Glow Fish

[Rick]

I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the dark,
works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.

[MEAlston]

They could be painted with a dye....

[Charles]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:12:08 GMT, "Rick" >
wrote:

>I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
>trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the dark,
>works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
>And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.
>

Genetically engineered zebra danios.

they won't let us have them in California

http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm

http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html

[Mister Gardener]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:05 GMT, Charles >
wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:12:08 GMT, "Rick" >
>wrote:
>
>>I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
>>trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the dark,
>>works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
>>And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.
>>
>
>Genetically engineered zebra danios.
>
>they won't let us have them in California
>
>http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm
>
>http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html
>
I checked out these pages and all I can say is . . . but I won't
because we've been seeing enough bad language in the fish groups
lately.

-- Mister Gardener

[Rick]

"Charles" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:12:08 GMT, "Rick" >
> wrote:
>
>>I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
>>trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the
>>dark,
>>works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
>>And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.
>>
>
> Genetically engineered zebra danios.
>
> they won't let us have them in California
>
> http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm
>
> http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html
>
Well they are available in the US now, in Florida.

[Altum]

Mister Gardener wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:05 GMT, Charles >
> wrote:
>
>> Genetically engineered zebra danios.
>>
>> they won't let us have them in California
>>
>> http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm
>>
>> http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html
>>
> I checked out these pages and all I can say is . . . but I won't
> because we've been seeing enough bad language in the fish groups
> lately.
>
> -- Mister Gardener

This isn't dyeing or tattooing and it causes the fish no pain or
suffering. I think celestial bubble eyed goldfish have it a lot worse. ;-)

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[MEAlston]

Agreed !!!!

[Koi-Lo]

"Altum" > wrote in message
. com...
> Mister Gardener wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:05 GMT, Charles >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Genetically engineered zebra danios.
>>>
>>> they won't let us have them in California
>>>
>>> http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html
>>>
>> I checked out these pages and all I can say is . . . but I won't
>> because we've been seeing enough bad language in the fish groups
>> lately.
>>
>> -- Mister Gardener
>
> This isn't dyeing or tattooing and it causes the fish no pain or
> suffering. I think celestial bubble eyed goldfish have it a lot worse.
> ;-)
=========================
I have a pair of celestials and they seem to be blind. They do get around
their tank fine and know when the food is dropped in. I keep them with a
few platies that they compete with very well. I personally don't think it's
such a great idea breeding fish so far from the norm, but these don't seem
to be that negatively effected by the eye deformity.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Beano]

They've been making green glowing mice for years (for scientific
research), I'm surprised the fish thing didn't come along sooner.

[ToeKnee]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:12:08 GMT, "Rick" >
wrote:

>I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
>trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the dark,
>works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
>And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.
>


Glowfish, as already stated are gentically engineered. They have
been around for a number of years.

They are fish I used to push my wife into letting me get back into
aquaria.

In order to get the glow like you see in all the pictures, you need a
powerful UV light. The typical black-lights you see at novelty stores
and HomeDepot/Lowes will work, but are really not the best frequency.
The more light the better.

Once we had the 45 Gallon set up, cycled and settled in, we put 10
Glowfish and 10 regular Zebra Danio's. Two moves later we have 8 of
the ten zebra danios, but none of the Glowfish. They all died
between eight and twelve months after purchase.

In regular light they were nice, red zebra danios mixed in with silver
zebra danios, and really cool at night with the UV.. all green like
an almost dead glow stick.

I wouldn't do it again. Not worth the cost, IMHO.. 'less your a
school.....


--Tony

[justice]

ToeKnee wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:12:08 GMT, "Rick" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
>>trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the dark,
>>works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
>>And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.
>>
>
>
>
> Glowfish, as already stated are gentically engineered. They have
> been around for a number of years.
>
> They are fish I used to push my wife into letting me get back into
> aquaria.
>
> In order to get the glow like you see in all the pictures, you need a
> powerful UV light. The typical black-lights you see at novelty stores
> and HomeDepot/Lowes will work, but are really not the best frequency.
> The more light the better.
>
> Once we had the 45 Gallon set up, cycled and settled in, we put 10
> Glowfish and 10 regular Zebra Danio's. Two moves later we have 8 of
> the ten zebra danios, but none of the Glowfish. They all died
> between eight and twelve months after purchase.
>
> In regular light they were nice, red zebra danios mixed in with silver
> zebra danios, and really cool at night with the UV.. all green like
> an almost dead glow stick.
>
> I wouldn't do it again. Not worth the cost, IMHO.. 'less your a
> school.....
>
>
> --Tony
or you could get a glowlight tetra, unless they are geneticly alterterd.
They glow in the light and dark. had three for about a year and they
glow when things are good. I know water needs changeing when they get
dull(just kidding) :)

[Nikki]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Altum" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> Mister Gardener wrote:
>>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:05 GMT, Charles >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Genetically engineered zebra danios.
>>>>
>>>> they won't let us have them in California
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm
>>>>
>>>> http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html
>>>>
>>> I checked out these pages and all I can say is . . . but I won't
>>> because we've been seeing enough bad language in the fish groups
>>> lately.
>>>
>>> -- Mister Gardener
>>
>> This isn't dyeing or tattooing and it causes the fish no pain or
>> suffering. I think celestial bubble eyed goldfish have it a lot worse.
>> ;-)
> =========================
> I have a pair of celestials and they seem to be blind. They do get around
> their tank fine and know when the food is dropped in. I keep them with a
> few platies that they compete with very well. I personally don't think
> it's such a great idea breeding fish so far from the norm, but these don't
> seem to be that negatively effected by the eye deformity.
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> Aquariums since 1952.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
>
>
I agree with you 100% I don't know if you remember the bubble eye goldfish I
seen at petsmart who's bubble was popped, it was having a hard time swimming
and it does not grow back so he will have problems until he gets used to it
I guess. another thing breeders are doing is breeding different fish
together there are some cichlids that are breed from two other fish and
don't do well or live quite as long as others.
Nik

[Adam]

I just feel bad for the glowlights because they are sterile ;)

[Adam]

I mean the glowfish (trademark, patent, copyright) or whatever are
sterile, not glowlight tetras, just to be clear...

sidebar.... what does it take to trademark a fish species? Jack Watley
Discus for example, I believe they have TM by some of their names... so
watch out if you want to breed "Red Panda" tetras, you could have a law
suit on your hands! Are these even different species? ugh, I need to
take a biology class (and stay awake for it this time).

[Koi-Lo]

Moments before spontaneously combusting <Nikki>
at > was heard opining:

> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I have a pair of celestials and they seem to be blind. They do get
>> around their tank fine and know when the food is dropped in. I
>> keep them with a few platies that they compete with very well. I
>> personally don't think it's such a great idea breeding fish so far
>> from the norm, but these don't seem to be that negatively effected
>> by the eye deformity. --

> I agree with you 100% I don't know if you remember the bubble eye
> goldfish I seen at petsmart who's bubble was popped, it was having a
> hard time swimming and it does not grow back so he will have problems
> until he gets used to it I guess. another thing breeders are doing is
> breeding different fish together there are some cichlids that are
> breed from two other fish and don't do well or live quite as long as
> others. Nik
==================
I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the other side
so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid that's some kind of
cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Aquarium FAQ are at:
http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Marco Schwarz]

Hi..

> I checked out these pages and all I can say is . . .

Right, this is no nocturnal fish. Why should it glow or be
kept in the dark?

> but I
> won't because we've been seeing enough bad language in the
> fish groups lately.

;-(
--
cu
Marco

[ToeKnee]

On 25 Apr 2006 05:45:27 -0700, "Adam" >
wrote:

>I just feel bad for the glowlights because they are sterile ;)


Don't tell the ones I had that.... had three sets of fry before the
last died.

Two fo the fry were allowed to mature, the rest were fed to the
Angelfish... who really enjoyed the snack.

Best I can tell "glowfish are sterile" was a rumour....


--Tony

[Nikki]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> Moments before spontaneously combusting <Nikki>
> at > was heard opining:
>
>> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I have a pair of celestials and they seem to be blind. They do get
>>> around their tank fine and know when the food is dropped in. I
>>> keep them with a few platies that they compete with very well. I
>>> personally don't think it's such a great idea breeding fish so far
>>> from the norm, but these don't seem to be that negatively effected
>>> by the eye deformity. --
>
>> I agree with you 100% I don't know if you remember the bubble eye
>> goldfish I seen at petsmart who's bubble was popped, it was having a
>> hard time swimming and it does not grow back so he will have problems
>> until he gets used to it I guess. another thing breeders are doing is
>> breeding different fish together there are some cichlids that are
>> breed from two other fish and don't do well or live quite as long as
>> others. Nik
> ==================
> I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the other side
> so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid that's some kind
> of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> Aquariums since 1952.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> Aquarium FAQ are at:
> http://faq.thekrib.com/
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
>
yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask the
place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way don't carry
them or ever have them for that reason, which after coming home and reading
and getting info, I agree about the parrot cichlid, decided did not want
one, as to not add to the problem
About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will pick up
this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I will do the same
thing, pop the other side for balance.
NIk

[Koi-Lo]

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Nikki> at
> was heard opining:

> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the
>> other side so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid
>> that's some kind of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
===========>>
> yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask
> the place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way
> don't carry them or ever have them for that reason, which after
> coming home and reading and getting info, I agree about the parrot
> cichlid, decided did not want one, as to not add to the problem
> About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will
> pick up this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I
> will do the same thing, pop the other side for balance.
> NIk
======================
After watching these fancy GF with such deformed eyes, I've decided not to
breed them but allow them to cross with normal GF if I do put them outside.
The fry should have normal eyes but the same cute fancy bodies. I always
have a market for nice healthy GF. You don't realize how disadvantaged they
are until you buy them and see them everyday. These are my first celestials
and bubble-eyes. The celestials are the most disadvantaged.

I remember a woman who was breeding bulldogs back in the 1960s. When she
realized the problems the facial deformity caused so many of these dogs, she
became very angry and stopped breeding them. As vocal as she became about
breeding such things into our pets - she was ignored. Once a breed or type
is out there and sells, there will always be people to cash in.........
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Nikki]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Nikki> at
> > was heard opining:
>
>> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the
>>> other side so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid
>>> that's some kind of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
> ===========>>
>> yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask
>> the place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way
>> don't carry them or ever have them for that reason, which after
>> coming home and reading and getting info, I agree about the parrot
>> cichlid, decided did not want one, as to not add to the problem
>> About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will
>> pick up this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I
>> will do the same thing, pop the other side for balance.
>> NIk
> ======================
> After watching these fancy GF with such deformed eyes, I've decided not to
> breed them but allow them to cross with normal GF if I do put them
> outside. The fry should have normal eyes but the same cute fancy bodies.
> I always have a market for nice healthy GF. You don't realize how
> disadvantaged they are until you buy them and see them everyday. These
> are my first celestials and bubble-eyes. The celestials are the most
> disadvantaged.
>
> I remember a woman who was breeding bulldogs back in the 1960s. When she
> realized the problems the facial deformity caused so many of these dogs,
> she became very angry and stopped breeding them. As vocal as she became
> about breeding such things into our pets - she was ignored. Once a breed
> or type is out there and sells, there will always be people to cash
> in.........
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> Aquariums since 1952.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
>
You are so right, I was at the lfs the other day and was watching the GF and
as they were eating I noticed the bubble eye ones were having a hard time
getting food they are at a disadvantage.
nik

[stuarth]

> I just feel bad for the glowlights because they are sterile ;)

Only 90% of them...
The scientist couldn't get a 100% target rate.

Did you watch the Movie Jurassic Park?? ;-))


They'll get into the wild eventually.
You can bet your last dollar on it that some twit will release them
into a river.

I feel that if we start buying these little monsters, what's to stop
them GM'ing another bigger fish or even another bigger pet?

On the 'its not caused any suffering angle'. I wonder how many
genetically deformed fry the scientist made before he got fish that
were just what he wanted. A few thousand?

Is exposing a fish to only UV light even natural?

Things to think about surely.

[Gill Passman]

Nikki wrote:
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Nikki> at
> was heard opining:
>>
>>
>>>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the
>>>>other side so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid
>>>>that's some kind of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
>>
>>===========>>
>>
>>>yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask
>>>the place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way
>>>don't carry them or ever have them for that reason, which after
>>>coming home and reading and getting info, I agree about the parrot
>>>cichlid, decided did not want one, as to not add to the problem
>>>About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will
>>>pick up this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I
>>>will do the same thing, pop the other side for balance.
>>>NIk
>>
>>======================
>>After watching these fancy GF with such deformed eyes, I've decided not to
>>breed them but allow them to cross with normal GF if I do put them
>>outside. The fry should have normal eyes but the same cute fancy bodies.
>>I always have a market for nice healthy GF. You don't realize how
>>disadvantaged they are until you buy them and see them everyday. These
>>are my first celestials and bubble-eyes. The celestials are the most
>>disadvantaged.
>>
>>I remember a woman who was breeding bulldogs back in the 1960s. When she
>>realized the problems the facial deformity caused so many of these dogs,
>>she became very angry and stopped breeding them. As vocal as she became
>>about breeding such things into our pets - she was ignored. Once a breed
>>or type is out there and sells, there will always be people to cash
>>in.........
>>--
>>Koi-Lo....
>>Frugal ponding since 1995.
>>Aquariums since 1952.
>>My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>>~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>
>>
> You are so right, I was at the lfs the other day and was watching the GF and
> as they were eating I noticed the bubble eye ones were having a hard time
> getting food they are at a disadvantage.
> nik
>
>

Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish? It
creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and breeding of
these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical principles....

Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....

gill

BTW the dog analogy is a good one....but they are still bred and still
bought....and I'm sure cost their owners an arm and a leg in vet bills....

[Nikki]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> Nikki wrote:
>> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Nikki> at
> was heard opining:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>>I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the
>>>>>other side so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid
>>>>>that's some kind of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
>>>
>>>===========>>
>>>
>>>>yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask
>>>>the place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way
>>>>don't carry them or ever have them for that reason, which after
>>>>coming home and reading and getting info, I agree about the parrot
>>>>cichlid, decided did not want one, as to not add to the problem
>>>>About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will
>>>>pick up this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I
>>>>will do the same thing, pop the other side for balance.
>>>>NIk
>>>
>>>======================
>>>After watching these fancy GF with such deformed eyes, I've decided not
>>>to breed them but allow them to cross with normal GF if I do put them
>>>outside. The fry should have normal eyes but the same cute fancy bodies.
>>>I always have a market for nice healthy GF. You don't realize how
>>>disadvantaged they are until you buy them and see them everyday. These
>>>are my first celestials and bubble-eyes. The celestials are the most
>>>disadvantaged.
>>>
>>>I remember a woman who was breeding bulldogs back in the 1960s. When she
>>>realized the problems the facial deformity caused so many of these dogs,
>>>she became very angry and stopped breeding them. As vocal as she became
>>>about breeding such things into our pets - she was ignored. Once a breed
>>>or type is out there and sells, there will always be people to cash
>>>in.........
>>>--
>>>Koi-Lo....
>>>Frugal ponding since 1995.
>>>Aquariums since 1952.
>>>My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>>http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>>>~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>>
>>>
>> You are so right, I was at the lfs the other day and was watching the GF
>> and as they were eating I noticed the bubble eye ones were having a hard
>> time getting food they are at a disadvantage.
>> nik
>
> Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish? It
> creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and breeding of
> these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical principles....
>
> Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....
>
> gill
>
> BTW the dog analogy is a good one....but they are still bred and still
> bought....and I'm sure cost their owners an arm and a leg in vet bills....

I dont have any....If the girl at the store was able to cure the one she had
i told her i would take it other wise they were getting rid of it/ killing
it, but they said they would give it to me if i wanted it, that was the
first time i seen one, and felt bad for it...
nik

[Nikki]

"Nikki" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Nikki wrote:
>>> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Nikki> at
> was heard opining:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the
>>>>>>other side so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid
>>>>>>that's some kind of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
>>>>
>>>>===========>>
>>>>
>>>>>yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask
>>>>>the place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way
>>>>>don't carry them or ever have them for that reason, which after
>>>>>coming home and reading and getting info, I agree about the parrot
>>>>>cichlid, decided did not want one, as to not add to the problem
>>>>>About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will
>>>>>pick up this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I
>>>>>will do the same thing, pop the other side for balance.
>>>>>NIk
>>>>
>>>>======================
>>>>After watching these fancy GF with such deformed eyes, I've decided not
>>>>to breed them but allow them to cross with normal GF if I do put them
>>>>outside. The fry should have normal eyes but the same cute fancy bodies.
>>>>I always have a market for nice healthy GF. You don't realize how
>>>>disadvantaged they are until you buy them and see them everyday. These
>>>>are my first celestials and bubble-eyes. The celestials are the most
>>>>disadvantaged.
>>>>
>>>>I remember a woman who was breeding bulldogs back in the 1960s. When
>>>>she realized the problems the facial deformity caused so many of these
>>>>dogs, she became very angry and stopped breeding them. As vocal as she
>>>>became about breeding such things into our pets - she was ignored. Once
>>>>a breed or type is out there and sells, there will always be people to
>>>>cash in.........
>>>>--
>>>>Koi-Lo....
>>>>Frugal ponding since 1995.
>>>>Aquariums since 1952.
>>>>My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>>>>~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You are so right, I was at the lfs the other day and was watching the GF
>>> and as they were eating I noticed the bubble eye ones were having a hard
>>> time getting food they are at a disadvantage.
>>> nik
>>
>> Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish? It
>> creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and breeding of
>> these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical principles....
>>
>> Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....
>>
>> gill
>>
>> BTW the dog analogy is a good one....but they are still bred and still
>> bought....and I'm sure cost their owners an arm and a leg in vet
>> bills....
>
> I dont have any....If the girl at the store was able to cure the one she
> had i told her i would take it other wise they were getting rid of it/
> killing it, but they said they would give it to me if i wanted it, that
> was the first time i seen one, and felt bad for it...
> nik
>bubble eye GF sorry (i guess they have a real name but i dont know it)

[ToeKnee]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:30:20 +0100, Gill Passman
> wrote:

<snip>
<very big snip>
>
>Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish? It
>creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and breeding of
>these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical principles....

Since I am the only person here (that I recall) that has admitted to
it...

I wanted to get back into aquaria.. and being a bit geeky, I used them
to tease me wife into it. She is hooked now, and we have nothing
but normal~ish fish.. no coloured, overtly GM'd animals.

>Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....

Not in this case.. the non-branded version have been used in labs for
years prior to being released to the public as pets. To my
recollection they were primarily used for cancer research.

And, in my defense... IF this works in my favour... I only used a
GM breed that had been around for years as a valid legitimate
research tool. IF my wife had been more open to a tank from scratch
with regularly available fish, I would not have helped them out by
adding to their profit...

<<shrug>> Yes, they are still in business, but I don't see them
lasting long, regardless of my support...

That said....I spent a lot of time at the LFS when I first started
off. Most of the people I saw looking at them were steered away when
I explained what the fish were, their supposed sterility, and how much
light it took to really get the glowout.

The fellow customers I spoke with ere all enthralled by the pictures
of them glowing. Only one LFS I went to actually had a decent
display.. they had the Glowfish in a black painted tank, in a dark
corner, with about $100 of high quality UV lights. Almost like the PR
photos... but the customer was left ignorant of what all went into
getting them to glow. Honestly... I and everyone else is all "WOW...
how cool looking"


I take no offense to the question, now or ever....


--Tony

[Koi-Lo]

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Adam> at
> was heard opining:

> I just feel bad for the glowlights because they are sterile ;)

====================================
Nothing wrong with that - they can play and not pay! :-))
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[Koi-Lo]

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Gill Passman> at
> was heard opining:


> Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish?

Like the bulldog lady it's hard to appreciate their handicaps until you
actually own them and watch them day by day, month after month.

> It creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and
> breeding of these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical
> principles....

There you go! BTW, I chose bubble-eyes with moderate bubbles. They have no
trouble eating or seeing. Those with huge bubbles I'm sure have a rough
time of it. :0(

> Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....

> gill
>
> BTW the dog analogy is a good one....but they are still bred and still
> bought....and I'm sure cost their owners an arm and a leg in vet
> bills....
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[Nikki]

"Beano" > wrote in message
...
> Koi-Lo wrote:
>> Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Gill Passman> at
>> > was heard opining:
>>
>>
>>> Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish?
>>
>> Like the bulldog lady it's hard to appreciate their handicaps until you
>> actually own them and watch them day by day, month after month.
>>
>>> It creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and
>>> breeding of these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical
>>> principles....
>>
>> There you go! BTW, I chose bubble-eyes with moderate bubbles. They have
>> no trouble eating or seeing. Those with huge bubbles I'm sure have a
>> rough time of it. :0(
>>
>>> Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....
>>
>>> gill
>>>
>>> BTW the dog analogy is a good one....but they are still bred and still
>>> bought....and I'm sure cost their owners an arm and a leg in vet
>>> bills....
>
>
> Hey since this thread is still alive, I thought I might add that my LFS
> has been selling the same diseased painted glass fish for the last 2
> months now... it seems no one wants to buy them... possibly because for
> the last 2 months most of them have had unshakable ich! I never see any
> dead ones in there, but they are definitely losing their colouring!
>
> This is the first time I've seen these painted fish at any fish store
> around my city. Seems they've arrived...

do you wonder if these "altered" fish are more likely to get sick and then
more hard to treat?
Nik

[Koi-Lo]

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Beano> at
> was heard opining:

> Koi-Lo wrote:
>> There you go! BTW, I chose bubble-eyes with moderate bubbles. They
>> have no trouble eating or seeing. Those with huge bubbles I'm sure
>> have a rough time of it. :0(
>
> This is the first time I've seen these painted fish at any fish store
> around my city. Seems they've arrived...
====================================
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I've seen them here for awhile now. I think they look truly ugly. The ones
I saw look like fish some 2 year old child with poor vision slabbered paint
on..... I wouldn't take them for free.
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[Altum]

Beano wrote:

> Hey since this thread is still alive, I thought I might add that my LFS
> has been selling the same diseased painted glass fish for the last 2
> months now... it seems no one wants to buy them... possibly because for
> the last 2 months most of them have had unshakable ich! I never see any
> dead ones in there, but they are definitely losing their colouring!
>
> This is the first time I've seen these painted fish at any fish store
> around my city. Seems they've arrived...

It's not ich. Many painted glass fish have a viral infection called
lymphocistis. Healthy fish can fight off a lymphocistis infection in a
matter of weeks, but painting weakens fish and they can't fight the
infection. And yes, they fade. It has nothing to do with the virus.
The paint does its lethal damage and then fades, leaving the customer
with a sick glassfish that will die in a matter of months.

If your store does not usually carry painted fish, don't despair. It is
possible that your LFS supplier put the painted fish in the shipment
without asking the store. That happens quite a bit. I was in a pretty
good store that had a tank of pink-dyed white skirt tetras. I asked
about them and the fish manager said they had ordered serpae tetras.
They also had some dye injected cories they hadn't ordered - they were
getting ready to switch suppliers.

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[Nikki]

"Altum" > wrote in message
et...
> Beano wrote:
>
>> Hey since this thread is still alive, I thought I might add that my LFS
>> has been selling the same diseased painted glass fish for the last 2
>> months now... it seems no one wants to buy them... possibly because for
>> the last 2 months most of them have had unshakable ich! I never see any
>> dead ones in there, but they are definitely losing their colouring!
>>
>> This is the first time I've seen these painted fish at any fish store
>> around my city. Seems they've arrived...
>
> It's not ich. Many painted glass fish have a viral infection called
> lymphocistis. Healthy fish can fight off a lymphocistis infection in a
> matter of weeks, but painting weakens fish and they can't fight the
> infection. And yes, they fade. It has nothing to do with the virus. The
> paint does its lethal damage and then fades, leaving the customer with a
> sick glassfish that will die in a matter of months.
>
> If your store does not usually carry painted fish, don't despair. It is
> possible that your LFS supplier put the painted fish in the shipment
> without asking the store. That happens quite a bit. I was in a pretty
> good store that had a tank of pink-dyed white skirt tetras. I asked about
> them and the fish manager said they had ordered serpae tetras. They also
> had some dye injected cories they hadn't ordered - they were getting ready
> to switch suppliers.
>
> --
> Put the word aquaria in the subject to email me.
> Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com

My neighbor has those painted fish, it was the first I seen of them, she got
them about a year ago, when I visit her I always check them out and since
she got them till now they have faded, she said she started with about ten,
now she has I think four. I kind of felt bad to see people doing that to
fish, I guess as long as people buy them they will continue to do it, just
as they do with breeding GF with big bubble eyes and so on..You would think
it could not be great for their health
Nik

[Beano]

Nikki wrote:
> "Altum" > wrote in message
> et...
>> Beano wrote:
>>
>>> Hey since this thread is still alive, I thought I might add that my LFS
>>> has been selling the same diseased painted glass fish for the last 2
>>> months now... it seems no one wants to buy them... possibly because for
>>> the last 2 months most of them have had unshakable ich! I never see any
>>> dead ones in there, but they are definitely losing their colouring!
>>>
>>> This is the first time I've seen these painted fish at any fish store
>>> around my city. Seems they've arrived...
>> It's not ich. Many painted glass fish have a viral infection called
>> lymphocistis. Healthy fish can fight off a lymphocistis infection in a
>> matter of weeks, but painting weakens fish and they can't fight the
>> infection. And yes, they fade. It has nothing to do with the virus. The
>> paint does its lethal damage and then fades, leaving the customer with a
>> sick glassfish that will die in a matter of months.
>>
>> If your store does not usually carry painted fish, don't despair. It is
>> possible that your LFS supplier put the painted fish in the shipment
>> without asking the store. That happens quite a bit. I was in a pretty
>> good store that had a tank of pink-dyed white skirt tetras. I asked about
>> them and the fish manager said they had ordered serpae tetras. They also
>> had some dye injected cories they hadn't ordered - they were getting ready
>> to switch suppliers.
>>
>> --
>> Put the word aquaria in the subject to email me.
>> Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com
>
> My neighbor has those painted fish, it was the first I seen of them, she got
> them about a year ago, when I visit her I always check them out and since
> she got them till now they have faded, she said she started with about ten,
> now she has I think four. I kind of felt bad to see people doing that to
> fish, I guess as long as people buy them they will continue to do it, just
> as they do with breeding GF with big bubble eyes and so on..You would think
> it could not be great for their health
> Nik
>
>

EEK! Yeah, well they didn't seem to be able to fix the so-called Ich.
Now I think back it did look more like your lymphocystis suggestion.
Well I'm happy that no one seems to be buying them. It's not a
particularly good shop that has them, but they have cheaper fish. The
other store that I really like costs a fortune. I think the difference
being that the other one is located in a very posh snobby suburb near
the city and the other one on flat low ground within a regular suburb.
Also, I think the cheaper one don't quarantine their fish when they get
them.

[Koi-Lo]

"Nikki" > wrote in message
...
>
> I kind of felt bad to see people doing that to fish, I guess as long as
> people buy them they will continue to do it, just as they do with breeding
> GF with big bubble eyes and so on..You would think it could not be great
> for their health
====================
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What happens with these mutations is the breeders go overboard. The fish
with the smaller bubble-eyes do just fine. But they're breeding them with
such huge monster bubbles they can't even hardly eat! I have a pom pom and
here again chose one with small poms (one died suddenly). But I've seen
them being sucked into the fishes mouth as they breathed in the FS, they
were so huge. The fish could barely eat as the poms get sucked into their
mouth the girl there said. There is no need to breed for such extremes.
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Aquariums since 1952.
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[CanadianCray]

When references are made to the glo-fish that is a genetically modified
danio. Those are only available in red. There are also natural strains of
red Danios. The yellow, blue, green ones are a genetically modified rice
fish and was developed by the Taikong Corporation in Taiwan. For the purpose
of research of polluted water. It was the American ornamental community that
came up with the Danio for profit.

The Taikong fish are almost 100% sterile and there is like a 1% chance of
you getting a male and a female that can breed. The American copy is very
easily bred because they never put much into researching how they could stop
the fish from reproducing if they ever got released into the wild by
irresponsible fish keepers. You see the Taiwan company was responsible
because they were going to release these fish in the wild to see if they
could live and find where there was pollution. They did sell to the
ornamental trade to help fund the research and bring it to the public
because demand was too huge to ignore. The American firm was after profit
first.



"stuarth" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> I just feel bad for the glowlights because they are sterile ;)
>
> Only 90% of them...
> The scientist couldn't get a 100% target rate.
>
> Did you watch the Movie Jurassic Park?? ;-))
>
>
> They'll get into the wild eventually.
> You can bet your last dollar on it that some twit will release them
> into a river.
>
> I feel that if we start buying these little monsters, what's to stop
> them GM'ing another bigger fish or even another bigger pet?
>
> On the 'its not caused any suffering angle'. I wonder how many
> genetically deformed fry the scientist made before he got fish that
> were just what he wanted. A few thousand?
>
> Is exposing a fish to only UV light even natural?
>
> Things to think about surely.
>