bloom" than give the impression they don't have even one flower all season.
>><>My pinks did not bloom at all back there. Last summer my husband cut down a
>><>lot of the trees that were causing the shade so perhaps this year I'll get
>><>more blooms. :-)
>><>
>><>I wish I knew someone who wanted water lilies as I'm over run with whites
>><>and yellows. They're getting to be like zucchini's - you can't give them
>><>away! :-)

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