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Mister Gardener

May 10th 06, 09:22 PM

On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:55:32 -0400, "Nikki"
> wrote:

>I was thinking about moving my Pl*co...at some point in the future he will
>go to the 120g but not yet, he is in a 39 high right now w/ gourami's 1
>adult 3 spotted, and 2 baby three spotted....I was thinking about moving him
>to my female betta tank because it is 40 long instead of high..but I don't
>know if they would get along or not..
>he does still have plenty of room where he is at, but if the environment
>would make no difference I would rather put him in the betta tank because
>there are more places for him to hang out, a bit more algae....does anyone
>know or has anyone ever kept a pl*co with female betta's
>Nik
>
If you are concerned about the pl*co mating with one of your female
bettas, I can pretty much assure you that you needn't worry about
that.

-- Mister Gardener
-- Pull the WEED to email me

Nikki

May 10th 06, 11:58 PM

"Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:55:32 -0400, "Nikki"
> > wrote:
>

>>
> If you are concerned about the pl*co mating with one of your female
> bettas, I can pretty much assure you that you needn't worry about
> that.
>
> -- Mister Gardener
> -- Pull the WEED to email me

mating?? no worried about the females bothering him, he seems to not like
fish around him all to much, the gourami's stay out of his way as much as
they can, I don't think my female betta's will as they are very nebby and
have to check everything out that is new in the tank, I had to take the
snail out because they kept knocking it over by hitting in to it while it
was climbing over the rocks..
Nik

Gill Passman

May 11th 06, 12:10 AM

Mister Gardener wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:55:32 -0400, "Nikki"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I was thinking about moving my Pl*co...at some point in the future he will
>>go to the 120g but not yet, he is in a 39 high right now w/ gourami's 1
>>adult 3 spotted, and 2 baby three spotted....I was thinking about moving him
>>to my female betta tank because it is 40 long instead of high..but I don't
>>know if they would get along or not..
>>he does still have plenty of room where he is at, but if the environment
>>would make no difference I would rather put him in the betta tank because
>>there are more places for him to hang out, a bit more algae....does anyone
>>know or has anyone ever kept a pl*co with female betta's
>>Nik
>>
>
> If you are concerned about the pl*co mating with one of your female
> bettas, I can pretty much assure you that you needn't worry about
> that.
>
> -- Mister Gardener
> -- Pull the WEED to email me

I would think that the major concern, if my Plecs are anything to go by,
is finding him, detaching him from his home and moving him without any
undue stress (probably mainly to you rather than him - lol). If he is
happy where he is and won't outgrow the tank - you don't say what type
of Plec he is....I would go and buy another plec for your 120gall
tank....less hassle for all involved....

Gill

-ED

May 11th 06, 12:36 AM

Could somebody catch me up on the shorthand used these days...I'm behind the
swing of things.
For example:
IMHO...in my humble opinion
IMO......in my opinion
Pl*co....??Pleco?? for plecaustimus??
HTH???
IIRC
Thanks abunch..
PS...Going into 2nd day of the Grand Accident Experiment...all tankmate
doing well thus far....-ED

Charles

May 11th 06, 12:40 AM

On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:36:37 GMT, "-ED" > wrote:

>
>Could somebody catch me up on the shorthand used these days...I'm behind the
>swing of things.
>For example:
>IMHO...in my humble opinion
>IMO......in my opinion
>Pl*co....??Pleco?? for plecaustimus??
>HTH???
hope this helps

>IIRC
If I recall correctly

>Thanks abunch..

TLA= three letter acronym

>PS...Going into 2nd day of the Grand Accident Experiment...all tankmate
>doing well thus far....-ED
>

Charles

May 11th 06, 12:41 AM

On Thu, 11 May 2006 00:10:29 +0100, Gill Passman
> wrote:

>Mister Gardener wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:55:32 -0400, "Nikki"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was thinking about moving my Pl*co...at some point in the future he will
>>>go to the 120g but not yet, he is in a 39 high right now w/ gourami's 1
>>>adult 3 spotted, and 2 baby three spotted....I was thinking about moving him
>>>to my female betta tank because it is 40 long instead of high..but I don't
>>>know if they would get along or not..
>>>he does still have plenty of room where he is at, but if the environment
>>>would make no difference I would rather put him in the betta tank because
>>>there are more places for him to hang out, a bit more algae....does anyone
>>>know or has anyone ever kept a pl*co with female betta's
>>>Nik
>>>
>>
>> If you are concerned about the pl*co mating with one of your female
>> bettas, I can pretty much assure you that you needn't worry about
>> that.
>>
>> -- Mister Gardener
>> -- Pull the WEED to email me
>
>I would think that the major concern, if my Plecs are anything to go by,
>is finding him, detaching him from his home and moving him without any
>undue stress (probably mainly to you rather than him - lol). If he is
>happy where he is and won't outgrow the tank - you don't say what type
>of Plec he is....I would go and buy another plec for your 120gall
>tank....less hassle for all involved....
>
>Gill

I have a cave for mine, pick up the cave and the pleco comes with it.
Or did, anyway, until I put him in the pond.

Altum

May 11th 06, 01:14 AM

Altum

May 11th 06, 01:19 AM

-ED wrote:
> Could somebody catch me up on the shorthand used these days...I'm behind the
> swing of things.
> For example:
> IMHO...in my humble opinion
> IMO......in my opinion
> Pl*co....??Pleco?? for plecaustimus??
> HTH???
> IIRC
> Thanks abunch..
> PS...Going into 2nd day of the Grand Accident Experiment...all tankmate
> doing well thus far....-ED
>
>
As for pl*co, it's a very old net curse. Many, many years ago (back
when this newsgroup was still rec.aquaria) people noticed that if they
wrote too much about their plecos, the fish died shortly thereafter.
Soon, a smart-alec started typing pl*co in the hopes that he would be
able to discuss his fish without it keeling over. Since we all love our
plecos, the idea caught and has been a charming quirk of rec.aquaria
ever since.

Don't talk about it too much, or you'll bring Mr. Gard*n*r around with
his asterisk gun and we'll all be covered in them.

--
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Nikki

May 11th 06, 01:50 AM

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...

>
> I would think that the major concern, if my Plecs are anything to go by,
> is finding him, detaching him from his home and moving him without any
> undue stress (probably mainly to you rather than him - lol). If he is
> happy where he is and won't outgrow the tank - you don't say what type of
> Plec he is....I would go and buy another plec for your 120gall
> tank....less hassle for all involved....
>
> Gill

Well someday he will *have* to go to the 120g only because he is a common
pl*co and I have seen them out grow 55g, and I have him in a 39h right now,
I got him when I noticed algae on the rocks and he fixed that up pretty
quick, one of the reasons I thought about moving him to my female betta tank
right now is there are a lot of caves, rocks and plants...places for him to
hide, which I thought he would like, but maybe I should leave him in the
gourami tank till he outgrows it then just put him in the 120g, I really did
not think about it stressing him but it might
thanks gill
Nik

-ED

May 11th 06, 01:58 AM

Nikki, what's the dimensions of your 120 gal, please ? -ED

Mister Gardener

May 11th 06, 12:51 PM

On Thu, 11 May 2006 00:14:49 GMT, Altum >
wrote:

>-ED wrote:
>> Could somebody catch me up on the shorthand used these days...I'm behind the
>> swing of things.
>> For example:
>> IMHO...in my humble opinion
>> IMO......in my opinion
>> Pl*co....??Pleco?? for plecaustimus??
>> HTH???
>> IIRC
>> Thanks abunch..
>> PS...Going into 2nd day of the Grand Accident Experiment...all tankmate
>> doing well thus far....-ED
>>
>>
>Try this.
>http://www.aquariumadvice.com/acronym.php

Ed - when you see a * in a word, it stands as a warning / reminder
that spelling out the complete word could bring great misfortune down
upon yourself and the fish that is asterisked. You will see this most
commonly in pl*co. Be forewarned.

-- Mister Gardener
-- Pull the WEED to email me

Mister Gardener

May 11th 06, 12:52 PM

On Thu, 11 May 2006 00:19:01 GMT, Altum >
wrote:

>-ED wrote:
>> Could somebody catch me up on the shorthand used these days...I'm behind the
>> swing of things.
>> For example:
>> IMHO...in my humble opinion
>> IMO......in my opinion
>> Pl*co....??Pleco?? for plecaustimus??
>> HTH???
>> IIRC
>> Thanks abunch..
>> PS...Going into 2nd day of the Grand Accident Experiment...all tankmate
>> doing well thus far....-ED
>>
>>
>As for pl*co, it's a very old net curse. Many, many years ago (back
>when this newsgroup was still rec.aquaria) people noticed that if they
>wrote too much about their plecos, the fish died shortly thereafter.
>Soon, a smart-alec started typing pl*co in the hopes that he would be
>able to discuss his fish without it keeling over. Since we all love our
>plecos, the idea caught and has been a charming quirk of rec.aquaria
>ever since.
>
>Don't talk about it too much, or you'll bring Mr. Gard*n*r around with
>his asterisk gun and we'll all be covered in them.
-- Mister Gardener
-- Pull the WEED to email me

-ED

May 11th 06, 01:11 PM

"Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 11 May 2006 00:14:49 GMT, Altum >
> wrote:
>
> >-ED wrote:
> >> Could somebody catch me up on the shorthand used these days...I'm
behind the
> >> swing of things.
> >> For example:
> >> IMHO...in my humble opinion
> >> IMO......in my opinion
> >> Pl*co....??Pleco?? for plecaustimus??
> >> HTH???
> >> IIRC
> >> Thanks abunch..
> >> PS...Going into 2nd day of the Grand Accident Experiment...all tankmate
> >> doing well thus far....-ED
> >>
> >>
> >Try this.
> >http://www.aquariumadvice.com/acronym.php
>
> Ed - when you see a * in a word, it stands as a warning / reminder
> that spelling out the complete word could bring great misfortune down
> upon yourself and the fish that is asterisked. You will see this most
> commonly in pl*co. Be forewarned.
>
Thanks again..on the lighter side, I was close on IMHO..honest
opinion...humble opinion. Top of the Morning to ya!

Nikki

May 11th 06, 02:22 PM

"-ED" > wrote in message
...
> Nikki, what's the dimensions of your 120 gal, please ? -ED
>
>

72" long
21" high
19" front to back

You made me scare my husband, all he seen was me measuring it.... "we are
not moving it...no way not again" I told him no someone wants to know the
size, he said oh ok.
Its a nice tank, we are still back and forth about what shall go into
it...he wants a cichlid tank, and I want to put angels in it, but we are
going to compromise, I will see if there are any cichlids that can go with
angels, or we will buy another tank for the angels....we have decided we are
going to make it a planted tank so I been spending a lot of time reading
about planting tanks, it has glass tops which is nice, however I got to be
careful I have almost broke the top pieces a few times now. it has lights
that go on top of the glass. He is making a thing so that you can put a
light behind it also, they will be attached to the oak stand.
Nik

Koi-Lo

May 11th 06, 02:38 PM

"Nikki" > wrote in message
...
it has lights
> that go on top of the glass. He is making a thing so that you can put a
> light behind it also, they will be attached to the oak stand.
==================
Check the wattage of the lights that came with the tank. Most of the time
(in my experience) they're not near bright enough to grow healthy plants.
--
Koi-Lo....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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-ED

May 11th 06, 03:01 PM

On Thu, 11 May 2006 08:22:34 -0500, Nikki >
wrote:

>
> "-ED" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Nikki, what's the dimensions of your 120 gal, please ? -ED
>>
>>
>
> 72" long
> 21" high
> 19" front to back
>
> You made me scare my husband, all he seen was me measuring it.... "we are
> not moving it...no way not again" I told him no someone wants to know the
> size, he said oh ok.
> Its a nice tank, we are still back and forth about what shall go into
> it...he wants a cichlid tank, and I want to put angels in it, but we are
> going to compromise, I will see if there are any cichlids that can go
> with
> angels, or we will buy another tank for the angels....we have decided we
> are
> going to make it a planted tank so I been spending a lot of time reading
> about planting tanks, it has glass tops which is nice, however I got to
> be
> careful I have almost broke the top pieces a few times now. it has lights
> that go on top of the glass. He is making a thing so that you can put a
> light behind it also, they will be attached to the oak stand.
> Nik
>
>
I worked with lighting effects all the time in the past.. With trial and
error placements, you can create extremely dramatic effects that go far
beyond tranquil. Of course, your live plants will not appreciate it, but
for silk and plastic decor, lighting is limited by your imagination and
creativity. My tank lids have the recess for the flourescent hoods. I
run tin foil the length of these recesses and scrape littles holes of
random patterning for the light to 'Beam' through. The end result
portrays a soft light beaming through tree tops, and with the rippling
water surface, you get a light dance on your decor. And you can scrape a
hole so light would fall on a particular plant or area of pride in your
'scaping. It's a matter of taste and option. But, I won't have an algae
problem- you can count on it. The bright lights just glaring down on the
tank reminds me of a lab tank or a retailer's tank. If you don't use a
mural backing, you can have loads of fun bending and angling light and
come up with countless effects that are forever cool. Same effects as a
roaring fireplace in the wintertime. I don't use a back cover, and I have
the perimeter lights running around the living room(about 3 feet from the
floor). It throws a soft glow with the light source starting down and
fading towards the top...kinda like the horizon on a metropolitan...take
care.

--
Thanks-ED

Mister Gardener

May 11th 06, 03:02 PM

On Thu, 11 May 2006 09:22:34 -0400, "Nikki"
> wrote:

>
>"-ED" > wrote in message
...
>> Nikki, what's the dimensions of your 120 gal, please ? -ED
>>
>>
>
>72" long
>21" high
>19" front to back
>
>You made me scare my husband, all he seen was me measuring it.... "we are
>not moving it...no way not again" I told him no someone wants to know the
>size, he said oh ok.
>Its a nice tank, we are still back and forth about what shall go into
>it...he wants a cichlid tank, and I want to put angels in it, but we are
>going to compromise, I will see if there are any cichlids that can go with
>angels, or we will buy another tank for the angels....we have decided we are
>going to make it a planted tank so I been spending a lot of time reading
>about planting tanks, it has glass tops which is nice, however I got to be
>careful I have almost broke the top pieces a few times now. it has lights
>that go on top of the glass. He is making a thing so that you can put a
>light behind it also, they will be attached to the oak stand.
>Nik
>
If you're thinking cichlids as in African, forget trying to house them
with the angels. Give the angels a home of their own, with some quiet
little south americans - pencil fish in a school of a dozen are
gorgeous. Apistogrammas as in Ramirez Dwarf Cichlid are also a perfect
match - though many people are having trouble keeping them alive more
than 6 months. Please continue making me jealous, the pain is
wonderful.

-- Mister Gardener
-- Pull the WEED to email me

Nikki

May 11th 06, 09:43 PM

"Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 11 May 2006 09:22:34 -0400, "Nikki"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"-ED" > wrote in message
...
>>> Nikki, what's the dimensions of your 120 gal, please ? -ED
>>>
>>>
>>
>>72" long
>>21" high
>>19" front to back
>>
>>You made me scare my husband, all he seen was me measuring it.... "we are
>>not moving it...no way not again" I told him no someone wants to know the
>>size, he said oh ok.
>>Its a nice tank, we are still back and forth about what shall go into
>>it...he wants a cichlid tank, and I want to put angels in it, but we are
>>going to compromise, I will see if there are any cichlids that can go with
>>angels, or we will buy another tank for the angels....we have decided we
>>are
>>going to make it a planted tank so I been spending a lot of time reading
>>about planting tanks, it has glass tops which is nice, however I got to be
>>careful I have almost broke the top pieces a few times now. it has lights
>>that go on top of the glass. He is making a thing so that you can put a
>>light behind it also, they will be attached to the oak stand.
>>Nik
>>
> If you're thinking cichlids as in African, forget trying to house them
> with the angels. Give the angels a home of their own, with some quiet
> little south americans - pencil fish in a school of a dozen are
> gorgeous. Apistogrammas as in Ramirez Dwarf Cichlid are also a perfect
> match - though many people are having trouble keeping them alive more
> than 6 months. Please continue making me jealous, the pain is
> wonderful.
>
>
> -- Mister Gardener
> -- Pull the WEED to email me

No not African (at least i dont think), up at oddball he has cichlids I have
never seen before in other pet stores, very neat ones, I will have to email
him and ask some of the names, and I will let you know...maybe you can tell
me what I am able to put with them. Like I was saying the only thing we
agree on is... we want a planted tank...I want lots of plants.... so I been
doing lots of reading.
I really did not spend a lot of money up at oddball that day, I seen your
comment...It was a mothers day present, I got fish, tank plants (we got a
bunch of these tall plants for the angels) And he built me a place for my
house plants, strip of lights, high watts, then this circle thing that goes
below the plants and it releases this white mist, looks like fog ..any way
has to do with humidity for the plants, seems to work well...plants are
growing like crazy, so i also got more house plants for mothers day..
Nik
Angels are doing well so far...them seem to have taken over the gourami tank
(temp home) i was worried but they seem to be fine, one was chasing one of
my baby gourami's, i think i will get some more if i do ok with these guys
"fingers crossed".

Quick question, i was at a petstore the other day, looking at tank platns, i
seen devils ivy in a tank, i know house plants and i am 100% sure that is
what it was, i came home and looked it up and read people do put it in their
fish tanks and it lives, of course i also read other places that its a bad
idea, which i tend to agree with, what do you guys think about that. I have
stuck it in to root before but not with leaves under water only the bottom
and root.
Nik

Mister Gardener

May 11th 06, 11:40 PM

On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:43:37 -0400, "Nikki"
> wrote:

>
>"Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 11 May 2006 09:22:34 -0400, "Nikki"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"-ED" > wrote in message
...
>>>> Nikki, what's the dimensions of your 120 gal, please ? -ED
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>72" long
>>>21" high
>>>19" front to back
>>>
>>>You made me scare my husband, all he seen was me measuring it.... "we are
>>>not moving it...no way not again" I told him no someone wants to know the
>>>size, he said oh ok.
>>>Its a nice tank, we are still back and forth about what shall go into
>>>it...he wants a cichlid tank, and I want to put angels in it, but we are
>>>going to compromise, I will see if there are any cichlids that can go with
>>>angels, or we will buy another tank for the angels....we have decided we
>>>are
>>>going to make it a planted tank so I been spending a lot of time reading
>>>about planting tanks, it has glass tops which is nice, however I got to be
>>>careful I have almost broke the top pieces a few times now. it has lights
>>>that go on top of the glass. He is making a thing so that you can put a
>>>light behind it also, they will be attached to the oak stand.
>>>Nik
>>>
>> If you're thinking cichlids as in African, forget trying to house them
>> with the angels. Give the angels a home of their own, with some quiet
>> little south americans - pencil fish in a school of a dozen are
>> gorgeous. Apistogrammas as in Ramirez Dwarf Cichlid are also a perfect
>> match - though many people are having trouble keeping them alive more
>> than 6 months. Please continue making me jealous, the pain is
>> wonderful.
>>
>>
>> -- Mister Gardener
>> -- Pull the WEED to email me
>
>No not African (at least i dont think), up at oddball he has cichlids I have
>never seen before in other pet stores, very neat ones, I will have to email
>him and ask some of the names, and I will let you know...maybe you can tell
>me what I am able to put with them. Like I was saying the only thing we
>agree on is... we want a planted tank...I want lots of plants.... so I been
>doing lots of reading.
>I really did not spend a lot of money up at oddball that day, I seen your
>comment...It was a mothers day present, I got fish, tank plants (we got a
>bunch of these tall plants for the angels) And he built me a place for my
>house plants, strip of lights, high watts, then this circle thing that goes
>below the plants and it releases this white mist, looks like fog ..any way
>has to do with humidity for the plants, seems to work well...plants are
>growing like crazy, so i also got more house plants for mothers day..
>Nik
>Angels are doing well so far...them seem to have taken over the gourami tank
>(temp home) i was worried but they seem to be fine, one was chasing one of
>my baby gourami's, i think i will get some more if i do ok with these guys
>"fingers crossed".
>
>Quick question, i was at a petstore the other day, looking at tank platns, i
>seen devils ivy in a tank, i know house plants and i am 100% sure that is
>what it was, i came home and looked it up and read people do put it in their
>fish tanks and it lives, of course i also read other places that its a bad
>idea, which i tend to agree with, what do you guys think about that. I have
>stuck it in to root before but not with leaves under water only the bottom
>and root.
>Nik
>
Not much help here. I doubt that it will hurt your fish, but I also
doubt that it will live very long. Philodendron is the only house
plant I know of that people have been keeping growing next to
aquariums with the leaves in the water.

-- Mister Gardener
-- Pull the WEED to email me

Nikki

May 12th 06, 01:11 AM

"Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:43:37 -0400, "Nikki"
> > wrote:

> Not much help here. I doubt that it will hurt your fish, but I also
> doubt that it will live very long. Philodendron is the only house
> plant I know of that people have been keeping growing next to
> aquariums with the leaves in the water.
>
> -- Mister Gardener
> -- Pull the WEED to email me

Yes I would not do it myself (keep the entire plant underwater) but I am
sure it was devils ivy I seen in that tank at the store, which is why I
looked it up....I do however stick clippings in my fishtank water because
they root a lot quicker.
I have been watering some of my plants with tank water only and others using
miracle grow to see which do better, in the end I will more then likely do
both but I am wondering.
Nik

Koi-Lo

May 12th 06, 02:33 AM

"Nikki" > wrote in message
. ..
> I have been watering some of my plants with tank water only and others
> using miracle grow to see which do better, in the end I will more then
> likely do both but I am wondering.
===========================
I add the Miracle Grow or Peter's to the used fish water at 1/2 or less of
the recommended dose. My plants are thriving as can be seen on my website.
--
Koi-Lo....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

Mister Gardener

May 12th 06, 12:11 PM

On Thu, 11 May 2006 20:11:40 -0400, "Nikki"
> wrote:

>
>"Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:43:37 -0400, "Nikki"
>> > wrote:
>
>> Not much help here. I doubt that it will hurt your fish, but I also
>> doubt that it will live very long. Philodendron is the only house
>> plant I know of that people have been keeping growing next to
>> aquariums with the leaves in the water.
>>
>> -- Mister Gardener
>> -- Pull the WEED to email me
>
>Yes I would not do it myself (keep the entire plant underwater) but I am
>sure it was devils ivy I seen in that tank at the store, which is why I
>looked it up....I do however stick clippings in my fishtank water because
>they root a lot quicker.
>I have been watering some of my plants with tank water only and others using
>miracle grow to see which do better, in the end I will more then likely do
>both but I am wondering.
>Nik
>
The miracle grow will give the fastest results, but keep in mind how
many barrels of precious petroleum it required to manufacture that
little can of instant grow. I've forgotten the numbers, but chemical
fertilizers require a lot of oil and natural gas to produce. By using
tank water you are saving oil and helping someone's car to run another
mile.

-- Mister Gardener
-- Pull the WEED to email me

-ED

May 12th 06, 01:01 PM

On Fri, 12 May 2006 06:11:34 -0500, Mister Gardener
> wrote:

> On Thu, 11 May 2006 20:11:40 -0400, "Nikki"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:43:37 -0400, "Nikki"
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Not much help here. I doubt that it will hurt your fish, but I also
>>> doubt that it will live very long. Philodendron is the only house
>>> plant I know of that people have been keeping growing next to
>>> aquariums with the leaves in the water.
>>>
>>> -- Mister Gardener
>>> -- Pull the WEED to email me
>>
>> Yes I would not do it myself (keep the entire plant underwater) but Iam
>> sure it was devils ivy I seen in that tank at the store, which is whyI
>> looked it up....I do however stick clippings in my fishtank water
>> because
>> they root a lot quicker.
>> I have been watering some of my plants with tank water only and others
>> using
>> miracle grow to see which do better, in the end I will more then likely
>> do
>> both but I am wondering.
>> Nik
>>
> The miracle grow will give the fastest results, but keep in mind how
> many barrels of precious petroleum it required to manufacture that
> little can of instant grow. I've forgotten the numbers, but chemical
> fertilizers require a lot of oil and natural gas to produce. By using
> tank water you are saving oil and helping someone's car to run another
> mile.
>
> -- Mister Gardener
> -- Pull the WEED to email me
Its good to remind us of the bigger picture. We get so consumed in our
daily needs(wants) that we lose sight of the costs of our vanities. Top
of the Morning to Ya'

--
Thanks-ED

Gill Passman

May 12th 06, 01:10 PM

-ED wrote:
> Its good to remind us of the bigger picture. We get so consumed in our
> daily needs(wants) that we lose sight of the costs of our vanities.
> Top of the Morning to Ya'
>
>

You are so right here....today I woke up to no running water - how
easily we come to take having water provided straight into our homes on
tap....My whole day had been planned around having this basic commodity
- garden, water changes on the tanks, washing etc. etc. and I couldn't
even get a drink out of the tap - Luckily for me it was temporary (I
think it is back on now at very low pressure) but it did make me think
how lucky we are and how much we come to take such things for granted....

To get back on topic - all of the water from my water changes goes on
the terrestial plants - since doing this I've not found any need to use
additional ferts...(although I do use them in the tanks)

Gill

Nikki

May 12th 06, 02:31 PM

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> -ED wrote:
>> Its good to remind us of the bigger picture. We get so consumed in our
>> daily needs(wants) that we lose sight of the costs of our vanities. Top
>> of the Morning to Ya'
>>
>>
>
> You are so right here....today I woke up to no running water - how easily
> we come to take having water provided straight into our homes on tap....My
> whole day had been planned around having this basic commodity - garden,
> water changes on the tanks, washing etc. etc. and I couldn't even get a
> drink out of the tap - Luckily for me it was temporary (I think it is back
> on now at very low pressure) but it did make me think how lucky we are and
> how much we come to take such things for granted....
>
> To get back on topic - all of the water from my water changes goes on the
> terrestial plants - since doing this I've not found any need to use
> additional ferts...(although I do use them in the tanks)
>
> Gill

I have a couple plants that if I don't use miracle grow in they don't do
well, however most of the others do.
I have a purple "velvet" passion who is hanging on my porch and hangs at
least 4 foot down to the ground, I should clip it but its so pretty....I do
much better with house plants rather then fish tank plants, hope i can get
there with the 120g, some time in the future
Nik

Koi-Lo

May 12th 06, 03:24 PM

"Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
...
> The miracle grow will give the fastest results, but keep in mind how
> many barrels of precious petroleum it required to manufacture that
> little can of instant grow. I've forgotten the numbers, but chemical
> fertilizers require a lot of oil and natural gas to produce. By using
> tank water you are saving oil and helping someone's car to run another
> mile.
========================
But if there are plants in your tanks I would think they already removed
most of the nutrients house plants need. That's why I add some to the old
tank water I use on my houseplants.
--
Koi-Lo....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

Koi-Lo

May 12th 06, 03:28 PM

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> You are so right here....today I woke up to no running water - how easily
> we come to take having water provided straight into our homes on tap....My
> whole day had been planned around having this basic commodity - garden,
> water changes on the tanks, washing etc. etc. and I couldn't even get a
> drink out of the tap ...........
====================================
I don't know what you get milk or distilled water in there in the UK, but we
get it in plastic 1g containers. I rinse them and save at least 10g of
water for when we lose ours. Since they ran all new pipes a few years ago
it's not happening anywhere near as often.
--
Koi-Lo....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

Nikki

May 12th 06, 04:39 PM

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The miracle grow will give the fastest results, but keep in mind how
>> many barrels of precious petroleum it required to manufacture that
>> little can of instant grow. I've forgotten the numbers, but chemical
>> fertilizers require a lot of oil and natural gas to produce. By using
>> tank water you are saving oil and helping someone's car to run another
>> mile.
> ========================
> But if there are plants in your tanks I would think they already removed
> most of the nutrients house plants need. That's why I add some to the old
> tank water I use on my houseplants.
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Aquariums since 1952.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>
>
for some odd reason in the past two months i wake up with brown water at
least a couple times a week, dont last long but still not want you want to
wake up to.
Nik

May 12th 06, 04:45 PM

hmmmm, sounds like your having a phantom Carol aka koi lo visit the
tanks at night.......to take a bath
On Fri, 12 May 2006 11:39:22 -0400, "Nikki"
> wrote:
>><>
>><>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>><>>
>><>> "Mister Gardener" > wrote in message
>><>> ...
>><>>> The miracle grow will give the fastest results, but keep in mind how
>><>>> many barrels of precious petroleum it required to manufacture that
>><>>> little can of instant grow. I've forgotten the numbers, but chemical
>><>>> fertilizers require a lot of oil and natural gas to produce. By using
>><>>> tank water you are saving oil and helping someone's car to run another
>><>>> mile.
>><>> ========================
>><>> But if there are plants in your tanks I would think they already removed
>><>> most of the nutrients house plants need. That's why I add some to the old
>><>> tank water I use on my houseplants.
>><>> --
>><>> Koi-Lo....
>><>> Aquariums since 1952.
>><>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>><>> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>><>> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>><>>
>><>>
>><>for some odd reason in the past two months i wake up with brown water at
>><>least a couple times a week, dont last long but still not want you want to
>><>wake up to.
>><>Nik
>><>

==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder.."Since my statements are
given freely, take em or leave em, I am entitled to
my opinion none the less. My opinion and $1 is still
only worth $1.....
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ }<(((((o>

Koi-Lo

May 12th 06, 05:14 PM

*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.

"Nikki" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> But if there are plants in your tanks I would think they already removed
>> most of the nutrients house plants need. That's why I add some to the
>> old tank water I use on my houseplants.
========================================
> for some odd reason in the past two months i wake up with brown water at
> least a couple times a week,

Do you know what the color is from? Do you have some new decoration that
may be leeching color?

dont last long but still not want you want to
> wake up to.

I would think not. :-( The water in my tanks gets a slight yellow cast
around water-change time.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

Nikki

May 12th 06, 06:25 PM

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
> *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.
>
> "Nikki" > wrote in message
> ...

>> for some odd reason in the past two months i wake up with brown water at
>> least a couple times a week,
>
> Do you know what the color is from? Do you have some new decoration that
> may be leeching color?
>
> dont last long but still not want you want to
>> wake up to.
>
> I would think not. :-( The water in my tanks gets a slight yellow cast
> around water-change time.
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> Aquariums since 1952.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>
>
Not in the tank ...in my water from the house...sorry i was following up
what gill said about waking up with no water, i was just saying boy i would
much rather have none then brown, i wake up at 4am to get the kids to
school, making tea in the morning then finding out the water is brown...err
can make you mad
Nik

Koi-Lo

May 12th 06, 08:00 PM

*NOTE: There are two Koi-Lo's on this NG*

"Nikki" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I would think not. :-( The water in my tanks gets a slight yellow
>> cast around water-change time.
>> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>>
> Not in the tank ...in my water from the house...sorry i was following up
> what gill said about waking up with no water, i was just saying boy i
> would much rather have none then brown, i wake up at 4am to get the kids
> to school, making tea in the morning then finding out the water is
> brown...err can make you mad
=================
What does the your water company say is causing it? That doesn't sound too
healthy. Ugh! :þ
--
Koi-Lo....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>

Charles

May 12th 06, 08:04 PM

On Fri, 12 May 2006 13:25:46 -0400, "Nikki"
> wrote:

>
>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>> *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.
>>
>> "Nikki" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>>> for some odd reason in the past two months i wake up with brown water at
>>> least a couple times a week,
>>
>> Do you know what the color is from? Do you have some new decoration that
>> may be leeching color?
>>
>> dont last long but still not want you want to
>>> wake up to.
>>
>> I would think not. :-( The water in my tanks gets a slight yellow cast
>> around water-change time.
>> --
>> Koi-Lo....
>> Frugal ponding since 1995.
>> Aquariums since 1952.
>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>>
>>
>Not in the tank ...in my water from the house...sorry i was following up
>what gill said about waking up with no water, i was just saying boy i would
>much rather have none then brown, i wake up at 4am to get the kids to
>school, making tea in the morning then finding out the water is brown...err
>can make you mad
>Nik
>

Iron in the water. Are you on a well, or do you have a water company
providing your water. If a company, call them. It may be their
problem, or you might have a plumbing problem in the house. Iron
isn't harmful, just unpleasant, and water companies try to prevent it,
at least mine does. They may be doing some work on their system
somewhere and causing the problem.

Nikki

May 12th 06, 08:20 PM

"Charles" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 12 May 2006 13:25:46 -0400, "Nikki"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>>> *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.
>>>
>>> "Nikki" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>
>>>> for some odd reason in the past two months i wake up with brown water
>>>> at
>>>> least a couple times a week,
>>>
>>> Do you know what the color is from? Do you have some new decoration
>>> that
>>> may be leeching color?
>>>
>>> dont last long but still not want you want to
>>>> wake up to.
>>>
>>> I would think not. :-( The water in my tanks gets a slight yellow
>>> cast
>>> around water-change time.
>>> --
>>> Koi-Lo....
>>> Frugal ponding since 1995.
>>> Aquariums since 1952.
>>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>>> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>>>
>>>
>>Not in the tank ...in my water from the house...sorry i was following up
>>what gill said about waking up with no water, i was just saying boy i
>>would
>>much rather have none then brown, i wake up at 4am to get the kids to
>>school, making tea in the morning then finding out the water is
>>brown...err
>>can make you mad
>>Nik
>>
>
> Iron in the water. Are you on a well, or do you have a water company
> providing your water. If a company, call them. It may be their
> problem, or you might have a plumbing problem in the house. Iron
> isn't harmful, just unpleasant, and water companies try to prevent it,
> at least mine does. They may be doing some work on their system
> somewhere and causing the problem.

Its everyone on the block....yeah its not to nice. They usualy say its
someone working in the area, its only the cold water being the hot water
tank is full, but if you get a shower and the tank refills with brown water
you have to run the water out, makes for a high wate bill.
Last year we were filling the pool, and it happend, we had to empty the
entire pool and clean it and refill it
now that made me very mad!!
Nik

Mister Gardener

May 12th 06, 08:38 PM

On Fri, 12 May 2006 15:20:06 -0400, "Nikki"
> wrote:

>
>"Charles" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 12 May 2006 13:25:46 -0400, "Nikki"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>>>> *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.
>>>>
>>>> "Nikki" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> for some odd reason in the past two months i wake up with brown water
>>>>> at
>>>>> least a couple times a week,
>>>>
>>>> Do you know what the color is from? Do you have some new decoration
>>>> that
>>>> may be leeching color?
>>>>
>>>> dont last long but still not want you want to
>>>>> wake up to.
>>>>
>>>> I would think not. :-( The water in my tanks gets a slight yellow
>>>> cast
>>>> around water-change time.
>>>> --
>>>> Koi-Lo....
>>>> Frugal ponding since 1995.
>>>> Aquariums since 1952.
>>>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>>>> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Not in the tank ...in my water from the house...sorry i was following up
>>>what gill said about waking up with no water, i was just saying boy i
>>>would
>>>much rather have none then brown, i wake up at 4am to get the kids to
>>>school, making tea in the morning then finding out the water is
>>>brown...err
>>>can make you mad
>>>Nik
>>>
>>
>> Iron in the water. Are you on a well, or do you have a water company
>> providing your water. If a company, call them. It may be their
>> problem, or you might have a plumbing problem in the house. Iron
>> isn't harmful, just unpleasant, and water companies try to prevent it,
>> at least mine does. They may be doing some work on their system
>> somewhere and causing the problem.
>
>
>Its everyone on the block....yeah its not to nice. They usualy say its
>someone working in the area, its only the cold water being the hot water
>tank is full, but if you get a shower and the tank refills with brown water
>you have to run the water out, makes for a high wate bill.
>Last year we were filling the pool, and it happend, we had to empty the
>entire pool and clean it and refill it
>now that made me very mad!!
>Nik
>
Our tap water turns brown when the water company is doing regular
maintenance "flushing" of the system. You usually see them opening
hydrants and flooding streets while they're doing it. It's not just
iron in that water. Numerous residents began petitioning the water
company as well as the town council that contracted with the water
company - demanding reimbursement for all the clothes that were ruined
when washed in the brown stuff. The water company finally paid. And
then began posting in the local paper and on community TV what dates
the water flushing would be done and telling people to check the water
before washing clothes in it. That sort of put an end to the claims
for replacement clothing. It happens about 4 times a year.

-- Mister Gardener
-- Pull the WEED to email me

Charles

May 12th 06, 09:01 PM

On Fri, 12 May 2006 15:20:06 -0400, "Nikki"
> wrote:

>
>"Charles" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 12 May 2006 13:25:46 -0400, "Nikki"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
...
>>>> *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.
>>>>
>>>> "Nikki" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> for some odd reason in the past two months i wake up with brown water
>>>>> at
>>>>> least a couple times a week,
>>>>
>>>> Do you know what the color is from? Do you have some new decoration
>>>> that
>>>> may be leeching color?
>>>>
>>>> dont last long but still not want you want to
>>>>> wake up to.
>>>>
>>>> I would think not. :-( The water in my tanks gets a slight yellow
>>>> cast
>>>> around water-change time.
>>>> --
>>>> Koi-Lo....
>>>> Frugal ponding since 1995.
>>>> Aquariums since 1952.
>>>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
>>>> ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Not in the tank ...in my water from the house...sorry i was following up
>>>what gill said about waking up with no water, i was just saying boy i
>>>would
>>>much rather have none then brown, i wake up at 4am to get the kids to
>>>school, making tea in the morning then finding out the water is
>>>brown...err
>>>can make you mad
>>>Nik
>>>
>>
>> Iron in the water. Are you on a well, or do you have a water company
>> providing your water. If a company, call them. It may be their
>> problem, or you might have a plumbing problem in the house. Iron
>> isn't harmful, just unpleasant, and water companies try to prevent it,
>> at least mine does. They may be doing some work on their system
>> somewhere and causing the problem.
>
>
>Its everyone on the block....yeah its not to nice. They usualy say its
>someone working in the area, its only the cold water being the hot water
>tank is full, but if you get a shower and the tank refills with brown water
>you have to run the water out, makes for a high wate bill.
>Last year we were filling the pool, and it happend, we had to empty the
>entire pool and clean it and refill it
>now that made me very mad!!
>Nik
>

Complain to the water company, get the neighbors to do it as well, and
to the local government authorities. You will probably be able to get
them to do something about it, but they won't want to, it costs them
time and money.

It could also be manganese rather than iron. Same problems, it's ugly
but not unhealthful.

Larry Blanchard

May 12th 06, 10:30 PM

Gill Passman wrote:

> You are so right here....today I woke up to no running water - how
> easily we come to take having water provided straight into our homes
> on tap....My whole day had been planned around having this basic
> commodity - garden, water changes on the tanks, washing etc. etc. and
> I couldn't even get a drink out of the tap

I guess I'm lucky as far as references. I remember a visit to an aunt
and uncle in Ohio coal country back around 1950. They were very proud
that they had finally gotten indoor plumbing - a pump on the kitchen
counter next to the sink!

The toilet facilities were still the familiar old outhouse. At least it
was summer. I have a painting of a snow covered outhouse in the master
bath just to remind us what it could be like in winter:-).

And I remember waking up to a cold house and having to refire the stove
or coal furnace. In fact, when I first got married, we got a deal on
our apartment on the condition I would do that in the morning - the
landlady was getting too old to climb the stairs.

Now I complain if the air conditioning goes out :-).

--
It's turtles, all the way down