TOBS: Is Evolution and Science a Religion: Carl Sagan says Yes

[King7rook5]

The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of intricacy,
depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more powerful than
the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he added: “I would not
even object to saying that the sense of awe before the grandeur of
nature is itself a religious experience.”

[Graham Kennedy]

King7rook5 wrote:
> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
> interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of intricacy,
> depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more powerful than
> the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he added: “I would not
> even object to saying that the sense of awe before the grandeur of
> nature is itself a religious experience.”

Which is a completely different thing from saying
evolution is a religion. But you knew that, right?

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[BKnight+Wpawn]

Graham Kennedy wrote:
> King7rook5 wrote:
>> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
>> interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of
>> intricacy, depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more
>> powerful than the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he
>> added: “I would not even object to saying that the sense of awe before
>> the grandeur of nature is itself a religious experience.”
>
> Which is a completely different thing from saying
> evolution is a religion. But you knew that, right?
>

If religion is a falsehood. Why bother with comparing science to it? ,
Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the noted Soviet exile and author who considered
himself a Marxist in his younger years, took a dim view of atheism when
he said recently in an award-acceptance speech: “The entire 20th century
is being sucked into the vortex of atheism and self-destruction. We can
only reach with determination for the warm hand of God, which we have so
rashly and self-confidently pushed away . . . There is nothing else to
cling to in the landslide.” That surely does not sound as if disbelief
or atheism is the answer, does it?

[Donald E. Flood]

"King7rook5" > wrote in message
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> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
> interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of intricacy,
> depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more powerful than
> the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he added: “I would not
> even object to saying that the sense of awe before the grandeur of nature
> is itself a religious experience.”

Apples & Oranges! Do you admit the possibility, however remote, that your
religion could be "wrong"?

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[Mutated Sea Bass]

King7rook5 wrote:
> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
> interview: "If you look into science you will find a sense of intricacy,
> depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more powerful than
> the offerings of any bureaucratic religion." Then he added: "I would not
> even object to saying that the sense of awe before the grandeur of
> nature is itself a religious experience."

Please check headings before replying to troll.

El Mutyo (the masked something or other)

[Sudoku]

Donald E. Flood wrote:
> "King7rook5" > wrote in message
> news:fgJ4g.1475$nV4.1105@trnddc04...
>> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
>> interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of intricacy,
>> depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more powerful than
>> the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he added: “I would not
>> even object to saying that the sense of awe before the grandeur of nature
>> is itself a religious experience.”
>
> Apples & Oranges! Do you admit the possibility, however remote, that your
> religion could be "wrong"?
>

Of course it has been wrong many times in the past. Can you admit the
possibility, however remote, that your
athesim and evolution could be "wrong"?

[John Baker]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:48:11 GMT, King7rook5 >
wrote:

>The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
>interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of intricacy,
>depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more powerful than
>the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he added: “I would not
>even object to saying that the sense of awe before the grandeur of
>nature is itself a religious experience.”


Sorry, Jabbers. That isn't what Sagan was saying at all. But then, you
already knew that, didn't you, ****nuts?

Checkmate.

<PLONK!>

[DanielSan]

King7rook5 wrote:
> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
> interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of intricacy,
> depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more powerful than
> the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he added: “I would not
> even object to saying that the sense of awe before the grandeur of
> nature is itself a religious experience.”

I guess pizza is a religion, too. I once had a pizza so great that it
itself was a religious experience. Am I wrong?

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[Sudoku]

Limnophile wrote:
> "Sudoku" > wrote in message
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>> Donald E. Flood wrote:
>>> "King7rook5" > wrote in message
>>> news:fgJ4g.1475$nV4.1105@trnddc04...
>>>> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
>>>> interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of intricacy,
>>>> depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more powerful than
>>>> the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he added: “I would not
>>>> even object to saying that the sense of awe before the grandeur of
>>>> nature is itself a religious experience.”
>>> Apples & Oranges! Do you admit the possibility, however remote, that
>>> your religion could be "wrong"?
>>>
>> Of course it has been wrong many times in the past. Can you admit the
>> possibility, however remote, that your
>> athesim and evolution could be "wrong"?
>
> Have any of the people in this thread considered the posibility that it has
> nothing to do with aquaria ? Please check the "to" line before sending
> replies.
>
> Thanks;
> Limnophile
>
>

We were invited here by Koi-lo. When she stops contaminating our waters,
we will leave yours alone.

[Donald E. Flood]

"Sudoku" > wrote in message
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> Donald E. Flood wrote:
>> "King7rook5" > wrote in message
>> news:fgJ4g.1475$nV4.1105@trnddc04...
>>> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
>>> interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of intricacy,
>>> depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more powerful than
>>> the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he added: “I would not
>>> even object to saying that the sense of awe before the grandeur of
>>> nature is itself a religious experience.”
>>
>> Apples & Oranges! Do you admit the possibility, however remote, that
>> your religion could be "wrong"?
>>
>
> Of course it has been wrong many times in the past. Can you admit the
> possibility, however remote, that your
> athesim and evolution could be "wrong"?

Yes, absolutely!

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[Sudoku]

DanielSan wrote:
> King7rook5 wrote:
>> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
>> interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of
>> intricacy, depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more
>> powerful than the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he
>> added: “I would not even object to saying that the sense of awe before
>> the grandeur of nature is itself a religious experience.”
>
> I guess pizza is a religion, too. I once had a pizza so great that it
> itself was a religious experience. Am I wrong?
>

your right.

[DanielSan]

Sudoku wrote:
> Donald E. Flood wrote:
>
>> "King7rook5" > wrote in message
>> news:fgJ4g.1475$nV4.1105@trnddc04...
>>
>>> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
>>> interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of
>>> intricacy, depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more
>>> powerful than the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he
>>> added: “I would not even object to saying that the sense of awe
>>> before the grandeur of nature is itself a religious experience.”
>>
>>
>> Apples & Oranges! Do you admit the possibility, however remote, that
>> your religion could be "wrong"?
>>
>
> Of course it has been wrong many times in the past. Can you admit the
> possibility, however remote, that your
> athesim and evolution could be "wrong"?

Nope. There is no God in the same vein that there is no Ra.

Evolution is the mutation of species in accordance to stimuli. The
evidence of human evolution is overwhelming. And can be observed in
living humans:

Compare
http://www.eaglescry.com/Eskimo.jpg
with
http://customtourguide.com/africanimages/africanimagesL/a13L.jpg
with
http://rush-limbaugh.net/index_r3_c1.jpg

Yes, they're all Homo sapiens sapiens, but each looks very different.

As for our ancestors, well, they're dead, but we can observe the changes
as we go further back in time, back through Australopithecus where Homo
and Pan split off, and into Ardipithecus, and into Sahelanthropus to
Pieropithecus.... all the way back to Aegyptopithecus.

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[DanielSan]

Sudoku wrote:
> DanielSan wrote:
>
>> King7rook5 wrote:
>>
>>> The popular scientist Carl Sagan, for example, once stated in an
>>> interview: “If you look into science you will find a sense of
>>> intricacy, depth, and exquisite beauty which, I believe, is much more
>>> powerful than the offerings of any bureaucratic religion.” Then he
>>> added: “I would not even object to saying that the sense of awe
>>> before the grandeur of nature is itself a religious experience.”
>>
>>
>> I guess pizza is a religion, too. I once had a pizza so great that it
>> itself was a religious experience. Am I wrong?
>>
>
> your right.

So anything is a religion now?

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