Re: OT? A few pond questions

[Koi-Lo]

"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> While looking at them, I noticed small wiggly things - a few mm
> long, seethrough apart from black dots at each end. I guess I'll
> get lots of insects and suchlike, but should I care? Note, we
> don't really have a problem with mozzies in the UK ..........
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They sound like mozzies to me. If you aerate the water with a bubbler they
will not lay their eggs in the water. Also, an aerator will remove any
surface film. You can find these is any petshop. I'm assuming there's an
outdoor outlet nearby. Cover the airpump as they can't get wet or they'll
be ruined.
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[Flash Wilson]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:09:58 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:
>They sound like mozzies to me. If you aerate the water with a bubbler they
>will not lay their eggs in the water. Also, an aerator will remove any
>surface film. You can find these is any petshop. I'm assuming there's an
>outdoor outlet nearby. Cover the airpump as they can't get wet or they'll
>be ruined.

There's no outdoor power (or water, come to that).

's why I haven't tried to keep fish in it.

Thanks tho - I looked up mosquito larvae and they do look similar
but I read that the tadpoles will eat them - and that most species
of mozzie in the UK don't bite. Hmm.

Any other, non-powered, suggestions?

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"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:09:58 -0500, Koi-Lo >
> wrote:
>
> There's no outdoor power (or water, come to that).
> 's why I haven't tried to keep fish in it.

Oh, now that's a bummer.

> Thanks tho - I looked up mosquito larvae and they do look similar
> but I read that the tadpoles will eat them

The tadpoles we have here don't eat them.

- and that most species
> of mozzie in the UK don't bite. Hmm.

Geeze,... then you need to import some of ours. They're real
vampires....... :-)

> Any other, non-powered, suggestions?

When the water stays above 70 you can add a betta, or some other small fish
to keep the population down. I've been known to run 50' extension cords to
tubs and pools of fish. Cover the live end so it doesn't get wet. Make
sure you have a one of those safety outlets first so you don't have a
shocking experience.
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[Flash Wilson]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:16:21 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:
>"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
>> There's no outdoor power (or water, come to that).
>> 's why I haven't tried to keep fish in it.
>
>Oh, now that's a bummer.

Tell me about it :( I could run cables if we didn't close
the back door, but that's a security risk and also allows rats
into the kitchen. And I don't think my partner would tolerate
that!

>> Thanks tho - I looked up mosquito larvae and they do look similar
>> but I read that the tadpoles will eat them
>
>The tadpoles we have here don't eat them.

Hmmm, I read that toad tadpoles will eat them... can't find the reference
now, but it was a uk site. Could be midge larvae instead, we have loads
of midges but biting mozzies are relatively rare here. Which probably
explains why I can't find mosquito dunks on sale.

> - and that most species
>> of mozzie in the UK don't bite. Hmm.
>
>Geeze,... then you need to import some of ours. They're real
>vampires....... :-)

Yuk! I'll pass ;)

>> Any other, non-powered, suggestions?
>
>When the water stays above 70 you can add a betta, or some other small fish
>to keep the population down. I've been known to run 50' extension cords to
>tubs and pools of fish. Cover the live end so it doesn't get wet. Make
>sure you have a one of those safety outlets first so you don't have a
>shocking experience.

Oh, true... I have a female betta who would probably love a summer
holiday, I have found the best way to perk up a bored betta is to
find them somewhere else for a few weeks, and she's been watching
me as I type for a few years now.

Hmm, 70F = 20C

We do get above 20C but not usually for a solid week except in summer,
and then the nights won't be that warm. Maybe not such a good idea
after all... bother!

I wouldn't mind putting one or two small fish in, but they would need
to cope with unfiltered water (although loads of oxygenators in it)
and not grow big. And right now the nights are dropping to 8C
(er, that's 45F I think?) so I don't know what fish would suit, if any.
I know loads of people with fish in their ponds, but I don't know
anyone with 130 litre barrels, so I wouldn't want to copy them
without research!

Well, the toad tadpoles are still alive and growing, anyway, so
something must be going ok ;)

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[Altum]

Flash Wilson wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:16:21 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:
>> "Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> There's no outdoor power (or water, come to that).
>>> 's why I haven't tried to keep fish in it.
>> Oh, now that's a bummer.
>
> Tell me about it :( I could run cables if we didn't close
> the back door, but that's a security risk and also allows rats
> into the kitchen. And I don't think my partner would tolerate
> that!
>
>>> Thanks tho - I looked up mosquito larvae and they do look similar
>>> but I read that the tadpoles will eat them
>> The tadpoles we have here don't eat them.
>
> Hmmm, I read that toad tadpoles will eat them... can't find the reference
> now, but it was a uk site. Could be midge larvae instead, we have loads
> of midges but biting mozzies are relatively rare here. Which probably
> explains why I can't find mosquito dunks on sale.
>
>> - and that most species
>>> of mozzie in the UK don't bite. Hmm.
>> Geeze,... then you need to import some of ours. They're real
>> vampires....... :-)
>
> Yuk! I'll pass ;)
>
>>> Any other, non-powered, suggestions?
>> When the water stays above 70 you can add a betta, or some other small fish
>> to keep the population down. I've been known to run 50' extension cords to
>> tubs and pools of fish. Cover the live end so it doesn't get wet. Make
>> sure you have a one of those safety outlets first so you don't have a
>> shocking experience.

There are small solar pumps and aerators if you have enough direct sun.

> Oh, true... I have a female betta who would probably love a summer
> holiday, I have found the best way to perk up a bored betta is to
> find them somewhere else for a few weeks, and she's been watching
> me as I type for a few years now.
>
> Hmm, 70F = 20C
>
> We do get above 20C but not usually for a solid week except in summer,
> and then the nights won't be that warm. Maybe not such a good idea
> after all... bother!
>
> I wouldn't mind putting one or two small fish in, but they would need
> to cope with unfiltered water (although loads of oxygenators in it)
> and not grow big. And right now the nights are dropping to 8C
> (er, that's 45F I think?) so I don't know what fish would suit, if any.
> I know loads of people with fish in their ponds, but I don't know
> anyone with 130 litre barrels, so I wouldn't want to copy them
> without research!

White clouds (gold ones are visible from above), Gambusia, or rosy red
minnows are your best bet. Gambusia will disappear because they're dark
on top but they're good at eating mosquito larvae and nearly
indestructable. The other option is to dip them out and feed them to
your tropicals.

> Well, the toad tadpoles are still alive and growing, anyway, so
> something must be going ok ;)
>

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[Flash Wilson]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:33:42 GMT, Altum > wrote:
>There are small solar pumps and aerators if you have enough direct sun.

Ooh - I'll look into that, never realised they existed! Thanks.

>White clouds (gold ones are visible from above), Gambusia, or rosy red
>minnows are your best bet. Gambusia will disappear because they're dark
>on top but they're good at eating mosquito larvae and nearly
>indestructable. The other option is to dip them out and feed them to
>your tropicals.

I thought about white clouds, I presume I'd need to fish them out and
overwinter them indoors? But if they'd be ok from Spring to Autumn
then that could be a good idea.

As far as I'm aware, they are the only small coldwater fish I can
get - the rest are goldfish or koi. I've read about gambusia but
not seen them here.

Thanks very much!
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[Koi-Lo]

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"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:16:21 -0500, Koi-Lo >
> wrote:
>>"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
>>> There's no outdoor power (or water, come to that).
>>> 's why I haven't tried to keep fish in it.
>>
>>Oh, now that's a bummer.
>
> Tell me about it :( I could run cables if we didn't close
> the back door, but that's a security risk and also allows rats
> into the kitchen. And I don't think my partner would tolerate
> that!

And I wouldn't blame her. :-( Here snakes and possums would come in. We
have "safe" outlets outside the house.

>>> Thanks tho - I looked up mosquito larvae and they do look similar
>>> but I read that the tadpoles will eat them
>>
>>The tadpoles we have here don't eat them.
>
> Hmmm, I read that toad tadpoles will eat them... can't find the reference
> now, but it was a uk site. Could be midge larvae instead, we have loads
> of midges but biting mozzies are relatively rare here. Which probably
> explains why I can't find mosquito dunks on sale.

Wow, you are really lucky. I'm surprised none were ever accidentally
imported to the UK. When we have too many tads in a particular pond or tank
I feed them flake food which they love - until I can relocate them to a
nearby lake.

>>Geeze,... then you need to import some of ours. They're real
>>vampires....... :-)

> Yuk! I'll pass ;)

>>
>>When the water stays above 70 you can add a betta, or some other small
>>fish
>>to keep the population down. I've been known to run 50' extension cords
>>to
>>tubs and pools of fish. Cover the live end so it doesn't get wet. Make
>>sure you have a one of those safety outlets first so you don't have a
>>shocking experience.
>
> Oh, true... I have a female betta who would probably love a summer
> holiday, I have found the best way to perk up a bored betta is to
> find them somewhere else for a few weeks, and she's been watching
> me as I type for a few years now.
>
> Hmm, 70F = 20C

Realize she may be eaten by a frog. Some frogs find fish a nice snack.
Consider a small feeder goldfish. They'll tolerate the cold water and are
faster than bettas. I didn't think when I mentioned bettas - tadpoles =
frogs.

> We do get above 20C but not usually for a solid week except in summer,
> and then the nights won't be that warm. Maybe not such a good idea
> after all... bother!

Go with the feeder goldfish. You must live in a very cold place.

> I wouldn't mind putting one or two small fish in, but they would need
> to cope with unfiltered water (although loads of oxygenators in it)
> and not grow big. And right now the nights are dropping to 8C
> (er, that's 45F I think?) so I don't know what fish would suit, if any.
> I know loads of people with fish in their ponds, but I don't know
> anyone with 130 litre barrels, so I wouldn't want to copy them
> without research!

As long as the water isn't foul and stagnant with dead leaves and other
trash a small goldfish would survive. I keep one in each of my barrels and
no longer aerate them. The electric cord across the lawn was causing too
much trouble.

> Well, the toad tadpoles are still alive and growing, anyway, so
> something must be going ok ;)

Sounds good. We have some with legs already. They're bullfrog tads from
last year. I relocate most to the lake. Keep us updated! :-)
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
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[Koi-Lo]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:50:51 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
wrote:
Note there are in deed two Koi-Lo's on this and many other forums,
however one is a real kook the other knows what is what with fish and
ponds..........So the question is, do you feel lucky.........like to
gamble? Better suggestion go to a web based forum such as
http://koiphen.com, and get some real answers to any questins on fish
and not have to put up with bull**** from Carol and her army of
sockpuppets.......
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Aquariums since 1956.
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"Koi-Lo " > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:50:51 -0500, "Koi-Lo" >
> wrote:
> Note there are in deed two Koi-Lo's on this and many other forums,
> however one is a real kook the other knows what is what with fish and
> ponds..........So the question is, do you feel lucky.........like to
> gamble? Better suggestion go to a web based forum such as
> http://koiphen.com, and get some real answers to any questins on fish
> and not have to put up with bull**** from Carol and her army of
> sockpuppets.......
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1982.
> Aquariums since 1956.
> Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds.
> But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo.
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[Flash Wilson]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:50:51 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:
>"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
>> Tell me about it :( I could run cables if we didn't close
>> the back door, but that's a security risk and also allows rats
>> into the kitchen. And I don't think my partner would tolerate
>> that!
>
>And I wouldn't blame her. :-( Here snakes and possums would come in. We
>have "safe" outlets outside the house.

My partner's a him... I'm a her :)

Snakes and possums...! Blimey. We have squirrels and rats :)

>Wow, you are really lucky. I'm surprised none were ever accidentally
>imported to the UK. When we have too many tads in a particular pond or tank
>I feed them flake food which they love - until I can relocate them to a
>nearby lake.

Well, I only got about 70, of which 20 hang about where I can see them
(I don't know if this means 50 didn't like being moved, or if they are
better at hiding than the others - guess I'll find out!)

I'll try them on flake - but crumbled small because I think they
are a bit too tiny for big bits!

>> Hmm, 70F = 20C
>
>Realize she may be eaten by a frog. Some frogs find fish a nice snack.
>Consider a small feeder goldfish. They'll tolerate the cold water and are
>faster than bettas. I didn't think when I mentioned bettas - tadpoles =
>frogs.

Ahhhh... worth knowing. I popped out today to look for some white
clouds (which can overwinter indoors) but none of the shops here
have them. Someone offered me shiners and a clam!

I might wait until the tadpoles are a bit bigger, although I heard
that toads taste nasty and don't get eaten? Certainly the ones I
have came from my neighbour's koi pond.

>> We do get above 20C but not usually for a solid week except in summer,
>> and then the nights won't be that warm. Maybe not such a good idea
>> after all... bother!
>
>Go with the feeder goldfish. You must live in a very cold place.

I live in London! but it can be cold, we certainly only get a few
weeks of warm sun and then it's cold at night (as I find out when
camping)... we never get much snow though, no fair!

>As long as the water isn't foul and stagnant with dead leaves and other
>trash a small goldfish would survive. I keep one in each of my barrels and
>no longer aerate them. The electric cord across the lawn was causing too
>much trouble.

No, the water's fine - at least I think so. No trash, and my plants
are growing well. And after a good bit of rain this morning it was
nice and clear - none of that oily film I told you about.

>> Well, the toad tadpoles are still alive and growing, anyway, so
>> something must be going ok ;)
>
>Sounds good. We have some with legs already. They're bullfrog tads from
>last year. I relocate most to the lake. Keep us updated! :-)

Here we just have common toads, or natterjacks (more rarely).
I think my friend's spawn was a mixture, so I'm waiting to see
what mine become.

Thanks for the advice, sorry for all the newbie questions, but it
is exciting :) I never had tadpoles as a kid!
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[Koi-Lo]

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"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:50:51 -0500, Koi-Lo >
> wrote:
>>"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
>>> Tell me about it :( I could run cables if we didn't close
>>> the back door, but that's a security risk and also allows rats
>>> into the kitchen. And I don't think my partner would tolerate
>>> that!
>>
>>And I wouldn't blame her. :-( Here snakes and possums would come in. We
>>have "safe" outlets outside the house.
>
> My partner's a him... I'm a her :)

Whoops - sorry! I couldn't tell by your NYM.

> Snakes and possums...! Blimey. We have squirrels and rats :)

No rats out here in the country. Our squirrels and other wildlife don't
usually come into our homes. I have heard of a few raccoons that wandered
into people's homes.

>>Wow, you are really lucky. I'm surprised none were ever accidentally
>>imported to the UK. When we have too many tads in a particular pond or
>>tank
>>I feed them flake food which they love - until I can relocate them to a
>>nearby lake.

> Well, I only got about 70, of which 20 hang about where I can see them
> (I don't know if this means 50 didn't like being moved, or if they are
> better at hiding than the others - guess I'll find out!)
>
> I'll try them on flake - but crumbled small because I think they
> are a bit too tiny for big bits!

Crumble it to a size they can eat. The eat upside-down when eating flakes
and do well on them.

>>> Hmm, 70F = 20C
>>
>>Realize she may be eaten by a frog. Some frogs find fish a nice snack.
>>Consider a small feeder goldfish. They'll tolerate the cold water and are
>>faster than bettas. I didn't think when I mentioned bettas - tadpoles =
>>frogs.

> Ahhhh... worth knowing. I popped out today to look for some white
> clouds (which can overwinter indoors) but none of the shops here
> have them. Someone offered me shiners and a clam!

Shiners can tolerate the cold, or at least ours (USA) can. Rosy-reds can as
well, but do better in moving water.

> I might wait until the tadpoles are a bit bigger, although I heard
> that toads taste nasty and don't get eaten? Certainly the ones I
> have came from my neighbour's koi pond.

Then they might be toads.

>>
>>Go with the feeder goldfish. You must live in a very cold place.

> I live in London! but it can be cold, we certainly only get a few
> weeks of warm sun and then it's cold at night (as I find out when
> camping)... we never get much snow though, no fair!

Eeeeek! I don't think I'd like your climate. Here the nights warm up in
early May and stay that way until the end of Sept. The nights can be as hot
and muggy as the days. We don't get much snow either. We have dry summers,
getting most of our rain on the off-season.

>>Sounds good. We have some with legs already. They're bullfrog tads from
>>last year. I relocate most to the lake. Keep us updated! :-)
>
> Here we just have common toads, or natterjacks (more rarely).
> I think my friend's spawn was a mixture, so I'm waiting to see
> what mine become.

For being in a city I'm surprised you have toads. When I lived in NYC I
never saw a frog or toad there. There were rabbits and Chinese pheasants in
one large cemetery.

> Thanks for the advice, sorry for all the newbie questions, but it
> is exciting :) I never had tadpoles as a kid!

I'm glad you're enjoying your new hobby. :-)) I've about gone wild with
mine, adding more indoor tanks and outdoor ponds.... I love it!


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[Flash Wilson]

On Mon, 1 May 2006 10:24:23 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:
>For being in a city I'm surprised you have toads. When I lived in NYC I
>never saw a frog or toad there. There were rabbits and Chinese pheasants in
>one large cemetery.

My neighbours across the road have newts, toads and frogs!
Although I live in an inner-city area there are still green spaces
and although we have small gardens, there's still room for wildlife.
Just as well, or I might go mad! At one end of my road is a train
station, and a few hundred yards away at the other end is ancient
woodland... which is where I take the dog every morning.

>I'm glad you're enjoying your new hobby. :-)) I've about gone wild with
>mine, adding more indoor tanks and outdoor ponds.... I love it!

No more room indoors, but I can see that in time the outdoor
wetness might miraculously duplicate ;)

Thanks for the help. Hopefully I'll be ok for a bit now :)
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[Koi-Lo]

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"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 1 May 2006 10:24:23 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:
>>For being in a city I'm surprised you have toads. When I lived in NYC I
>>never saw a frog or toad there. There were rabbits and Chinese pheasants
>>in
>>one large cemetery.
>
> My neighbours across the road have newts, toads and frogs!
> Although I live in an inner-city area there are still green spaces
> and although we have small gardens, there's still room for wildlife.
> Just as well, or I might go mad! At one end of my road is a train
> station, and a few hundred yards away at the other end is ancient
> woodland... which is where I take the dog every morning.

Your location (near ancient woodland) sounds wonderful. :-))) I thought
London was wall to wall houses and businesses. See how wrong we can be?
But then some folks think NYC is all skyscrapers and high-rise apartment
buildings.

>>I'm glad you're enjoying your new hobby. :-)) I've about gone wild with
>>mine, adding more indoor tanks and outdoor ponds.... I love it!
>
> No more room indoors, but I can see that in time the outdoor
> wetness might miraculously duplicate ;)

I've had indoor fish since forever. But once I was out of the city, retired
and had the land..... in went the first pond!
>
> Thanks for the help. Hopefully I'll be ok for a bit now :)

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[Altum]

Flash Wilson wrote:

> Ahhhh... worth knowing. I popped out today to look for some white
> clouds (which can overwinter indoors) but none of the shops here
> have them. Someone offered me shiners and a clam!

Shiners would work fine and will stay smaller than goldfish. You may
not see them much, but they'll eat the mozzie larvae.

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[Flash Wilson]

On Mon, 01 May 2006 18:25:41 GMT, Altum > wrote:
>> Ahhhh... worth knowing. I popped out today to look for some white
>> clouds (which can overwinter indoors) but none of the shops here
>> have them. Someone offered me shiners and a clam!
>
>Shiners would work fine and will stay smaller than goldfish. You may
>not see them much, but they'll eat the mozzie larvae.

I'd never heard of them before (but then, I've always had tropicals)
- do they need something like a clam for a symbiotic relationship
or are they ok on their own? Can they overwinter like a goldie?
And will they eat toad taddies?

Sorry for the qs - and thanks! :)

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[Flash Wilson]

On Mon, 1 May 2006 13:03:40 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:
>Your location (near ancient woodland) sounds wonderful. :-))) I thought
>London was wall to wall houses and businesses. See how wrong we can be?
>But then some folks think NYC is all skyscrapers and high-rise apartment
>buildings.

I suppose I would think that of NYC, never having been there. Apart
from that park where John Lennon was killed. Shows how different
some things can be! I'm next to part of Epping Forest which until
recently had bulls grazing on the common ground, and which has loads
of wildlife, mainly foxes and badgers but loads of birds too.
And some gorgeous 1000 year old oak trees. All this at the end of my
road, but I also live 20 minutes commute from the city, and in a
100 yr old terraced house which is identical to every other road
around here... But I love it as you can tell.

A lot of people have (small) ponds but I could never convince the
bloke, til I found out about half barrels.

>I've had indoor fish since forever. But once I was out of the city, retired
>and had the land..... in went the first pond!

Wow - lucky you!

I'm also disabled, which means I can't do much maintenance /
gardening and can just about lift a 10 litre bucket of water
(but don't tell my doctor I did it!) - so I guess there is an
element of making sure I keep my plans realistic. My bloke
doesn't mind lifting buckets for me once in a while but he
would never dig out a whole pond!

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[Gill Passman]

Flash Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, 1 May 2006 13:03:40 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:
>
>>Your location (near ancient woodland) sounds wonderful. :-))) I thought
>>London was wall to wall houses and businesses. See how wrong we can be?
>>But then some folks think NYC is all skyscrapers and high-rise apartment
>>buildings.
>
>
> I suppose I would think that of NYC, never having been there. Apart
> from that park where John Lennon was killed. Shows how different
> some things can be! I'm next to part of Epping Forest which until
> recently had bulls grazing on the common ground, and which has loads
> of wildlife, mainly foxes and badgers but loads of birds too.
> And some gorgeous 1000 year old oak trees. All this at the end of my
> road, but I also live 20 minutes commute from the city, and in a
> 100 yr old terraced house which is identical to every other road
> around here... But I love it as you can tell.
>
> A lot of people have (small) ponds but I could never convince the
> bloke, til I found out about half barrels.
>
>
>>I've had indoor fish since forever. But once I was out of the city, retired
>>and had the land..... in went the first pond!
>
>
> Wow - lucky you!
>
> I'm also disabled, which means I can't do much maintenance /
> gardening and can just about lift a 10 litre bucket of water
> (but don't tell my doctor I did it!) - so I guess there is an
> element of making sure I keep my plans realistic. My bloke
> doesn't mind lifting buckets for me once in a while but he
> would never dig out a whole pond!
>

OMG - another Essex girl!!!!! Moved out at 6 months old but Essex born
and bred and went back year after year to visit family....woops where
are those white stilletos????

He, he

Gill

[Altum]

Flash Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, 01 May 2006 18:25:41 GMT, Altum > wrote:
>>> Ahhhh... worth knowing. I popped out today to look for some white
>>> clouds (which can overwinter indoors) but none of the shops here
>>> have them. Someone offered me shiners and a clam!
>> Shiners would work fine and will stay smaller than goldfish. You may
>> not see them much, but they'll eat the mozzie larvae.
>
> I'd never heard of them before (but then, I've always had tropicals)
> - do they need something like a clam for a symbiotic relationship
> or are they ok on their own? Can they overwinter like a goldie?
> And will they eat toad taddies?
>
> Sorry for the qs - and thanks! :)

I'm guessing the "shiners" are red shiners or rainbow dace. Cyprinella
lutrensis or Notropis lutrensis are scientific names. I've never kept
them as pets but they're common bait fish and are very hardy in bait
buckets. They're native to North America and live as far north as South
Dakota and Minnesota so they must be pretty cold tolerant.

They certainly don't need clams. I have no idea about eating taddies.
Maybe someone's kept them as pets rather than bait and can comment. ;-)
FWIW, they're in the same family as goldfish and rosy reds and neither
of those are particularly predatory.

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"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 1 May 2006 13:03:40 -0500, Koi-Lo > wrote:
>>Your location (near ancient woodland) sounds wonderful. :-))) I thought
>>London was wall to wall houses and businesses. See how wrong we can be?
>>But then some folks think NYC is all skyscrapers and high-rise apartment
>>buildings.
=======================
> I suppose I would think that of NYC, never having been there. Apart
> from that park where John Lennon was killed.

That was so sad. That was Central Park in Manhattan. There are other parks
in the 5 boroughs but they contain little in the way of wildlife. I lived
in an area of all private, mid-sized, detached one family homes.

Shows how different
> some things can be! I'm next to part of Epping Forest which until
> recently had bulls grazing on the common ground, and which has loads
> of wildlife, mainly foxes and badgers but loads of birds too.

That sounds like the wooded property behind my house. Some one owns it so
it will not be developed any time soon. It's getting so built up around
here now I haven't seen a deer by my house in several years. We still have
rabbits, blue and red fox, gray and red squirrels, raccoons, possums, quail,
turkeys and a nice assortment of frogs, skinks, toads, snakes, lizards and
turtles. We also have water birds because we're near a lake.

> And some gorgeous 1000 year old oak trees. All this at the end of my
> road, but I also live 20 minutes commute from the city, and in a
> 100 yr old terraced house which is identical to every other road
> around here... But I love it as you can tell.

It sounds wonderful,... it truly does. :-)

> A lot of people have (small) ponds but I could never convince the
> bloke, til I found out about half barrels.
>
>>I've had indoor fish since forever. But once I was out of the city,
>>retired
>>and had the land..... in went the first pond!
>
> Wow - lucky you!

Well my husband didn't mind so why not? We have a little over an acre of
land so there's more than enough room. I started with a small in-ground
150g kiddy-pool lined with a black drop-cloth. Then the 3 barrels. I was a
goner.... the next summer I added the 800g in-ground, then the following
year the 2000g in-ground,.... then one 150g breeding pool after another
behind the house, then the 680g tanks..... and on and on and on......

> I'm also disabled, which means I can't do much maintenance /
> gardening and can just about lift a 10 litre bucket of water
> (but don't tell my doctor I did it!) - so I guess there is an
> element of making sure I keep my plans realistic. My bloke
> doesn't mind lifting buckets for me once in a while but he
> would never dig out a whole pond!

I dug the first one myself but someone from this NG came over and dug 80% of
the 2nd one. I had already started it. It was a trade. He gave his time
and labor, and I gave him all the plants he wanted plus a pot-roast dinner.
:-) I don't remember if he took fish as well. He felt it was a fair trade
and so did we.
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Aquariums since 1952.
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Koi-Lo]

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"Altum" > wrote in message
. com...
> FWIW, they're in the same family as goldfish and rosy reds and neither of
> those are particularly predatory.
==============
Rosy-reds don't eat tadpoles. If well fed they don't eat their fry either.
They will keep the mosquito larvae under control. We're having a population
explosion of Rosy-reds. I'm going to have to cull some of them this summer.
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Aquariums since 1952.
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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[Flash Wilson]

On Mon, 01 May 2006 22:04:52 +0100, Gill Passman
> wrote:
>OMG - another Essex girl!!!!! Moved out at 6 months old but Essex born
>and bred and went back year after year to visit family....woops where
>are those white stilletos????

Oi oi, where I live stopped being part of Essex in the 1960s!
It's London now, innit!

(And do you have a white leather miniskirt to match those shoes? :)




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[Gail Futoran]

"Flash Wilson" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:33:42 GMT, Altum > wrote:
>>There are small solar pumps and aerators if you have enough direct sun.
>
> Ooh - I'll look into that, never realised they existed! Thanks.

I just ordered one of the solar pumps online.
Prices vary a bit, but the least expensive are in the
US$70-100 range.

If you want a solar powered fountain kit, that's
more. These seem to be more available in the UK
than the USA. Note that while the solar panels
have a relatively long life span, I've read that
pumps and especially submersible filters for these
solar setups are good for only about a year.
It's best to do some research before spending
the money.
[snip]

Gail
near San Antonio TX Zone 8